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[QUOTE=Monger01;3553644]I checked it out and really it's simple. The ones with no bank accounts (I know some that actually have bank accounts) simply buy a Visa gift card and load it on the BP bitcoin page. They don't have to join a bitcoin exchange or anything.
I see more posting now so I'd say they've figured it out.[/QUOTE]Or we'll find more of them on Craigslist.
I think that, yes, some will resort to both the street and / or Craig's list. The big problem for them though with that route is NO reviews that way.
A lot of guys won't see a girl who hasn't been reviewed fearing either a bad appt. , mugging / ripoff, or LEO.
Time will tell, but I'm assuming that most will soon 'figure it out' in regards to the coins.
[QUOTE=Stroker417;3553685]Or we'll find more of them on Craigslist.[/QUOTE]
Piemaster posted this in the Ann Arbor forum, and I was wondering about it myself. Anybody with any thoughts on how this could bite us in the ass? I still maintain that just because someone 'visits' a site (I. E. Fb, BP, etc.), or even messages someone and / or texts someone, that doesn't mean that they actually do anything that they shouldn't. Internet is free speech, and we're all just 'dreaming' about actual visits anyway, right?
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Social Media Required.
[QUOTE=Piemaster;3560637]Gentlemen,
I would like to discuss this new social media requirement the girls have, and take a moment for all to reflect the increased risks involved.
I know as a fact Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram all have backdoors Uncle LEO gets into in order to find and identify people, including seeing conversations and links from other website and pages said person visited. Any and all websites that have a link with such report back and log IP addresses. If you have none of the above you have less to worry about as the IP log isn't tied to an account or phone number. Unless you are visiting all these sites and BP with a proxy or VPN you don't eliminate identification with a simple request to your ISP. That isn't even need most of the time as location of an IP is gainable without in many instances. And then Uncle will come knocking.
Today, a "girl" asked me to send her one of the above accounts to "verify" I am a real person. I have no doubt in my mind it was my Uncle LEO trying to trick me again. If you want to know who, I'll send the link or phone number in a PM.
I would like as a result of this post for us to collectively post alternative sites to find our girls; it has become too risky now as they can straight identify.
Piemaster.[/QUOTE]
I totally agree with Girls1.
Piemaster has an interesting theory but I don't believe LE has the time and resources to follow and trap us for soliciting sex. LE does put alot of resources into finding drug dealers and trapping them. They could also get a good well known provider to set up drug dealers like Natalie / Bell in Kazoo. Bell was a member of this forum that posted LE's offer right on the Kalamazoo forum. They wanted her to help bust drug dealers. She informed us that she would not take their deal of eliminating charges in exchange for setting people up.
Drugs and underage girls is were LE is focused, our members are at risk everytime we enter a room where drugs or under age girls are being or sold.
If we are going to stay out of the dragnet or snare of LE, we all need to be more observant of our surroundings and report them on USASEXGUIDE for all our members benifit.
Our safety is the reason this forum exsits.
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Does anyone know of a girl / woman who may give topless haircuts?
[QUOTE=Lakeshore1;3564992]Does anyone know of a girl / woman who may give topless haircuts?[/QUOTE]I know an old barber who'll take his shirt off. Not a pretty site but ya get a great haircut!
Try Slim Tori. The one with her store next to the Dentist on Kalamazoo or Breton. I am sure someone has her digits. She is a masseuse and haircut specialist.
[QUOTE=Bloozer;3565326]I know an old barber who'll take his shirt off. Not a pretty site but ya get a great haircut![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=EdMonger;3565506]Try Slim Tori. The one with her store next to the Dentist on Kalamazoo or Breton. I am sure someone has her digits. She is a masseuse and haircut specialist.[/QUOTE]Sweet. I'd love to get her contact info.
Benz suggests taking this topic here so let's get started. I admit that I hate to negotiate so with escorts I will simply hangup or quit testing if they ask for more than I would consider. At a MP I also don't negotiate but I also don't make the girl guess how much tip I'm good for. I have had a several good appointments ruined by upsell and dickering. I usually go to MBD where they have clear tip jars where it is evident what you place there. I have had good experiences by putting my tip in the jar before the provider even enters the room. Everyone then knows what I expect and the provider knows what she will get. The contingency, at that point, is not whether I will tip but whether I will repeat. I respect Benz's point of view that the tip should only be paid after the service is complete, however, when you know the provider and the likely service, it seems only fair to put out what you will give so the provider knows how serious you are and will not try to upsell. At least that has been my experience.
