Massage Parlor Reports

Finally got a chance to visit this spa located in CT. The place looked clean and got Coco for the massage. She looked decent in early 40's I guess. I asked for hard massage and as expected massage was ok nothing special to talk about. Before the flip there was a lot of teasing and was reciprocating to my touches. UTC was allowed and was even able to get out suck on her small titties while she slowly worked on my HE. All in all it was a good experience and guess there is more to available than simple HE. I will be repeating again.

Went down to Pink this weekend after Big Papi's final farewell. I saw one of the youngest providers there yet. She was a treat to behold and had a really great session with her. PM for more details but I would definitely run not walk to see her before she goes back to where she came from. I really enjoyed the time spent with her.

Checked out Lotus the other day.

Average 40-45, friendly; OTC; Average; Typical.

40/40 for the half.

Yezi. Amanda.

Went in for a 60 minute visit, but nearly halfway through the massage, she said that she could only do a 30 minute massage. Massage was solid, but she used her nails too much during the tease. Received the same finish as previously discussed in the thread for a. 6 tip. She was initially hesitant when I asked, but she performed well. Total damages was 1. 0.

Lily. Chi Bodyworks.

One of the best massages that I've received at a AMP. Lots of tease (about 10 minutes worth). I've been seeing her for the past year or so, so she knows exactly what I like. She does book up fast, so appointment is necessary. Also, they often do not answer their phones and will call you back on another line if they are busy. Standard. 6/. 4.

CoCo. Lily Spa Brookline.

I asked for a medium massage and only got a feather touch. She didn't take that much direction because of a language barrier. Only after I said harder in Chinese did she put a little pressure in the massage. Tease was mediocre. The woman here are on the younger side, but they are all really going through the motions. Also, the walls are fairly thin, so you can hear what's going on elsewhere. (FYI, guy that sounded like he was in a porn flick: Thanks for that.).

Anyone seen Julie in revere? She looks familiar, so maybe I've had her somewhere before.

[URL]http://boston.craigslist.org/nos/thp/5810950544.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=Spaz2580;3096048]Maddie. Any info on her? Seen her CL ads over the years but never tried her out. Seems she moves around quite often and advertises $35. Not sure if that's for half hour or what? And she's not asian.

Also Julie in revere (CL ads). She looks familiar from her pic.[/QUOTE]Julie offers a decent massage and you will leave satisfied. She has a massage table and a mat on the floor next to it. She likes to use her feet on you (which I didn't care for).

Price is fair and I have repeated.

DP.

[QUOTE=SlowMo;2993823]I recently tried the new place in Lexington center on Muzzey st: [URL]http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/thp/5682283872.html[/URL].

Bottom line: average / standard.

The building is on a busy street with restaurant. Fair amount of foot traffic on the street, so that's a turn off. On the other hand, the place is inside a multi-tenant older house, and the AMP has very discreet signage, so it's somewhat inconspicuous. I saw two asian ladies. Both with dyed blond hair. Mid / late 30's I guess. OK looking, heavy makeup, very decent body. Not my type of women, but I could understand if they are for some. The place has several cameras inside. Average massage, standard HE, OTC only.

SM.[/QUOTE]I was in the vicinity so I stopped by, too. The usual: A masseuse who barely understood English and who declined UTC on 1st visit but promised it on next visit. She was nice enough and tried to take direction, but she couldn't help herself from reverting to old habits (too strong grip, super-speed shaking) when she sensed I was close, even though that's not really my preference. Over the years there have been a handful (er, so to speak) of providers at AMP's who understood the tease and finesse of a sensual release, and after a face massage at one place I suffered floaters for months, and the massage is usually too hard when I ask for soft and too soft when I ask for hard.

I enter these places after convincing myself that I'll get a decent massage and release, and maybe a bit of above-the-waist UTC play, and after all it's just house fee + 40 or maybe house fee + 50 . . . But even for a grand total of 80 (if not 90 or 100), it always seems that for an extra 20 there are lots of providers who would be more than happy to offer an amateur massage in the nude followed by a leisurely release.

