"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

Chatting w / more pot SBs and I think I can answer my own question: Most of the pot SBs I chatted with are okay w/"allowance per session" model after I said,"we don't know each other yet, so would like to keep "per session" model initially". .

Got some very good feedback from some brothers here about the CPO. (Thank you!) Definitely need to stick w / the budget and keep the thinking out from the little head. Was able to negotiate down some of the pot SBs down as well. Trying to setup M&G w / several pot SBs and see whether we can go anywhere. Wish me luck. .

[QUOTE=Dog Rice; 1552832]Folks,

Thank you for this thread. Learned a lot from here. Just got a membership on SA. Already getting some chatting w / some SBs.

Got one MILF (GPS type) asking for 5-7k monthly and telling me that this is the norm. Thanks for this thread, I politely told her that I don't believe that is the norm.

What is the typical way for allowance (per session or monthly in advanced )? I don't think any SB would want monthly towards the end of the month. I personally prefer per-session, but seems that some SBs do not like per-session (seems like a Nado#2. Escort type).

After reading thr. This thread, it seems like per session allowance is ranging $ to $$$ in average. ? (Still learning the CPO. Metrics.)

Any expert here can provide some of your experiences?

Thanks in advance[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=John G Smith;1552850]But before I start thinking entirely with the little head, I just wanted to make sure I'm not completely crazy to entertain the idea of an explicit video chat and I wondered if anyone has done anything similar.[/QUOTE]John,

To me, it sounds like a great idea, until it doesn't! Whenever we start out on a new relationship with a Shiny New Baby, everything is sweetness and light! Naked pics of me in the mirror of my bathroom at home? Sure! Skype with me in my office with the door closed? Ok! Naked video chats in the den at home while the wife is out of town? You bet! Hot with two "t's", right?

Now imagine those same things, saved on a scorned or dumped or just vanished baby's hard drive, three months after the breakup, when she hasn't been able to set anything else up, and the rent is past due, and she's acquired a little bit of a coke habit as well. If she doesn't already have an idea who you really are, she's going to start looking, and what if she finds you? All it takes is one polite waitress bringing back your credit card receipt and thanking you by name, and now you're totally vulnerable.

I"m not sure I could sleep well, if at all, knowing that shit was out there on me! I sent a sext with pic to a baby in my early days, and immediately regretted it, since the arrangement didn't go anywhere, but now there was this photo of me, in our master bathroom, that even if she were half blind my SO could identify.

As fun as it sounds, I wouldn't do it, or at least wouldn't do it mutually. If she wants to send you a video clip of her petting the kitty, by all means encourage it. You have [I]way[/I] more to lose than she does, and there is no such thing as mutually-assured destruction in the Bowl. Daddies always lose bigger!

Just my opinion, but I think a reasonable one nonetheless. Brothers?

Scott.

PS - In other news, yes, I have had a run of really bad luck lately. 2 psychos, several no shows, several no thanks, one who I put a lot of work into and then who just vanished, and the rest just didn't do it for me, even after a few dates and some making out. I guess I'm getting pickier in my old age, though shouldn't it be the other way around? Who knows?

In a real shitty turn of events, my ATF, the one who broke my heart, is back on SA, and so far has read but not replied to my three messages, so I think I'll send about 15 to 20 more, and if still no answer from her, I'll begin to get the hint! Ah well, this is the way things go in this strange but wonderful world.

My life has not been entirely baby-free, however. Naughty Brit and I have had several get-togethers, I've had a couple one and dones, and have had very good luck on the road, so all in all, I can't complain. If I could just manage to get my local situation sorted out, I'd be a happy fellow indeed.

I have several m&gs set up for this week, including what I hope will be a delightful picnic on the lakefront tomorrow, so I remain optimistic, despite my recent performance, or lack thereof.

Lastly, the magnificent Polo is making sounds as if our riding lessons are finally able to resume. Kids are well back in school, husband is back at work, family stuff is underway and under control, and her little pony is apparently missing Scottie and me something fierce. Hooray for me! I wondered if we might incorporate all our tricks into one fantastic lesson - tooth paste, scarves and spanking, and was met with an enthusiastic yes. She even hinted that she might have a few more ideas, but what those could be I can't, at this point, fathom. I may have to double up on my meds, Good Lord! I'll be sure to file a report. I enquired after the current freckle count, and apparently I will just have to tally then myself! Giddy up, I say!

On a final note, I'm glad to see so many new, and active, brothers contributing to what must surely be the best thread on the entire site. Some guys have tried to get something similar going up in my neck of the woods, but they are concentrating solely on CL and BP, and so are only scoring hookers pretending to be babies, if that.

Keep up the good work, my friends, and Nando, sorry to hear how things stand for you at the moment, but glad to see you posting again. There aren't that many of us old members still reporting to the clubhouse it seems, but maybe that's the way of things. Who knows?

I will do my best to accumulate valuable and contributory information and experiences in the coming months.

Peace,

S

It's good to see so many newbies and great reports. I love this thread, we actually tend to help each other out. My activities have been all over the place. Currently working on one Coed-Cutie. 21 hot body be cups and cute bottom. M&G went great, a 2 hour breakfast at a nice hideaway spot. Her monthly damage amount is very reasonable, especially if I can actually see her once a month. We have date #2 setup this week. Dinner / Movie and prob a little making out to keep my night reasonable. .

I have another 30yr old SB who is definitely the young MILF type. Nice rack and cute body. I'll be seeing her 2 to 4 days a month. I've already had the TiggaBounce with her from the first M&G. Great attitude and wonderful personality. I'll be keeping her around for a while. Damage is also minimum there.

I met one on SA and one on sddie.

Here is a quick cut and paste to save a little time. When the girls are pushing for answers early on. Please change the words so we all don't sound like a bunch of robots. I don't so the endless emails and txting. I try to KISS as much as possible prior to a m&g.

"so, as to what kind of an arrangement am I looking for. Until we get to know each other it's impossible to say and too premature to think about. I have had a # of first dates off this site and a few that led to something more (monthly allowances). So anything is possible with the right person."

Or.

"if I met someone and we really liked each other, then it could turn into something more. I have been meeting people off this site for some time now and a few times it did get serious (monthly allowance). So I guess anything is possible."

Please reword for your own use. And have fun

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy; 1553685]Here is a quick cut and paste to save a little time. When the girls are pushing for answers early on. Please change the words so we all don't sound like a bunch of robots. I don't so the endless emails and txting. I try to KISS as much as possible prior to a m&g.

