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[QUOTE=C Licker]Greeting all,
Longtime Monger (and Lurker) and close freind to a Mamasan.
You do not need a massage license in FL to get a "Massage Establishment" license. You are only required to hire licensed therapists. Also, whenever "LEO" enters an establishment. They plan on making an arrest. It does not matter what "Really" happens. Whose word is the court going to believe? Especially considering the frequent language barrier!
C[/QUOTE]You are way off course with your " they plan on making an arrest it does not matter what "really" happened. " comment. If that was the case, they wouldn't even have to enter the place. They could just make up some bullshit excuse about being solicited and arrest anyone they wanted. Any cop who lies in their reports or makes false statements is putting his job on the line. What cop is going to risk his job over some girl offering sex for money? That is the height of stupidity given the fact that prostitution is a misdemeanor offense. I'm not sure who your mamasan friend is, but maybe she is just paranoid about Uncle LEO and blames him for all her troubles. All these mamasans who allow their girls to offer extras know that it is illegal and have to take their lumps when they get caught. If all Uncle LEO had to do was lie about being solicited, they could put EVERY massage parlor and lingerie modeling studio out of business immediately. One last piece of advice: know your facts before you open your mouth. It is better to remain silent and have people suspect that that you are an idiot, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
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Here's a question...
Has any one ever been busted for patronizing an AMP? I mean, I see the girls arrested with some frequency, but I don't think I've ever heard of a customer being arrested. Does it happen? I tend to get all paranoid before I go, but after years of going (very occasionally, though, I might add) I'm starting to wonder if its completely unwarranted.
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[QUOTE=JHS 42]Has any one ever been busted for patronizing an AMP? I mean, I see the girls arrested with some frequency, but I don't think I've ever heard of a customer being arrested. Does it happen? I tend to get all paranoid before I go, but after years of going (very occasionally, though, I might add) I'm starting to wonder if its completely unwarranted.[/QUOTE]There is nothing illegal about being in a AMP. It is a business and you have every right toi be there. Unless the police can prove you agreed to pay for sex, you have nothing to worry about.
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[QUOTE=SpeedRacer29]You are way off course with your " they plan on making an arrest it does not matter what "really" happened. " comment. If that was the case, they wouldn't even have to enter the place. They could just make up some bullshit excuse about being solicited and arrest anyone they wanted. Any cop who lies in their reports or makes false statements is putting his job on the line. What cop is going to risk his job over some girl offering sex for money? That is the height of stupidity given the fact that prostitution is a misdemeanor offense. I'm not sure who your mamasan friend is, but maybe she is just paranoid about Uncle LEO and blames him for all her troubles. All these mamasans who allow their girls to offer extras know that it is illegal and have to take their lumps when they get caught. If all Uncle LEO had to do was lie about being solicited, they could put EVERY massage parlor and lingerie modeling studio out of business immediately. One last piece of advice: know your facts before you open your mouth. It is better to remain silent and have people suspect that that you are an idiot, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.[/QUOTE]
Wow, Speed, no offense but I remember when I was young and naive and thought everything was righteous.
I could tell you the story of a strip club manager I know who went to court, armed with time-stamped video, proving that a lewd and lascivious private dance investigative officers claimed happened NEVER did. In the same case the two investigating officers told two completely different stories about what they observed with the only items coming close to a match being the dancer's name. They both even gave inaccurate physical descriptions of said dancer, neither similar to each other and neither describing the dancer they named.
So, with conflicting reports by the investigators and video proving the dancer named never did a private dance that night, the dancer, of course, was found guilty and even lectured by the judge about her need to "find a real job" with her GED and three kids to take care of.
You asked what cop is going to risk his job making up a story about prostitution.
Well, my young padawan, the only cop who is putting his job at risk is the cop who is told by his superiors to go to a specific location and find crime, who then comes back to the station to report that there was no criminal activity to find where he was sent. Being sent to find crime and not finding it is unacceptable to his superiors.
