Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

[QUOTE=HarryHobbiest;3206673]As mentioned on my Octagon post earlier today here:

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?9626-Rants-Raves-and-Opinions-AKA-quot-The-Octagon-quot&p=3206156&viewfull=1[/URL]#post3206156.

I'm not trying to start a witch hunt. Instead, I'm trying to keep my board brethren safe and alive as it's now really about our own personal safety.

Interestingly, I've already received PM's from hobbyists with SP names. So, I've decided not to post my own personal observations right now. Instead, as a service to my fellow hobbyists I will post provider names as supplied by you guys via PM. But I won't name your names. That way, the Admins on this site will be able to confirm all I'm doing is relaying received reports from the team via PM.

So, you know a provider who's using but you don't want to report it? PM me and I'll do it for you but I won't report your name. This is not to hurt the SP's (though I know it might do just that). It's to help protect our team.

So far, here are the known H users as PM'd to me from other hobbyists on this board so far:

Kly30.

Blonde kitty.

Brooklyn marie.

Harry.[/QUOTE]You can't say if someone was arrested or convicted on a drug charge based on a public record. But if you get information in a private message from an anonymous guy on a message board, that's good for proving that someone is using, right?

[QUOTE=Kenal1;3207253]I agree that this site shouldn't go overboard with speculation about girls who are into drugs and those that aren't. After all, as Gatty23 points out, the main purpose of this site is to share PERFORMANCE reviews. But even if a girl is using these things and her performance is still good, there's still the issue of SAFETY, as Gatty23 also points out. On that issue I feel we owe it to other mongers to point it out if it's OBVIOUS that a provider is using. No, he shouldn't speculate or spread rumors but if someone is a heavy user then, in my opinion, it adds to the safety concerns because it raises the risks of being scammed, robbed, etc. It's no secret that crimes of robbery, break-ins, etc. , have increased steadily over the years largely due to people stealing and robbing to raise drug money, and that puts us hobbyists in more danger. Yes, performance and safety is what it's all about, but I think safety comes first. Is there anyone reading this who doesn't care if they get robbed or busted in some ugly situation?[/QUOTE]You can make all the list you want but just basic human nature is going to work against most. When the P word comes into play mongers lose all sense of reasoning. As long as a provider is giving great to average service most mongers don't care. They only care about the service. You can see a provider for a long time before you start to see tell tale signs. The average monger can get bad service, be treated like shit, give a bad review and at end say he will probably repeat LOL. A girl can hide it for along time the same as doing bb. If they drop their price that's all that matters to most and will continue to have customers all the way back to the street corner. You talk about safety but you roll the dice every time you see a provider. You run the risk of disease, being busted to losing your family or job. List are fine and dandy but very few are going to pay heed to it. Basic human nature when it comes to P. The only true way to stay safe is give up the hobby but wait, all this can happen to ya in civy life if your at the wrong place at right time. JMHO.

Some of you guys are such drama queens.

Look its easy, just like anything else, consider the source and the subject.

Chick A has great reports by long time members, then suddenly some guy, out of the blue says "She's on H" nobody else follows up with "Yeah I was kinda noticing that her behavior has changed" just one guy who suddenly is talking smack. What does that mean? It means he probably wanted to stick his uncovered dick up her ass and she said no.

Chick B, used to have great reports, lately she has been slipping some and some guy says "I think she has some track marks, I'm not sure but they kind of looked like that" and some other guys say "yeah, she was calling somebody as soon as she got the money" or whatever. What does that mean? It probably means that something is up.

Some of you guys act like if it's written here then it becomes truth which is fucking weird because they are usually the same guys that will go on for days calling somebodies report BS.

Read, compare, evaluate, make informed choices.

A2.

Based on what criteria what definition H users? And an anonymous post or remark is acceptable?

Interesting.

[QUOTE=Lugnutz;3207603]You can't say if someone was arrested or convicted on a drug charge based on a public record. But if you get information in a private message from an anonymous guy on a message board, that's good for proving that someone is using, right?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Lugnutz;3207603]You can't say if someone was arrested or convicted on a drug charge based on a public record. But if you get information in a private message from an anonymous guy on a message board, that's good for proving that someone is using, right?[/QUOTE]The problem with discussing arrest records is that it will lead to outing the provider's identity.

Saying a lady uses H or any other substance would be done using the lady's work name, which doesn't out her real identity.

[QUOTE=HarryHobbiest;3207503]I completely agree with with nearly everyone's points about reasons why NOT to begin posting H user names when the H problem is historically nothing new. But what IS new within the past half-decade or so is the following:

What is different about the H epidemic now than 100 years ago?

A- price has never been lower.

B- supply has never been higher.

C- legally prescribed opiates are significantly tighter now than ever so addicted pill seekers for whatever reason turn to street H instead because doctors are no longer prescribing (much less refilling) as casually as they clearly used to do less than a decade ago.

And the last two points here are the most important IMHO:

D- potency has never been stronger.

E- potency is now enhanced uncontrollably with additives such as Fentanyl (which BTW don't even react to rescue cocktails such as Narcan so people still die).

Outing SP's because of suspected STD's is not permitted on this board for whatever reasons the owner / Admin of this board has chosen. My guess is it is primarily because of two reasons: we cannot prove STDs and we can (at least try to) protect ourselves with condoms. Outing SP's because of suspected H use is permitted and I believe it is smart because we cannot protect ourselves from the escalated potential of consequences some of us would prefer to avoid as a result of such knowledge and there is no "condom" to put on to protect us against unknowingly visiting an H user other than advance knowledge.

