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[QUOTE=JWalker350;5430052]You are right. I have one week left for membership and do not plan to renew it unless more new girls. 1/3 of girls on SA have been there for years while 1/3 are just looking for platonic arrangements. I have spending hours to make the deals then they got lost or deactivated.[/QUOTE]Agree with the breakdown. Also a lot of out of towners or not in the US girls trolling here. Not going to subscribe for now until the roster improves.
Just had a horrific experience with this ****.
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/4764bb19-7569-4785-9ec1-639048fd62d1[/URL]
I messaged her in the morning, and she text me back quickly and we agreyed on everything. Met at a restaurant and she was taller and fatter then her pictures. We order take out and step out to sit in my car while the food was being prepared. She's a former stripper and was asking for money upfront, I said no, after only.
She starts pretending to be brand new on the site and bla h blah. I'm not liking her vibe, so I told her I don't think we will hit it off, no chemistry, and offered $60 for gas. She was insulted an said she's not taking my money and we will work it out. I told her that's ok, your not my type.
***** refused to get out of my car. I put the cash in a socket in her bag and tell her, good luck. She started demanding another $40 or else she wouldn't get out of my car. I come around to the passenger side window and open the door and invite her out. She refuses and pulls out her phone and starts recording me. I grab her phone and put it on the ground, she runs out of the car to get it. She's blocking me from leaving. Meanwhile, the whole time yelling I'm going to jail and making a scene.
The restaurant was next to a drive through and people are witnessing the whole scene. I finally get into my car and leave. She said she will accuse me of assault and she took a picture of my license plate.
I will keep you guys posted. Be careful out there.
I've been at this for years and years. I first joined SA back in 2011 and have met at least 200 girls off there. The worst are strippers, stay the fuck away from them.
[QUOTE=Dudeonthecouch;5431736]Just had a horrific experience with this ****.
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/4764bb19-7569-4785-9ec1-639048fd62d1[/URL]
I messaged her in the morning, and she text me back quickly and we agreyed on everything. Met at a restaurant and she was taller and fatter then her pictures. We order take out and step out to sit in my car while the food was being prepared. She's a former stripper and was asking for money upfront, I said no, after only.
She starts pretending to be brand new on the site and bla h blah. I'm not liking her vibe, so I told her I don't think we will hit it off, no chemistry, and offered $60 for gas. She was insulted an said she's not taking my money and we will work it out. I told her that's ok, your not my type.
***** refused to get out of my car. I put the cash in a socket in her bag and tell her, good luck. She started demanding another $40 or else she wouldn't get out of my car. I come around to the passenger side window and open the door and invite her out. She refuses and pulls out her phone and starts recording me. I grab her phone and put it on the ground, she runs out of the car to get it. She's blocking me from leaving. Meanwhile, the whole time yelling I'm going to jail and making a scene.
The restaurant was next to a drive through and people are witnessing the whole scene. I finally get into my car and leave. She said she will accuse me of assault and she took a picture of my license plate.
I will keep you guys posted. Be careful out there.
I've been at this for years and years. I first joined SA back in 2011 and have met at least 200 girls off there. The worst are strippers, stay the fuck away from them.[/QUOTE]Thank you so much for sharing and I am sorry for the experience.
We really should have a "no flight list" here on SA. At least within our SD County.
[QUOTE=Dudeonthecouch;5431736]Just had a horrific experience with this ****.
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/4764bb19-7569-4785-9ec1-639048fd62d1[/URL]
I messaged her in the morning, and she text me back quickly and we agreyed on everything. Met at a restaurant and she was taller and fatter then her pictures. We order take out and step out to sit in my car while the food was being prepared. She's a former stripper and was asking for money upfront, I said no, after only.
She starts pretending to be brand new on the site and bla h blah. I'm not liking her vibe, so I told her I don't think we will hit it off, no chemistry, and offered $60 for gas. She was insulted an said she's not taking my money and we will work it out. I told her that's ok, your not my type.
