The Prickyard

[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;2942658]Your good friend Lorelei Nixie the psycho provider from Bloomington made it a personal vendetta to make sure that one member of the SP8 didn't get a diversion program like everyone else did. She supplied the prosecutor with e-mails from the monger showing his real identity on the boards from discussions contained in private e-mails. This gave the prosecutor leverage to not offer him a diversion program so he ended up taking a guilty plea instead of trying to fight it. Now everyone knows the whole story, thanks to Lorelei. And Yes he could have fought it and yes it was postings from multiple boards and yes maybe he had a bad lawyer, but it still was because of the psycho Lorelei.[/QUOTE]And this is why I, as well as many others, stopped seeing Lorelei. When all this hit the fan she was pretty much shunned around here. In fact, I had a provider (I think it was Cate) tell me that she wouldn't see anybody that continued to see Lorelei. This just proves the value of sharing intel on these boards. I had several dreams with Lorelei and had no idea she was capable of flipping like that.

[QUOTE=Sara8032;2942731]I did a Facebook search of this officer and this was the first thing that came up:

Sexual Temptation by Law Enforcement is Not Entrapment.

When undercover police officers, like Detective Tabatha McLemore, catch people trying to solicit the services of a prostitute, they do it by pretending to be prostitutes themselves. They stand on street corners, take long looks at passing cars, and even waive at those that look back. When a vehicle stops, the exchange is fairly standard between the individual soliciting and the undercover officer. The individuals who stops rarely wants to be the first person to bring up the topic of sex, so the undercover police officer is usually the first to bring up the topic directly (presumably so the body-wire that she's wearing can record the transaction). The question that divided the Indiana Supreme Court recently was: does this practice constitute unlawful police entrapment?

When police induce an individual to commit a criminal offense, the burden of proof is then placed on the State of Indiana to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the individual was predisposed to commit the crime in the first place. This is to prove that law enforcement's actions were not the cause of the criminal behavior. In Griesemer v. State of Indiana, the majority of the Indiana Supreme Court held that mere temptation to commit a crime was not inducement. Focusing more what would happen if it held otherwise, the majority stated: "if we were to find entrapment on these facts, we would effectively put an end to prostitution stings. We are not willing to so limit the activity of undercover officers to the detriment of safety and quality of life in many neighborhoods. " Justice Rucker, in his dissent, took issue with the fact that Detective McLemore was the first person to mention money, the first to mention performance of a sex act, and the first to mention trading a sex act for money. In so doing, the dissent pointed out that the State of Indiana has the burden of showing the defendant's predisposition to commit the offense, and it failed. Now, the question has become: what is required to turn a temptation into an inducement?[/QUOTE]For what it's worth, this was pulled from a lawyer 's fb page. Hopefully none of us will require his services.

Dave.

[QUOTE=LancePkrbttm;2942901]I had no idea. I did find her obituary. There is no doubt. She passed last year. RIP Pie, you were my friend.[/QUOTE]This makes me sad. She was polarizing, opinionated, never afraid to speak her mind, and possibly had more detractors than fans. But she was a fascinating person, passionate, and honest.

[QUOTE=FreeWilly46;2943020]This makes me sad. She was polarizing, opinionated, never afraid to speak her mind, and possibly had more detractors than fans. But she was a fascinating person, passionate, and honest.[/QUOTE]She is quite possibly the only person in the Hobby that I ever really knew. She was smart, funny, charismatic, candid and generally a good person. Life was not very kind to her in my opinion but you would not see that reflected in the way she carries herself. Wishing now that I had stayed in contact. You never know when the opportunity is going to be gone forever.

[QUOTE=FreeWilly46;2942942]And this is why I, as well as many others, stopped seeing Lorelei. When all this hit the fan she was pretty much shunned around here. In fact, I had a provider (I think it was Cate) tell me that she wouldn't see anybody that continued to see Lorelei. This just proves the value of sharing intel on these boards. I had several dreams with Lorelei and had no idea she was capable of flipping like that.[/QUOTE]I hate to be an I told you so kind of person, but. I knew she was bat shit crazy before the rest of you and I caught shit by many white knights for calling her out on it.

[QUOTE=FreeWilly46;2943020]This makes me sad. She was polarizing, opinionated, never afraid to speak her mind, and possibly had more detractors than fans. But she was a fascinating person, passionate, and honest.[/QUOTE]Yes, Pie was very unique, she wasn't my cup of tea as far as body type, but I fell in love with her mind and personality. The last I seen her was just after her troubles with our uncle, we had dinner at some dive diner in Fountaintown, I gave her some financial assistance for her legal troubles, I;m sure we communicated after that, but that's the last I remember.