I'm going to take some time off from AMP's for a while and see if I'm personally more satisfied visiting independents for a change.

I'll be back. . . Or not.

Adobe.

Thanks for info. $75 is a bit steep for legit massage. Will pass.

[QUOTE=MassageMama;3097127]T.

Maddie gives great massages, is very pretty and in very good shape but that's it. Totally legit. I know what her ad says but deep tissue is $75/ hour.[/QUOTE]

Years ago I met with some women who provided a service that I can't find anymore. It included a nude or near-nude sensual body rub with plenty of tease, above-the-waist roaming, and an excellent finish for 1. 5 or so. I wish there were still such options out there. I've had good experiences lately at CB in Waltham for less money, but of course without the nudity or unfettered roaming. Any thoughts?

[QUOTE=Adobe;3103060]I was in the vicinity so I stopped by, too. The usual: A masseuse who barely understood English and who declined UTC on 1st visit but promised it on next visit. She was nice enough and tried to take direction, but she couldn't help herself from reverting to old habits (too strong grip, super-speed shaking) when she sensed I was close, even though that's not really my preference. Over the years there have been a handful (er, so to speak) of providers at AMP's who understood the tease and finesse of a sensual release, and after a face massage at one place I suffered floaters for months, and the massage is usually too hard when I ask for soft and too soft when I ask for hard.

I enter these places after convincing myself that I'll get a decent massage and release, and maybe a bit of above-the-waist UTC play, and after all it's just house fee + 40 or maybe house fee + 50 . . . But even for a grand total of 80 (if not 90 or 100), it always seems that for an extra 20 there are lots of providers who would be more than happy to offer an amateur massage in the nude followed by a leisurely release.

I'm going to take some time off from AMP's for a while and see if I'm personally more satisfied visiting independents for a change.

I'll be back. . . Or not.

Adobe.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OxyMoron;3103581]Years ago I met with some women who provided a service that I can't find anymore. It included a nude or near-nude sensual body rub with plenty of tease, above-the-waist roaming, and an excellent finish for 1. 5 or so. I wish there were still such options out there. I've had good experiences lately at CB in Waltham for less money, but of course without the nudity or unfettered roaming. Any thoughts?[/QUOTE]It's out there, the unfettered teaseful roamful sensual massage, but of course not ad easy to find as the Hunny-you-finish-soon quickie we're used to. That's why I write that I don't think they're easily found at an AMP. There was a gal in Boston who offered topless sensual massage (more of a bodyrub but still nice, especially performed by a cute busy girl in her twenties), and the rate was 80 for 15 minutes and 120 for a half-hour. The downside was she was so hot there was a bit of frustration that more wasn't available, especially at that rate.

Not so much in Boston these days, but you can find in Providence, from time to time, more than a few ladies who normally offer FS but would no doubt be glad to offer FBSM at their usual, or a slightly reduced, rate. In this area, around Boston, certain Brazilian ladies offer FBSM (Leeza comes to mind), but the donation ion the high side, almost double the standard fees at an AMP.

Good luck, though!

Sunrise in H20 town. Legit. Good medium massage. No tease. No happy departure. But a really good legit massage.

Any one try the new spot in Ames Bury? If not, I'll TOFTT in the next couple of weeks.

I just came back from a business trip in Dallas, there are say a dozen "massage" places that offer full service and the service was as good or better than any soapy I've been to in Thailand.

The AMP places around here are a complete waist of time in comparison. Same hourly rate, $140 tip. It was amazing!

[QUOTE=Spaz2580;3100441]Anyone seen Julie in revere? She looks familiar, so maybe I've had her somewhere before.

[URL]http://boston.craigslist.org/nos/thp/5810950544.html[/URL][/QUOTE]I've frequented julie in the past because of location and price. Happiness and UTC everywhere has always been had by me.

Dropped in to visit CiCi at Ocean. She wasn't there but different CiCi now there. Very playful and even better than CiCi 1. 0.