***** refused to get out of my car. I put the cash in a socket in her bag and tell her, good luck. She started demanding another $40 or else she wouldn't get out of my car. I come around to the passenger side window and open the door and invite her out. She refuses and pulls out her phone and starts recording me. I grab her phone and put it on the ground, she runs out of the car to get it. She's blocking me from leaving. Meanwhile, the whole time yelling I'm going to jail and making a scene.
The restaurant was next to a drive through and people are witnessing the whole scene. I finally get into my car and leave. She said she will accuse me of assault and she took a picture of my license plate.
I will keep you guys posted. Be careful out there.
I've been at this for years and years. I first joined SA back in 2011 and have met at least 200 girls off there. The worst are strippers, stay the fuck away from them.[/QUOTE]Yikes. Sorry this happened to you.
[QUOTE=Dudeonthecouch;5431736]Just had a horrific experience with this ****.
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/4764bb19-7569-4785-9ec1-639048fd62d1[/URL]
I messaged her in the morning, and she text me back quickly and we agreyed on everything. Met at a restaurant and she was taller and fatter then her pictures. We order take out and step out to sit in my car while the food was being prepared. She's a former stripper and was asking for money upfront, I said no, after only.
She starts pretending to be brand new on the site and bla h blah. I'm not liking her vibe, so I told her I don't think we will hit it off, no chemistry, and offered $60 for gas. She was insulted an said she's not taking my money and we will work it out. I told her that's ok, your not my type.
***** refused to get out of my car. I put the cash in a socket in her bag and tell her, good luck. She started demanding another $40 or else she wouldn't get out of my car. I come around to the passenger side window and open the door and invite her out. She refuses and pulls out her phone and starts recording me. I grab her phone and put it on the ground, she runs out of the car to get it. She's blocking me from leaving. Meanwhile, the whole time yelling I'm going to jail and making a scene.
The restaurant was next to a drive through and people are witnessing the whole scene. I finally get into my car and leave. She said she will accuse me of assault and she took a picture of my license plate.
I will keep you guys posted. Be careful out there.
I've been at this for years and years. I first joined SA back in 2011 and have met at least 200 girls off there. The worst are strippers, stay the fuck away from them.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the information. Sorry for your bad experience.
There's a scammer on SA (login as Candy) that asked me $100 paid in advance before M&G. I told her I do not pay via any apps and only scammers ask for payment in advance and she reported it to SA. I just received a warning from SA. I do not understand why SA allows scammers and gave me a warning for calling her as scammer. She indeed is.
I am interested in SA game and am doing my research before I actually subscribe the membership. I have read 20 pages of this thread at this point. I have often heard to read Richmond VA sugar thread but I don't know where to find it. Can you direct me where? Also some terminology, like FC that I couldn't find anywhere. Is there any terminology link? Thank you in advance.
[QUOTE=Oops0001;5434960]I am interested in SA game and am doing my research before I actually subscribe the membership. I have read 20 pages of this thread at this point. I have often heard to read Richmond VA sugar thread but I don't know where to find it. Can you direct me where? Also some terminology, like FC that I couldn't find anywhere. Is there any terminology link? Thank you in advance.[/QUOTE][URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?9746-quot-Sugarbabies-quot-quot-Arrangements-quot-Amateurs-or-Not[/URL]
[QUOTE=JWalker350;5434498]There's a scammer on SA (login as Candy) that asked me $100 paid in advance before M&G. I told her I do not pay via any apps and only scammers ask for payment in advance and she reported it to SA. I just received a warning from SA. I do not understand why SA allows scammers and gave me a warning for calling her as scammer. She indeed is.[/QUOTE]Was this done on the SA message system? Or by private text. When a wannabe sb brings up anything to do with money, I deflect and let them know I don't discuss details on the SA system. Rightly so she is a scammer to us, who knows what's going through her mind. I guess she expects us to give her 100 to watch her sit there and be a complete waste of oxygen.
[QUOTE=Oops0001;5434960]I am interested in SA game and am doing my research before I actually subscribe the membership. I have read 20 pages of this thread at this point. I have often heard to read Richmond VA sugar thread but I don't know where to find it. Can you direct me where? Also some terminology, like FC that I couldn't find anywhere. Is there any terminology link? Thank you in advance.[/QUOTE]It is on the top of the page.
