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[QUOTE=JonBlogDeer;6363002]Broooo please tell me you're fucking lying. Fuck.[/QUOTE]When I first saw the ad for "her" I was tempted until I googled the number. Always google the phone number to see what you find. The results can be interesting sometimes.
[QUOTE=AbuSaho;6362830]This forum is amazing if you are a lurker. Or if you feel the hobby is dead you get confirmation of those thoughts as well as warnings. Or if you pile on to the same spots / providers others have given positive reviews.[/QUOTE]I guarantee half those dudes who PM you only signed up for an account to PM you for free info. I post what I can cause of the valuable info I've gotten here in the past. Dudes got to put in their own work. I gambled once on a post that had pics that I knew weren't the girl I was going to see, and got a pretty black chick that I see once in a while now. She was posting cause she needed money and after getting cool with her, she stopped posting and gave me her real number. I would share if she was about that life, but she's not for the team.
There's plenty of broke chicks out here that you can work out a favorable situation with if you have a little bit of game. My advice to anyone trying to leech on here is to comb through all the fake ads until you find a good one.
As someone who's been in the "game" for a long while now, I just wanted to add balance to some of the HYPERBOLIC talk on here like "there's nothing out there" and "the Bronx is done" that might discourage a younger, more inexperienced monger.
First of all, if you pick a "short stay" at a CDP, and it's your FIRST time with the girl, chances are, it's going to SUCK.
Unless you really are a "wham, bam, thank you ma'am" kinda guy, chances are these girls are going to rush you or try to upsell you.
They assume that if you're a "SS" kinda customer, meaning a CHEAP bastard not worth seeing, so why not get you out of the way, and onto a more LUCRATIVE session?
I learned my lesson the hard way, so unless I'm really unsure about the girl, I usually schedule the half, even with a new girl.
As for the state of the "biz," unfortunately, like a lot of the NYC economy, it's becoming incredibly BIFURCATED between your low end CDPS and your high end girls, with the middle essentially being decimated due to gentrification, among other reasons.
When I was coming up, there were "houses" in the city you could go to that featured a selection of quality hos at reasonable prices (anyone remember "Julies" or "Jerry's? Unfortunately, those places are long gone, with no equivalent to replace them.
For those looking for a SURE thing EVERY time, you're going to have to PAY for that privilege, like six bills and up, in NYC.
Or you could follow brother AbuSabo's route and set aside a fixed amount for mongering, and go in with the attitude that you might blow some in "TOFTT," as they say.
I am intrigued by the whole Chinese "restaurant" deal, especially in the Bronx.
That's something I'd love to look into myself, so "Abu" if you wouldn't mind either sharing contact details, either here, or in PM, it'd be greatly appreciated.
[QUOTE=LatinLicker;6363629]As someone who's been in the "game" for a long while now, I just wanted to add balance to some of the HYPERBOLIC talk on here like "there's nothing out there" and "the Bronx is done" that might discourage a younger, more inexperienced monger.
First of all, if you pick a "short stay" at a CDP, and it's your FIRST time with the girl, chances are, it's going to SUCK.
Unless you really are a "wham, bam, thank you ma'am" kinda guy, chances are these girls are going to rush you or try to upsell you.
They assume that if you're a "SS" kinda customer, meaning a CHEAP bastard not worth seeing, so why not get you out of the way, and onto a more LUCRATIVE session?
I learned my lesson the hard way, so unless I'm really unsure about the girl, I usually schedule the half, even with a new girl.
As for the state of the "biz," unfortunately, like a lot of the NYC economy, it's becoming incredibly BIFURCATED between your low end CDPS and your high end girls, with the middle essentially being decimated due to gentrification, among other reasons.
When I was coming up, there were "houses" in the city you could go to that featured a selection of quality hos at reasonable prices (anyone remember "Julies" or "Jerry's? Unfortunately, those places are long gone, with no equivalent to replace them.
For those looking for a SURE thing EVERY time, you're going to have to PAY for that privilege, like six bills and up, in NYC.
Or you could follow brother AbuSabo's route and set aside a fixed amount for mongering, and go in with the attitude that you might blow some in "TOFTT," as they say.
I am intrigued by the whole Chinese "restaurant" deal, especially in the Bronx.