[QUOTE=Otto22;3573733]Benz suggests taking this topic here so let's get started. I admit that I hate to negotiate so with escorts I will simply hangup or quit testing if they ask for more than I would consider. At a MP I also don't negotiate but I also don't make the girl guess how much tip I'm good for. I have had a several good appointments ruined by upsell and dickering. I usually go to MBD where they have clear tip jars where it is evident what you place there. I have had good experiences by putting my tip in the jar before the provider even enters the room. Everyone then knows what I expect and the provider knows what she will get. The contingency, at that point, is not whether I will tip but whether I will repeat. I respect Benz's point of view that the tip should only be paid after the service is complete, however, when you know the provider and the likely service, it seems only fair to put out what you will give so the provider knows how serious you are and will not try to upsell. At least that has been my experience.[/QUOTE]Sounds like a good experience. Not all of us have those girls we can go and trust. We all know that service and attitude can change with each visit. We get stuck on the table with our dick in their hand and they start negotiating, that's when you have to start thinking with your big head, how much is this worth? Some of the massage parlors and girls have decided that paying early ends the negotiations but it also can lead to rip off. If you paid for a half hour and only get 15 minutes that's a rip-off, did she steal your money or did you gave it to her too early? There is no accountability for their massage or Happy Endings, if you tip early. The only true accountability is on usasexguide reviews and if they don't read this forum the majority of mongers will get ripped off, when they tip early. So how do we end GPS in the massage parlors? It's easy, keep your money in your pocket until the services are done. How do we end GPS for escorts? That's easy too. They will give you the price before you arrive, if you don't like the price hang up. Learn how to walk out the door on an upsell, think with the big head.
No GPS for me!
[QUOTE=Benz1;3574185]Sounds like a good experience. Not all of us have those girls we can go and trust. We all know that service and attitude can change with each visit. We get stuck on the table with our dick in their hand and they start negotiating, that's when you have to start thinking with your big head, how much is this worth? Some of the massage parlors and girls have decided that paying early ends the negotiations but it also can lead to rip off. If you paid for a half hour and only get 15 minutes that's a rip-off, did she steal your money or did you gave it to her too early? There is no accountability for their massage or Happy Endings, if you tip early. The only true accountability is on usasexguide reviews and if they don't read this forum the majority of mongers will get ripped off, when they tip early. So how do we end GPS in the massage parlors? It's easy, keep your money in your pocket until the services are done. How do we end GPS for escorts? That's easy too. They will give you the price before you arrive, if you don't like the price hang up. Learn how to walk out the door on an upsell, think with the big head.
No GPS for me![/QUOTE]I think Benz and I are in general agreement. I never pay much less tip an escort until the show is over. MPs, however, are a little different inasmuch as most require an upfront payment leaving the gratuity as the only discretionary item. I choose to be a repeat customer at most MPs so I know what I am getting and they know me. Accordingly, I choose to offer the tip before the performance. Probably not for everyone but works for me. When I am at my Florida place I have learned that I must negotiate a bit, particularly with escorts. Many Florida escorts will start the bidding at $150/ hhr and $250/ hr but will always drop to more reasonable rates when I threaten to hangup. In general I urge our brothers to heed the advice of Benz as he is usually correct on these matters. You may consider me an outlyer who experience and preferences may not match yours. Hobby hard but hobby safe.
Otto22.