"so, as to what kind of an arrangement am I looking for. Until we get to know each other it's impossible to say and too premature to think about. I have had a # of first dates off this site and a few that led to something more (monthly allowances). So anything is possible with the right person."

Or.

"if I met someone and we really liked each other, then it could turn into something more. I have been meeting people off this site for some time now and a few times it did get serious (monthly allowance). So I guess anything is possible."

Please reword for your own use. And have fun[/QUOTE]Good spelling doesn't hurt either.

I am getting quite a lot of responds from GPS (after getting on SA for 2 days).

Here are some of my encounters on pot SBs (GPS) :

- 23 yrs hot blonde: responds w/$$$$$-$$$$$$$ per visit. I responded w / my budget. She was willing to low it down due to "tough time", but still not within my budget, and she can't host (more $$ on me). Responded to reiterate my budget. She also told me that no need to dinner or outing. (sounds like an escort to me)

- 37 yrs blonde: long responds explaining to me that the norm is $$$$$k to $$$$$$$k per month. Speechless.

- 24 yrs hot blonde: responds starting w/ (previous arrangement was $k per visit) and asking what I have in mind. I actually just ignored her.

- 28 yrs asian: exchanged some text, and told me,"I can tell you now I'm not cheap hon when it comes to arrangement".

- 22 yrs hot blonde: responds w/$$k-$$$k a month. I am getting tired to respond.

- 38 yrs hot MILF: responds w/$.2k to $.5k a month. I responded w/"allowance per date" type, and reiterated my budget.

Many GPS. Need to keep my little head out of all of those discussion.

Met this one on SD4me. And there are a lot of non pros on those sites. But not this one. Total pro. But her spinner body. 5.6. 103 lbs got my attention and kept my attention for the full hour. The pros (no pun intended). Hollywood area. Drove to my house. Big juicy pierced clit. Total spinner body. Came fast from the DATY. The cons. Loosened up a bit after she came. No DFK. And nothing uncovered. Kind of a toothy smile. But a nice girl. May repeat one day. Not sure. Total damage $. Not sb materiel

My brothers,

At the risk of getting tossed out of the club, I feel I must weigh in on the recent turn some posts to the Logbook have taken. In my opinion, the thing that separates this thread from all the others on the site that I am familiar with is that it is not just a "notching post", but a real forum for the exchange of knowledge, experience, wisdom gained in the trenches, and yes, anecdotes of successes and failures, all in the pursuit of that most elusive of quarries, the true sugar baby.

Now before some of you start to compose your replies that "isn't it all pay-for-play, even in marriage", I just don't want to walk down that alley at this point. Let's agree to disagree on that.

But if you are knowingly bagging a pro, no matter where you have met her, your report just isn't helpful, in my opinion. I think any one of us is familiar with the procedure, and the reason most of us are here, and not on the many "escort report" threads, is that we are looking for something more rarified - fly fishing vs bait casting, if you will. Again, this is my own approach, and a wide open blog such as this is a living, evolving thing, so it may just be evolving away from my particular viewpoint. If that is the case, so be it. However, as I said, I think this is the most literate, informative, helpful and insightful place on the site, and I for one would love to see it stay that way.

I realize I have exposed the throat, as it were, with what I have written, so if you disagree with my opinion, have at it. It's only cyberspace, after all.

Peace,

Scott

[QUOTE=F Scott; 1554436]My brothers,

At the risk of getting tossed out of the club, I feel I must weigh in on the recent turn some posts to the Logbook have taken. In my opinion, the thing that separates this thread from all the others on the site that I am familiar with is that it is not just a "notching post", but a real forum for the exchange of knowledge, experience, wisdom gained in the trenches, and yes, anecdotes of successes and failures, all in the pursuit of that most elusive of quarries, the true sugar baby.

Scott[/QUOTE]Scotty, I agree, a Course modification is needed, where is Subcmdr's sonar to direct us into the right lane?

I am staying on the old course, of not bagging pro's, and if I would do so, it has no space in this log here.

We all know about GPS syndrome and please no need to come up with mountains of data you encountered. Commander running silent again?

I am on full warp again, encountering many planets, which do take time to explore, but most are not the right M class planets.

Scanning over the personal logs of the last star dates I see a few members of the crew who seem to go for quantity. It seems they are very interested in making notches. That is probably a function of age, younger than me, but just reporting notches here, even though it is good for that crew members ego, does not really help with the journey we make to find the perfect sb, the one who is fairly long term.

Just keep the 'notch post' for your local boards just as we sometimes find great sb on craigslist or the back page, these quick conquests should be on the mentioned on the local boards.

Lets try not to clutter the logs here.

Give me a bit more engine power Scotty.

F Scott,

"I disagree strongly with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." Voltaire.

SubCmdr out.

[QUOTE=F Scott; 1554436]My brothers,

At the risk of getting tossed out of the club, I feel I must weigh in on the recent turn some posts to the Logbook have taken. In my opinion, the thing that separates this thread from all the others on the site that I am familiar with is that it is not just a "notching post", but a real forum for the exchange of knowledge, experience, wisdom gained in the trenches, and yes, anecdotes of successes and failures, all in the pursuit of that most elusive of quarries, the true sugar baby.

Now before some of you start to compose your replies that "isn't it all pay-for-play, even in marriage", I just don't want to walk down that alley at this point. Let's agree to disagree on that.

But if you are knowingly bagging a pro, no matter where you have met her, your report just isn't helpful, in my opinion. I think any one of us is familiar with the procedure, and the reason most of us are here, and not on the many "escort report" threads, is that we are looking for something more rarified. Fly fishing vs bait casting, if you will. Again, this is my own approach, and a wide open blog such as this is a living, evolving thing, so it may just be evolving away from my particular viewpoint. If that is the case, so be it. However, as I said, I think this is the most literate, informative, helpful and insightful place on the site, and I for one would love to see it stay that way.

I realize I have exposed the throat, as it were, with what I have written, so if you disagree with my opinion, have at it. It's only cyberspace, after all.

Peace,

Scott[/QUOTE]

Scotty and other "master" bros,

Sorry about my post. Will tune down my report and try to report useful info instead of logbook type. Probably will make another mistake, and please feel free to correct me and ask me to shut up.

Trainee Dog

[QUOTE=F Scott; 1554436]My brothers,

At the risk of getting tossed out of the club, I feel I must weigh in on the recent turn some posts to the Logbook have taken. In my opinion, the thing that separates this thread from all the others on the site that I am familiar with is that it is not just a "notching post", but a real forum for the exchange of knowledge, experience, wisdom gained in the trenches, and yes, anecdotes of successes and failures, all in the pursuit of that most elusive of quarries, the true sugar baby.