CiCi 2. 0 not a looker but works hard for her tips. Great sense of humor and interactions. Probably one of the most fun times I've ever had at an AMP. Reminds me of Fiona at Crescent but times 10! Kinda kooky, very fun.

Looks = 5, rub = 3 (she even joked that she didn't know what she was doing), finish = 10.

I will definetly return.

SPS.

So you only pull her bra off and licked her nipples and for that you tip another 20? Geesh, for that price, I could get a complete GFE and FS at times if I really push it.

[QUOTE=Omfgboo;2984670]I can second that. Angela is definitely one of the best in town. You'll probably have to sit on the couch for 15 minutes to see her, but just suck it up seriously. She plays with your ass immediately into the session, and she licked my nipples automatically without me saying anything on the flip. For 60+60 I got to pull her bra up and suck on her nice breasts too.[/QUOTE]

GFE FS for such a bargain rate?? Wow Man you're so much better than everyone else with all the bargains these girls give you! I need to reevaluate my ideas. So, I treat them like crap, "push" things on them, short change them, never show appreciation because we wouldn't want these hookers getting too confident in this game. Then I should come here and criticize anyone who does the opposite of you? Douchbag status achieved!

[QUOTE=Negsiro;3105446]So you only pull her bra off and licked her nipples and for that you tip another 20? Geesh, for that price, I could get a complete GFE and FS at times if I really push it.[/QUOTE]

If a few guys overtip, are they causing the prices to rise for everyone? The answer is -- it depends.

Let's assume the average AMP worker is available 10 hours per day, six days per week. She sees, on average, three customers per day. She is willing to see, on average, six customers per day. She is only making money 50% of the time she hopes to make money.

Over the course of a day, if she is with a customer, your wait time, on average, will not exceed an hour.

In this scenario, if 20% of her customers tip an extra $20, it will rarely affect the other 80%. Moreover, even if the big tipper causes prices to rise, it will take months before it affects every customer.

Plug your provider's uncompensated time / capacity into the above scenario, and you will make a better prediction of expected / required tips.

[B]In general, the only person affected by "overtipping", is the "overtipper" himself. He is raising the expectation of a higher tip solely for the services he receives[/B]

That's my $0. 02, not adjusted for inflation.

The 40/80/100 charged for services isn't a tip, no matter what the forum slang for it is. Those prices are the cost for a service. The 10 or 20 extra that some guys leave for great service: that's a tip. You can definitely try to negotiate the price of the service; some girls may expect higher and that is fine because they are the ones selling the service. Some may accept lower and that is fine as well. When a price is decided on and you then leave them LESS, not because of problems with the service but just because that's part of your journey on the road to becoming a full fledged rapist then you are being a jerk.

The TIP is whatever you may optionally choose to leave on top of that service fee. I often end up leaving an extra 10 or 20 when I stumble upon a great provider. It has never raised prices for other people; it just raises skirts for me. Not only with that girl but often with the other girls she works with. They DO talk to each other, about the guys they like and especially the disgusting weirdos they encounter.

Don't be a disgusting weirdo and stop pretending you have some god-given right to these women's bodies for whatever price you think is right. You don't. Instead of everyone worrying about tips, we should be worrying about members of this forum who have shown some really disgusting behavior to us in their reviews. They are the ones having a negative effect on all of us, making girls more reluctant to be open with us, lowering the level of service we get, creating fear with the girls, or even girls leaving early to rotate back to NYC to avoid seeing these members again. That's what needs to stop.

[QUOTE=Oldmonger;3106325]If a few guys overtip, are they causing the prices to rise for everyone? The answer is -- it depends.

Let's assume the average AMP worker is available 10 hours per day, six days per week. She sees, on average, three customers per day. She is willing to see, on average, six customers per day. She is only making money 50% of the time she hopes to make money.

Over the course of a day, if she is with a customer, your wait time, on average, will not exceed an hour.

In this scenario, if 20% of her customers tip an extra $20, it will rarely affect the other 80%. Moreover, even if the big tipper causes prices to rise, it will take months before it affects every customer.

Plug your provider's uncompensated time / capacity into the above scenario, and you will make a better prediction of expected / required tips.