[QUOTE=Ilapp;2943481] A Little Clarification: There will be no names given, I know the lady in question and she is in no trouble and clean of it all... and I know a lady whom he gave up her name and info.... so she is not an issue either. The problem here is the sissy monger boy who tossed others under the bus. The ladies will not give up his real name or handle or anything else.... So, if I wanted to give out his name I couldn't and they won't.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MSkeme;2943872]Is this a recent tale that we need to worry about?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nimda2;2943173]You told us there is a problem and risk associated with someone on this board. Are you going to tell us who the "little sissy" is or at least give us some indication of who to stay away from? [/QUOTE]Ok Curiosity is going to kill the cat on this one. Ilapp said names of the providers will not be given out and the name of Sissy Monger is not known. Don't you understand these words that he wrote or are some of you illiterate?

Point 1 The ladies are safe and have not helped LE so no worries about the ladies.

Point 2 The Sissy Monger is unknown but LE did not keep any of his info on his phone or his phone. They wanted him to be an informant. Who is he going to inform on? Most likely nobody and certainly not mongers. I'm sure we all wish we knew who the monger is but we don't so you have to go to point 3.

Point 3 This is a tricky hobby and risk is assessed at every call. So start assessing it more carefully now that a Sissy could be out there maybe helping LE but our sources say he isn't. Hell some of you guys see H addicts without fully assessing the risks of thugs, BF's, robbery, scams, etc. This risk is much lower than any of those risks. So take your own personal assessment and move on.

If more is known about the sissy boy then everyone will be advised. Time to move on. If you don't like it then be a prick on this yard, but we are done with addressing this in the escort section.

[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;2944268]Ok Curiosity is going to kill the cat on this one. Ilapp said names of the providers will not be given out and the name of Sissy Monger is not known. Don't you understand these words that he wrote or are some of you illiterate?

Point 1 The ladies are safe and have not helped LE so no worries about the ladies.

Point 2 The Sissy Monger is unknown but LE did not keep any of his info on his phone or his phone. They wanted him to be an informant. Who is he going to inform on? Most likely nobody and certainly not mongers. I'm sure we all wish we knew who the monger is but we don't so you have to go to point 3.

Point 3 This is a tricky hobby and risk is assessed at every call. So start assessing it more carefully now that a Sissy could be out there maybe helping LE but our sources say he isn't. Hell some of you guys see H addicts without fully assessing the risks of thugs, BF's, robbery, scams, etc. This risk is much lower than any of those risks. So take your own personal assessment and move on.

If more is known about the sissy boy then everyone will be advised. Time to move on. If you don't like it then be a prick on this yard, but we are done with addressing this in the escort section.[/QUOTE]Fair points, FF. But I'd always prefer to know who's working with LE so as not to be complicit in their attempts to set people up. And I'm talking about sissy boy, here.

The providers. I think a lot of guys get freaked when they hear a provider has been visited and think somehow just a visit is a scarlet letter, but they have to deal with this sort of thing all the time. I'm only worried about knowing them if they are compromised to the point of working with LE. If they are not, then so be it. The overly curious car wreck watcher in me wants to know, but it's really not that important given they're not in trouble and they're all constantly under LE scrutiny.

[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;2942658]Your good friend Lorelei Nixie the psycho provider from Bloomington made it a personal vendetta to make sure that one member of the SP8 didn't get a diversion program like everyone else did. She supplied the prosecutor with e-mails from the monger showing his real identity on the boards from discussions contained in private e-mails. This gave the prosecutor leverage to not offer him a diversion program so he ended up taking a guilty plea instead of trying to fight it. Now everyone knows the whole story, thanks to Lorelei. And Yes he could have fought it and yes it was postings from multiple boards and yes maybe he had a bad lawyer, but it still was because of the psycho Lorelei.[/QUOTE]

Her name translated =

(C).

(U).

(N) ext.

(T) uesday.

Oh my. Ilapp is about to blow a gasket a couple blocks from here.

I knew that nuclear bomb shelter my parents built in the 70's would one day prove to be useful.

Oh look!! There's even Spam and Cheeze Nips down here!! Might be room for a few more of you, but keep your hands off my AM radio.