Now before some of you start to compose your replies that "isn't it all pay-for-play, even in marriage", I just don't want to walk down that alley at this point. Let's agree to disagree on that.

But if you are knowingly bagging a pro, no matter where you have met her, your report just isn't helpful, in my opinion. I think any one of us is familiar with the procedure, and the reason most of us are here, and not on the many "escort report" threads, is that we are looking for something more rarified. Fly fishing vs bait casting, if you will. Again, this is my own approach, and a wide open blog such as this is a living, evolving thing, so it may just be evolving away from my particular viewpoint. If that is the case, so be it. However, as I said, I think this is the most literate, informative, helpful and insightful place on the site, and I for one would love to see it stay that way.

I realize I have exposed the throat, as it were, with what I have written, so if you disagree with my opinion, have at it. It's only cyberspace, after all.

Peace,

Scott[/QUOTE]

Bros,

Please bear w / me if this does not fit this thread. I am still a newbie on this.

Had my first M&G, and things are going into a right direction. Need some comment / advice from bros here w. Are. T this SB. Texted w / the SB at night, and she was flirting w / me a bit and sent a nude pic to me. I then asked about uncovered BJ and asked her whether she can show me her test result. (I usually go w / all covered, but would like BBBJ if possible. Just me being chicken.) She said that she tested regularly, but last test was several months ago and no print out. She then said she can go to get AIM test if I pay. (I googled AIM, and it stands for Adult Industry Medical). After that, several questions came to mind: Was she in the Adult Industry before? Or Was she like a semi-pro?

Would like to hear some comment from experts here.

[QUOTE=F Scott; 1554436]My brothers,

At the risk of getting tossed out of the club, I feel I must weigh in on the recent turn some posts to the Logbook have taken. In my opinion, the thing that separates this thread from all the others on the site that I am familiar with is that it is not just a "notching post", but a real forum for the exchange of knowledge, experience, wisdom gained in the trenches, and yes, anecdotes of successes and failures, all in the pursuit of that most elusive of quarries, the true sugar baby.

Now before some of you start to compose your replies that "isn't it all pay-for-play, even in marriage", I just don't want to walk down that alley at this point. Let's agree to disagree on that.

But if you are knowingly bagging a pro, no matter where you have met her, your report just isn't helpful, in my opinion. I think any one of us is familiar with the procedure, and the reason most of us are here, and not on the many "escort report" threads, is that we are looking for something more rarified. Fly fishing vs bait casting, if you will. Again, this is my own approach, and a wide open blog such as this is a living, evolving thing, so it may just be evolving away from my particular viewpoint. If that is the case, so be it. However, as I said, I think this is the most literate, informative, helpful and insightful place on the site, and I for one would love to see it stay that way.

I realize I have exposed the throat, as it were, with what I have written, so if you disagree with my opinion, have at it. It's only cyberspace, after all.

Peace,

Scott[/QUOTE]My last post was with a girl that represented herself a sb. But turned out to be a pro. Being she was 21 I thought I might have a chance. As far as my philosophy on mining for gold. Like my old boss used to say. If you have a lot of quantity there is going to be some quality in there. So out of the last 80+ girls I have interviewed in the prior 12 months there were a few 100% true non-pros. Total sb materiel. And those are the ones I spend the big money on.

But my time is limited and so after maybe 1 to 5 emails I go to a meet. For me this is more cost effective overall. I am not into a big pre-screening process. Also my experience is you can never know if you have chemistry or a non pro with out a face to face meet so to speak. And even if it isn't sb materiel its still a roll in the hay. Also posting the fake non pros helps keep someone else away from them. If a true sb is what they are looking for. I have been the "first" a few times. And always strive for that. So really there is no disagreement here.

And I have posted some tricks of the trade in my posts so far and will continue to do so. All feedback is welcome. Love this place.

[QUOTE=Dog Rice; 1555048]Bros,

Please bear w / me if this does not fit this thread. I am still a newbie on this.

Had my first M&G, and things are going into a right direction. Need some comment / advice from bros here w. Are. T this SB. Texted w / the SB at night, and she was flirting w / me a bit and sent a nude pic to me. I then asked about uncovered BJ and asked her whether she can show me her test result. (I usually go w / all covered, but would like BBBJ if possible. Just me being chicken.) She said that she tested regularly, but last test was several months ago and no print out. She then said she can go to get AIM test if I pay. (I googled AIM, and it stands for Adult Industry Medical). After that, several questions came to mind: Was she in the Adult Industry before? Or Was she like a semi-pro?

Would like to hear some comment from experts here.[/QUOTE]Don't talk about sex before a m&g. We are all adults. And its going to happen anyway if its meant to be. I like to focus on something a little softer to start. A shared interest of some sort. Like kissing.

My friends,

Just a quick note to alert you that Polo and I resume our lessons a week from today. She has reserved a room at our favorite stables, sent me some very compromising pictures were she ever to seek public office, and has briefly outlined the lesson plan: a quick review of all we learned last season, plus, as promised, a few new tricks which she apparently feels I am ready for, skill-wise. She is willing to abide by my one request - no spanking of me - and insists that I will be more than pleased. She has also demanded that I block out the hours between 11 and 3, which is longer than we normally ride, so I will need to start doing my calisthenics immediately if I am to survive.

Lastly, she says she has a gift for me, nothing major nor particularly expensive, (though I worry about what she considers "not particularly expensive") which puts me in a little bit of a quandry, and so I seek the Collected Wisdom. Do I wait and see what it is, then reciprocate the next time we are together, or get her something as well, and run the risk of showing up with something below her pay grade? Or not reciprocate at all, at least right away? I know I am overthinking this, but I have to admit to being genuinely touched, especially since my contribution to her "mad money" is laughable, all things considered.

What does a Boy Toy do in this kind of situation?

We have one week to construct a strategy.