[B]In general, the only person affected by "overtipping", is the "overtipper" himself. He is raising the expectation of a higher tip solely for the services he receives[/B]

That's my $0. 02, not adjusted for inflation.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Herow;3106570]The 40/80/100 charged for services isn't a tip, no matter what the forum slang for it is. Those prices are the cost for a service. The 10 or 20 extra that some guys leave for great service: that's a tip. You can definitely try to negotiate the price of the service; some girls may expect higher and that is fine because they are the ones selling the service. Some may accept lower and that is fine as well. When a price is decided on and you then leave them LESS, not because of problems with the service but just because that's part of your journey on the road to becoming a full fledged rapist then you are being a jerk.

The TIP is whatever you may optionally choose to leave on top of that service fee. I often end up leaving an extra 10 or 20 when I stumble upon a great provider. It has never raised prices for other people; it just raises skirts for me. Not only with that girl but often with the other girls she works with. They DO talk to each other, about the guys they like and especially the disgusting weirdos they encounter.

Don't be a disgusting weirdo and stop pretending you have some god-given right to these women's bodies for whatever price you think is right. You don't. Instead of everyone worrying about tips, we should be worrying about members of this forum who have shown some really disgusting behavior to us in their reviews. They are the ones having a negative effect on all of us, making girls more reluctant to be open with us, lowering the level of service we get, creating fear with the girls, or even girls leaving early to rotate back to NYC to avoid seeing these members again. That's what needs to stop.[/QUOTE]Several times I agreed on $100 for service, but the service wound up being off the chart so I gave more. Never have I given less then an agreed amount but did give verbal dissapointment when it was due. Big issue is when no pre agreement is made and she expects more than standard fee when done. That can be a big problem.

[QUOTE=HappyDave;3106619]Several times I agreed on $100 for service, but the service wound up being off the chart so I gave more. Never have I given less then an agreed amount but did give verbal dissapointment when it was due. Big issue is when no pre agreement is made and she expects more than standard fee when done. That can be a big problem.[/QUOTE]HD anf Herow are spot on. Trying to cheap out on these women is not the best approach to getting continuously good service. What is somewhat difficult / confusing is what some women think is the "standard tip" for a particular service level. I don't think that there is an easy answer to this so trying to get an agreement on it is probably the best thing to do even if a bit of a downer during a session.

[QUOTE=Member#4063;3106648]HD anf Herow are spot on. Trying to cheap out on these women is not the best approach to getting continuously good service. What is somewhat difficult / confusing is what some women think is the "standard tip" for a particular service level. I don't think that there is an easy answer to this so trying to get an agreement on it is probably the best thing to do even if a bit of a downer during a session.[/QUOTE]This is true; like I posted when discussing the shop on the high numbers of Harrison Ave on the edge of Chinatown, the girl is trying to tell me that standard in Boston is 80/120/160 or something like that. What a joke, she can tell me that all day long but I'm still walking out of there and she's not getting shit. Not being a total asshole to other people doesn't mean you have to get taken advantage of. The two aren't mutually exclusive. We all know what is standard / average and we work from there.

[QUOTE=Herow;3106650]This is true; like I posted when discussing the shop on the high numbers of Harrison Ave on the edge of Chinatown, the girl is trying to tell me that standard in Boston is 80/120/160 or something like that. What a joke, she can tell me that all day long but I'm still walking out of there and she's not getting shit. Not being a total asshole to other people doesn't mean you have to get taken advantage of. The two aren't mutually exclusive. We all know what is standard / average and we work from there.[/QUOTE]The girls in that spa don't expect the same amount as each other. Right after they opened I went there to check it out and the girl I saw was from CA, her prices were way out of line, like double what we pay now. I didn't go back for a few months but when I did go back things had changed for the better as far as prices go. I think I know the girl who quoted those prices to you. She and I discussed this in great detail. When she said 80, she was including the house charge too, so she thought she was only getting 20 for a tip. After I explained it to her she was fine with it.

Thanks for info, good to know.

