"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2302958]Sex gets boring with the same partner after a while, therefore the partners get less caring about pleasing the other and the relationship spirals downhill. I do think women enjoy sex in the right circumstance -primarily when they are looking for support. Why is it that divorcees get separated, go to the gym, diet, and regain their attractive appearance and attitude? I am seeing my first MILF divorcee soon. We shall see. Call me cynical but the mental and physical quality is much improved in the 20's over the 40's.

Menopause? There is nothing good that happens sexually after that time of life except they can't get pregnant and therefore might be less inhibited.

By the way, men stop trying as well. We can get fat, slovenly, and stop trying to impress our mates, therefore turning them off. A new guy will have his best face on and will be better, at least for while.[/QUOTE]I've noticed that for both males and females, unexplainable weight gain seems to be almost the first symptom of being recently hitched. When I was married, there were times I definitely started slacking off at the gym, and felt that common feeling of entitlement or feeling licensed to let myself go. I don't know why we do it though. After that marriage, I told myself that no matter what I will never succumb to complacency again and allow myself and be one of "those people" who think that marriage (or a live-in relationship) is the end game and where taking care of ourselves stops. Getting too comfortable with our partner is often a death-wish in a relationship. Maybe one of the reasons things are still working with my GF is because I've applied lessons learned in the past. Within reason, I try to always behave the same way I would if it were someone I'd only known a couple of weeks. A good rule of thumb is that if it's a behavior you wouldn't reveal a professional colleague, think twice before getting too comfortable and revealing it to your partner, and never grow complacent for better longevity.

None of this really helps keep sex exciting though. As you said, that's going to decline just because of sheer lack of variety one way or another. One of the best things about the bowl, online dating in general, or even bar hopping is the sheer excitement of fucking someone who is almost a total stranger. I think that's one of the reasons these SBs do it -- sex without the strings of caring too much who the other person really is has an excitement to it that is impossible to match in any regular relationship, even with the boy of their dreams that is their own age.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2302681]Don't get married. Follow Hollywood's guide to non marital harmony. A sugar is dischargable without penalty such a alimony. So be a profssional Sugar Daddy which will work as long as the money is adequate to play the game.[/QUOTE]Nailed it exactly right. I've never been married and very likely never will be. I'm just not built to be in a long-term relationship like that. The sugar relationships are the only relationships for me and have been for a few years now.

[QUOTE=FotoGuy1970;2298492]Last month, I was talking to this POT who was someone I was really looking forward to meeting, but every time we made plans to meet, she became too busy and we had to reschedule. That went on for a couple of weeks and then she went radio silent, which I was fine with. I was already starting to think she would never go through with meeting anyway.

So then a few days ago she texts me out of the blue, asking if I was still interested in meeting her. I made a comment that our schedules don't seem to be working out, but she assures me that she would be free to see me this weekend. She says that she is in a bad spot and is hoping I could see her a few times this week. I'm cautiously optimistic. So I text her on Saturday to see what her schedule is like. I get a very, very brief response and that's it. I already see where this is going, but I text her again on Sunday to see if we're still meeting up. She explains she's too busy with homework.[/QUOTE]Heard back from this POT again today, she was pushing pretty hard to see me for an overnight (she claims she has no place to stay right now). I would probably have seen her, except I already have a date with my regular SB. I offered to see the POT later tonight, but she never replied to my text. She claims to want to see me early next week, so we'll see. I'd really love to bang this girl at least once, she's definitely my type. If only she'd quit flaking out on me.

"You better add a few zeros after that 100. And 800 a month? Please. I make more than that in a week. You can't afford me".

I am so bummed. LOL.

Maybe I should have offered a one zero more? Nah.

[URL]http://www.sugardaddyforme.com/index.php?page=profile&pmid=4428878&from=mail_list[/URL]

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2303339]"You better add a few zeros after that 100. And 800 a month? Please. I make more than that in a week. You can't afford me".

I am so bummed. LOL.

Maybe I should have offered a one zero more? Nah.