All ears,

Scott

[QUOTE=Dog Rice; 1555048]Bros,

Texted w / the SB at night, and she was flirting w / me a bit and sent a nude pic to me. I then asked about uncovered BJ and asked her whether she can show me her test result. She said that she tested regularly, but last test was several months ago and no print out. She then said she can go to get AIM test if I pay. (I googled AIM, and it stands for Adult Industry Medical). After that, several questions came to mind: Was she in the Adult Industry before? Or Was she like a semi-pro?[/QUOTE]Dog,

In my opinion you jumped out too far and too fast, but more to the point, her reply, honestly, would give me pause to the point of severing negotiations. Whether she is in the Adult Industry or not, the fact that she apparently was not offended by your request, and did not tell you to go blow your [I]own[/I] sorry self, BB or not, makes me think that she is probably pro, or at least semi-pro. You should decide whether you want to go forward or not, (sometimes an itch just needs to be scratched) but if it were me, I would not think it's going to lead to a warm and fuzzy ATF-type experience. A true amateur SB would have dropped you like a used condom after your requests.

Hang in there, polish your game, never give up, and read the forum. The amount of wisdom here is staggering.

Scott

[QUOTE=F Scott;1554436]At the risk of getting tossed out of the club, I feel I must weigh in on the recent turn some posts to the Logbook have taken. In my opinion, the thing that separates this thread from all the others on the site that I am familiar with is that it is not just a "notching post", but a real forum for the exchange of knowledge, experience, wisdom gained in the trenches, and yes, anecdotes of successes and failures, all in the pursuit of that most elusive of quarries, the true sugar baby.[/QUOTE]At the risk eliciting "eff off, newb" comments, I'm going to agree with the sentiment, but mostly disagree that the forum has turned into a "notching" one. Sure, there is an element of bragging to virtually all of the posts I've seen (and I'm not excluding my own in that opinion) , but none that I've seen lately that seem to be [i]only [/i]bragging.

The comment about seeing someone that one knows is a non-pro is pertinent, but relating a story about someone representing themselves as such and then discovering the truth is also completely appropriate, in my opinion.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;1554649]"I disagree strongly with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." Voltaire.[/QUOTE]While I also agree with that sentiment, I don't think he was calling for any kind of censorship, except for the voluntary, self-imposed variety. He was just stating his preferences for what he wanted to see on this particular section of the site.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1555147]And I have posted some tricks of the trade in my posts so far and will continue to do so. All feedback is welcome. Love this place.[/QUOTE]HG, I've been watching some of the LA non-pro threads on which you post for a couple of months, and while the focus there, in my opinion, is somewhat different from the one here, I for one don't view some of those experiences as out of line here. Obviously, my opinion is coloured by my own experience, but even though I understand the term "sugar baby" to indicate a longer term relationship than some of the posters on those threads do, I recognize that others might not see eye to eye with me on that score, and there's nothing wrong with that. If one craves variety, I don't see any problem with calling that person a "sugar daddy" even if the longest he's ever seen someone is a month. LOL. As well, is a one-time encounter an example of a sugar baby? Maybe not [i]after [/i]the fact, but if one is pursuing a longer term thing, an examination of the shorter ones can be instructive.

I'm not sure where on the longevity spectrum my three year relationship falls, but I suspect it's one of the longer ones, at least as experienced by those I've seen posting here, but the reality is that it will end at some point, for any of a gajillion reasons pertaining to either of us, and at that point, I'm likely to be looking for another SB. Pretty much all examples of attempts at finding new SBs, successes and failures, interest me.

[QUOTE=F Scott;1555287]Lastly, she says she has a gift for me, nothing major nor particularly expensive, (though I worry about what she considers "not particularly expensive") which puts me in a little bit of a quandry, and so I seek the Collected Wisdom. Do I wait and see what it is, then reciprocate the next time we are together, or get her something as well, and run the risk of showing up with something below her pay grade?[/QUOTE]

Gifts can be touchy. Personally, I would wait and see what she gives you. If she seems put out that you didn't bring anything, which she might, given that she [i]told [/i]you she was bringing something, then your reason (not excuse) is that you've been wracking your brain for something appropriate, but couldn't think of anything, and that you'd hoped for inspiration during your meet-up.

[noparse]/[/noparse]z

[QUOTE=F Scott;1555287]Lastly, she says she has a gift for me, nothing major nor particularly expensive, (though I worry about what she considers "not particularly expensive") which puts me in a little bit of a quandry, and so I seek the Collected Wisdom. Do I wait and see what it is, then reciprocate the next time we are together, or get her something as well, and run the risk of showing up with something below her pay grade?[/QUOTE]Gifts can be touchy. Personally, I would wait and see what she gives you. If she seems put out that you didn't bring anything, which she might, given that she [i]told [/i]you she was bringing something, then your reason (not excuse) is that you've been wracking your brain for something appropriate, but couldn't think of anything, and that you'd hoped for inspiration during your meet-up.

[noparse]/[/noparse]z

Thank you Scotty.

Tried to be efficient to get going. The little dog is in hurry especially from the escort world. Will get him cool down. Thanks again!

[QUOTE=F Scott; 1555296]Dog,

In my opinion you jumped out too far and too fast, but more to the point, her reply, honestly, would give me pause to the point of severing negotiations. Whether she is in the Adult Industry or not, the fact that she apparently was not offended by your request, and did not tell you to go blow your [I]own[/I] Sorry self, BB or not, makes me think that she is probably pro, or at least semi-pro. You should decide whether you want to go forward or not, (sometimes an itch just needs to be scratched) but if it were me, I would not think it's going to lead to a warm and fuzzy ATF-type experience. A true amateur SB would have dropped you like a used condom after your requests.

Hang in there, Polish your game, never give up, and read the forum. The amount of wisdom here is staggering.

Scott[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Zomby;1555316]At the risk eliciting "eff off, newb" comments[/QUOTE]Z,

We were all newbies once, and I would argue that we all can continue to learn. Your comment about everyone bragging, to a degree, is well taken. What is my post about Polo except unabashed crowing? No one cannot benefit from a re-focusing, reality check from time to time.

As for your 3 year ride with your ATF SB, it absolutely ranks up there at the top of the list. Congrats to you, my brother! I sincerely hope you can keep it going, but know that if it ends, we are here to help you get your shit back together.

Keep up the good work,

Scott

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1555283]Don't talk about sex before a m&g. We are all adults. And its going to happen anyway if its meant to be. I like to focus on something a little softer to start. A shared interest of some sort. Like kissing.[/QUOTE]HG,

That's great advice but how do you execute it in daily operations? I get asked all of the time,"What do I have to do for the $?" I tell them they don't have to do anything. But, I'm looking for adult companionship. They always want to pin me down on the specifics. They initiate the sexual conversation. And then after we get into it, I get the"Well I need X # of $ in order to do that."

Always looking to improve my tactics.