This idea is NOT about outing user SPs simply for the sake of outing them.

THIS IS ABOUT KEEPING OURSELVES SAFE BECAUSE KNOWLEDGE YIELDS SAFETY. This board is precisely about sharing knowledge. Sharing such knowledge among ourselves about H users provides those of us who wish to play "SAFEST" better safety choices. Simple.

Yes, the H epidemic has always been around. It has simply NEVER been more dangerous to us. Just as we report asshole pimps waiting to pounce from another room at a strange incall to help others be "SAFER," how can it not be our obligation to report an H user when such new dangers exist that newly compromise our safety like never before?

I VOTE FOR SAFETY GENTLEMEN. I believe choosing not to report H users means you're choosing against those of us who seek information to keep ourselves safer. It's the same as having had a gun pulled on you at an incall and not reporting it here IMHO.

Harry.[/QUOTE]I agree that if a lady has a major problem yes report it, we've been doing that, but one thing I'm not going to be is the morality police. And I'm sorry that's what it seems like you are trying to do. As I stated before drugs have always been a part of prostitution, how many girls would post on this site or backpage if it wasn't for drugs. Not many girls would willingly fuck strangers for money without the incentive of getting their drug of choice. I would never give a good review on a lady that was an obvious heroin addict or posed a health risk to myself or potentially anybody on this board. And just because you out a lady who is on heroin or you choose to not see her doesn't mean nobody will see her. As they say one monkey don't stop no show, I think you're making more of this than should be made you can't save the world. HL29.

Boo radley your inbox is full.

So I'm hearing from several members one provider in particular is sending unsolicited text begging for money its real simple don't do stuff that would keep mongers from seeing you sending text unsolicited is unnecessary and unwanted besides the fact that you could put said mongers in jeopardy of wife finding out or any other numbers of events could transpire if you made a good impression and were about it they will reach out to you seriously lets keep each other safe and just have fun happy new years I wish you all awesomeness and happiness love silky.

[QUOTE=SilkyWetness;3209627]So I'm hearing from several members one provider in particular is sending unsolicited text begging for money its real simple don't do stuff that would keep mongers from seeing you sending text unsolicited is unnecessary and unwanted besides the fact that you could put said mongers in jeopardy of wife finding out or any other numbers of events could transpire if you made a good impression and were about it they will reach out to you seriously lets keep each other safe and just have fun happy new years I wish you all awesomeness and happiness love silky.[/QUOTE]Pm is always welcome tho. Happy New Year! Be safe too.

I for one have thought for a long time that there should be an open season, no bag limit on H dealers. I know that drug addictions provide a greater number of girls available for us mongers, but I for one will not see a girl that is providing support to a cartel. I would though provide a. 308 for her supplier.

I was going to use the occasion of my 1000th post as a review, but the stars did not align as the provider I was supposed to see wanted to push the time to 1 1/2 after our scheduled appointment, and my schedule would not permit it.

Instead, let me take the opportunity to make it my HAPPY NEW YEAR post! 1000th post and last of 2016.

Have a good year ahead of us, ladies and gentlemen. My advice from this old dog, don't get too hung up on one specific pussy. If you get no response, move on. It will save you from having a bad day and allow youself to enjoy someone else.

[QUOTE=DNut;3209866]I was going to use the occasion of my 1000th post as a review, but the stars did not align as the provider I was supposed to see wanted to push the time to 1 1/2 after our scheduled appointment, and my schedule would not permit it.

Instead, let me take the opportunity to make it my HAPPY NEW YEAR post! 1000th post and last of 2016.

Have a good year ahead of us, ladies and gentlemen. My advice from this old dog, don't get too hung up on one specific pussy. If you get no response, move on. It will save you from having a bad day and allow youself to enjoy someone else.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the advice. Life is too short plus verity seems to be the spice of life!

Let's make this the best year EVER!! We can all stick together and keep each safe! Love you guys. Thank you for a great 2016 and now onto the new year 2017!!

Always,

Velvet Rayne.

[QUOTE=SilkyWetness;3208887]Boo radley your inbox is full.[/QUOTE]Empty now. Thank you for the heads up.

And Happy New Year Silky!! Boo.

Been a long ride over 3 decades and so many changes and with the seeming outbreak of losses of old friends and mongers it is time to reassess the continuation process. There are a number of good ladies out there still but the numbers are diminishing at an alarming rate either through drugs, just leaving the hobby or disappearing.

The number of clients who continue to see ladies using and abusing is alarming compared to the way it used to be.

For me it has become borderline crazy to continue wondering who is and who is not safe anymore. I love ladies who love to get busy but.

The main concern for me is who have they been doing who have been with guys who still continue to do ladies who are using.

I appreciate the friends I have made and the intell I have received from well-meaning guys but the more one reads about who is doing who.

And who have they been with one has to step back and take a deep breath and evaluate the risk vs good s*x factor.

Let me make it abundantly clear I am NO ANGEL and not making any judgements about any lady or man, only concerned for my personal health and safety and that of others I respect and worry about, who have special meaning for me.

WIth that said have a good NEW YEAR and remember those we know who have left us and give thanks to those who we know who have or are trying their best to beat this and move on to better things. To Jackson and A2 thanks for all you do everyday to monitor and give us options and for moderating the boards. You guys do a hell of a good job for all those you watch over and help. Kisses to the ladies and best wishes. BMack.