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[QUOTE=VetSD;5949347] If you're tired of all the hassle of SA or you're having a problem getting the girls to meet up with you, then just call [URL]SirensVA.com[/URL].[/QUOTE]I might call them if I thought I'd be meeting the girls pictured on their site. But they've had the same pics on there for years now, and there is no escort agency on earth with that little turnover.
[QUOTE=GoinDonkey;5951224]I might call them if I thought I'd be meeting the girls pictured on their site. But they've had the same pics on there for years now, and there is no escort agency on earth with that little turnover.[/QUOTE]They have a high turnover rate. They get new girls all the time. The majority of the girls do not want their picture on an adult entertainment website because these are not porn stars. They're normal hot college girls who have normal lives and live In this town. They have other jobs, families, and normal lives. Do you want a picture of yourself floating around on thousands of perverts phones in the town that you live in? There are a lot of dangerous psychos on the Internet. For most of the girls, it's just something they're doing part time for tuition and to just get by in life. They don't want to be recognized outside in their real lives. It's not their career.
[QUOTE=GoinDonkey;5951224]I might call them if I thought I'd be meeting the girls pictured on their site. But they've had the same pics on there for years now, and there is no escort agency on earth with that little turnover.[/QUOTE]They have 20 to 30 girls who don't want their picture on the website. They just hired a bunch of new girls who will be in Richmond for the summer. I've seen 3 new girls advertised on the website in the last 2 weeks and they added a dominatrix.
[QUOTE=Jacko52;5951391]Do you want a picture of yourself floating around on thousands of perverts phones in the town that you live in?[/QUOTE]I wasn't saying the girls don't have valid reasons to not want their faces on the site. They do. But that doesn't make me ok with a crapshoot, having no idea what the girl they send will actually look like.
I've seen other agencies do better. Like posting real pics with the girls faces and tattoos hidden. Or no pics at all, but ethnicity and stats. The way Sirens does it is dishonest. Especially since their site states "[B]What you see is what you get! No bait and switch here[/B]".
Also, 8 of the 11 girls listed on their site now have been on there since it began. If their turnover rate is high, that means if I order "Jessica" and like her, then order her again a month or two later, the girl they send probably won't be the same "Jessica" as before.
[QUOTE=KingKane;5950966]I'm not going to "make-believe" that I'm actually dating these girls. The sheer fact that we have to negotiate with SBs means that if we don't agree to give them a certain amount of money, they wouldn't touch us with a 10-ft pole.[/QUOTE]I think your reaction is a bit overboard. And it is certainly the complete opposite of my experience of sugaring in the wild, wherein a POT almost always agrees to the situation before even knowing what the compensation will be, and I have written extensively on strategies to achieve that connection, which is established before money is even a factor. While you can never really tell how much actual attraction there is between a male and a female (even in civvie dating), there is sometimes a genuine bond of sorts between SD and SB. The only way to know what that is for sure is to get perfectly truthful statements about it from both parties, and that is probably unlikely to happen. But to assume it is "just" a financial transaction is to ignore everything we know about the physical and emotional interaction of men and women, regardless how it gets started, and regardless of the age differences in this particular case.
[QUOTE] It means that anytime spent with us is excruciating for them and they have to hold down their vomit and laugh at all of our jokes so they can get their money. You're paying someone for their time, you're paying them to be there. If they weren't getting paid what they want, they wouldn't be there. I have no idea how some of you guys can misconstrue that into them liking you in some way. That's absurd; they need financial help. They might lie and say they like you. If your boss asked you if you really liked him as a person, wouldn't you say yes with a big smile on your face? Of course you would. Common sense.[/QUOTE]Your view is bitterly biased and you can't possibly know that your conclusions are always and most assuredly the case. I have had both strong and weak connections to SBs. While it may be wishful thinking, some of those relationships have been close. Some most definitely have not. Compatibility is a complexly strange animal. It is very hard to explain or perfectly understand. But I would claim through considerable experience that affinity for and harmony with a SB is definitely possible despite your contentions to the absolute contrary that an employer/employee relationship with ass kissing of the employer is all that is transpiring. My MO these days is always to make the connection first: the compensation follows but is not the predicate of the transaction.
