Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

[QUOTE=HarryHobbiest;3206156]A QUESTION FOR Jackson AND A2, please:

So, assuming I know as having been told by the SP herself, will we board members be violating board rules by offering to share via PM provider names we know are H users?

I'm not trying to start a witch hunt. I'm trying to keep my board brethren safe and alive and no longer be a contributor to a known H user's problem. Why now? Actually a selfish reason: Aside from no longer wanting to support an SP's H habit, it's now really about my own personal safety.

What may I and what may I not say via PM to other board members about H users?

Harry.[/QUOTE][BLUE]You won't find anywhere in the rules where it says you're not allowed to talk about drug use among providers. If you see needle tracks or other signs of drug abuse post it.

In the future since you're not moderated if you want to ask a question you should PM me. Unless somebody who is moderated quotes your post I don't see it.

A2[/BLUE]

[QUOTE=HuntLadys29;3206343]I just had a guy pm me with zero post asking information on a certain provider that has been on here for at 5 years all you have to do is google her name and all you need to know is there. But this guy pms me. I didn't know the name so I checked his posts nothing at all. So suspicious as I am I refused to give him any information oh I forgot this guy even requested a read receipt. I just suspected police or the guy has a nefarious agenda. I wasn't very friendly in my reply as a matter of fact I used some very sharp adjectives at this guy. I will send the provider in question a text to be wary be safe guys. HL29.[/QUOTE]I was made aware and totally appreciate the heads up.

As mentioned on my Octagon post earlier today here:

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?9626-Rants-Raves-and-Opinions-AKA-quot-The-Octagon-quot&p=3206156&viewfull=1[/URL]#post3206156.

I'm not trying to start a witch hunt. Instead, I'm trying to keep my board brethren safe and alive as it's now really about our own personal safety.

Interestingly, I've already received PM's from hobbyists with SP names. So, I've decided not to post my own personal observations right now. Instead, as a service to my fellow hobbyists I will post provider names as supplied by you guys via PM. But I won't name your names. That way, the Admins on this site will be able to confirm all I'm doing is relaying received reports from the team via PM.

So, you know a provider who's using but you don't want to report it? PM me and I'll do it for you but I won't report your name. This is not to hurt the SP's (though I know it might do just that). It's to help protect our team.

So far, here are the known H users as PM'd to me from other hobbyists on this board so far:

Kly30.

Blonde kitty.

Brooklyn marie.

Harry.

[QUOTE=Admin2;3206546][BLUE]You won't find anywhere in the rules where it says you're not allowed to talk about drug use among providers. If you see needle tracks or other signs of drug abuse post it.

In the future since you're not moderated if you want to ask a question you should PM me. Unless somebody who is moderated quotes your post I don't see it.

A2[/BLUE][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DNut;3206465]I had the opposite problem. Some guy with 5 posts (4 of which were ISO posts seeking a cockhold fantasy), PMed me, telling me he was so-and-so's boyfriend and asked that I STOP seeing her; she happens to be someone I enjoy seeing and have done so multiple times.

Not going to happen unless she asks me to stop patronizing her because I enjoy time with her and I don't know him from Adam so my loyalties are to her and me.

Of course I told her about it next time I saw her and she basically said she had no idea who he was. Then we fucked again and loved it.[/QUOTE]I would see her more if someone tried that crap with me and put more effort into it!

Might it be easier to have a thread or post that lists the ones that AREN'T on H?

[QUOTE=HarryHobbiest;3206673]As mentioned on my Octagon post earlier today here:

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?9626-Rants-Raves-and-Opinions-AKA-quot-The-Octagon-quot&p=3206156&viewfull=1[/URL]#post3206156.

I'm not trying to start a witch hunt. Instead, I'm trying to keep my board brethren safe and alive as it's now really about our own personal safety.

Interestingly, I've already received PM's from hobbyists with SP names. So, I've decided not to post my own personal observations right now. Instead, as a service to my fellow hobbyists I will post provider names as supplied by you guys via PM. But I won't name your names. That way, the Admins on this site will be able to confirm all I'm doing is relaying received reports from the team via PM.

So, you know a provider who's using but you don't want to report it? PM me and I'll do it for you but I won't report your name. This is not to hurt the SP's (though I know it might do just that). It's to help protect our team.

So far, here are the known H users as PM'd to me from other hobbyists on this board so far:

Kly30.

Blonde kitty.

Brooklyn marie.

Harry.[/QUOTE].

If there are some, then this is definitely recommended.

A thread for ones that are, and a thread for ones that aren't. That would be how I'd do it.

[QUOTE=RogerOver;3206799]Might it be easier to have a thread or post that lists the ones that AREN'T on H?

