"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;2337333]I've had several interesting exchanges recently with girls about allowance. In each case, after a trip the FC, we discussed allowance. The starting point in each case was $800!! I worked hard to remain polite and respectful. Let them know that was above my budget and nothing I could support on a long term basis. We negotiated a "settlement" for the first time meeting and parted ways.

Two of the girls have come back. Saying they really enjoyed the time with me and would work with me on something we could both accept.

I'm glad I stayed composed and respectful. It has ultimately paid off. It was so tempting to tell them off, but that would have served no purpose. GPS is something that they need to cure themselves.[/QUOTE]800 per date? Per month? Curious to know what you finally settle on.

They were asking for $800 per meet. Where do they get that from? $800 goes a long way! If they can get it, they should hang on to it. Why do they need to talk to me. Total BS.

The "settlement" was $300. I apologized that we were so far apart and wished them well. One ultimately agree to $150, the other $200 which I know is high HWG standards. LOL.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2337377]800 per date? Per month? Curious to know what you finally settle on.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;2337423]They were asking for $800 per meet. Where do they get that from? $800 goes a long way! If they can get it, they should hang on to it. Why do they need to talk to me. Total BS.

The "settlement" was $300. I apologized that we were so far apart and wished them well. One ultimately agree to $150, the other $200 which I know is high HWG standards. LOL.[/QUOTE]Depends on the quality. I am actually going to raise my offer to some teen super hotties, 9's and 10's only as I am tired of losing them. They would have to be close to perfect looking by my standards. I may only get one or two bites at the apple. But I deserve a treat now and then. I will report if and when it happens.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2335332]The issues I was speaking of did not entail the SA app itself being malware, it was a general statement about Android apps and the general security issues around them. Of course, SA is not going to intentionally put malware in their app, but all it takes is one accidental misstep from the developer of the app and the door is open for other apps from non-reputable sources to do things with data from the SA app you may not want. The situation at Apple is locked down much better, that's all I meant.[/QUOTE]Actually do not want SA to have my personal info -phone number etc. I am in the category who cannot have any personally identifying information floating around even if it is secured.

Just saw this ad in SA from a 18 year old in NC:

"Well, I am going to be 100% honest and play no games. I am looking for a rich man to take care of me, spoil me and buy me any and everything I want. No exceptions, no bitching, no moaning etc. You give me what I want and you'll get what you want. I want a man whose income level exceeds $500,000 a year. I don't play games. I don't fool around. I don't want an old man either. I want a man who is within the age range of 20-45 and no older. You must be in great shape. I don't want some fat, old guy sweating all over me. I may be willing to make an exception if you look good and are in really good shape. ".

Some of these girls do not have clue. Maybe 1/10 of the top 1% earned that? She must have got a F in math.

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[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;2337532]Actually do not want SA to have my personal info -phone number etc. I am in the category who cannot have any personally identifying information floating around even if it is secured.[/QUOTE]I doubt the SA app itself would seek to retrieve that from your phone, but I'm pretty sure they would already have it from paying for a membership via credit card (unless there are alternatives I'm unaware of). I'm in the category of wanting a certain amount privacy, but not so much that I worry about anonymizing payment. In theory, someone could hack into their website and potentially publicly post names of members, but I can't think of too many reason hackers would want to do that. Maybe if SA were involved in some controversial news case and one of the hacker activist groups did not like how things were handled and decided to set out to hurt their business by exposing their customers or something like that, but it seems very unlikely. My GF knows I've been a member of so many dating sites that I'd have trouble remembering them all anyway, so if she did find out I had an SA account it wouldn't mean much in the big scheme of things. Others might have more explaining to do than I would though.

I doubt the SA app itself would seek to retrieve that from your phone, but I'm pretty sure they would already have it from paying for a membership via credit card (unless there are alternatives I'm unaware of).

I always use an untraceable "gift card" visa. Pay cash for it. Your name is never associated with the account.

[QUOTE=CaneBay;2338292]I doubt the SA app itself would seek to retrieve that from your phone, but I'm pretty sure they would already have it from paying for a membership via credit card (unless there are alternatives I'm unaware of).

I always use an untraceable "gift card" visa. Pay cash for it. Your name is never associated with the account.[/QUOTE]Good to know. I haven't used those gift cards much, many of the ones I've seen require you to register the card before using it (tying your name to it), because most web sites will validate the name of the card owner against the card number and even phone number (so without that association, buying options would be limited).

But, I guess you're saying SA lets you put in a CC and no name? It would be good business for them so it makes sense if so.

I expect there will be many more of these drive-by assaults from SBs in coming days.

One way or another, it is not a good thing for SDs to share too much here.

Think about what this means whenever you post. If you post a particular tip, technique or strategy that has worked well for you while "playing the game", its value is now diminished due to the fact that the other side will now know your modus operandi.

