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[QUOTE=ILuvBubbles;4891413]If you agree to meet and show up, I don't think its enough. You have to speak specifically about an act and it has to be proven that's what your paying for. Thats why girls say no explicit language. If you ask about a specific service and then agree to see her, it implies that is why your there and a soliciting charge can be had. Cop check works if nothing specific was talked about before hand, which is why its common in the SW scene. Usually for escorts people want to know alot, before paying the money which is why its not common. If you want to be safe only ask how much for time and no more. Don't respond if she text back specifics like 60 for BBBJ and what not, because its getting specific. Remember they can't charge you if they have no reason to. If I ask for a qv for 50, I could say I was paying for a massage or a therapist session when I show up. They can't prove any different and my text wouldn't help them either. So it would be a waste for a decoy to invite me over. Cops need specifics for it to stick.[/QUOTE]You're missing a big factor. Cops can legally lie.
They can write up a report that says anything plausible to prosecutor regardless if it's a setup or entrapment. You will need to prove your innocence and go through great expense.
BMD.
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[QUOTE=BigMacDaddy;4892029]You're missing a big factor. Cops can legally lie.
They can write up a report that says anything plausible to prosecutor regardless if it's a setup or entrapment. You will need to prove your innocence and go through great expense.
BMD.[/QUOTE]Very true! They can also post your details publicly as arrested, before a court deems you guilty, with all the damage that results.
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[QUOTE=Woody50;4892046]Very true! They can also post your details publicly as arrested, before a court deems you guilty, with all the damage that results.[/QUOTE]Police do not care about prostitution convictions. If they arrest you: you pay the bail bondsmen, maybe a lawyer, maybe get your name in the paper. They win. If the case get dropped they do not care. A friend of mine got caught with a street girl once. Lawyer said he could fight and probably win but was easier to take community service. His wife left him after it hit the paper. No, this is not me, I'm stuck with my wife.
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[QUOTE=Woody50;4892046]Very true! They can also post your details publicly as arrested, before a court deems you guilty, with all the damage that results.[/QUOTE]Wait.
Cops lie. Cops lie? Yeah right. The next thing you'll be telling me is they;.
Choke helpless people to death.
Shoot people in the back.
Falsify evidence.
Plant evidence.
Lie under oath.
Write fake police reports.
Blatantly break the law. All in the name of enforcing it of course.
Don't like donuts.
We weren't born yesterday ya' know.
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[QUOTE=ILuvBubbles;4891413]If you agree to meet and show up, I don't think its enough. You have to speak specifically about an act and it has to be proven that's what your paying for. Thats why girls say no explicit language. If you ask about a specific service and then agree to see her, it implies that is why your there and a soliciting charge can be had. Cop check works if nothing specific was talked about before hand, which is why its common in the SW scene. Usually for escorts people want to know alot, before paying the money which is why its not common. If you want to be safe only ask how much for time and no more. Don't respond if she text back specifics like 60 for BBBJ and what not, because its getting specific. Remember they can't charge you if they have no reason to. If I ask for a qv for 50, I could say I was paying for a massage or a therapist session when I show up. They can't prove any different and my text wouldn't help them either. So it would be a waste for a decoy to invite me over. Cops need specifics for it to stick.[/QUOTE]All of what you say is very logical and makes sense. Please don't take this wrong way but as serious question. Do you have either legal or LE training or background or are you speaking from accumulating opinions and such from boards or just personal analysis and such? I imagine it is the latter. If so, laws vary from state to state and LE practices can vary town by town. Cleary the best thing is to never speak of acts, donations for specific services, etc as you allude to. However, they can arrest you if they want for showing up to a meeting where you answering a sexually oriented ad / website, and it a small victory if they drop the charges 2 hours or 2 days later knowing they don't have a case. By then your name or pic has made the paper, you had to call a buddy for bail money, etc. And, of course, a particular LEO can lie as to what you said to them. I knew a girl in Ct who did all the right things, but when she showed up for outcall at motel, they arrested her for something like "attempted prostitution" without her even having entered the room. Of course it was dropped, but her pic made the paper. So, it smart to do all the things we been talking about, but the first time with any unknown provider always involves risk of arrest.
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[QUOTE=GordonFreeman;4892062]Police do not care about prostitution convictions. If they arrest you: you pay the bail bondsmen, maybe a lawyer, maybe get your name in the paper. They win. If the case get dropped they do not care. A friend of mine got caught with a street girl once. Lawyer said he could fight and probably win but was easier to take community service. His wife left him after it hit the paper. No, this is not me, I'm stuck with my wife.[/QUOTE]Agree, but if you can afford the divorce, the guy has given you a road map to no longer be stuck with her LOL.