[QUOTE=TheMongerMash1;3104998]I've frequented julie in the past because of location and price. Happiness and UTC everywhere has always been had by me.[/QUOTE]

Tried the new AMP in Amesbury tonight.

The bad: in a very visible spot right in Market square. GPS tip: look for Market St, not Market Sq, or you're likely to end up in Newburyport. Place smelled a bit of cat piss; I almost left due to this. Woman asked for. 6 for standard ending + UTC roaming up top. I agreed though I was mildly annoyed. I was shorted on time by about 10 minutes.

The good: no lock and doorbell setup; you can just walk right in, which is good since it's in one of the busiest spots in town. Woman was your typical older but reasonably attractive AMP provider (perhaps this comment should go in the 'bad' section). At the start she did something I've never experienced: patted my naked ass and made some compliment, then reached under and cupped my balls. This was good because I didn't have to spend the massage wondering it it was a "legit only" place. Massage was very good and release was also pretty good.

I'd probably repeat; she got the job done.

Visited C and are today. Coco. Had a slightly better than average visit. Looks 6, rub 7, HJ 8. . 6 for hour plus. 6 tip. UTC top. Average overall. Not likely to repeat. Other locations are better overall.

[QUOTE=Herow;3106650]This is true; like I posted when discussing the shop on the high numbers of Harrison Ave on the edge of Chinatown, the girl is trying to tell me that standard in Boston is 80/120/160 or something like that. What a joke, she can tell me that all day long but I'm still walking out of there and she's not getting shit. Not being a total asshole to other people doesn't mean you have to get taken advantage of. The two aren't mutually exclusive. We all know what is standard / average and we work from there.[/QUOTE]Why don't we have a "Like" button here?

I had a very similar visit recently. Though when she signaled. 6, I signaled. 4 and held firm. Decent massage. Decent looks for late 30's early 40's. Smelled the same way. Not good. I may give it one more try, and if smell is still there, I won't repeat. FWIW, the place seemed decently clean EXCEPT for the smell.

[QUOTE=Johnson686;3107214]Tried the new AMP in Amesbury tonight.

The bad: in a very visible spot right in Market square. GPS tip: look for Market St, not Market Sq, or you're likely to end up in Newburyport. Place smelled a bit of cat piss; I almost left due to this. Woman asked for. 6 for standard ending + UTC roaming up top. I agreed though I was mildly annoyed. I was shorted on time by about 10 minutes.

The good: no lock and doorbell setup; you can just walk right in, which is good since it's in one of the busiest spots in town. Woman was your typical older but reasonably attractive AMP provider (perhaps this comment should go in the 'bad' section). At the start she did something I've never experienced: patted my naked ass and made some compliment, then reached under and cupped my balls. This was good because I didn't have to spend the massage wondering it it was a "legit only" place. Massage was very good and release was also pretty good.

I'd probably repeat; she got the job done.[/QUOTE]

Time to move to the correct forum for this issue since I'm off the topic of non-asian.

How updated and accurate are the reviews on rubmaps? I see Methuen has a few, which is close to me. Which one is a better one in the area to try?

Stopped by Tulip again last night since the girls at Pink weren't answering the phone. Standard. 4/. 4 for a half hour session. They will push for a full hour and will pout if you ask for a half.

Easy street parking. Beacon St. Tends to be fairly busy, so getting into Tulip might get you the stinkeye from people on the street. Luckily, you go in and then wait at an door on the inside before someone lets you in.

Got a masseuse named CiCi or something along those lines. She said she was leaving in a week or so to go back home. Massage was okay, finish was basic. She pushed for an upsell to. 8 to lift her bra and shirt, but I declined. Do other mongers really pay that much?

I only really go to Tulip when my regular places don't answer the phone. It's quick and I leave happy every single time.

So I've noticed over the last 6 months that most (not all) of the AMP houses are getting older and uglier massage therapists!! Is everybody else feeling the same thing? So I went to.

My fall back Chi knowing I could get a beautiful young lady who gave me everything I wanted! Guess what!! The masa ugly virus hit there as well. I couldn't believe how far down this place has fallen! Lucy is still there and she is OK but the rest (I saw 2 more) holy geez!