SubCmdr out

[QUOTE=SubCmdr; 1555524]HG,

That's great advice but how do you execute it in daily operations? I get asked all of the time,"What do I have to do for the $?" I tell them they don't have to do anything. But, I'm looking for adult companionship. They always want to pin me down on the specifics. They initiate the sexual conversation. And then after we get into it, I get the"Well I need X # of $ in order to do that."

Always looking to improve my tactics.

SubCmdr out[/QUOTE]I always tell the girls I will be more than happy with a HJ on the first date. How many hot girls can go on a date and get all worked up only to give the guy a HJ in the end? Not many. So really what ends up happening is they beg to give you some oral or just go all the way. About 75% of the time I get it all on the first date. And if it takes a second date. I don't care. I have had some awesome sex that didn't involve intercourse. And I think there is sometimes too much pressure for everyone on a first date to perform. Take away the pressure. You know like in sales. And what happens. Everyone relaxes and has a good time. The girls see this as respectful and usually end up showing their gratitude. Also. They see this as very mature. And thats what they all want. Not the younger guy I got to have it now or I. Ll die attitude.

Also if you have a lighter date in the daytime it can be a good warm up before seeing a regular. And then really giving it to her good. And if the light date gets heavy. Well in my case I may or may not have to cancel as I am basically a once a day guy most of the time. IMHO the supply (me) is way less than the demand (them). So why stress out?

Wow, there's a lot going on here the last day or so. Let me see what I can cover, and forgive me if I miss something. At the end, I'll add an anecdote of my own, along with my question of the day.

Talking about sex before a M&G: Maybe I've been lucky, but I've never had to specify exactly what I want at future meetings. And maybe it's the hopeless romantic in me (ha!), but I don't like the idea of it. After a few months in the game, I can usually tell if the girl is in tune with the nature of the SB world by the end of the first M&G. Sometimes they make it obvious; I met a girl this week who "isn't into providing sexual favors for money." Good for you, honey, but I'm not in the habit of giving an allowance for "time and companionship." I guess what I'm saying is that, in my experience, the ones who are willing to explicitly talk about sex without ever meeting you are more likely to be pros, UTR pros, or semi-pros. Just saying.

Gifts: Scott, I would wait and see what she gives you. Then, if you are so inclined, you have the opportunity to give considerable thought to a gift in return.

Dog Rice: You are new and excited, my friend. Take a moment to step back and think or even sleep on it. If it is meant to be, she'll still be wanting to meet you tomorrow. Talking about exchanging STD tests this early in your "relationship" indicates to me that she's too much business, not enough GFE. But maybe that's what you want. Given your statement about transitioning from the escort world, maybe that's not a bad thing. But tread carefully.

My world: I had a M&G with a 39yo (they're never 40 or 41, always 39, it seems) Asian baby tonight. Divorced, three kids, with more degrees (and probably more money) than I. She is very smart, very cute, and funny. Given her financial security, I think she's mainly looking for a boy toy to hang out with. Dinner was nice, and we wandered around the mall afterward. She wanted to go to Victoria's Secret to browse, which was promising, but they were closing as we walked by. So I walked her to my car so I could drive her to hers. We sat there and made out for a bit, and she asked me to go home with her. "Can't you spend the night with me?" isn't something I'm accustomed to hearing two hours after meeting someone.

"No," I said. "I have to be home soon."

"Just spend a couple hours with me."

It was tough, really tough, to say no. I had not arranged an extended work release with the warden, and my curfew was quickly approaching.

"Why can't you? Do you have a wife at home?"

She apparently had not carefully read my SA profile, which clearly says "married, but looking." She was visibly disappointed, and it was suddenly very chilly in the car. I see no point in lying to babies about this, and it would be hard to keep up the charade anyway. She politely thanked me for dinner and was on her way.

I've been texting her since we left, trying to gauge whether she wants to meet again. As she admits, she "really likes me." But I can tell she is reluctant to be involved with a married man. She wants to know she will be the only one I'm seeing on the side, as she is very "safe." The conversation is leading me to believe I still have a chance, but who knows? I really want to see her again, because, to paraphrase Wedding Crashers, she would have been my first Asian!

What should I do in the future to avoid this type of misunderstanding? Obviously, close the deal! But beside that, I'm thinking I need to ensure the pot is aware I'm married and is ok with that. How do you guys handle this? Because it's never been a problem for me before.

Great advices, HG and Cmdr.

Seems that some gals are pushing for amount (e. G, the 2nd sentence over our first phone call is the amount she got in her previous arrangement.) and some gals don't even ask before M&G.

What is your approach? Don't talk about sugar before M&G?

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy; 1555570]I always tell the girls I will be more than happy with a HJ on the first date. How many hot girls can go on a date and get all worked up only to give the guy a HJ in the end? Not many. So really what ends up happening is they beg to give you some oral or just go all the way. About 75% of the time I get it all on the first date. And if it takes a second date. I don't care. I have had some awesome sex that didn't involve intercourse. And I think there is sometimes too much pressure for everyone on a first date to perform. Take away the pressure. You know like in sales. And what happens. Everyone relaxes and has a good time. The girls see this as respectful and usually end up showing their gratitude. Also. They see this as very mature. And thats what they all want. Not the younger guy I got to have it now or I. Ll die attitude.

Also if you have a lighter date in the daytime it can be a good warm up before seeing a regular. And then really giving it to her good. And if the light date gets heavy. Well in my case I may or may not have to cancel as I am basically a once a day guy most of the time. IMHO the supply (me) is way less than the demand (them). So why stress out?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JoesParty; 1555576]Wow, there's a lot going on here the last day or so. Let me see what I can cover, and forgive me if I miss something. At the end, I'll add an anecdote of my own, along with my question of the day.

What should I do in the future to avoid this type of misunderstanding? Obviously, close the deal! But beside that, I'm thinking I need to ensure the pot is aware I'm married and is ok with that. How do you guys handle this? Because it's never been a problem for me before.[/QUOTE]Honesty is the best policy. Really.

I am single but have about 6 regulars. And they all know about each other. Competition keeps them on their toes. I hate that phrase "spoiled rotten". Because if you do that its just like spoiled fruit. You don't want it anymore. Remember you are giving them the BFE. Make them work for it.

The last girl I broke up with suddenly started deep throating when she saw the handwriting on the wall. Make up sex can be the best sex ever. It's good to break up with them once in a while or ignore them. They have to know they are not the only game in town. The # of babes is way way more than the # of daddies. Never forget that.