[URL]http://www.sugardaddyforme.com/index.php?page=profile&pmid=4428878&from=mail_list[/URL][/QUOTE]You were being generous with what you offered. She's weird looking IMHO, Good riddance, right?

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2303339]"You better add a few zeros after that 100. And 800 a month? Please. I make more than that in a week. You can't afford me".

I am so bummed. LOL.

Maybe I should have offered a one zero more? Nah.

[URL]http://www.sugardaddyforme.com/index.php?page=profile&pmid=4428878&from=mail_list[/URL][/QUOTE]Yes, offer one 1 zero more. Just before the 100. If she's making more than 800 per week maybe she should be paying you.

[QUOTE=GetLost;2303481]You were being generous with what you offered. She's weird looking IMHO, Good riddance, right?[/QUOTE]Honestly, I never reply to these girls. But some of their responses do keep me entertained. This one I don't give a shit about. Its only the very pretty black girls that would be so so happy if only I offered $$ instead of $. But I am going to post the turn downs when I think they"re funny.

Check out #1901709 on SA. She is an interesting looking girl and can be yours for only $1500 / week. I can't even begin to think about what she could do to earn that. I'd be so happy with a different girl every week for 1/2 of that.

Hollywood chick: $100 + 00 ? Again, possibly / year but per date?

I think some of these babies throw a dream number out there that is enough make their year, and if some idiot pays it then good for them. It's like the old joke about the girl in the bar-you all know it "what do you think I am. We would all do something for the right price --right?

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2303600]Honestly, I never reply to these girls. But some of their responses do keep me entertained. This one I don't give a shit about. Its only the very pretty black girls that would be so so happy if only I offered $$ instead of $. But I am going to post the turn downs when I think they"re funny.[/QUOTE]I don't know if things have changed, but about 10 years ago I met a girl on Match who the pic you posted reminded me of (it's not the same girl -- this girl would be about 34 by now and she also wasn't bitchy or crazy). She was living in the DC Area at that time but had moved there from L. A. She said east coast dating was driving her nuts because the female to male ratio was so high, and she missed LA because the situation was the opposite, and dating was in the woman's favor. Like I said a lot could change in 10 years I suppose, but that may be one reason the non-AA demographic seems so snooty or GPS out that way, they just have more options than they deserve to have. All the black girls I've ever known seem thrilled to bang a white guy. It's not my target demographic, but on the occasion I've done it they are always enthusiastic when it comes to sex.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2303861]I don't know if things have changed, but about 10 years ago I met a girl on Match who the pic you posted reminded me of (it's not the same girl -- this girl would be about 34 by now and she also wasn't bitchy or crazy). She was living in the DC Area at that time but had moved there from L. A. She said east coast dating was driving her nuts because the female to male ratio was so high, and she missed LA because the situation was the opposite, and dating was in the woman's favor. Like I said a lot could change in 10 years I suppose, but that may be one reason the non-AA demographic seems so snooty or GPS out that way, they just have more options than they deserve to have. All the black girls I've ever known seem thrilled to bang a white guy. It's not my target demographic, but on the occasion I've done it they are always enthusiastic when it comes to sex.[/QUOTE]The white girls here are a joke. I saw a cute one when I went out last night for dinner. She was sitting with her same age BF. And all I could think about was the 10 minute thrill ride she was going to get later. LOL. She was looking at me and my 25 year old date and I am sure a thought or 2 crossed her mind when our eyes met. And yes the black girls are so enthusiastic and far more skilled in my experience. There's that old saying about go dancing with a girl to figure out how good she will be in bed later. Which isn't really true. But on some level it is. And no white girl can move like a black girl on or off the dance floor IMHO.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2304051]The white girls here are a joke. I saw a cute one when I went out last night for dinner. She was sitting with her same age BF. And all I could think about was the 10 minute thrill ride she was going to get later. LOL. She was looking at me and my 25 year old date and I am sure a thought or 2 crossed her mind when our eyes met. And yes the black girls are so enthusiastic and far more skilled in my experience. There's that old saying about go dancing with a girl to figure out how good she will be in bed later. Which isn't really true. But on some level it is. And no white girl can move like a black girl on or off the dance floor IMHO.[/QUOTE]I heard about the correlation with dancing and sexual prowess a long time ago, and observed it to be true in some cases (but as you said, not all which nullifies the theory). One of my SBs was a little (Caucasian) stripper I met while she was working. She was really not talented as a dancer at all, and really lousy as far as professional strippers go, but still stunningly pretty, an ass and legs I will never forget, and most surprisingly was her blowjob skills. If you've ever had one of those BJs where you feel like you could cum right away and keep cumming every minute or so, and your body seems to separate itself from reality the moment your cock enters the girl's mouth because it just feels that good, well that's how good her BJ was. As far as I can tell she was just born with a very talented mouth, she wasn't trying extra hard to please and she was unaware how special she was with that. It's just the way she did it by her very nature. She didn't make a lot of noise or talk a lot of shit during sex, but the fucking was just as good as the oral. Still a lousy dancer though.