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[QUOTE=BigMacDaddy;4892029]You're missing a big factor. Cops can legally lie.
They can write up a report that says anything plausible to prosecutor regardless if it's a setup or entrapment. You will need to prove your innocence and go through great expense.
BMD.[/QUOTE]Cops cannot legally lie on a police report. They can lie to you to try to coax a confession out of you (like saying your accomplice confessed or some stupid shit) or simply lie to you to get what they want from you, but they can't legally file a false police report. Sure, they'd probably get away with it if they did but it's definitely not legal in any sense.
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[QUOTE=Tomb8871;4892121]All of what you say is very logical and makes sense. Please don't take this wrong way but as serious question. Do you have either legal or LE training or background or are you speaking from accumulating opinions and such from boards or just personal analysis and such? I imagine it is the latter. If so, laws vary from state to state and LE practices can vary town by town. Cleary the best thing is to never speak of acts, donations for specific services, etc as you allude to. However, they can arrest you if they want for showing up to a meeting where you answering a sexually oriented ad / website, and it a small victory if they drop the charges 2 hours or 2 days later knowing they don't have a case. By then your name or pic has made the paper, you had to call a buddy for bail money, etc. And, of course, a particular LEO can lie as to what you said to them. I knew a girl in Ct who did all the right things, but when she showed up for outcall at motel, they arrested her for something like "attempted prostitution" without her even having entered the room. Of course it was dropped, but her pic made the paper. So, it smart to do all the things we been talking about, but the first time with any unknown provider always involves risk of arrest.[/QUOTE]My response was focused on getting out of the situation legally more then avoiding a meeting with the police entirely. Sure they can detain me for going there to question me, but if I cooperate and give a legal reason why I'm there and and don't self incriminate, its pointless for them to keep me. Police can't determin I got the number from a sex site, because I contacted them. I could say I got it from anywhere, and my inquire about their time was for legal reasons. Many people end up getting arrested because, they don't want to talk unless a lawyer is present or self incriminate a bit a some point. Your friend got off which is good, but unless I know why they didn't wait and get her for prostitution instead of attempt I can't speak on it.
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[QUOTE=ILuvBubbles;4892291]My response was focused on getting out of the situation legally more then avoiding a meeting with the police entirely. Sure they can detain me for going there to question me, but if I cooperate and give a legal reason why I'm there and and don't self incriminate, its pointless for them to keep me. Police can't determin I got the number from a sex site, because I contacted them. I could say I got it from anywhere, and my inquire about their time was for legal reasons. Many people end up getting arrested because, they don't want to talk unless a lawyer is present or self incriminate a bit a some point. Your friend got off which is good, but unless I know why they didn't wait and get her for prostitution instead of attempt I can't speak on it.[/QUOTE]I mean this in the nicest way possible and with all due respect, but you're fucking delusional if you think that showing up to a sting when you responded to a number posted on a site that solicits prostitution to meet with said prostitute isn't probable cause for the police to arrest you. Simply responding to the ad and showing up is probable cause to arrest you for soliciting. Sure they might not be able to convict you assuming you only spoke about spending time with them over the phone but you're 100% getting arrested if you show up. Also despite you thinking you can talk your way out of getting arrested, NEVER EVER TALK TO THE POLICE! EVER! Seriously. Absolutely nothing you say can help you when they do arrest you. And it definitely won't help you in your court case. Literally never ever talk to the police without an attorney present. In the case of showing up at a prostitution sting, you're getting arrested if you show up regardless of what you think you can say to get out of it and anything you say to them can and WILL be held against you in court but will NEVER be used for your defense.
Just in case. This is not legal advice as I am not an attorney. But seriously, if you get arrested, shut the fuck up.
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Melikey is giving 1000% AWESOME ADVICE HERE!
Go on YouTube and type in "never talk to the police" and a lawyer / law school professor go into it in great and both very entertaining and informative detail.
Speaking to the cops in an effort to defend yourself will never ever help you and will only serve to hurt you.
[QUOTE]=MeliKey123;4892343]I mean this in the nicest way possible and with all due respect, but you're fucking delusional if you think that showing up to a sting when you responded to a number posted on a site that solicits prostitution to meet with said prostitute isn't probable cause for the police to arrest you. Simply responding to the ad and showing up is probable cause to arrest you for soliciting. Sure they might not be able to convict you assuming you only spoke about spending time with them over the phone but you're 100% getting arrested if you show up. Also despite you thinking you can talk your way out of getting arrested, NEVER EVER TALK TO THE POLICE! EVER! Seriously. Absolutely nothing you say can help you when they do arrest you. And it definitely won't help you in your court case. Literally never ever talk to the police without an attorney present. In the case of showing up at a prostitution sting, you're getting arrested if you show up regardless of what you think you can say to get out of it and.