[QUOTE=GoinDonkey;5952201]I wasn't saying the girls don't have valid reasons to not want their faces on the site. They do. But that doesn't make me ok with a crapshoot, having no idea what the girl they send will actually look like.
I've seen other agencies do better. Like posting real pics with the girls faces and tattoos hidden. Or no pics at all, but ethnicity and stats. The way Sirens does it is dishonest. Especially since their site states "[B]What you see is what you get! No bait and switch here[/B]".
Also, 8 of the 11 girls listed on their site now have been on there since it began. If their turnover rate is high, that means if I order "Jessica" and like her, then order her again a month or two later, the girl they send probably won't be the same "Jessica" as before.[/QUOTE]So what are the rates and serving area?
[QUOTE=KingKane;5950966]I'm not going to "make-believe" that I'm actually dating these girls. The sheer fact that we have to negotiate with SBs means that if we don't agree to give them a certain amount of money, they wouldn't touch us with a 10-ft pole. It means that anytime spent with us is excruciating for them and they have to hold down their vomit and laugh at all of our jokes so they can get their money. You're paying someone for their time, you're paying them to be there. If they weren't getting paid what they want, they wouldn't be there. I have no idea how some of you guys can misconstrue that into them liking you in some way. That's absurd; they need financial help. They might lie and say they like you. If your boss asked you if you really liked him as a person, wouldn't you say yes with a big smile on your face? Of course you would. Common sense.[/QUOTE]This may be true sometimes or even a lot of time but you cannot universalize. I am with PTG on this. I have been in the sugar bowl for almost ten years now. I have had arrangements with multiple SB's. Some got clingy and I had to create distance. Others ghosted on me. A handful have moved away or moved on but others have stayed in touch. I have one who sends me beach photos from California over FB. Another is married and sends me videos of her vacation trips with her husband. Still another pings me periodically for career or investment advice. I doubt any of that would be happening if it were a purely financial transaction. As has often been said, everybody gets the sugar bowl they are seeking. Wittingly or otherwise.
BAM.
Yeah, the scene on SA runs from girls who actually want a guy who is older and to get with them, to girls who are looking for some fun with a financial benefit to out and out PPM girls who just want the cash. I've interacted to varying degrees with all of these kinds.
A girl from WYP started it with her favoriting my profile, and I chatted back because she looked cute and was a college freshman. We have several get togethers where we did various things before hitting the FC. On one occasion early on I forgot to give her the donation. When I texted her about it, she just went "LOL, don't worry about it!" I had cashapped her funds before, so if that was all she was about she would have jumped to that. For various reasons (mostly distance), we're not seeing each other any more, but we still keep in touch, and she's the one that starts the chats about half the time. No mention of getting together again or funds, just keeping up with what's going on. I really did like her as a person, and she felt the same. Can't say I didn't enjoy the hell out of banging a college freshman, or making out like teenagers in my car before the FC, because I sure as hell did. But there was more of a connection than just financial help there. And I'm no George Clooney or Tom Cruise kind of older guy, either. Just a chunky guy who tries to treat them well, which many of them had never gotten and appreciate.
Now that's not the only type I've interacted with. There's been several who go to off site texts within a few exchanges and make it clear they're there for the donation. Had a few of those, too. Getting a gal with J cups for a couple of hours for what youd pay a "real" pro for? Fine by me. No pretense or anything but getting rocks off.
Also had some that favorited me and were looking for an older stable guy with marriage in mind. I was polite to them, and let them know that's not what I was there for. Not a single word about donations or anything, they just want a replacement daddy, either because they didn't have one or he was an asshole to them. Daddy issues can be a strong motivator for a college age girl (or even older) to get an older guy. Does having money help? Sure.
So there's a lot more on SA or WYP than just UTR woman out for nothing but cash. They're there, too, but they aren't all of them.
[QUOTE=GoinDonkey;5952201]I wasn't saying the girls don't have valid reasons to not want their faces on the site. They do. I've seen other agencies do better. Like posting real pics with the girls faces and tattoos hidden. Or no pics at all, but ethnicity and stats. If their turnover rate is high, that means if I order "Jessica" and like her, then order her again a month or two later, the girl they send probably won't be the same "Jessica" as before.[/QUOTE]"Jessica" no longer works there. If you ask for a specific girl who is no longer there, they'll tell you that on the phone. They also give out stats and send pictures over the phone so that it's never a crap shoot. If people are confused, you can always call and talk to the receptionists. They have about 10 really sweet office workers who will answer any questions you have. It's better than reading imaginary hypotheses on here from men who obviously know nothing about Sirens and have never used them.