But, the reason the dancing theory is true a lot of the time isn't even what many people might think (I. E. Either tying either skill to race or physical theories like flexibility, etc.). I think it's just that girls that dance well in a club tend to be party people that go out a lot -- and in general sleep around more as a result. Both dancing and sex are skills that get better with practice, and the nightclub scene is a place where one can get lots of practice. Good dancers tend to know how to invest themselves emotionally in the moment, forget about everything else and make the most of where they are right then and there, and as it turns out doing the same thing will make you better at sex. But, there are always exceptions. I have known black girls who couldn't dance at all.

Most of my sexual history is made up of encounters with white, asian, latina, and mixed girls, but the black girls I've been with all exhibited certain traits. The traits I liked were that they all seemed really damn glad to know me -- they made me feel like a trophy and maybe in black culture dating a white guy is considered some sort of status symbol or special achievement? I don't know, only speculation here. In bed, they were REALLY in touch with what they liked. Whenever I did something they like, they weren't shy about asking me to keep doing it, and the hornier they are, and the more they cum then the more fun the sex session is. That's something that I do see in other demographics, but usually not until they know me much better and have had sex with me many times. Some women won't tell you at all, they prefer you just figure it out. The traits that I did not like in black women are that they come across as more needy, for example wanting to hang around long after daddy is done with his business to cuddle up or whatever, and that's usually not what I'm looking for. The other thing is that when in the SB role, they can tend to be reckless dinner and bar dates. By that, I mean they will order the most expensive item from the menu they can find, take a few bites out of it and then order something else like they are planning to sample the whole damn menu. I know you've got it streamlined so you skip the wine and dine activity, but I prefer my dates be someone who I can genuinely enjoy their company for a couple of hours before we go to the FC, and the juvenile behavior of acting like a nice restaurant is an all you can eat buffet is a real turn off to me for whatever reason. I am also a little bit choosier when it comes to black girls, in the sense that I like to see verified college girls or confirmed graduates starting their career. This is just because of the sheer number of pros / UTRs out there -- AA culture seems to be so much more tolerant (perhaps even encouraging) of them being a pro, and that's a turn off for me.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2304093]I heard about the correlation with dancing and sexual prowess a long time ago, and observed it to be true in some cases (but as you said, not all which nullifies the theory). One of my SBs was a little (Caucasian) stripper I met while she was working. She was really not talented as a dancer at all, and really lousy as far as professional strippers go, but still stunningly pretty, an ass and legs I will never forget, and most surprisingly was her blowjob skills. If you've ever had one of those BJs where you feel like you could cum right away and keep cumming every minute or so, and your body seems to separate itself from reality the moment your cock enters the girl's mouth because it just feels that good, well that's how good her BJ was. As far as I can tell she was just born with a very talented mouth, she wasn't trying extra hard to please and she was unaware how special she was with that. It's just the way she did it by her very nature. She didn't make a lot of noise or talk a lot of shit during sex, but the fucking was just as good as the oral. Still a lousy dancer though.

