Reviewing and the other info.
I think the big problem I have seen is when mongers give their opinion, or question, whether a provider is using drugs. Which usually comes into question from the physical appearance, and / or the behavior someone finds questionable. Why emotions, or people (other than provider) get worked up over it, I don't know. I believe, if it is questionable mongers want to know. Some don't mind users, others do.
I started one of these disputes a few months ago. I just gave my report, and included something I found questionable about the providers appearance. I posted the reason provider said she looked the way she did. To me, it didn't matter if she was on drugs or not. If something is very strange about her appearance, she should be upfront about it, not wait until you show up. From there it got a little heated. Others drew the conclusion she was on drugs, while others said she looked fine.
There are other things that are nice to know, like boyfriends, handlers or other people hanging around.
As far as the experience. For those of us that like GFE, we can get a little excited over how well the experience goes. But I agree, its a paid / fake experience. So ya, she really isn't your girlfriend except for the time you pay her for.
[QUOTE=Willow1535;3180947]I really enjoy this site. I still use it to acquire information, stay in tune with the current state of the hobby and for entertainment. Yes; entertainment. Believe it or not, some of you guys and gals are actually very funny! As much as I enjoy this site, I have noticed a shift over the past year that is very troubling. Too many people on here take themselves and this hobby way, way too seriously. Emotions run high, people are often quick to insult and attack each other and information shared is at times very questionable. Mongers attack other mongers, who they feel have slighted their ATFs, or attack when they question the validity of the information provided in a post or review. I think that we all need to take a breath and remember what brought us here.
A couple of reminders.
*We are not here to make friends or create relationships with one another or the providers. This isn't M#urlreplacement0}. This site is about one thing; Pussy. Pure and simple. Guys need to remove all of the emotion from this and acknowledge the fact that you are getting laid because you are paying someone to provide that service. It is a business. I can be called 'honey', 'hunny', 'babe' or whatever, but if that donation isn't made, there will be hell to pay. Pay to play.
*Please be factual and direct in your reviews. Too many of the reviews have become an "Ode to my ATF" type review. Please just include the facts. You may feel like you are floating amongst the clouds, with a burst of Lavender in the air and the birds were chirping, but no one wants to hear that crap. If that is how you really felt; great. All I really want to know is what services were provided, did she look like her pictures, was she clean, was the place clean and smoke free, MPOPS, covered or not covered and whether or not she did CIM or spit it out. If you just answer those questions, I think that we all can come to a decision as to whether or not we would see someone. Remember Kenwood Jack's reviews? Those were reviews. Some of you guys act like you are auditioning for the next submission to the Penthouse Forum. Get a life.
Monger Rules. Basic.
A) See provider.
B) Pay provider (don't be cheap and try to negotiate. If you can't afford her, move onto someone in your income range).
C) Write factual review of provider; if you choose to.
D) Repeat steps A. C.
It's that simple.
Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all![/QUOTE]
Promotional white knighting
Excellent commentary and suggestions!
As you describe it, the overriding purpose of this site, helping the monger community to identify safe, satisfying pussy in a pay for play transaction, is not served by the omission of critical, accurate and complete information that allows our comrades to make an informed determination about whether a particular provider may meet their needs for safety, performance, appearance, attitude, value, etc. If pertinent information about these issues is not included in a review because the monger is too focused on promoting the business of one of his favorites, demonstrating his rhetorical skills and literary creativity or white knighting in response to anyone's attempt to state or elicit more accurate information, this does not further the interests of the collective.
Since my entry into this hobby, I have been amazed how many times I have embarked on a mission after reading numerous reviews only to find much of the critical information excluded, erroneous or downright misleading. For the most part, I refuse to believe this is the result of different tastes and preferences. Most often, gross inaccuracies about the safety of the location, the girl's age, height, weight, extent of baby damage, apparent drug use or lack thereof, all lead me to conclude that reviews are frequently written to further some agenda.
Let's be honest about this point. In particular, the question as to whether a girl uses drugs or not is directly related to the potential risks involved in seeing her because usage nearly always correlates to the potential presence of criminals and law enforcement, thereby increasing the risk of collateral damage to any mongers in the vicinity.