[QUOTE=Otto22;3573733]Benz suggests taking this topic here so let's get started. I admit that I hate to negotiate so with escorts I will simply hangup or quit testing if they ask for more than I would consider. At a MP I also don't negotiate but I also don't make the girl guess how much tip I'm good for. I have had a several good appointments ruined by upsell and dickering. I usually go to MBD where they have clear tip jars where it is evident what you place there. I have had good experiences by putting my tip in the jar before the provider even enters the room. Everyone then knows what I expect and the provider knows what she will get. The contingency, at that point, is not whether I will tip but whether I will repeat. I respect Benz's point of view that the tip should only be paid after the service is complete, however, when you know the provider and the likely service, it seems only fair to put out what you will give so the provider knows how serious you are and will not try to upsell. At least that has been my experience.[/QUOTE]I do put the tip out up front and have had 50/50 results. Clearly I find out the hard way where "Not" to go back to. But it is a pita, and cost me $ I could have spent elsewhere productively I. E. Trista. Now that was a terrible experience, and I should have known better. I enjoy trying something new, but it can be risky when you lay cash down b / f service. I have my own personality demon of having a hard time walking away or confronting the situation while I am in the middle of the situation I. E. Not making a seen. I have been at this for a long time, I should learn by now. I need to take more of a Benz outlook on this, but it is difficult.
[QUOTE=Lakeshore1;3566077]Sweet. I'd love to get her contact info.[/QUOTE]Slim Tori has fantastic legs! I have not tried a haircut with her so thanks TOFTT. For a couple $$ you can move to her table & enjoy much more. Be punctual when you meet. Message me & I will give her digits.
[QUOTE=GweedoMumford;3574449]I do put the tip out up front and have had 50/50 results. Clearly I find out the hard way where "Not" to go back to. But it is a pita, and cost me $ I could have spent elsewhere productively I. E. Trista. Now that was a terrible experience, and I should have known better. I enjoy trying something new, but it can be risky when you lay cash down b / f service. I have my own personality demon of having a hard time walking away or confronting the situation while I am in the middle of the situation I. E. Not making a seen. I have been at this for a long time, I should learn by now. I need to take more of a Benz outlook on this, but it is difficult.[/QUOTE]You have to be ready to walk out with no ending or do it yourself. If the massage was too short or she didn't give the massage I was asking for then I know I'm not coming back anyway. When it comes to the ending, I tell her 20 she says 40 and I say I can just do it myself, by the 4th stroke she is usually doing it for 20. If she ends up watching me that's ok too, saved me 20 bucks, it would have been very mechanical anyway.
The GPS is literally in your hands.
Good luck on your next adventure and please report back on the out come.
Happy Hobbying and stay safe.
I must be missing something with the search function.
Can you search GR forums only, all I get is all US forums. It takes forever to weed through, looking for GR provider specific info.
Be in a specific GR forum, like Backpage Advertisers, then hit "search thread"
[QUOTE=GweedoMumford;3575357]I must be missing something with the search function.
Can you search GR forums only, all I get is all US forums. It takes forever to weed through, looking for GR provider specific info.[/QUOTE].
[QUOTE=Monger01;3575440]Be in a specific GR forum, like Backpage Advertisers, then hit "search thread"
.[/QUOTE]I understand. I AM using an android phone.
Does not seem to work well for searches? Still shows from any city USA with the search criteria. I was searching for lacey. It showed all info from all cities.
Can someone with sugarbaby experience pm me some info. On that whole thing please? I have no idea what rate vs. Arrangement is even par for that.
Thanks!
[QUOTE=Monger01;3575633]Can someone with sugarbaby experience pm me some info. On that whole thing please? I have no idea what rate vs. Arrangement is even par for that.[/QUOTE]Short answer: It's extremely variable. I've had everything from 75 for an hour at my place, to 400 overnight. And I almost always spend a bit more by buying dinner, or a gift of some kind, or taking her shopping.
Here's a much longer discussion, which I posted a while back on another board.
[QUOTE]I've been using SA for a couple of years on and off. It's mostly replaced the hobby boards for me, largely because the GR area is so thin with hobby providers anyway.
The time investment is certainly higher on SA in my experience. I go through a search a couple of times a week, send messages to maybe 5-10 girls, and if I'm lucky 2 of them reply. Then it's back-and-forth chatting, can last hours or days depending on the girl. I generally try to talk them into a get-to-know-you public meeting (coffee, lunch, something like that) with little or no money involved (usually zero). At that meeting, try to set up a future real date. At any of these stages you might just stop hearing from her, or get a last-minute flake-out. So yeah, a lot of effort and time investment.