.[/QUOTE]

I notice that Harry's name is on the H user list. That's how easy it is for somebody to screw up and ruin a reputation. So should we also start listing the pill users, crackheads, coke users, meth-heads, and drunks? I don't think that a girl's performance is necessarily related to drug use. There are way too many other variables to consider. Let's stick to SAFETY and PERFORMANCE issues.

[QUOTE=Gatty23;3206832]I notice that Harry's name is on the H user list. That's how easy it is for somebody to screw up and ruin a reputation. So should we also start listing the pill users, crackheads, coke users, meth-heads, and drunks? I don't think that a girl's performance is necessarily related to drug use. There are way too many other variables to consider. Let's stick to SAFETY and PERFORMANCE issues.[/QUOTE]Let's not act like heroin just appeared heroin has been around forever in the 1800's it was widely used by prostitutes after the turn of century all the way up to now. I remember being in the navy in 1979 I met a prostitute in Savannah Georgia she shot up before we did the deed John Belushi died of a heroin coke speed ball combination Etta James Miles Davis the list goes on we're all heroin addicts. I'm not insensitive to these ladies drug problem but us starting a new thread to name known drug users isn't going to stop these ladies from using and overdosing. Experts are stumped the more education and warnings and rehabs they put out and open they still have relapse first time users and continued use. If it's a personal choice not to see the ladies that use heroin then that's fine, if you want to put in your review that a girl has an addiction problem that's ok to, but to open a thread that only has girls that use is beyond what I think this forum is about. JMHO. HL29.

[QUOTE=HuntLadys29;3206956]Let's not act like heroin just appeared heroin has been around forever in the 1800's it was widely used by prostitutes after the turn of century all the way up to now. I remember being in the navy in 1979 I met a prostitute in Savannah Georgia she shot up before we did the deed John Belushi died of a heroin coke speed ball combination Etta James Miles Davis the list goes on we're all heroin addicts. I'm not insensitive to these ladies drug problem but us starting a new thread to name known drug users isn't going to stop these ladies from using and overdosing. Experts are stumped the more education and warnings and rehabs they put out and open they still have relapse first time users and continued use. If it's a personal choice not to see the ladies that use heroin then that's fine, if you want to put in your review that a girl has an addiction problem that's ok to, but to open a thread that only has girls that use is beyond what I think this forum is about. JMHO. HL29.[/QUOTE]I agree. That shit can be called out in the reviews. Quick question for you though: Would you say things are worse today than they were a few years ago due to H? I think so.

[QUOTE=RogerOver;3207011]I agree. That shit can be called out in the reviews. Quick question for you though: Would you say things are worse today than they were a few years ago due to H? I think so.[/QUOTE]Call it out in your Review, IF it made a difference in her performance or appearance. Unless the lady tells you implicitly that she is "riding the Horse. " DON'T speculate.

We do not need a "USASG Witch Hunt. " The woman you damn today, COULD be the "Hooker with a Heart of Gold and Clean as the Day She Was Born" tomorrow.

"There but for the Grace of God Go I. " is a phrase I use almost every day. At one time in my life some would have called me an alcoholic. I drank way too much and many nights I should have been arrested for DUI. Thank the Lord I was never caught and I never hurt anyone except myself. Today I am not the same man. If I would have been put on a "Drunk List" on the internet, that would live with me the rest of my life. People change, in this case we all hope and pray they do, but until you have proof positive, don't spread gossip or rumor.

[QUOTE=RogerOver;3207011]I agree. That shit can be called out in the reviews. Quick question for you though: Would you say things are worse today than they were a few years ago due to H? I think so.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure there has been an increase in overall opioid use, but I have seen statistics that show an increase in H use that coincides with the crack down on so called "pill mills" and access to prescription pain meds.

[QUOTE=RogerOver;3207011]I agree. That shit can be called out in the reviews. Quick question for you though: Would you say things are worse today than they were a few years ago due to H? I think so.[/QUOTE]It has definitely gotten worse I think the reasons there is so much talk about it is the fact people are dying because of the bad shit the dealers are cutting it with along with the heroin itself being so potent. Also and people might not like this but young white America is hooked and hooked bad rural and suburban. And they don't know how to stop or prevent it the epidemic seems to have grown legs and running wild no matter what. Go thru jailtracker and look what the white females are charged with compared to black females most white females have drug charges alcohol heroin cocaine or charges related prostitution parfanalia or some kind of theft. Black females have a lot of violent crimes assaults domestic violence robbery etc. In the 60's heroin effected the black communities especially in large cities not so much here, in the 90's it was crack cocaine that robbed the black community of its senses. In the 60's hallucinogenic drugs were the rage in the white community. These things run in cycles and I'm sure the next generation will distain the use of heroin I see it already. HL29.