But, the reason the dancing theory is true a lot of the time isn't even what many people might think (I. E. Either tying either skill to race or physical theories like flexibility, etc.). I think it's just that girls that dance well in a club tend to be party people that go out a lot -- and in general sleep around more as a result. Both dancing and sex are skills that get better with practice, and the nightclub scene is a place where one can get lots of practice. Good dancers tend to know how to invest themselves emotionally in the moment, forget about everything else and make the most of where they are right then and there, and as it turns out doing the same thing will make you better at sex. But, there are always exceptions. I have known black girls who couldn't dance at all.

Most of my sexual history is made up of encounters with white, asian, latina, and mixed girls, but the black girls I've been with all exhibited certain traits. The traits I liked were that they all seemed really damn glad to know me -- they made me feel like a trophy and maybe in black culture dating a white guy is considered some sort of status symbol or special achievement? I don't know, only speculation here. In bed, they were REALLY in touch with what they liked. Whenever I did something they like, they weren't shy about asking me to keep doing it, and the hornier they are, and the more they cum then the more fun the sex session is. That's something that I do see in other demographics, but usually not until they know me much better and have had sex with me many times. Some women won't tell you at all, they prefer you just figure it out. The traits that I did not like in black women are that they come across as more needy, for example wanting to hang around long after daddy is done with his business to cuddle up or whatever, and that's usually not what I'm looking for. The other thing is that when in the SB role, they can tend to be reckless dinner and bar dates. By that, I mean they will order the most expensive item from the menu they can find, take a few bites out of it and then order something else like they are planning to sample the whole damn menu. I know you've got it streamlined so you skip the wine and dine activity, but I prefer my dates be someone who I can genuinely enjoy their company for a couple of hours before we go to the FC, and the juvenile behavior of acting like a nice restaurant is an all you can eat buffet is a real turn off to me for whatever reason. I am also a little bit choosier when it comes to black girls, in the sense that I like to see verified college girls or confirmed graduates starting their career. This is just because of the sheer number of pros / UTRs out there -- AA culture seems to be so much more tolerant (perhaps even encouraging) of them being a pro, and that's a turn off for me.[/QUOTE]BJ skills are all over the place. Definitely some of the best BJ's I ever had were from non AA girls. But for just straight up fucking no one can move their hips like a black girl. Also they are more in tune with the Dominant Daddy / Baby Girl dynamic (which is the only thing I am interested in). And as I eat out 7 days a week, most of my dining is at moderately priced local ethnic places that I can take anyone to. It's pretty hard to get reckless at a chinese restaurant. I usually just have one or at most 2 GF types to chill with. Between work and whoever is the designated GF of the moment I dont have much time for anything more than the FC for any other girl.

Ok, another week to report.

First, Saw and brought two SB's back to the FC. SB1 just flat out met me at the FC. We'd talked on the phone and texted for about a week. She's 44 and kind of big. But, she stayed about 4 hours and I fucked her 5 times. She was very enthusiastic. Not sure if that's enough to make up for the "big. " Best part is, it was free. She's just looking to get some on the side, no charge. She's in a live in relationship but supposedly is without physical contact. So, she's basically begging for it. Dunno if will repeat. Maybe if bored and no other prospects.

POT1, I've been texting and talking to on the phone for 2 weeks, 28, much better looking (according to her pics, and I FB stalked her and found her profile. Most of these chicks are way easy to track down who they really are). Same situation as above, live in relationship going nowhere, looking to "spice it up," (her words in a text). We text during the day, and she usually calls me on her way home from work and we talk the hour or so it takes her to drive home. Problem is, she lives about 1. 25 hours away. She was supposed to come down last Sunday and then Sunday, went phone / text silent. Monday, she texts her kid dropped her phone in the bathtub (why have the phone near the bathtub in the first place? And it fried it. She supposedly got a new one Monday and texted she was sorry. Ok, I'll give her a mulligan. She said she was free to come down to the FC tomorrow (Saturday) and we texted and talked and stuff this week like before. And then tonight at our 5 pm phone call she says she may have to work tomorrow. I began making other plans. Sure enough, I texted her and she said she found out about 8 pm she's got some conference call (I call bullshit) tomorrow from 8-10. Said "She might be able to come down after it ends. " Ehhhh, I'm not into "might be able's. " This is number two flake out on her, imo. So, I'm dialing it back. Be kind of standoffish. Pretend I'm not really waiting around on her. What's odd, is that the day after I started talking to her, she deactivated her profile on SA and hasn't been back on. That was two weeks ago. Dunno. She sounds like she'd be fun when we talk, but I'm getting the "strung along" vibe from her, so focus is shifting.