The payoff is that once you get a good one, they're *really* good. Right now I've got two: a 28 year old nurse, about a 6 in looks but 10+ in the sack; and a 25 year old teacher who is about an 8 in looks and 7 in bed...but I'm training her :). Don't want to post specific amounts, but we spend entire dates including several hours of playtime for what I'd spend on a half-hour traditional hobby appt. Last year, there was a 20 year old student that I saw for nearly 9 months before she moved away. It takes work and you'll run into lots of dead ends on the way, but when you eventually hit the jackpot you're going to love it.
You do run across more traditional arrangements. A couple of months ago I saw two different Asian girls...one Korean, one Vietnamese...who were basically just using SA as an alternative to Backpage. (I'm sure there's plenty of non-Asians doing the same...these are just the ones that caught my eye.) Those were fine appts, but neither was good enough that I wanted to go back. I mentioned this and other hobby boards to both of them, by the way, but far as I know they didn't follow up.
And as with any hobbying method, you run into scammers. Mostly you can avoid these simply by not ever putting up any money before you meet in person. Occasionally you'll get girls who ask for significant payments on a first date with no physical stuff...I avoid those, too. Maybe some of them are legit but most won't be. And then occasionally you get real pros who actually get you close to the actual deed...I had a couple of real hotties come out to my place and do a lot of flirting, saying all the right things, only to dash on me once I let my guard down. In retrospect the warning signs were all there, but the little head was in charge. That's the only real problem I've ever had, though. Keep your head in the game, same as you would with anyone from the Internet at large, and you'll be fine.
Overall, I'm very happy with SA as a hobbying method. I'm willing to spend the time and put up with the dead ends to get to the occasional real gem. I understand that's not what everyone is looking for, but for me it works great.[/QUOTE](I know you said PM, but I figure others probably have the same question. Feel free to PM me if you have specific questions.).
Very helpful. Thank you!
[QUOTE=Gexem;3575654]Short answer: It's extremely variable. I've had everything from 75 for an hour at my place, to 400 overnight. And I almost always spend a bit more by buying dinner, or a gift of some kind, or taking her shopping.
Here's a much longer discussion, which I posted a while back on another board.
(I know you said PM, but I figure others probably have the same question. Feel free to PM me if you have specific questions.).[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Gexem;3575654]Short answer: It's extremely variable. I've had everything from 75 for an hour at my place, to 400 overnight. And I almost always spend a bit more by buying dinner, or a gift of some kind, or taking her shopping.
Here's a much longer discussion, which I posted a while back on another board.
(I know you said PM, but I figure others probably have the same question. Feel free to PM me if you have specific questions.).[/QUOTE]Excuse my ignorance, but what is SA?
Seeking arrangements.
[QUOTE=RwingPplay;3575986]Excuse my ignorance, but what is SA?[/QUOTE]
For those that have the the wherewithal (time, money, patience, willingness to cultivate / train and the means) to undertake the SA side of hobbying, it is indeed richly rewarding. It take real work and most don't pan out like you want or hope. But when you do eventually find your first compatible and sustainable arrangement, jackpot! When you find your second, you will kick yourself for not having started earlier. I took the plunge.
M Yepthatem. Much thanks for the help and advice.
[QUOTE=Amaregraeco;3576498]For those that have the the wherewithal (time, money, patience, willingness to cultivate / train and the means) to undertake the SA side of hobbying, it is indeed richly rewarding. It take real work and most don't pan out like you want or hope. But when you do eventually find your first compatible and sustainable arrangement, jackpot! When you find your second, you will kick yourself for not having started earlier. I took the plunge.
M Yepthatem. Much thanks for the help and advice.[/QUOTE]What kind of monthly budget should one expect for a worthwhile arrangement? Feel free to PM me.
For those who are interested in trying SA I would suggest looking at the Richmond Virginia section of this website. Everything you need to know about SA has been discussed there.
[QUOTE=Amaregraeco;3576498]For those that have the the wherewithal (time, money, patience, willingness to cultivate / train and the means) to undertake the SA side of hobbying, it is indeed richly rewarding. It take real work and most don't pan out like you want or hope. But when you do eventually find your first compatible and sustainable arrangement, jackpot! When you find your second, you will kick yourself for not having started earlier. I took the plunge.