Just started chatting with this one. Has anybody any experience.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/0576f944-8d42-4e91-8c7e-108d301c8102[/URL]
Thanks.
I have seen her before many times. She is absolutely sublime, but such a scatterbrain! I think it is hard for her just to keep the days of the week straight. But she doesn't need to be a brain trust to be fun. Very sassy and a natural cock tease. Likes to playfully taunt me in between long sloppy sucks on junior with sultry comments like "Are you going to fuck me hard, Daddy? I can't wait!" Big puffy nipples she loves to have pinched, sucked and even bitten, especially when she is just about to pop. A squealer when she cums and I have to cup her mouth so that her neighbors don't call the police, thinking she is being harmed. If she could actually keep a schedule, I would gladly clear mine to make her my priority. But, sadly, she has a habit of not answering texts and disappearing for inordinate periods of time. Also promises that her roomie might also be interested, but that never seems to materialize. That's OK. One great thing is that she likes to see me at her apartment, which saves me a hotel bill. And absence makes the dick grow harder.
[QUOTE=PartyTimeGuy;5953409]I have seen her before many times. She is absolutely sublime, but such a scatterbrain! I think it is hard for her just to keep the days of the week straight. But she doesn't need to be a brain trust to be fun. Very sassy and a natural cock tease. Likes to playfully taunt me in between long sloppy sucks on junior with sultry comments like "Are you going to fuck me hard, Daddy? I can't wait!" Big puffy nipples she loves to have pinched, sucked and even bitten, especially when she is just about to pop. A squealer when she cums and I have to cup her mouth so that her neighbors don't call the police, thinking she is being harmed. If she could actually keep a schedule, I would gladly clear mine to make her my priority. But, sadly, she has a habit of not answering texts and disappearing for inordinate periods of time. Also promises that her roomie might also be interested, but that never seems to materialize. That's OK. One great thing is that she likes to see me at her apartment, which saves me a hotel bill. And absence makes the dick grow harder.[/QUOTE]She looking for fun??
[QUOTE=Dragyn;5953451]She looking for fun??[/QUOTE]Her picture should be in the dictionary under the word "fun. " But trying to schedule the fun? As I said, extremely challenging.
[QUOTE=PartyTimeGuy;5953409]I have seen her before many times. She is absolutely sublime, but such a scatterbrain! I think it is hard for her just to keep the days of the week straight. But she doesn't need to be a brain trust to be fun. Very sassy and a natural cock tease. Likes to playfully taunt me in between long sloppy sucks on junior with sultry comments like "Are you going to fuck me hard, Daddy? I can't wait!" Big puffy nipples she loves to have pinched, sucked and even bitten, especially when she is just about to pop. A squealer when she cums and I have to cup her mouth so that her neighbors don't call the police, thinking she is being harmed. If she could actually keep a schedule, I would gladly clear mine to make her my priority. But, sadly, she has a habit of not answering texts and disappearing for inordinate periods of time. Also promises that her roomie might also be interested, but that never seems to materialize. That's OK. One great thing is that she likes to see me at her apartment, which saves me a hotel bill. And absence makes the dick grow harder.[/QUOTE]In the full body pic where she's laying on her back, what is that thing to the right of her navel?
[QUOTE=PartyTimeGuy;5953409]I have seen her before many times. She is absolutely sublime, but such a scatterbrain! I think it is hard for her just to keep the days of the week straight. But she doesn't need to be a brain trust to be fun. Very sassy and a natural cock tease. Likes to playfully taunt me in between long sloppy sucks on junior with sultry comments like "Are you going to fuck me hard, Daddy? I can't wait!" Big puffy nipples she loves to have pinched, sucked and even bitten, especially when she is just about to pop. A squealer when she cums and I have to cup her mouth so that her neighbors don't call the police, thinking she is being harmed. If she could actually keep a schedule, I would gladly clear mine to make her my priority. But, sadly, she has a habit of not answering texts and disappearing for inordinate periods of time. Also promises that her roomie might also be interested, but that never seems to materialize. That's OK. One great thing is that she likes to see me at her apartment, which saves me a hotel bill. And absence makes the dick grow harder.[/QUOTE]I swear I have seen these photos or other photos of her in the past, with a similar write up, you ever post on ECCIE?