[QUOTE=JoesParty;1555576]Talking about sex before a M&G: Maybe I've been lucky, but I've never had to specify exactly what I want at future meetings. And maybe it's the hopeless romantic in me (ha!), but I don't like the idea of it. After a few months in the game, I can usually tell if the girl is in tune with the nature of the SB world by the end of the first M&G. Sometimes they make it obvious; I met a girl this week who "isn't into providing sexual favors for money." Good for you, honey, but I'm not in the habit of giving an allowance for "time and companionship." I guess what I'm saying is that, in my experience, the ones who are willing to explicitly talk about sex without ever meeting you are more likely to be pros, UTR pros, or semi-pros. Just saying[/QUOTE]Joe,

Thank you for the perspective. Interestingly enough, I don't ever wind up meeting with the "explicit sex talkers" cause I scare them off with my requests for kinky sex or the fact that I'm not giving out much sugar. I never thought about that fact that I'm not really talking to "true SB's" (that is if there is such a thing) because I come from the lifestyle world. In the lifestyle world it's not unusual to discuss details of the encounter you are looking for before meeting. (I. E. Husband talking about his wife: "I'll be watching from the closet. She likes her hair pulled, ass slapping and to be verbally degraded. Condoms for penetration. But no ass fucking, she saves that for me.") My best experiences have been with SB's when our expectations have been stated very generally.

As for the married part, you are going to run into this anytime you treat your SB like a girlfriend. Honesty is the best policy. But we are human beings. Not everyone can fake it. Sometimes the experience is real! My current ATF knew I was married. But she is too. But separated and getting a divorce. (Actually I will probably end up in the same place). She told me early on that it was the first time she was involved with married man. Last night as I was walking her to her to her car in the mall parking lot while holding hands she says: "I got on the web site because I was ready for something different. I had no idea I would start a new relationship with someone I met there." Life happens!

Your pot baby is making the adjustment. Give her time. She will either get comfortable with the idea or she will not. Stay with it. There is nothing but upside for you!

SubCmdr out.

P. S. You lucky dog! I love Asian women. Never had one myself. I got a bad case of "pussy envy" just reading your story.

Scotty, the only gift you need to give her is your dick. Whan a girl wants to gift you enjoy the sentiment and don't feel like a reciprocation is necessary. It sounds like she will bring a little sex toy or something mutually enjoyable I would think.

I'm week 2 into SDFM cruising and have sent 20 ems and have only 2 responses so far. One is a 19 yr old college girl who is interested in chatting and the other is a 20 yr old. So wish me luck

As to the ongoing drama of my HCB, I am in the same boat as you Scotty. She has dropped me like a hot potato thanks to the W's slash and burn maneuver. She salted the earth and I don't think we will recover, but I'm still trying until the fat lady sings.

Listen to your SB's gentlemen. They will tell you what is important to them. Then tie your cash to these important items. Anything that you provide that they are not getting else where is some thing that is going to be important to them and build the most valuable of intangibles 'goodwill'. Take my ATF for example. She initially meets me with peep toe shoes on. I have a mild foot / leg fetish so that works for me. During the action I'm taking her shoes off and she is self conscious about feet tell me she has not gotten her nails done and she prefers to have color on them. I'm moving up looking for the party favors at this point, but I make a mental note. The next morning I ask how much does it cost to get your nails done. She says: 'I don't know. ' That is a little white lie but I'll go with it. Here is $40 is that going to be enough? She give me a coy smile and nod. She then asks me what colors do I like. We talk about many different colors and finally tell her to pick something and surprise me. And I tell her to make sure to send me a picture.

By our next date I have not received a picture. What is the first thing she shows off when we see each other? That's right her nails. And she just had them done the afternoon of our date (so she says). The point of this story is just like all women in our lives it is the little things that count. A little 'goodwill' will get you deeper and longer in the pussy than a lot of money!

Now not everyone can or wants to roll like the Cmdr rolls. And it's all good. But if this is fly fishing please consider this one of my knot tying techniques that has worked for me.

SubCmdr out

[QUOTE=JoesParty;1555576]What should I do in the future to avoid this type of misunderstanding? Obviously, close the deal! But beside that, I'm thinking I need to ensure the pot is aware I'm married and is ok with that. How do you guys handle this? Because it's never been a problem for me before.[/QUOTE]Timely post. I actually planned to talk about this very subject.

On my SA profile I clearly state I'm married and within the actual text of the profile I mention it again and that I'm looking for a "discreet" relationship. This definitely cuts down on the responses I receive. Some SBs have a problem with it morally or they're worried about the possible drama, which might come their way. Also I've noticed Asian SBs tend to be more reluctant to see married men than most in my experience.

Even still I generally believe in full disclosure when it comes to this. I need the SB on day one to understand the need for discretion. By mentioning these things in my profile, I generally get responses from SBs who are already prepared for a "Behind Closed Doors" arrangement. Also they would figure it out that I'm married/attached pretty soon when I never answer their voice calls, never invite them to my place, or by my very restrictive schedule. And believe it or not I don't like lying, so I try to keep it to a minimum. I think an arrangement is less stressful when both parties know exactly what they're dealing with.

That said, I am running an experiment on SD4Me. I'm saying I'm divorced on my profile to hopefully improve the initial response rate and to avoid the marriage predators. Then once I begin discussions, I mention I'm in the "process" of getting divorced so things aren't finalized and I still need to be somewhat discreet.

The downside to disclosing you're married is that it opens you up to blackmail by psychos. After my recent psycho experience earlier this month, I'm trying to figure out if there is a different approach to handling this. A way to explain the need for discretion while also avoiding SBs thinking they have the "I'm going to tell your wife!" card in their back pocket.

Tricky stuff.

John,

I can share some of my experience here. Before entering the Sugar Bowl this week and before escort world (previous and still overlapping w / my Sugar experience) , I have been hunting down freebies in various dating sites mainly during international travel. Occasionally, got some in US. Took a lot of time since is dating, but the return could be very high (True GFE and a lot of passion). Some of the oversea ones are truly freebies. (they setup hotel, trip, . Etc). .

Of course, the downside is the stress (such as: why can't we go to your home? Let's stay overnight somewhere? Asking me to go to fu. K at midnight? Calling me like crazy). I got some crazy gal calling me from oversea every 2 hours for several days. The stress was so high that I decided to get out of that world. Lying sucks. (learned my lesson). Now, I stick w / honesty.

After reading your story about some psycho, I will try to disclose as tiny info to SB (when I get one) as possible.