That's something I'd love to look into myself, so "Abu" if you wouldn't mind either sharing contact details, either here, or in PM, it'd be greatly appreciated.[/QUOTE]Agreed. Mid tier by that I mean those that charge in the 200-400 range tend to be quick to retire. I think what happens is they only need a few regulars and they are set. Especially if they have a day job. The Low end and High end are in this weird limbo. The 60-100 ss tend to need high volume. And they may not get that week to week so they be in the game week after week make ads. High end that charge 1,000 for example don't need a lot of dudes but there isn't that many dudes spending that much on pussy when there are cheaper options.
Never ever give deposit. This cannot be said enough. I know you will have a guy on here that will come and refute everything I say. "I have a relationship with her I'm a regular, I give her the deposit and she always sees me and takes care of me".
Yeah you are not the average. You are a monger that builds a rapport with a provider.
Don't ever do deposits. I learned my lesson. I wanted to see a pornstar in NYC. She was in the 600-500 range.(cheap for what pornstars charge).
Anyway she tried to finnesse me into giving her 200-300 deposit upfront. Through the apps, PayPal or bank transfer. And than I could pay the rest in cash in person.
She hit me "I'm only in the city for tonight. After that I'm gone to the next town".
Than I asked her "what if she leaves before I see her and I already gave her the deposit".
She told me verbatim "well that would just be my little gift from you. And whenever I come to NYC I would deduct the 200-300.if I ever come back to NYC. Since I'm really busy going and touching down all over America."
That is when I knew the deposit game was a scam for them to take your money. I call them deposit demons.
From that point on I never do deposits at all.
These chicks that are proving in queens Manhattan and Bronx. Ask for 100-50 dollars to do FaceTime. And want a 100-200 dollar deposit if you are serious. Do not do it.
Also. Be careful with the trannies posing as girls on the female escort sites. They are trying to trick dudes. A lot of are post op. But they are dudes. Be careful. Check the adams apple. The feet and hands.
[QUOTE=LatinLicker;6363629]As someone who's been in the "game" for a long while now, I just wanted to add balance to some of the HYPERBOLIC talk on here like "there's nothing out there" and "the Bronx is done" that might discourage a younger, more inexperienced monger.
First of all, if you pick a "short stay" at a CDP, and it's your FIRST time with the girl, chances are, it's going to SUCK.
Unless you really are a "wham, bam, thank you ma'am" kinda guy, chances are these girls are going to rush you or try to upsell you.
They assume that if you're a "SS" kinda customer, meaning a CHEAP bastard not worth seeing, so why not get you out of the way, and onto a more LUCRATIVE session?
I learned my lesson the hard way, so unless I'm really unsure about the girl, I usually schedule the half, even with a new girl..[/QUOTE]Yo I actually appreciate that because I'm a younger guy still fairly new to the game and always had issue with cpd going and regretting the experience after and now putting how you did makes so much sense never had a bad experience with downtown AMP and worth the much higher prices.
[QUOTE=HinesKarlton;6364025]Never ever give deposit. This cannot be said enough. I know you will have a guy on here that will come and refute everything I say. "I have a relationship with her I'm a regular, I give her the deposit and she always sees me and takes care of me".
Yeah you are not the average. You are a monger that builds a rapport with a provider.
Don't ever do deposits. I learned my lesson. I wanted to see a pornstar in NYC. She was in the 600-500 range.(cheap for what pornstars charge).
Anyway she tried to finnesse me into giving her 200-300 deposit upfront. Through the apps, PayPal or bank transfer. And than I could pay the rest in cash in person.
She hit me "I'm only in the city for tonight. After that I'm gone to the next town".
Than I asked her "what if she leaves before I see her and I already gave her the deposit".
She told me verbatim "well that would just be my little gift from you. And whenever I come to NYC I would deduct the 200-300.if I ever come back to NYC. Since I'm really busy going and touching down all over America."
That is when I knew the deposit game was a scam for them to take your money. I call them deposit demons.
From that point on I never do deposits at all.
These chicks that are proving in queens Manhattan and Bronx. Ask for 100-50 dollars to do FaceTime. And want a 100-200 dollar deposit if you are serious. Do not do it.