I am sitting here thinking about all the newbie dweebs over in the escort thread fretting about who I was talking about. I can just see them going back through 1300+posts trying to decipher who it might be. Good fricking luck. First I post only about a small fraction of whom I've seen, so the numbers are going to be skewed way low even if you try to backtrack old posts and I will be on the dirt side of the grass long before they can just make a list. Second, I never said I have actually seen or been with the girls in question so there's a twist to try and work out. So did he or didn't he? Mmmmm? Third, I did not put a date on it, could be local girls, UTRs, touring pros, amateurs or SA babes, visitors or residents, so who knows who might have been around. Fourth, I did not say if they have freckles, so that keeps the field wide open- mayb a mono freckle was involved, but was she af-am or Asian or Eurasian,(God don't get me thinking about Bengali women, one will never be matched) or maybe one had so many that hitting each one with a fine point sharpie would make her look af-am anyway. I could go on and on but I think you get the point. But wait, let's make this interesting. I will give you a hint. They were both born female. Mmmmm, what clue could be hidden in there?

Damn I am feeling a little rabid today.

[QUOTE=Ilapp;2944990]

Damn I am feeling a little rabid today.[/QUOTE]I called Maria Chudnovsky and then crunched the numbers and here's my conclusion:

A: You're one of the luckiest mongers alive.

2: You ate a box of nails for breakfast.

D: All three of the above.

Either way, keep it up!

[QUOTE=Kyussfan;2945080]I called Maria Chudnovsky and then crunched the numbers and here's my conclusion:

A: You're one of the luckiest mongers alive.

2: You ate a box of nails for breakfast.

D: All three of the above.

Either way, keep it up![/QUOTE]Like the subtle popculture reference.

[QUOTE=Kevrob911;2942273]SP8 was an IMPD Vice Sting Operation that occurred on May 10th, 2013 at the Country Inn and Suites just off the I-65 Southport Road exit. In case you haven't already cracked the code-- SP comes from Southport and 8 comes from the number of guys who visited the graybar hotel as a result of it.

A local provider named Kandi who was on the now defunct NR was busted by vice. Kandi had managed to carry out several successful visits with local hobbyists before she was arrested and vice. Young and scared, Kandi allowed IMPD vice to take over her NR account and phone.

Once vice was in the possession of Kandi's account, they convinced a local well known hobbyist who had actually visited with her to write a review on NR. For the purposes of this posting, let's call this person MR62.

In the meantime, vice had also been corresponding with another well-known local hobbyist (the aforementioned Boiler Fan) for an appointment. When the arranged appointment with Boiler Fan occurred, he became the second local to be arrested and turn over his accounts to IMPD Vice. Boiler fan wasn't young and should have known better to allow this. They proceeded to write Kandi another glowing review using Boiler Fan's accounts.

So now we have a new young provider with reviews from two well-known hobbyists. And you know how it goes, everyone loves fresh meat.

Less than a week later, the sting was setup and they were reeling in hobbyists at the rate of about 4 per hour until their cover was blown.

The IMPD decoy who stood in the place of Kandi was Officer Tabatha McLemore.

MR62's online reputation was destroyed by this turn of events. But in his defense, he reviewed girls all of the time and was willing to help the new Kandi out. He was not aware that the account was in the possession of Indy Vice, which I believe now.

However, Boiler Fan knew that IMPD had possession of his accounts and knew the review was false and should have warned someone in the hobby community about this. All he had to do was tell one provider. He defended himself by saying his lawyer told him not to contact anyone in the community. But his silence bought 3-4 days of time for IMPD Vice to setup a sting with Kandi's online presence. Lawyers don't always give good advice.

There you have it.

Note to Admin- Not trying to break any rules, just answer a question from a local hobbyist.

[blue]I don't see any violation of any rules. My issue has never been that something like this couldn't happen, I only take issue with guys that say people get busted from the information posted. Getting caught up in a sting and having your phone seized is not the same thing as "oh my god if you write that they will arrest that girl."

You can get caught in a sting on any online site, NR, BP, Us whoever. But that is them putting the cuffs on you when you show up, you deliver yourself to them. Not them knocking on your door from something you wrote here. It's a whole different thing.

Once you move from online to reality the same rules as a boxing ring apply, "protect yourself at all times."

A2[/blue][/QUOTE]I forgot my wallet in my desk drawer and had no access to cash or I would've been eating orange bologna. Needless to say it scared the crap out of me and I haven't hobbied since.

The thing with GR that I always figured his excuse was crap was he had contact with a provider a day or two after his arrest (it was either cate or deb). And when everyone put two and two together and knew what he had done it logged in under a feweek different handlestyles.

So when he claims his lawyer says don't contact anyone in the community that includes trying to see a provider and vehemently defending himself in an open forum. He can do those to things but not warn anyone? I call bullshit.

I'm thinking we should make a movie about the SP8 bust. We can get Lorelei Nixie to star as undercover officer Tabatha McLemore, and we'll call it.

"Streetwalker, Texas Ranger".

My mom thinks it's a bad idea.