As Willow states, remember that it is always a pay-for-play transaction. Present the relevant facts and secondarily, offer opinion and entertaining embellishment at your discretion. Remember that if you distort or omit basic information, you are deliberately or inadvertently promoting an agenda and not helping the rest of us. All too often, you become nothing but a shill for a provider and lose credibility in the process.
Now, go get laid and tell us about it.
[QUOTE=Willow1535;3180947]I really enjoy this site. I still use it to acquire information, stay in tune with the current state of the hobby and for entertainment. Yes; entertainment. Believe it or not, some of you guys and gals are actually very funny! As much as I enjoy this site, I have noticed a shift over the past year that is very troubling. Too many people on here take themselves and this hobby way, way too seriously. Emotions run high, people are often quick to insult and attack each other and information shared is at times very questionable. Mongers attack other mongers, who they feel have slighted their ATFs, or attack when they question the validity of the information provided in a post or review. I think that we all need to take a breath and remember what brought us here.
A couple of reminders.
*We are not here to make friends or create relationships with one another or the providers. This isn't M#urlreplacement0}. This site is about one thing; Pussy. Pure and simple. Guys need to remove all of the emotion from this and acknowledge the fact that you are getting laid because you are paying someone to provide that service. It is a business. I can be called 'honey', 'hunny', 'babe' or whatever, but if that donation isn't made, there will be hell to pay. Pay to play.
*Please be factual and direct in your reviews. Too many of the reviews have become an "Ode to my ATF" type review. Please just include the facts. You may feel like you are floating amongst the clouds, with a burst of Lavender in the air and the birds were chirping, but no one wants to hear that crap. If that is how you really felt; great. All I really want to know is what services were provided, did she look like her pictures, was she clean, was the place clean and smoke free, MPOPS, covered or not covered and whether or not she did CIM or spit it out. If you just answer those questions, I think that we all can come to a decision as to whether or not we would see someone. Remember Kenwood Jack's reviews? Those were reviews. Some of you guys act like you are auditioning for the next submission to the Penthouse Forum. Get a life.
Monger Rules. Basic.
A) See provider.
B) Pay provider (don't be cheap and try to negotiate. If you can't afford her, move onto someone in your income range).
C) Write factual review of provider; if you choose to.
D) Repeat steps A. C.
It's that simple.
Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all![/QUOTE]
Research always tells the real story
[QUOTE=Ceenote;3183166]I guess I had not dug deep enough through The Octagon to see this one until now. But now that I have it is difficult not to comment on it. Most of the mongers here are not under any illusion about the presence of drugs and boyfriends in this game that we play. My use of FB as a research tool alerted me of the potential for both when it came to scheduling my appointment with Grace.
When FB is plastered with arm-in-arm kissy face photos with him, his name is on the mailbox with yours, and then he is sitting outside of the apartment waiting for me to leave, I think this qualifies him as being The Boyfriend. None of your rave reviews had covered this aspect so this was info that I felt other mongers needed to know. I described him as dope sick and you used the term deathly ill so at least it sounds like we are on the same page there. You are not unique in having a boyfriend involved. You just need to do a better job of creating the illusion that he does not exist. Some guys are not going be comfortable knowing that he is lurking about.
Also I was not insinuating drug use. My comments were very direct about the obvious signs of use being present based on appearance. Your FB friend list links you to a virtual who's who of heroin addicts that may or may not be in some state of recovery. I even laughed a little bit when I saw that you had another Mike in your life and that being the one that drove SexySassy on the LE pursuit through Blue Ash a few months back. Again, you are not unique in having any of these entanglements. You even commented to me that 90% of providers are doing so to support their habit. One has to go no further than the clerk's website to realize that you and your BF are not in the minority. There is no personal vendetta. It was just an open and factual review written to help another member make an informed decision. Like I said before (most) of the mongers here are not operating under any illusions. Neither should you so wake the fuck up.[/QUOTE]Thorough research as Ceenote has done always tells the REAL story for those that want to know or care to know, Good job Ceenote.