[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/custompages.php?pageid=Abbreviations[/URL]
Regarding Richmond posts, if you can not find it on this site, you should not joint the SA game.
[QUOTE=Waxxon;5435300]Was this done on the SA message system? Or by private text. When a wannabe sb brings up anything to do with money, I deflect and let them know I don't discuss details on the SA system. Rightly so she is a scammer to us, who knows what's going through her mind. I guess she expects us to give her 100 to watch her sit there and be a complete waste of oxygen.[/QUOTE]It was on SA website. She did not want to give out her number. She said I have to send her $100 before M&G. She is no longer on SA.
[QUOTE=JWalker350;5435420]It is on the top of the page.
[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/custompages.php?pageid=Abbreviations[/URL]
Regarding Richmond posts, if you can not find it on this site, you should not joint the SA game.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=BearD;5435042][URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?9746-quot-Sugarbabies-quot-quot-Arrangements-quot-Amateurs-or-Not[/URL][/QUOTE]Thank you for your suggestions, BearD and JWaker350. Much appreciated.
[QUOTE=JWalker350;5434498]There's a scammer on SA (login as Candy) that asked me $100 paid in advance before M&G. I told her I do not pay via any apps and only scammers ask for payment in advance and she reported it to SA. I just received a warning from SA. I do not understand why SA allows scammers and gave me a warning for calling her as scammer. She indeed is.[/QUOTE]What did she report you for? Did you say anything against T&C earlier?
Lesson from this: If you suspect that she is a scammer, and have firm evidence, then report her. Scammers are trigger happy and tend to report SDs who turn them down. You really need to get your retaliation in first. In this case. Seems obvious that she broke SA T&C as she asked for money up front. Report!
As for SA warning you. Did you reply pointing out that it is documented that she broke their T&C, and wondering what it was that you did to merit a warning?
[QUOTE=PussyPumper;5435956]What did she report you for? Did you say anything against T&C earlier?
Lesson from this: If you suspect that she is a scammer, and have firm evidence, then report her. Scammers are trigger happy and tend to report SDs who turn them down. You really need to get your retaliation in first. In this case. Seems obvious that she broke SA T&C as she asked for money up front. Report!
As for SA warning you. Did you reply pointing out that it is documented that she broke their T&C, and wondering what it was that you did to merit a warning?[/QUOTE]SA said I used offensive language and something similar to it. I just told her "I know who you are, scammer. ".
I also said "I am looking for an arrangement but not to scam or being scammed to / by anyone. ".
She told me:
"$100.
I also have been stood up twice now so I expect pay before hand.
We could though I don't drink coffee but I could get a tea or something. I have been stood up in the past though so I do collect money before leaving my house.
I made an exception once and was stood up again so I'm very firm on that stance. ".
[QUOTE=PussyPumper;5435956]What did she report you for? Did you say anything against T&C earlier?
Lesson from this: If you suspect that she is a scammer, and have firm evidence, then report her. Scammers are trigger happy and tend to report SDs who turn them down. You really need to get your retaliation in first. In this case. Seems obvious that she broke SA T&C as she asked for money up front. Report!
As for SA warning you. Did you reply pointing out that it is documented that she broke their T&C, and wondering what it was that you did to merit a warning?[/QUOTE]Thanks. Lesson learned.
[QUOTE=JWalker350;5434498]There's a scammer on SA (login as Candy) that asked me $100 paid in advance before M&G. I told her I do not pay via any apps and only scammers ask for payment in advance and she reported it to SA. I just received a warning from SA. I do not understand why SA allows scammers and gave me a warning for calling her as scammer. She indeed is.[/QUOTE]Any request for money on SA can be considered a violation and get you banned. They ban dudes for anything suggesting a transaction for sex. Any request for money up front is a scam. Once I confirm they are looking for a FWB thing I move them to text using a untraceable phone number. Once there move them to discuss money quickly. You will get many that give you a number agree to meet and then comes the pitch. It will go something like "can you help me with gas money?" Again, remember any request for money before meeting is a scam. Don't give them anything can hold over you, I. E. Work, real number last name. These are all good ways to be a victim of sextortion.