M Yepthatem. Much thanks for the help and advice.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=GweedoMumford;3575628]I understand. I AM using an android phone.
Does not seem to work well for searches? Still shows from any city USA with the search criteria. I was searching for lacey. It showed all info from all cities.[/QUOTE]That's the way it works, keep scrolling until you see a Grand Rapids post.
That is why I encourage our good long term providers to use two names when they register on this forum. [URL]http://usaadultclassifieds.info/classifieds/Instructions/Registration.html[/URL].
Using two names allows the search nation wide to be much easier, If a girl is traveling or moving like NoNonsensenceLady, when she moved to San Diego and took all her reviews with her. It works for mongers scrolling her name in California to be able to see her reviews in Michigan.
The search works well, but not for someone searching for a Lacey, way too many of them. If she named herself Leather N Lacey, you would probably find what you're searching for.
Ah, NNL, now there was a provider. . . And a sweet gal. I miss her and hope to see her in San Diego the next time I'm there.
[QUOTE=Benz1;3576802]That's the way it works, keep scrolling until you see a Grand Rapids post.
That is why I encourage our good long term providers to use two names when they register on this forum. [URL]http://usaadultclassifieds.info/classifieds/Instructions/Registration.html[/URL].
Using two names allows the search nation wide to be much easier, If a girl is traveling or moving like NoNonsensenceLady, when she moved to San Diego and took all her reviews with her. It works for mongers scrolling her name in California to be able to see her reviews in Michigan.
The search works well, but not for someone searching for a Lacey, way too many of them. If she named herself Leather N Lacey, you would probably find what you're searching for.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=FineByMe72;3577024]Ah, NNL, now there was a provider. . . And a sweet gal. I miss her and hope to see her in San Diego the next time I'm there.[/QUOTE]It would be nice to see her again.
Maybe she'll cum for a visit again this Thanksgiving, like two years ago.
FineByMe can pick up the air fare and I'll get the hotel room for the first week.
[QUOTE=Benz1;3577785]It would be nice to see her again.[/QUOTE]Thanks for thinking of me, you guys! I won't make it for Thanksgiving but I do hope to visit again whenever I can! Stay safe there, boys, and contact me whenever you are in Southern California!
[QUOTE=NoseJelly;3582319]Burn of the year: "I'm not paranoid, you're just stupid. ".
Ranks right up there with the Great Pee Wee Herman's "I know you are, but what am I?"[/QUOTE]He definitely got you there with that zinger NJ lolololol.
[QUOTE=Benz1;3577785]It would be nice to see her again.
Maybe she'll cum for a visit again this Thanksgiving, like two years ago.
FineByMe can pick up the air fare and I'll get the hotel room for the first week.[/QUOTE]Fun gal, easy setup, makes you feel at ease, everything someone would want from a provider. That said I didn't care for her, I think it was because she was good and she knew it but didn't have the looks or body to go with it, just my 2 cents!
Has anyone noticed that especially since the BP changes many of the providers no longer have much if any history when you do a phone number search? I'm wondering about that.
[QUOTE=ChipCharger;3585208]Has anyone noticed that especially since the BP changes many of the providers no longer have much if any history when you do a phone number search? I'm wondering about that.[/QUOTE]They all started talking about the BP changes, then started helping each other get bit coins and creating new FB pages, during that time they probably exchanged phone app info also. They're all linked on their real FB pages so why not share security info too?
Just my thoughts.
Stayn Safe.
She was stripping dropped at Collicium ghosted.
Went by Jones anyone know where she may be at.
She told me, Jessica Jones what a sweet lady.
She had partner but never got with her.
She wasn't prejudice at all she love me.
Can anyone tell me where to find her.
Maybe too many Mongers have told too many Chicas / Providers about this Forum. Makes for more drama than it does benefits. Just' one Monger's opinion.
NJ.
[QUOTE=NoseJelly;3590412]Maybe too many Mongers have told too many Chicas / Providers about this Forum. Makes for more drama than it does benefits. Just' one Monger's opinion.