Also. Be careful with the trannies posing as girls on the female escort sites. They are trying to trick dudes. A lot of are post op. But they are dudes. Be careful. Check the Adams apple. The feet and hands.[/QUOTE]Exactly bro smh and the h0 m0 z taking over the sites now. It's so crazy and aggravating. I barely monger now cause I keep seeing the same old WG I smashed and cdps which is trash to me. So every now and then a new girl comes once in a while but then again idk. If she's real or not I got to ft her and if she say no it's a dubb. I don't know how you guys still getting lucky out here LOL it's just the same WGs too me but ill sit back and wait LOL.
[QUOTE=LatinLicker;6363629]
First of all, if you pick a "short stay" at a CDP, and it's your FIRST time with the girl, chances are, it's going to SUCK.
Unless you really are a "wham, bam, thank you ma'am" kinda guy, chances are these girls are going to rush you or try to upsell you.
They assume that if you're a "SS" kinda customer, meaning a CHEAP bastard not worth seeing, so why not get you out of the way, and onto a more LUCRATIVE session?
I learned my lesson the hard way, so unless I'm really unsure about the girl, I usually schedule the half, even with a new girl.
.[/QUOTE]Even outside of the CDP sector it's a disadvantage to pick a short stay with any chick. If you say you want short stay, they will see you if there's nobody else calling them at the moment. But even if the appointment is booked, and another guy calls them and say they want a half hour, she will ignore you and your calls / texts. A short stay customer is not necessary cheap, some might be but there are guys like myself who also allocate a fixed amount of money for the hobby, and when I've seen a couple of 200 hh 300 hr types, my funds for the hobby starts to get low so I'll see a chick I really want to bang and she offer Short stay, I go for it.
I agree with the previous posts that going with at least a half will give you priority over a ss, at least for cdp and certain providers. I've only been to a cdp once and didn't like the experience. The session was good but I felt lame sitting on a couch in the kitchen with 2 other dudes like we were waiting for a haircut. The other thing about cdp's is that they will say anything to get you in the door. They put that the girl was down for bbj, and I confirmed that when I texted. But when I got there and paid the dude for my hh, he says it depends on how she feels. When I got in the room she says she doesn't do that. I got her to kiss it at least, but I hate showing up for a specific thing and not being able to get it.
When it comes to most providers, I only do ss to test them out. I've paid for hh before and got rushed after barely 10 minutes. On the other hand, I've paid for a ss and gotten much more time. I would never pay more than the bare minimum on a first visit. That way if I take an L it won't really hurt. Then I can determine if she's worth a longer session.
[QUOTE=DubDub34;6364828]I agree with the previous posts that going with at least a half will give you priority over a ss, at least for cdp and certain providers. I've only been to a cdp once and didn't like the experience. The session was good but I felt lame sitting on a couch in the kitchen with 2 other dudes like we were waiting for a haircut. The other thing about cdp's is that they will say anything to get you in the door. They put that the girl was down for bbj, and I confirmed that when I texted. But when I got there and paid the dude for my hh, he says it depends on how she feels. When I got in the room she says she doesn't do that. I got her to kiss it at least, but I hate showing up for a specific thing and not being able to get it.
When it comes to most providers, I only do ss to test them out. I've paid for hh before and got rushed after barely 10 minutes. On the other hand, I've paid for a ss and gotten much more time. I would never pay more than the bare minimum on a first visit. That way if I take an L it won't really hurt. Then I can determine if she's worth a longer session.[/QUOTE]In the past, I would lean towards the hour as I am not into fast food and like to enjoy my meal, maybe have seconds. Then over time you get short changed on time more and more, and the MSOG acronym has vaporized as the hustling has become more intense. It used to be a red flag to me if a girl had SS rates, as she was too high volume for me. Or if an hour rate was not provided as an option. The rate schedule was always a good indicator as to how the session would go. Nowadays, many ladies or handlers ask how long do you want as their first question, and if you ask for SS, some don't respond.
[QUOTE=PlanetEarth;6365084]In the past, I would lean towards the hour as I am not into fast food and like to enjoy my meal, maybe have seconds. Then over time you get short changed on time more and more, and the MSOG acronym has vaporized as the hustling has become more intense. It used to be a red flag to me if a girl had SS rates, as she was too high volume for me. Or if an hour rate was not provided as an option. The rate schedule was always a good indicator as to how the session would go. Nowadays, many ladies or handlers ask how long do you want as their first question, and if you ask for SS, some don't respond.[/QUOTE]I am wam bam damn thank you ma'am type of man.