[QUOTE=Oops0001;5434960]I am interested in SA game and am doing my research before I actually subscribe the membership. I have read 20 pages of this thread at this point. I have often heard to read Richmond VA sugar thread but I don't know where to find it. Can you direct me where? Also some terminology, like FC that I couldn't find anywhere. Is there any terminology link? Thank you in advance.[/QUOTE]FC = Fuck Chamber, the place where you take your Sugar Baby to fuck her. The Hilton, Notel Motel, your dorm room, back seat of your car parked in Walmart parking lot, however you roll.
There is an "Abbreviations" tab on menu bar at top of page, but it is missing a lot of the sugar bowl specific terms. Enjoy, and may the pussy be with you.
[QUOTE=PaytoPlay;5438020]Any request for money on SA can be considered a violation and get you banned. They ban dudes for anything suggesting a transaction for sex. Any request for money up front is a scam. Once I confirm they are looking for a FWB thing I move them to text using a untraceable phone number. Once there move them to discuss money quickly. You will get many that give you a number agree to meet and then comes the pitch. It will go something like "can you help me with gas money?" Again, remember any request for money before meeting is a scam. Don't give them anything can hold over you, I. E. Work, real number last name. These are all good ways to be a victim of sextortion.[/QUOTE]I rarely offer money on SA. Always by text. Candy asked me for money upfront and did not want to use text. Yes! I never tell any girl my real name, even my currently SB (2 years) does not know my real name, work, etc.
[QUOTE=DogBert77;5438194]FC = Fuck Chamber, the place where you take your Sugar Baby to fuck her. The Hilton, Notel Motel, your dorm room, back seat of your car parked in Walmart parking lot, however you roll.
There is an "Abbreviations" tab on menu bar at top of page, but it is missing a lot of the sugar bowl specific terms. Enjoy, and may the pussy be with you.[/QUOTE]Thanks, DogBert77! Yes, I agree! SD related terms are missing there.
Here is my contribution to community.
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/547b3b37-9894-4073-86e7-c78b9a0343eb[/URL]
She asked me to give her 2 for every meeting (just lunch / coffee / walk) to see how serious I am (2-3 times) and once moved to intimate meeting, she wants 1 K. GPS.
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/600f713e-cc0c-40c7-8486-092eaab82b95[/URL]
Only looking for platonic. Very cute but I passed.
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/8fe7b6ad-dc05-4a07-a5b8-78a7a5cb15e6[/URL]
She seems to be very nice and patient. I haven't met her yet. Wanted 6 but negotiated to 4. But I need FC. Does anyone try her? I would like to hear how she was.
[QUOTE=Oops0001;5438312]Thanks, DogBert77! Yes, I agree! SD related terms are missing there.
Here is my contribution to community.
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/547b3b37-9894-4073-86e7-c78b9a0343eb[/URL]
She asked me to give her 2 for every meeting (just lunch / coffee / walk) to see how serious I am (2-3 times) and once moved to intimate meeting, she wants 1 K. GPS.
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/600f713e-cc0c-40c7-8486-092eaab82b95[/URL]
Only looking for platonic. Very cute but I passed.
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/8fe7b6ad-dc05-4a07-a5b8-78a7a5cb15e6[/URL]
She seems to be very nice and patient. I haven't met her yet. Wanted 6 but negotiated to 4. But I need FC. Does anyone try her? I would like to hear how she was.[/QUOTE]Regarding the last girl, you should ask her for coffee or lunch meeting first in order to know how does she look like before taking her to FC.
Gents.
Won't repeat.
Private message me for details.
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/2bbdd9a5-a756-4547-9ff4-c5dd5263bb1d[/URL]
This one offered PPM $600- its pay per meet not per pound YIKES.
[QUOTE=CPMachine;5444690][URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/2bbdd9a5-a756-4547-9ff4-c5dd5263bb1d[/URL]
This one offered PPM $600- its pay per meet not per pound YIKES.[/QUOTE]Same thing for this girl. She claims playing volleyball but I do not know how can she jumps with her big body. Ask for ppm $500.