So, when sent to massage parlors, strip clubs, etc., yes, indeed, the police do in fact enter with the intent of making arrests before they ever get there. You asked why they don't just keep doing so until the shops are gone. Well, that would show harrassment in the "court of public opinion," so they have to tread a line.
Also, the last thing they want is to eliminate a nice revenue source for the courts. Bust everybody twice a year and rake in the fines. The courts aren't about to let them kill the goose that lays the golden eggs.
Hey, I came out of my college government class all excited about how wonderful our judicial system is. Then I got out and experienced real life and I shake my head in disgust of the mockery our legal system has turned itself into.
Now, Speed, re-read your last sentence: "It is better to remain silent and have people suspect that that you are an idiot, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
This is coming from a guy who, a few days ago, suggested that if a patron gets "caught in the act" at an AMP to tell the police that he did not pay for anything other than a massage and did not pay for sex. They were just having sex because they hit it off and that's not illegal.
Really good advice, there. So, do you want to know what every experienced monger is thinking right about now? Well I can't speak for the rest but I'm certainly wondering why a guy who came onto this board like gang-busters, filled with reports about AMPs and some street activity and has shown his naivity a few times is suddenly going ape-shit defending corrupt police practices any adult who has spent time in reality knows to be true?
Maybe you just haven't had your run-in with some arrogant pig who picked you for his target and was looking for anything - ANYTHING - to nail you with and you really believe that the police are good, honest people. Your day will come, mark my words, sir. You'll change your mind.
Until then, I'm going to lean with thinking negative police comments rubbed a blue-brother in the wrong way. And I'm the first one to cringe when someone yells "Cop!" after a guy's first post. You've got a lot more posts to do the math on this one, though.
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Back in the Saddle
This post is from this morning.
Someone got thier investment dollars back to work.
I'll bet it is really legit for a while!
[url]http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/ths/841239748.html[/url]
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[QUOTE=Mike Wazowski]Wow, Speed, no offense but I remember when I was young and naive and thought everything was righteous.
I could tell you the story of a strip club manager I know who went to court, armed with time-stamped video, proving that a lewd and lascivious private dance investigative officers claimed happened NEVER did. In the same case the two investigating officers told two completely different stories about what they observed with the only items coming close to a match being the dancer's name. They both even gave inaccurate physical descriptions of said dancer, neither similar to each other and neither describing the dancer they named.
So, with conflicting reports by the investigators and video proving the dancer named never did a private dance that night, the dancer, of course, was found guilty and even lectured by the judge about her need to "find a real job" with her GED and three kids to take care of.
You asked what cop is going to risk his job making up a story about prostitution.
Well, my young padawan, the only cop who is putting his job at risk is the cop who is told by his superiors to go to a specific location and find crime, who then comes back to the station to report that there was no criminal activity to find where he was sent. Being sent to find crime and not finding it is unacceptable to his superiors.
So, when sent to massage parlors, strip clubs, etc., yes, indeed, the police do in fact enter with the intent of making arrests before they ever get there. You asked why they don't just keep doing so until the shops are gone. Well, that would show harrassment in the "court of public opinion," so they have to tread a line.
Also, the last thing they want is to eliminate a nice revenue source for the courts. Bust everybody twice a year and rake in the fines. The courts aren't about to let them kill the goose that lays the golden eggs.
Hey, I came out of my college government class all excited about how wonderful our judicial system is. Then I got out and experienced real life and I shake my head in disgust of the mockery our legal system has turned itself into.
Now, Speed, re-read your last sentence: "It is better to remain silent and have people suspect that that you are an idiot, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
This is coming from a guy who, a few days ago, suggested that if a patron gets "caught in the act" at an AMP to tell the police that he did not pay for anything other than a massage and did not pay for sex. They were just having sex because they hit it off and that's not illegal.