SB2, actually met for breakfast and then back to the FC for about 1. 5 hours. Only got her one time. And she just flat out brought up $$ and I said I was looking for 100 each time we meet. She said "Can't go any higher?" I countered with 120 and she said "it's Christmas. " I said I'd do 120 from now on, but today, I'd go 200 as an Christmas bonus. She was 28, pretty good body, but a bit skinny and not sure she was really into it. Felt more business like. Repeat turn may not happen.

POT2, flaked out earlier this week on a M&G, and so I gave her a mulligan, and we have a M&G tomorrow night. She seems eager on text, we'll see.

POT3 I had as a backup in case POT1 above flaked on tomorrow afternoon. So, when she flaked tonight, I bumped POT3 up into that slot. She's older, but supposedly wants to have some fun. We'll see.

Then, I had a couple discussions this week with about 3/4 ladies with terminal cases of GPS. These ladies may starve asking what they are asking. One was about an hour away, in BFE, and said to come to my place, was 500, plus 100 for gas. It's probably 120 miles roundtrip. She must be driving a model T or something. I said, Way out of my price range. We haggled a a bit and just left it at what it won't happen.

Another was also asking 500 a pop and I said nope. I have been using a line of "well, if you can get someone to pay 500 a meeting, you should be getting that from that dude, you don't need to be trying to see me. " I used it on both this one and the one above I mentioned. I'm respectful and polite but make it clear I'm not paying that kind of jack, and maybe we just need to explore other options. And both cases, the next day or so, they open back up a line of comm with "well, what can you pay. " I'm going to be wary of dealing with them.

[QUOTE=Almighty;2304399]But, she stayed about 4 hours and I fucked her 5 times. She was very enthusiastic. Not sure if that's enough to make up for the "big. " Best part is, it was free.

SB2, actually met for breakfast and then back to the FC for about 1. 5 hours. Only got her one time. And she just flat out brought up $$ and I said I was looking for 100 each time we meet. She said "Can't go any higher?" I countered with 120 and she said "it's Christmas. " I said I'd do 120 from now on, but today, I'd go 200 as an Christmas bonus. She was 28, pretty good body, but a bit skinny and not sure she was really into it. Felt more business like. Repeat turn may not happen.

Another was also asking 500 a pop and I said nope. I have been using a line of "well, if you can get someone to pay 500 a meeting, you should be getting that from that dude, you don't need to be trying to see me. " I used it on both this one and the one above I mentioned. I'm respectful and polite but make it clear I'm not paying that kind of jack, and maybe we just need to explore other options. And both cases, the next day or so, they open back up a line of comm with "well, what can you pay. " I'm going to be wary of dealing with them.[/QUOTE]The $$ girl will never see you for less than $$ again. The $$$$$ girls. Never reply or negotiate. Total waste of time. You got a freebee so that's cool. Helps lower the average for the month. Pics pics pics.

Was at a M&G with a pretty 20 why Latina at a local Starbucks last evening. Met her there and after about 15 minutes she says, "do you think you could give me a ride home after this? My mom is waiting in the car outside and I want to tell her she can go home. " I almost didn't know what to say because I totally was not expecting that comment, LOL. Was a little conflicted as well because some alarms were going off in my head telling me this wasn't normal. But, the little head won out and we visited the FC and then I dropped her off at home later. Kind of a crazy evening but in the end it worked out well. I'm still laughing this morning about it.