[QUOTE=John G Smith; 1556242]Timely post. I actually planned to talk about this very subject.

On my SA profile I clearly state I'm married and within the actual text of the profile I mention it again and that I'm looking for a "discreet" relationship. This definitely cuts down on the responses I receive. Some SBs have a problem with it morally or they're worried about the possible drama, which might come their way. Also I've noticed Asian SBs tend to be more reluctant to see married men than most in my experience.

Even still I generally believe in full disclosure when it comes to this. I need the SB on day one to understand the need for discretion. By mentioning these things in my profile, I generally get responses from SBs who are already prepared for a "Behind Closed Doors" arrangement. Also they would figure it out that I'm married / attached pretty soon when I never answer their voice calls, never invite them to my place, or by my very restrictive schedule. And believe it or not I don't like lying, so I try to keep it to a minimum. I think an arrangement is less stressful when both parties know exactly what they're dealing with.

That said, I am running an experiment on SD4Me. I'm saying I'm divorced on my profile to hopefully improve the initial response rate and to avoid the marriage predators. Then once I begin discussions, I mention I'm in the "process" of getting divorced so things aren't finalized and I still need to be somewhat discreet.

The downside to disclosing you're married is that it opens you up to blackmail by psychos. After my recent psycho experience earlier this month, I'm trying to figure out if there is a different approach to handling this. A way to explain the need for discretion while also avoiding SBs thinking they have the "I'm going to tell your wife!" card in their back pocket.

Tricky stuff.[/QUOTE]

I'm just venting. I've set up initial M&Gs with two pots from the same town about an hour away for each of the past two weeks. The first was a no-show. The second has been communicating with me today, the day of our meeting, but only on a sporadic basis. We agreed to meet closer to me, so I'll show up at the appointed time, but I honestly have no idea if #2 will show either.

How hard is it, really, to respond in a timely manner to simple questions? To confirm our meeting place?

Perhaps I ask too much, but I hope not. If this one doesn't show, I'm writing off the entire town.

Vent over. We now return to our regularly-scheduled programming.

Edit to add: She just canceled. At least she did it before we were to meet, but at this point, I think it's best to focus my time on the more responsive babies.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr; 1556121]Now not everyone can or wants to roll like the Cmdr rolls. And it's all good. But if this is fly fishing please consider this one of my knot tying techniques that has worked for me.

SubCmdr out[/QUOTE]Commander,

I Laughed Out Loud when I read this! Right on, my brother, and I will be sure to add it to my tackle box! Isn't this a great world we have chosen? Plus, I kinda love coral pink toenails myself.

Permission to leave the bridge,

Scott

I got the same treatment today. Setup M&Gs w / 2 pots today. Confirming w / them (via text) several hours ago, and man just not responding. At the end, I texted them that I assume the meeting is cancelled unless I got a confirmation back. (of course, in a nicer wording). Both got cancelled. Is wearing me out a bit. I am slowing down. .

[QUOTE=JoesParty; 1556312]I'm just venting. I've set up initial M&Gs with two pots from the same town about an hour away for each of the past two weeks. The first was a no-show. The second has been communicating with me today, the day of our meeting, but only on a sporadic basis. We agreed to meet closer to me, so I'll show up at the appointed time, but I honestly have no idea if #2 will show either.

How hard is it, really, to respond in a timely manner to simple questions? To confirm our meeting place?

Perhaps I ask too much, but I hope not. If this one doesn't show, I'm writing off the entire town.

Vent over. We now return to our regularly-scheduled programming.

Edit to add: She just canceled. At least she did it before we were to meet, but at this point, I think it's best to focus my time on the more responsive babies.[/QUOTE]

Well I haven't posted on this forum for a while but have been testing the waters off and on with SA over the past 8 months or so with some level of success. I have not yet found anything close enough to call my ATF and to convince me to be monogamous just yet, but have been with several SBs more than a few times and have to admit it is a fun and rewarding sport. Most of my contacts have been in the 19 to 26 yr old range and most have been fairly normal girls just looking for a little extra cash and a good time. But the sex has just been OK so far and nothing really good enough to post about.

One story worth sharing, however, it a young AA girl that I met almost 6 months ago now. She was just 18 then (19 now) and told me she was taking some college courses but I always thought that was a little suspicious. She never talked about school and never answered questions about her courses, always just changing the subject when I asked her about it. When we first met, she was very shy, but did not hesitate to agree to the FC on only the second date. We met off and on about every 1-2 weeks for a couple of months. At first she would allow almost anything but full penetration was almost impossible. I don't think she was a virgin, but she was certainly unexperienced and tight in every way imaginable. She gave a good BBBJ, enjoyed DATY, and really liked deep FK and making out. I was pretty smitten by her youth and innocence for the first several times that we met.

Of course, the newness of it all wore off pretty fast and after a couple of months, she was more and more obvious about just wanting some cash and ending the date as soon as possible. She finally rushed me through so fast one night that I just said F__k it and decided not to see her again. I have given in a couple of times since then, but the performance has been marginal at best and she even told me once that she "didn't suck dick anymore and really didn't like DATY anyway". I used her as only a backup for a few more months, but she continues to txt me off and on trying to continue the sugar as long as possible. She finally moved out of her mothers house to a place of her own, and each txt message is getting more and more desperate, even though its been several months now since we have seen each other. At this point, I'm pretty sure she is completely on her own. 19 years old, no means of support, and no school ambitions whatsoever. She texted me recently with this message:

"Hey- I got a new number I misss you so much lets meet up tomrrow and have fun for a couple of hours have sex eat me and ill suck your dick the whole me not liking it thing was a joke I love oral LOL but pllllleeeaassee ill even wear the pink thing you gave me. Please don't make me beg for the money I really need it right now it doesn't have to be a lot but you should help me because I'm asking and giving you something in return."

I'm running as fast as possible away from this desperate one. Too bad she went down hill so fast. She seemed like a keeper at one time.

Keep up all of the great posts. It's the first thing I read each morning.

[QUOTE=Hsrams; 1556483]Well I haven't posted on this forum for a while but have been testing the waters off and on with SA over the past 8 months or so with some level of success. I have not yet found anything close enough to call my ATF and to convince me to be monogamous just yet, but have been with several SBs more than a few times and have to admit it is a fun and rewarding sport. Most of my contacts have been in the 19 to 26 yr old range and most have been fairly normal girls just looking for a little extra cash and a good time. But the sex has just been OK so far and nothing really good enough to post about.