[QUOTE=PartyTimeGuy;5953601]Her picture should be in the dictionary under the word "fun. " But trying to schedule the fun? As I said, extremely challenging.[/QUOTE]Is this a local RVA area SA girl? I have not seen anyone that looks like that on there recently. What's her username or a link to her profile. Thanks.
[QUOTE=GeechieDan;5954063]In the full body pic where she's laying on her back, what is that thing to the right of her navel?[/QUOTE]Looks like an attachment point for insulin pump.
This looks like Lauren from years back who had monkey problems and a lot of mixed reviews over the years.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/b77ac9e2-b5e4-44b1-b242-322a7e05672b[/URL]
[QUOTE=Round3;5954754]This looks like Lauren from years back who had monkey problems and a lot of mixed reviews over the years.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/b77ac9e2-b5e4-44b1-b242-322a7e05672b[/URL][/QUOTE]Yes, that's her. I messaged her and she replied with her name and number.
Looks like she has put on a little weight.
[QUOTE=SBmidlo;5954939]Yes, that's her. I messaged her and she replied with her name and number.[/QUOTE]
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Any thoughts pros and cons on seeing married women?
Thanks CM.
[QUOTE=CandyMan555;5956751]Any thoughts pros and cons on seeing married women?
Thanks CM.[/QUOTE]It is a risk reward thingie. You want some upset irate hubby after you when the relationship shits the bed or she gets found out?
Only married women I date are those that identify as swingers and the hubby is fully aware of and approves of their activities. Of course there is the risk that the wifey lies to you and says that her hubby knows and approves, then default to the above.
Other than that it's just common sense. Pussy is pussy. Like any SB or other situation you have to be watchful for a girl getting too close, too attached and wanting more than "just sex" from the relationship.
An SB on SA just let me in on a little secret. The site says that the girls are "currently online" for a full hour after they Log-off. I don't know if it's the same for us men. It's a money making scheme. SA is trying to make us believe that there are hundreds of girls that will sell their time, currently online, ready to chat. I thought the girls were ignoring me! It turns out, they weren't even online when I messaged them. They probably didn't get my message until days later.
[QUOTE=CandyMan555;5956751]Any thoughts pros and cons on seeing married women?
Thanks CM.[/QUOTE]SBs don't care if we're married and we shouldn't care if they're married. Being married in our private lives has nothing to do with what we're doing on Seeking. We're not trying to have relationships with them. They're not trying to have relationships with us. We're just paying them for sex.
[QUOTE=CandyMan555;5956751]Any thoughts pros and cons on seeing married women?
Thanks CM.[/QUOTE]I did a few hookups with a married woman before she got into swinging. Then she and her husband got into swinging and said it was great! I knew my wife wouldn't go for it. She said we couldn't be together unless I agreed to meet her husband. I reluctantly agreed. I asked her when I would meet him. She said I didn't need to meet him, I was only required to agree to meet him.
[QUOTE=CandyMan555;5956751]Any thoughts pros and cons on seeing married women?
Thanks CM.[/QUOTE]If a woman is married but looking, you can pretty much count on a serious nympho -- unless its an open marriage then there is some psychological component to sharing that gets them off -- not really my thing.
Since I'm married -- not openly -- married SBs are great because we both thrive on discretion.
[QUOTE=GolfMan57;5955254]Looks like she has put on a little weight.[/QUOTE]Most definitely-- and has aged quite a bit since I first saw her years ago. That said, she will do anything.
[QUOTE=KingKane;5957238]An SB on SA just let me in on a little secret. The site says that the girls are "currently online" for a full hour after they Log-off. I don't know if it's the same for us men. It's a money making scheme. SA is trying to make us believe that there are hundreds of girls that will sell their time, currently online, ready to chat. I thought the girls were ignoring me! It turns out, they weren't even online when I messaged them. They probably didn't get my message until days later.[/QUOTE]I found this out about 2 weeks ago. All these years I've been trying to chat with girls who were not logged on.