NJ.[/QUOTE]One bad apple. You could be right and I might have been a little harsh but I spoke the truth and if that upsets them then most will quietly adjust. Like Kandi reading the reviews, she increased her menu to become a better provider for Grand Rapids. I think that's the way it works most of the time and that's why I inform them that they are being held accountable by members of this site.
Wierd thing is TheNewCrystal was never told she wasn't good. Just not 200 good. Then she blows a gasket instead of us. LOL.
What happened is that we quit calling after she changed her rules. Everything Covered (new bf) in my mind that changes the price. Reality is. I won't go.
I do have another one in the hopper, medium bbw with double D's and kinky Blonde hair. Good attitude, GFE, MSOG, bbbjtcim (spit) was ok. It was her first time for BBBJCIM, she aims to improve and wants to make us happy. I was her first prostrate massage. It was ookkaayy without lube. But she is going to buy some soon. She is still getting her menu together and it will eventually include pegging, she likes that shit. (No Pun intended) She takes direction well and has a Southern Bell Accent.
Of course she's parinod about LE and saftey. She will need a password to get her started in the biz.
Hopefully she becomes a good provider for Grand Rapids and reads the reviews to improve, Sorry if one brought in some Drama, my apologies.
Happy Hunting.
[QUOTE=NoseJelly;3590412]Maybe too many Mongers have told too many Chicas / Providers about this Forum. Makes for more drama than it does benefits. Just' one Monger's opinion.
NJ.[/QUOTE]I loathe the fact we can't talk freely amongst ourselves without some of these ladies getting their panties jammed up their ass. Hey if I like a service I'm going to talk about it amongst my peers, even more so if I don't like the service to warn my compadres!
These ladies got to stop being butt hurt about an opinion, it's just someone's thoughts geesh!! I refuse to give any provider business with an attitude, especially one that posts her attitude on this forum. Ex-nay on the new crystal aye!
[QUOTE=MrLovaLova1;3590953]I loathe the fact we can't talk freely amongst ourselves without some of these ladies getting their panties jammed up their ass. Hey if I like a service I'm going to talk about it amongst my peers, even more so if I don't like the service to warn my compadres!
These ladies got to stop being butt hurt about an opinion, it's just someone's thoughts geesh!! I refuse to give any provider business with an attitude, especially one that posts her attitude on this forum. Ex-nay on the new crystal aye![/QUOTE]I always Speak Freely, That's what got TheNewCrystal's panties in a bunch. If you look at her post on BP advertiser reviews you will see that she searched back to page 48 last night. I think she has had too much time on her hands with her new menu of everything covered.
I always speak my mind but I don't call names or degrade anyone. Speaking the truth doesn't mean we need to call anyone names like Metro Rider and Trump do. I think both of them are stuck in Middle School.
TheNewCrystal is the first one to blow a gasket in awhile, the last one I remember was an A. A. Girl named Val. The complaints were the same as TheNewCrystal. Her rates were too high for her, her reaction was exactly the same, LOL. Proof they all think the same. Val has contacted me on PM recently, I asked her menu and prices, then I told her politely she can't get those rates in GR for her service and I won't see you, she disappeared quietly. She learned her lesson the first and didn't want to be laughed at again. Val came back with a new name as I'm sure TheNewCrystal will have to do too.
This is our board, if they want to read what we write it should help them to see what we want and improve their talent and menu. It works most of the time unless we are calling them names, If we are calling them names that's all they will see and they won't want to improve. After reading all the responses including one from A2, I believe TheNewCrystal will be the example to our providers of what not to do on this board.
There is no reason to disrespect anyone. Just tell the facts and always include IMO where it applies and we should all learn from each other.
Happy Hunting.
While I'm new to posting, I've read posts here for years. Over the years I've seen Mercedes, Jazzy, Anna, and finally Kandi! I think this is great to see what others experience. We all have our own preferences on what we like and don't. It's tricky sometimes figuring out who's real and who's not with providers, that's why I joined to help with that. Have really enjoyed some providers, some not so much. Really have enjoyed the posts here, and hope everyone has fun and stays safe!