I personally try to focus on sharing ideas that I think will help the cause of SDs, without giving any on-looking SBs any insight into how I do things. For example when I speak of cyber-security issues or whatever -- it's information that can help both sides, really, there's no ill effect of them reading that information. However if I posted something that gives me the competitive edge when it comes to getting them into the FC (which you may notice, I almost never reveal my tricks of the trade), the tactic would get its value diminished via word of mouth / social networking et al.

So, always keep in mind they are watching. Just be careful about posting too much information.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2338392]I expect there will be many more of these drive-by assaults from SBs in coming days.

One way or another, it is not a good thing for SDs to share too much here
So, always keep in mind they are watching. Just be careful about posting too much information.[/QUOTE]One option is to set up a closed, invitation only circle while still using this forum for general matters. I like USASG and all it has to offer users across the nation. But intimate details could be shared in private. At the moment there are probably only 20 contributors active.

And any oldie but goodie guys could easily come back in. I appreciate the new contributors and want their input but they would have to achieve senior status to be considered for the private circle. Details are important and should be shared safely among the faithful.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2338509]One option is to set up a closed, invitation only circle while still using this forum for general matters. I like USASG and all it has to offer users across the nation. But intimate details could be shared in private. At the moment there are probably only 20 contributors active.

And any oldie but goodie guys could easily come back in. I appreciate the new contributors and want their input but they would have to achieve senior status to be considered for the private circle. Details are important and should be shared safely among the faithful.[/QUOTE]Anything that reduces the amount of food crumbs on the floor will reduce the insect infestation. LOL. So in that light, if folks feel compelled to share lots of details, I agree it should be done privately. A reduction in juicy details posted here would reduce the amount of prying eyes.

However, even the inner circle approach comes with its own set of drawbacks:

First, the sugar scene is going to get discussed here at USASG one way or another. If the senior regulars here fade away into secrecy, it will only be a matter of weeks before new threads crop up (or newcomers begin posting here), re-inventing the wheel with their own terminology or ways of discussing things. Then it's only a matter of time before it's back to square one, except the new generation of posters will have not benefitted from the lessons learned here about oversharing.

Second, I've been a part of many "private group" spinoffs over the last 25 years or so, going back even back in the days of AOL, prodigy, and similar services, it was quite common to see discussions on public forums spin off into private forums or email lists (not necessarily just for sexual topics but any topic that seemed to be getting unwanted public attention / participation or troll activity). The problem that tends to occur is the "inbred" syndrome. A small handful of folks tends to discuss matters among themselves, without benefitting from the influx of new perspectives. The original members were hand selected based on some criteria, and there is rarely a reasonable path to recruiting new members. If senior status here at USASG or number of posts is used as a criteria, there is nothing stopping an SB posing as an SD from eventually being invited to the group. Then there would be those who are uninterested in the private group and would just keep doing what they're doing. I fall into that category, I tend to prefer to continue posting here in this thread, perhaps occasionally offering suggestions on keeping a reasonable level of discretion, because I feel that contributes to the overall hobby of SDing more than swapping info in private.

I say all this not to discourage the private group for those who want to partake (in fact if I'm not mistaken this is already going on?) And, if lots of identifiable details absolutely must be posted, as mentioned they are better off posted in private (whether that's an e-mail group or private inbox or whatever).

But I'd hate to see the private group act as a vacuum, and start to see level of participation here in this thread dwindle to the point where the senior folks are all huddling in private, and a group of newbies comes in and has to start the learn from mistakes process all over again from the beginning.

Overall, I believe it is better to continue the public traffic, but to use good judgment /discretion on what to post and when details must be posted, mix them up a little bit to change the characteristics of the situation such as not to reveal too much.

Got called out by my two remaining sbs. Looks like they have been reading. According to one of the two, she went out a member of the forum or lurker, who took her out on a "proper date", but was clearly using the information I posted to assist his game and then directed her to my post.

I wanted to point out to her that he had to be a reader of the site if he knew about my post, but decided it wasn't worth it.

Looks like my descriptions in my Dec report were so useful, I helped myself lose all five of my sbs.

I got an earful from that particular sb with threats to post my pics online.

Back to the drawing board. Seniors and trusted members can pm me, but this will be my last post. Besides Gps is rampant out there. May just take a break from the lifestyle entirely, until the next holiday season.

[QUOTE=IluvSmellyFish;2338638]Got called out by my two remaining sbs. Looks like they have been reading. According to one of the two, she went out a member of the forum or lurker, who took her out on a "proper date", but was clearly using the information I posted to assist his game and then directed her to my post.[/QUOTE]This is exactly the risk I posted about in post #8120, item #5. It is also the reason that private groups do not solve the problem. Anything you share, even if it is with a brother you believe you can trust, may inadvertently end up being shared in ways you cannot foresee.