I really don't think it is that sinister. LOL.
The only way they know someone is active, is when they interact with site by clicking on something on a page on the site. It's not rationale to only show someone is online at the moment they click a page. Almost all websites that show online satus will classify someone as online based upon an arbitrary time since their last click. I don't think an hour is an unusual arbitrary time to use.
You need thicker skin. It's not that serious. LOL.
[QUOTE=KingKane;5957238]An SB on SA just let me in on a little secret. The site says that the girls are "currently online" for a full hour after they Log-off. I don't know if it's the same for us men. It's a money making scheme. SA is trying to make us believe that there are hundreds of girls that will sell their time, currently online, ready to chat. I thought the girls were ignoring me! It turns out, they weren't even online when I messaged them. They probably didn't get my message until days later.[/QUOTE]
I have seen dozens of married women that I've met on AM.
Most free, a couple sugar babies.
The positive to the free ones, if you're also married, is that they have equal risk and usually want the same discretion. The negative, with both SA and AM sites, is that you pay through the nose and are up against 25:1 M: F ratios. So it's not uncommon to write 20 very creative responses, and get zero replies.
Keep doing it week after week, and eventually, like slot machines, it will pay out.
The cons are simple, as mentioned earlier. If she's not smart, you could have a very angry husband after you. I have been threatened by a couple, but nothing ever happened.
[QUOTE=CandyMan555;5956751]Any thoughts pros and cons on seeing married women?
Thanks CM.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Shampoo55;5956770]Of course there is the risk that the wifey lies to you and says that her hubby knows and approves, then default to the above.[/QUOTE]You mean like most of the men on SA do? What are the statistical odds of that many Open Marriages?
[QUOTE=GoinDonkey;5951224]I might call them if I thought I'd be meeting the girls pictured on their site. But they've had the same pics on there for years now, and there is no escort agency on earth with that little turnover.[/QUOTE]I tried to call them to schedule a girl. Was informed they won't come to a Hotel. Maybe I spooked the attendant. Is this their policy? I'd appreciate feedback on this. I travel to VA often so I'd like to try them.
[QUOTE=KingKane;5957238]An SB on SA just let me in on a little secret. The site says that the girls are "currently online" for a full hour after they Log-off. I don't know if it's the same for us men. It's a money making scheme. SA is trying to make us believe that there are hundreds of girls that will sell their time, currently online, ready to chat. I thought the girls were ignoring me! It turns out, they weren't even online when I messaged them. They probably didn't get my message until days later.[/QUOTE]Yes, it's a money making scheme. Before now, what did you think SA was?
[QUOTE=KingKane;5957243]SBs don't care if we're married[/QUOTE]This thread is full of reports from married guys about girls they've contacted on SA who told them they wouldn't see married men. There are many who will, sure, but it's far from universal.
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[QUOTE=Gulf0521;5958626]I tried to call them to schedule a girl. Was informed they won't come to a Hotel. Maybe I spooked the attendant. Is this their policy? I'd appreciate feedback on this. I travel to VA often so I'd like to try them.[/QUOTE]I don't know what you said to piss the office workers off, but I saw a girl from sirens in a hotel last night.
I know they're very selective who they will send a girl to.
[QUOTE=Gulf0521;5958626]I tried to call them to schedule a girl. Was informed they won't come to a Hotel. Maybe I spooked the attendant. Is this their policy? I'd appreciate feedback on this. I travel to VA often so I'd like to try them.[/QUOTE]Every girl that I've ever gotten from there has told me not to post anything on the internet about them or their company. That's probably why the receptionist lied and told you they don't go to hotels. They definitely do.
[QUOTE=CandyMan555;5956751]Any thoughts pros and cons on seeing married women?
Thanks CM.[/QUOTE]Its always good to have few married women in your rotation. Married could include MILFs, single moms, single mom's with a place to host etc. All has its advantages. They host, they are busy which means they may be Ok with seeing only you and no one else say 2 times a month, since they are also busy they rarely flake and also strive to make and keep appointments. They are either stressed or not getting from hubby, so they are really into sex. Etc., many maybe on BC so they will allow BBFSCIP if they know you are dependable and clean. To me they are more dependable.