[QUOTE=Gatty23;3206832]I notice that Harry's name is on the H user list. That's how easy it is for somebody to screw up and ruin a reputation. So should we also start listing the pill users, crackheads, coke users, meth-heads, and drunks? I don't think that a girl's performance is necessarily related to drug use. There are way too many other variables to consider. Let's stick to SAFETY and PERFORMANCE issues.[/QUOTE]I agree that this site shouldn't go overboard with speculation about girls who are into drugs and those that aren't. After all, as Gatty23 points out, the main purpose of this site is to share PERFORMANCE reviews. But even if a girl is using these things and her performance is still good, there's still the issue of SAFETY, as Gatty23 also points out. On that issue I feel we owe it to other mongers to point it out if it's OBVIOUS that a provider is using. No, he shouldn't speculate or spread rumors but if someone is a heavy user then, in my opinion, it adds to the safety concerns because it raises the risks of being scammed, robbed, etc. It's no secret that crimes of robbery, break-ins, etc. , have increased steadily over the years largely due to people stealing and robbing to raise drug money, and that puts us hobbyists in more danger. Yes, performance and safety is what it's all about, but I think safety comes first. Is there anyone reading this who doesn't care if they get robbed or busted in some ugly situation?

What's to stop a pissed off monger who had a perceived bad service claim she is on H and you post it? I would rather see your confirmed list then a rumor list from second hand info that may or may not be correct.

[QUOTE=HarryHobbiest;3206673]As mentioned on my Octagon post earlier today here:

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?9626-Rants-Raves-and-Opinions-AKA-quot-The-Octagon-quot&p=3206156&viewfull=1[/URL]#post3206156.

I'm not trying to start a witch hunt. Instead, I'm trying to keep my board brethren safe and alive as it's now really about our own personal safety.

Interestingly, I've already received PM's from hobbyists with SP names. So, I've decided not to post my own personal observations right now. Instead, as a service to my fellow hobbyists I will post provider names as supplied by you guys via PM. But I won't name your names. That way, the Admins on this site will be able to confirm all I'm doing is relaying received reports from the team via PM.

So, you know a provider who's using but you don't want to report it? PM me and I'll do it for you but I won't report your name. This is not to hurt the SP's (though I know it might do just that). It's to help protect our team.

So far, here are the known H users as PM'd to me from other hobbyists on this board so far:

Kly30.

Blonde kitty.

Brooklyn marie.

Harry.[/QUOTE]

I completely agree with with nearly everyone's points about reasons why NOT to begin posting H user names when the H problem is historically nothing new. But what IS new within the past half-decade or so is the following:

What is different about the H epidemic now than 100 years ago?

A- price has never been lower.

B- supply has never been higher.

C- legally prescribed opiates are significantly tighter now than ever so addicted pill seekers for whatever reason turn to street H instead because doctors are no longer prescribing (much less refilling) as casually as they clearly used to do less than a decade ago.

And the last two points here are the most important IMHO:

D- potency has never been stronger.

E- potency is now enhanced uncontrollably with additives such as Fentanyl (which BTW don't even react to rescue cocktails such as Narcan so people still die).

Outing SP's because of suspected STD's is not permitted on this board for whatever reasons the owner / Admin of this board has chosen. My guess is it is primarily because of two reasons: we cannot prove STDs and we can (at least try to) protect ourselves with condoms. Outing SP's because of suspected H use is permitted and I believe it is smart because we cannot protect ourselves from the escalated potential of consequences some of us would prefer to avoid as a result of such knowledge and there is no "condom" to put on to protect us against unknowingly visiting an H user other than advance knowledge.

This idea is NOT about outing user SPs simply for the sake of outing them.

THIS IS ABOUT KEEPING OURSELVES SAFE BECAUSE KNOWLEDGE YIELDS SAFETY. This board is precisely about sharing knowledge. Sharing such knowledge among ourselves about H users provides those of us who wish to play "SAFEST" better safety choices. Simple.

Yes, the H epidemic has always been around. It has simply NEVER been more dangerous to us. Just as we report asshole pimps waiting to pounce from another room at a strange incall to help others be "SAFER," how can it not be our obligation to report an H user when such new dangers exist that newly compromise our safety like never before?

I VOTE FOR SAFETY GENTLEMEN. I believe choosing not to report H users means you're choosing against those of us who seek information to keep ourselves safer. It's the same as having had a gun pulled on you at an incall and not reporting it here IMHO.

Harry.