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/aabf126f-7547-478b-b0c6-7721bcbe91be[/URL]
[QUOTE=CPMachine;5444690][URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/2bbdd9a5-a756-4547-9ff4-c5dd5263bb1d[/URL]
This one offered PPM $600- its pay per meet not per pound YIKES.[/QUOTE]Yikes, that's what I call inflation. In more ways than one.
Are guys out there paying this much for any of the sb's these days?
[QUOTE=Waxxon;5446564]Yikes, that's what I call inflation. In more ways than one.
Are guys out there paying this much for any of the sb's these days?[/QUOTE]Yeah I refuse to believe she has ever commanded that price.
[QUOTE=FingerLicking;5447321]Yeah I refuse to believe she has ever commanded that price.[/QUOTE]Yeah, so recall the days before FASTA, where girls had a thing on their profiles, where they could list the allowance they were seeking - 'practical' was like 1000/ mo, and it went up from there. The advice from veterans was to absolutely ignore those numbers. Sure, you might see a smoking hot girl who could reasonably expect to get some of the higher ranges for the exclusive relationships they were seeking, but otherwise, not. These things are all negotiable, and if you recall the phenomenon of 'pinning', where the person who names the price first sets the negotiating agenda, you understand why they do this. Of course, this has nothing to do with what someone will agree to. I always negotiate in person, and never let the topic of $ come into electronic negotiation. No girl wants to get rejected, but it is easier if it is via messaging, her ask will be less face to face.
This is the problem of this "Hack Culture." They all just go onto Tiktok / Youtube / Reddit. They have "tutorials" online and they "teach" you what & you should put in the profile & tag line. They even have "templates." That's why you see stuff like "I am here for a good time not a long time. " Or the "What are you looking for?" "I know my worth." "How much for the M&G?"
The $500/$600 PPMs is what the tutorials "suggest." So all the ppl who were doing the videos of course wanna increase her "subscriber/followers," that's why they were making claims like "1K PPM," "800 PPM," "follow my steps you will be making the same thing too."
[QUOTE=Waxxon;5446564]Yikes, that's what I call inflation. In more ways than one.
Are guys out there paying this much for any of the sb's these days?[/QUOTE]When on travel, I usually do $300 - $500 "per meet," but we usually end up meeting extra for free in between paid meets. I stay away from pros and semi-pros. Oddly enough, the SBs I have met with were in the medical field or medical students. They didn't have time for traditional dating. Sessions were like having your girlfriend over for a few hours, then sending her ass home. I met an SB one time when I was on extended travel for work. She was a dentist. She owned her own house, and she was a super nympho. Ball-draining sessions, but it was a hard $300 every meet. I found another SB on that same trip who after we agreed on some amount, I ended up just paying a few of her bills, which was less than the amount that we agreed to for PPM.
My last run on SA a few months ago, SBs were asking for $500 ish, but they wanted me to get the hotel room. I'll pass on sugaring for now. I'm under too much of a time constriction at home. lol
[QUOTE=KingBaby;5447797]This is the problem of this "Hack Culture." They all just go onto Tiktok / Youtube / Reddit. They have "tutorials" online and they "teach" you what & you should put in the profile & tag line. They even have "templates." That's why you see stuff like "I am here for a good time not a long time. " Or the "What are you looking for?" "I know my worth." "How much for the M&G?"
The $500/$600 PPMs is what the tutorials "suggest." So all the ppl who were doing the videos of course wanna increase her "subscriber/followers," that's why they were making claims like "1K PPM," "800 PPM," "follow my steps you will be making the same thing too."[/QUOTE]I am totally agree with KB. Multiple girls asked me the same questions, amount ppm, etc. Looks like they cut and paste from the scripts.
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/35a3a3c6-2617-4027-8221-32f05586655d[/URL]
She has a script and telling you that she'll only send you photos. Once you refuse, she will accuse you being cheap & be a scam. 619 number. Well, reported.
I got message from a girl below saying I am female escort. I texted her to ask the details and she told me 100 hr 200/2 hr including all service no limit. I didn't buy her story but did anyone try her?