Melikey is giving 1000% AWESOME ADVICE HERE!
Go on YouTube and type in "never talk to the police" and a lawyer / law school professor go into it in great and both very entertaining and informative detail.
Speaking to the cops in an effort to defend yourself will never ever help you and will only serve to hurt you.
Do yourselves a big favor and watch the YouTube video. Simply great stuff.
Again great advice by a smart forum member. Kudos to you Bro.[QUOTE]
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Careful
With all of this LE talk figured it'd be a good time to make report, went to meet this girl and saw 3 cruisers after pulling in. She texted saying it was to remove another person from the motel, too risky for me. Vernon area.
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[QUOTE=MeliKey123;4892343]I mean this in the nicest way possible and with all due respect, but you're fucking delusional if you think that showing up to a sting when you responded to a number posted on a site that solicits prostitution to meet with said prostitute isn't probable cause for the police to arrest you. Simply responding to the ad and showing up is probable cause to arrest you for soliciting. Sure they might not be able to convict you assuming you only spoke about spending time with them over the phone but you're 100% getting arrested if you show up. Also despite you thinking you can talk your way out of getting arrested, NEVER EVER TALK TO THE POLICE! EVER! Seriously. Absolutely nothing you say can help you when they do arrest you. And it definitely won't help you in your court case. Literally never ever talk to the police without an attorney present. In the case of showing up at a prostitution sting, you're getting arrested if you show up regardless of what you think you can say to get out of it and anything you say to them can and WILL be held against you in court but will NEVER be used for your defense.
Just in case. This is not legal advice as I am not an attorney. But seriously, if you get arrested, shut the fuck up[/QUOTE]These guys are a bit gruff. But the advise is spot on (especially the last 15 secs of the video ('The script' Remember. The cops aren't questioning you to help you, it's all about building a case against you.
[URL]https://www.respectmyregion.com/legal-advice-pot-brothers-at-law/[/URL]
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[QUOTE=MeliKey123;4892187]Cops cannot legally lie on a police report. They can lie to you to try to coax a confession out of you (like saying your accomplice confessed or some stupid shit) or simply lie to you to get what they want from you, but they can't legally file a false police report. Sure, they'd probably get away with it if they did but it's definitely not legal in any sense.[/QUOTE]The key word in your post is "legally". Look at what's been going on in the country for the past few months. Do you think fudging the facts in a police report to bolster their case a bit and make an arrest stick or make things easier for the prosecutor is beyond the police? My bet is that it's a daily occurrence.
And besides, if you and the police are on the scene together after you arrive to meet up with a girl there's a 99% chance of you getting arrested. The "win" for them is not getting the conviction on the little misdemeanor charge of "intent to solicit" or whatever, it's the massive inconvenience, the expense, your name, story and mugshot in the paper and all of the implications the whole thing has on your personal and work life. Your wife, family and friends WILL find out, and they know that SOMEONE in the company you work for reads the police blotter daily and that shit will spread like wildfire. Boom, they got their conviction before even going to court. They couldn't care less about the misdemeanor charge.
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[QUOTE=Kwagmire;4892695]The key word in your post is "legally". Look at what's been going on in the country for the past few months. Do you think fudging the facts in a police report to bolster their case a bit and make an arrest stick or make things easier for the prosecutor is beyond the police? My bet is that it's a daily occurrence.
And besides, if you and the police are on the scene together after you arrive to meet up with a girl there's a 99% chance of you getting arrested. The "win" for them is not getting the conviction on the little misdemeanor charge of "intent to solicit" or whatever, it's the massive inconvenience, the expense, your name, story and mugshot in the paper and all of the implications the whole thing has on your personal and work life. Your wife, family and friends WILL find out, and they know that SOMEONE in the company you work for reads the police blotter daily and that shit will spread like wildfire. Boom, they got their conviction before even going to court. They couldn't care less about the misdemeanor charge.[/QUOTE]Pretty sure we are both in agreement then. Cops can't legally lie on a police report but they can legally lie to you. However if a cop DOES lie on a police report, chances are even if caught they'd still get away with it.
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[QUOTE=Mustafa;4892428]Melikey is giving 1000% AWESOME ADVICE HERE!
Go on YouTube and type in "never talk to the police" and a lawyer / law school professor go into it in great and both very entertaining and informative detail.
Speaking to the cops in an effort to defend yourself will never ever help you and will only serve to hurt you.
Do yourselves a big favor and watch the YouTube video. Simply great stuff.
Again great advice by a smart forum member. Kudos to you Bro.[/QUOTE]That very video you're talking about is exactly the one I was thinking of when I wrote my response haha.