Really good advice, there. So, do you want to know what every experienced monger is thinking right about now? Well I can't speak for the rest but I'm certainly wondering why a guy who came onto this board like gang-busters, filled with reports about AMPs and some street activity and has shown his naivity a few times is suddenly going ape-shit defending corrupt police practices any adult who has spent time in reality knows to be true?
Maybe you just haven't had your run-in with some arrogant pig who picked you for his target and was looking for anything - ANYTHING - to nail you with and you really believe that the police are good, honest people. Your day will come, mark my words, sir. You'll change your mind.
Until then, I'm going to lean with thinking negative police comments rubbed a blue-brother in the wrong way. And I'm the first one to cringe when someone yells "Cop!" after a guy's first post. You've got a lot more posts to do the math on this one, though.[/QUOTE]For the record, I have been mongering for over 25 years. I have picked up street walkers, been to many AMPS even lost my virginity to a girl who provided incall service. Only thing I am new to is this board, and that`s only because I never even knew it existed until recently. The case you mentioned where the girl was found guilty would have definetaly been won on appeal. Not all judges are honest. As for getting caught in the act, that still does not prove anything illegal happened. Many guys who picked up street walkers and were caught by the police have been able to BS the cops into believing they were boyfriend/girlfriend. They HAVE to have proof money exchanged hands. I have no love for the cops. I was actually arrested once trying to pick up an undercover cop. As I am talking to her telling her what I want and she is talking to me telling me what she can do for me I was not doing anything illegal. The moment I mentioned what I was willing to pay for her services she motioned for her back-up partner to come and get me. I have seen this issue from both sides of the law. In most states you could be dead drunk behind the wheel of a car, as long as that vehicle is legally parked, you can not be charged with drunk driving. Even though the cops know you were driving at some point, they HAVE to see it. They just can not assume you were driving. I have seen this happen first hand. I stand by everything that I have said. Your opinion is just that, YOUR opinion.
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[QUOTE=SpeedRacer29] In most states you could be dead drunk behind the wheel of a car, as long as that vehicle is legally parked, you can not be charged with drunk driving. .[/QUOTE]
AFAIK, this is the exect opposite of the truth. I don't know of any state that does not allow for DUI conviction if the person is behind the wheel and in possession of the car keys.
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[QUOTE=Mike Wazowski]AFAIK, this is the exect opposite of the truth. I don't know of any state that does not allow for DUI conviction if the person is behind the wheel and in possession of the car keys.[/QUOTE]I know a person convicted of DUI for "sleeping it off" in his car outside of a bar. In Largo. And this was in the days before they'd really cracked down on DUI.
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[QUOTE=SpeedRacer29]As for getting caught in the act, that still does not prove anything illegal happened. Many guys who picked up street walkers and were caught by the police have been able to BS the cops into believing they were boyfriend/girlfriend. They HAVE to have proof money exchanged hands. I have no love for the cops. I was actually arrested once trying to pick up an undercover cop. As I am talking to her telling her what I want and she is talking to me telling me what she can do for me I was not doing anything illegal. The moment I mentioned what I was willing to pay for her services she motioned for her back-up partner to come and get me..[/QUOTE]
For the first part, proving money exchanged hands, etc. You might be able to BS and/or charm the cops on the street and get them to let you go with a "warning." However, if they take you in and it goes to court, every word out of the cops' mouths is the God's honest truth and anything the defendent says will be an outright lie. If you are the defendent, they'll even tell you to make it easier on yourself by ceasing with your lies.
If your "I was arrested once trying to pick up an undercover cop" tale is not a knee-jerk cover story, then I must say that I have to go with the extremely naive assessment I've been giving you since you started posting.
And make that VERY EXTREMELY naive for someone claiming 25 years in this little game we play.
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[QUOTE=Loafer Boat]This post is from this morning.
Someone got thier investment dollars back to work.
I'll bet it is really legit for a while!
[url]http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/ths/841239748.html[/url][/QUOTE]Just called, they are definitely open again. I asked about my favorite there, and they told me "try another girl, she's on vacation". She might have left so she doesn't get caught up in any shenanigans there. Pity, I would have loved to corrupt her.