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/ad1cca1b-f3a1-4159-9e1d-020c7cc35d74[/URL]
[QUOTE=Oops0001;5451858]I got message from a girl below saying I am female escort. I texted her to ask the details and she told me 100 hr 200/2 hr including all service no limit. I didn't buy her story but did anyone try her?
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/ad1cca1b-f3a1-4159-9e1d-020c7cc35d74[/URL][/QUOTE]Her profile has been deleted. Here was the photo. It could be scam or pro.
[QUOTE=Oops0001;5451858]I got message from a girl below saying I am female escort. I texted her to ask the details and she told me 100 hr 200/2 hr including all service no limit. I didn't buy her story but did anyone try her?
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/ad1cca1b-f3a1-4159-9e1d-020c7cc35d74[/URL][/QUOTE]She asks for $50 donation and try to scam you. Be aware of her.
SA SD scene is pretty inflated currently. If you want a good looking young SB it's around $500 ppm minimum or $2000/ month.
The attitude the SB shows is beyond belief.
I would prefer to stay out of this for time being. If necessary can use HX.
[QUOTE=Oops0001;5452364]Her profile has been deleted. Here was the photo. It could be scam or pro.[/QUOTE]New profile here.
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/3d9f2467-3226-4522-8113-e3d869bd6186[/URL]
[QUOTE=SNathan;5452438]She asks for $50 donation and try to scam you. Be aware of her.
SA SD scene is pretty inflated currently. If you want a good looking young SB it's around $500 ppm minimum or $2000/ month.
The attitude the SB shows is beyond belief.
I would prefer to stay out of this for time being. If necessary can use HX.[/QUOTE]50% of girls on SA even asked me 700-800 ppm. One girl said her friend got $5 K per month. I told her that her friend should not go to school or work since $5 K a month equivalent to $100 K a year after tax and she just spend 2-3 hours per week with SD. I also told her to find 5 SDs so she can get 1/2 million dollars per year. A very good job.
Two girls asked me 500 for meet and greet, one girl asked for 300 for coffee date.
[QUOTE=JWalker350;5453207]50% of girls on SA even asked me 700-800 ppm. One girl said her friend got $5 K per month. I told her that her friend should not go to school or work since $5 K a month equivalent to $100 K a year after tax and she just spend 2-3 hours per week with SD. I also told her to find 5 SDs so she can get 1/2 million dollars per year. A very good job.
Two girls asked me 500 for meet and greet, one girl asked for 300 for coffee date.[/QUOTE]At Jwalker Exactly they could do this as a full time job without going to school. I am. Not sure why the SD are paying this much and inflating the prices where people don't even need to go to school.
This is insane what I witnessed ln SA which was different couple of years back where you could get a very hot SB for 300 ppm max.
[QUOTE=OcasianBoy;5453178]New profile here.
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/3d9f2467-3226-4522-8113-e3d869bd6186[/URL][/QUOTE]It is not scam. She is an escort. I chatted number of girls on day time that I saw their location was San Diego then later at night, I saw they were at different locations such as Orange County, LA, Las Vegas, Arizona, New York or Chicago, etc. They are pros, just move around to find men.
It's b / c of youtube and the news doing SA piece and how women are profiting. Agreed, 300 ppm back then used to be the upper tiers fir 9 and 10's babes. Now, everyone's base is like 5 hundie. When they are really skanks.
[QUOTE=SNathan;5453232]At Jwalker Exactly they could do this as a full time job without going to school. I am. Not sure why the SD are paying this much and inflating the prices where people don't even need to go to school.
This is insane what I witnessed ln SA which was different couple of years back where you could get a very hot SB for 300 ppm max.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=CitySlicker;5454060]It's b / c of youtube and the news doing SA piece and how women are profiting. Agreed, 300 ppm back then used to be the upper tiers fir 9 and 10's babes. Now, everyone's base is like 5 hundie. When they are really skanks.[/QUOTE]As long as no one pays that much, the price has to be down. I hold very firm on max price of 300 when dealing with them. I still have my long term SB.
[QUOTE=RazorFish1801;5441352]Gents.
Won't repeat.
Private message me for details.[/QUOTE]Anyone seen her?? She is trying to get in touch with me multiple times.
Not sure if she is genuine.