I do short stays and 30 minutes max.
She can think I'm a cheap bastard all she wants.
She is the one doing this for a living.
I have a family to go back to in real life.
[QUOTE=RayyMan;6362947]I'm more than happy to TOFTT on these but I genuinely can't find these places. I've been on bedpage and other searches for months since your original post / advice in September but to no avail. Happy to TOFTT if guidance can be provided. I only like going to these types of places and they're more UTR.[/QUOTE]Same I have spent a lot of time searching and to no avail.
[QUOTE=LatinLicker;6363629]As someone who's been in the "game" for a long while now, I just wanted to add balance to some of the HYPERBOLIC talk on here like "there's nothing out there" and "the Bronx is done" that might discourage a younger, more inexperienced monger.
First of all, if you pick a "short stay" at a CDP, and it's your FIRST time with the girl, chances are, it's going to SUCK.
Unless you really are a "wham, bam, thank you ma'am" kinda guy, chances are these girls are going to rush you or try to upsell you.
They assume that if you're a "SS" kinda customer, meaning a CHEAP bastard not worth seeing, so why not get you out of the way, and onto a more LUCRATIVE session?
I learned my lesson the hard way, so unless I'm really unsure about the girl, I usually schedule the half, even with a new girl.
.[/QUOTE]First of all, anytime a fellow monger defends bad service, it's a bad look. Don't defend these girls, and don't defend these CDP's.
Also just a heads up. Seeing a girl you’ve never met for the first time for a 30 min or more is horrible advice. Unless she is well reviewed. You could be paying 150 half hour for a girl to start switching up on you once you hand over the money. Had you done the 60 to 100ss you would have cut down your losses in case the girl turns out to be horrible (which most of these girls are).
Also just a heads up, how much time you choose with a girl has nothing to do with who she is as a person and by extension her level of service. If she is a shitty person, she will typically give shitty service to the ss half or full hour.
If she has a good head on her shoulders she will give you good service ss half or hour.
Yeah sure girls give priority to the longer sessions. But what good is that “priority” if it’s the priority to get screwed over.
SS ALWAYS with first time girl unless she is well reviewed. AMPs give better service because Asian girls generally know what their doing and want customers to keep coming back (not everybody is gonna pay 350 for an hour session so you need to build a client base).
[QUOTE=AbuSaho;6361556] IAny way that is odd out of all the ads in the Bronx section you see the one I reviewed as if you got the idea from my post.[/QUOTE]Ok bro. Yeah I used to review a lot in the Bronx with you and MRGJ a few years back. Yeah I stopped and abandoned the Bronx and this forum cause I didn't like the state of the Bronx. Don't got to come at me like that. And FYI there are certain spots in the Bronx I keep an eye on for potential talent for various reasons. Your not the only one who knows about the Chinese human trafficking ring in the Bronx.
[QUOTE=AttackMaster1;6367837]First of all, anytime a fellow monger defends bad service, it's a bad look. Don't defend these girls, and don't defend these CDP's.
Also just a heads up. Seeing a girl youve never met for the first time for a 30 min or more is horrible advice. Unless she is well reviewed. You could be paying 150 half hour for a girl to start switching up on you once you hand over the money. Had you done the 60 to 100ss you would have cut down your losses in case the girl turns out to be horrible (which most of these girls are).
Also just a heads up, how much time you choose with a girl has nothing to do with who she is as a person and by extension her level of service. If she is a shitty person, she will typically give shitty service to the ss half or full hour.
If she has a good head on her shoulders she will give you good service ss half or hour.
Yeah sure girls give priority to the longer sessions. But what good is that priority if its the priority to get screwed over.
SS ALWAYS with first time girl unless she is well reviewed. AMPs give better service because Asian girls generally know what their doing and want customers to keep coming back (not everybody is gonna pay 350 for an hour session so you need to build a client base).[/QUOTE]FYI, I wasn't DEFENDING "bad service," rather EXPLANING it, based on my experience. There's a DIFFERENCE.
And, yes, in MY experience, opting for the SHORT stay almost always guarantees nothing but a SHITTY time, and should not be taken as an acurrate representation of the girls potential. Some have LITERALLY told me that, as well experiencing it first hand.
As for whether a girl with a "good head on her shoulders" would inevitably give you "good service?
That's just NAIVE, bro.