One story worth sharing, however, it a young AA girl that I met almost 6 months ago now. She was just 18 then (19 now) and told me she was taking some college courses but I always thought that was a little suspicious. She never talked about school and never answered questions about her courses, always just changing the subject when I asked her about it. When we first met, she was very shy, but did not hesitate to agree to the FC on only the second date. We met off and on about every 1-2 weeks for a couple of months. At first she would allow almost anything but full penetration was almost impossible. I don't think she was a virgin, but she was certainly unexperienced and tight in every way imaginable. She gave a good BBBJ, enjoyed DATY, and really liked deep FK and making out. I was pretty smitten by her youth and innocence for the first several times that we met.

Of course, the newness of it all wore off pretty fast and after a couple of months, she was more and more obvious about just wanting some cash and ending the date as soon as possible. She finally rushed me through so fast one night that I just said F__k it and decided not to see her again. I have given in a couple of times since then, but the performance has been marginal at best and she even told me once that she "didn't suck dick anymore and really didn't like DATY anyway". I used her as only a backup for a few more months, but she continues to txt me off and on trying to continue the sugar as long as possible. She finally moved out of her mothers house to a place of her own, and each txt message is getting more and more desperate, even though its been several months now since we have seen each other. At this point, I'm pretty sure she is completely on her own. 19 years old, no means of support, and no school ambitions whatsoever. She texted me recently with this message:

"Hey- I got a new number I misss you so much lets meet up tomrrow and have fun for a couple of hours have sex eat me and ill suck your dick the whole me not liking it thing was a joke I love oral LOL but pllllleeeaassee ill even wear the pink thing you gave me. Please don't make me beg for the money I really need it right now it doesn't have to be a lot but you should help me because I'm asking and giving you something in return."

I'm running as fast as possible away from this desperate one. Too bad she went down hill so fast. She seemed like a keeper at one time.

Keep up all of the great posts. It's the first thing I read each morning.[/QUOTE]I agree; keep this one out of your life. I know from experience that if you give in, they will try to squeeze every last penny out of you.

Have to stop in and say thanks to the regulars that contribute here. I have been playing the sugar game for about a year and a half. I keep adjusting my strategies based on methods other posters have used with success. The knowledge that is shared here is priceless. In the past two months I have screened 50+ real email responses from M4W sections of Craigs List. I have had 4 meet and greets. Then finally I hit pay dirt this week, having spent 3 hours in a hotel with an absolutely stunning 21 yo, blonde, blue-eyed coed. Immediately following our first M&G. This was my first sugar experience since August of 2011. I do partake in well reviewed Back page girls, and have a few numbers of girls from the street that are good for a cheap quick fix.

However, I must admit that I am enamored at the idea of finding the true SB, of being her first SD. This for me is what makes the amount of work we must put in worthwhile. It's also the reason I am extremely picky of who I choose to play with. Keep up the good work guys.

WS

[QUOTE=Hsrams; 1556483]"Hey- I got a new number I misss you so much lets meet up tomrrow and have fun for a couple of hours have sex eat me and ill suck your dick the whole me not liking it thing was a joke I love oral LOL but pllllleeeaassee ill even wear the pink thing you gave me. Please don't make me beg for the money I really need it right now it doesn't have to be a lot but you should help me because I'm asking and giving you something in return."

I'm running as fast as possible away from this desperate one. Too bad she went down hill so fast. She seemed like a keeper at one time.[/QUOTE]I don't know man. (smh) I see opportunity in desperation! And there is value in a relationship. On average it costs a business 6 to 7 times the amount to get a new customer than to retain a current one. She has indicated to you that she is ready to become your personal garden tool. It's time for a drive by. Get you dick sucked in the back seat. Force her to deep throat. Bust in her mouth. Make her swallow! Give her standard tuition for a BJ. And tell her you are only into 68 now and you owe her one! If your really ambitious, turn her out if she needs more $. As I have stated before. She will either learn a new talent or resolve to manage her personal finances better. Either way you are still getting off. Cause we in this for the pussy we don't love the ho's. Right?

She has moved from Nando 1 status to Garden Tool with internet access. Personally I don't know why there is the hate in the forum against Nando 1's. As a class they are not all bad. That is where I have gotten some of my best down and dirty action. And personally I'd rather give my money to a woman who really needs it as opposed to some rich college girl spoiled by Daddy and too lazy to get off her ass and work three jobs like I did to get through college.

As for Garden Tools, they have their purpose also. I don't like to eat in Michelin rated restaurants all of the time. Sometimes I need some junk food. And if you are dealing with a garden tool (s) with internet access simply be aware and behave accordingly. (I. E. Don't let your guard down like I did.)

We work with dangerous chemicals in our homes all the time. Bathroom cleaners, lighter fluid and gasoline are some examples. But no one would suggest that we stop grilling because some idiot blew himself up over the July 4th by spraying lighter fluid into a grill with hot coals.

SubCmdr out

[QUOTE=WoodSlinger; 1556944]Have to stop in and say thanks to the regulars that contribute here. I have been playing the sugar game for about a year and a half. I keep adjusting my strategies based on methods other posters have used with success. The knowledge that is shared here is priceless. In the past two months I have screened 50+ real email responses from M4W sections of Craigs List. I have had 4 meet and greets. Then finally I hit pay dirt this week, having spent 3 hours in a hotel with an absolutely stunning 21 yo, blonde, blue-eyed coed. Immediately following our first M&G. This was my first sugar experience since August of 2011. I do partake in well reviewed Back page girls, and have a few numbers of girls from the street that are good for a cheap quick fix.

However, I must admit that I am enamored at the idea of finding the true SB, of being her first SD. This for me is what makes the amount of work we must put in worthwhile. It's also the reason I am extremely picky of who I choose to play with. Keep up the good work guys.

WS[/QUOTE]Brother Woodster (we already have a "Woody" - GuyWoodson) ,

Let me be the first of many to welcome you to the clubhouse. As you have already experienced, this is not the hobby for the corner-cutters nor the place to achieve quick results. They are an elusive and quixotic breed, these sugar babies, but if you are fortunate enough to land one, or two, the rewards are worth ten times the effort. Scroll back through the entire thread, take what advice you feel relevant, and leave the rest. Everyone on here has contributed valuable advice, gleaned from personal experience and hard work, so no one's comments should be dismissed lightly.

I think you will find that anyone here will be more than happy to share information and experieces with you, including our den baby, Mandy.

Good luck to you, and don't forget to write.

Scott