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[QUOTE=Mike Wazowski]AFAIK, this is the exect opposite of the truth. I don't know of any state that does not allow for DUI conviction if the person is behind the wheel and in possession of the car keys.[/QUOTE]North Carolina.
I was driving one night with my nephew, his wife, and 2 year old child in the car. We were hit by a drunk driver. Minor damage. Police were called. Police show up, other driver can not stand up straight, obviously drunk, his truck on the side of the road. Police tell us that because they did not actually see him drive the car ( although it was obviously he was ) the case would be thrown out of court in less then 5 minutes. That is based on North Carolina law. All the police could do that night was take his keys which he could get back when he was sober. As I said, I was there that night and saw this happen first hand. My point is you are not an expert on every law from state to state. As for your comment about every defendent being viewed as liars in court, how do you explain the fact that so many people have the charges dropped in court, or go to trial and eventually found innocent? Stick to what you know, and remain silent about what you dont know.
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[QUOTE=Mike Wazowski]For the first part, proving money exchanged hands, etc. You might be able to BS and/or charm the cops on the street and get them to let you go with a "warning." However, if they take you in and it goes to court, every word out of the cops' mouths is the God's honest truth and anything the defendent says will be an outright lie. If you are the defendent, they'll even tell you to make it easier on yourself by ceasing with your lies.
If your "I was arrested once trying to pick up an undercover cop" tale is not a knee-jerk cover story, then I must say that I have to go with the extremely naive assessment I've been giving you since you started posting.
And make that VERY EXTREMELY naive for someone claiming 25 years in this little game we play.[/QUOTE]Let me also say I do not blame the cops for arresting me. I did it. I was guilty. I blame the local & state politicians for passing laws that someone can be arrested for a misdeamor offense. Any other state it seems all they do is issue you a citation which may or may not require you to go to court also. Check the HCSO website any day. I never saw so many people arrested for stupid things like expired drivers license, fishing without a license, littering, etc... Just more proof that laws vary from county to county and state to state. More proof you are not qualified to be giving legal advice.
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[QUOTE=SpeedRacer29] They HAVE to have proof money exchanged hands. I have no love for the cops. I was actually arrested once trying to pick up an undercover cop. As I am talking to her telling her what I want and she is talking to me telling me what she can do for me I was not doing anything illegal. The moment I mentioned what I was willing to pay for her services she motioned for her back-up partner to come and get me.......... I stand by everything that I have said. Your opinion is just that, YOUR opinion.[/QUOTE]
Money does absolutly NOT have to change hands. All you have to do is offer, or agree to pay for sex. You may want to read [url]http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=Ch0796/ch0796.htm[/url] and pay particular attention to 796.07. And as far as you DUI statements, if you are drunk in driver's seat of your car, and the keys are in the ignition, even if the car isn't running, you can and will get charged with DUI.
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[QUOTE=Loafer Boat]This post is from this morning. Someone got thier investment dollars back to work. I'll bet it is really legit for a while!
[url]http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/ths/841239748.html[/url][/QUOTE]
I wonder if you can ask for one of those facial masks to be applied to your privates! Cleaning it up could be interesting!
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[QUOTE=JHS 42]Has any one ever been busted for patronizing an AMP? I mean, I see the girls arrested with some frequency, but I don't think I've ever heard of a customer being arrested. Does it happen? I tend to get all paranoid before I go, but after years of going (very occasionally, though, I might add) I'm starting to wonder if its completely unwarranted.[/QUOTE]
Yes and yes. Do a quick check of the Northern Virginia Board and you'll see that it does happen. Typically, once LE establishes that illicit sexual activities have taken place the charges for the patrons are "frequenting a bawdy place..."
There also have been reports of LE staking out AMPs and then pulling over fellows as they leave. Using the premise of a minor traffic violation, LE has forcefully probed the unsuspecting (post orgasm) monger. "I know what goes on in there... want to talk to me about it?"