[QUOTE=MassageMama;3109120]So I've noticed over the last 6 months that most (not all) of the AMP houses are getting older and uglier massage therapists!! Is everybody else feeling the same thing? So I went to.

My fall back Chi knowing I could get a beautiful young lady who gave me everything I wanted! Guess what!! The masa ugly virus hit there as well. I couldn't believe how far down this place has fallen! Lucy is still there and she is OK but the rest (I saw 2 more) holy geez![/QUOTE]If everyone stopped going for a week, maybe they will notice a change and always use the other head to think if you want top of the line young girl. Quit going to Chinatown and Quincy for now as those AMPs are being watched. If ya horny mongers ignore it, then I'll see your mugshot sooner or later. Those AMPs are bringing retired ladies out with lots of makeup which doesn't conceal their age. If ya keep going to these AMPs and keeping them in business, granny's will jerk you soon.

[QUOTE=MrBao;3109845]If everyone stopped going for a week, maybe they will notice a change and always use the other head to think if you want top of the line young girl. Quit going to Chinatown and Quincy for now as those AMPs are being watched. If ya horny mongers ignore it, then I'll see your mugshot sooner or later. Those AMPs are bringing retired ladies out with lots of makeup which doesn't conceal their age. If ya keep going to these AMPs and keeping them in business, granny's will jerk you soon.[/QUOTE]Strange, because up in NH and around the border I'm seeing the opposite at aamps. Younger prettier, and always ready for FS, not mention prices are dropping now at 130!

[QUOTE=MrBao;3109845]

Quit going to Chinatown and Quincy for now as those AMPs are being watched. If ya horny mongers ignore it, then I'll see your mugshot sooner or later.[/QUOTE]What makes you think Quincy & Chinatown AMPs are being watched? I'm not doubting what you say, just curious where you heard that so I can decide what action to take. Thanks.

I couldn't find any reviews of this place and thought to TOFTT. In short, avoid this place.

60 yr granny wearing a plaid suit pants and a polo shirt. Totally legit while carefully avoiding the area. The room is cold and so is the oil. She didn't even fold the dirty towel on the table before asking me to lie down. I had to remind her to change the sheet of paper and clean the table. On asking, I said hard massage and then she said it will cost $10 extra! The massage was mostly with elbows and foot with good attention to glutes. Wasn't shorted on time and on turn over, it has to be covered. That's it.

King Spa Bodywork & Foot Reflexology 917-518-9138,978-880-3637 (Middleton, MA).

Relax and invigorate your body, mind and spirit! Relieve your stress and pain!

We guarantee the best Chinese Tuina bodywork, Swedish and deep tissue therapy.

Stay healthy easier, come to see us at our professional, comfortable, private rooms and quiet location.

30 min $50.

60 min $70.

90 min $100.

Hot stone 60 min $80.

Four hands 60 min $120.

[QUOTE=EugeneWest;3110163]Strange, because up in NH and around the border I'm seeing the opposite at aamps. Younger prettier, and always ready for FS, not mention prices are dropping now at 130![/QUOTE]I didn't mention NH because this is a MA board. Stick with the correct state. I only stated Quincy and Chinatown. These places have been busted once and twice before. You may do what you want to do, just putting it out there. Hope I don't see your real name in the newspaper when shit hits the fan.

Thanks for saving us all $$.

[QUOTE=CleoBos;3111133]I couldn't find any reviews of this place and thought to TOFTT. In short, avoid this place.

60 yr granny wearing a plaid suit pants and a polo shirt. Totally legit while carefully avoiding the area. The room is cold and so is the oil. She didn't even fold the dirty towel on the table before asking me to lie down. I had to remind her to change the sheet of paper and clean the table. On asking, I said hard massage and then she said it will cost $10 extra! The massage was mostly with elbows and foot with good attention to glutes. Wasn't shorted on time and on turn over, it has to be covered. That's it.

King Spa Bodywork & Foot Reflexology 917-518-9138,978-880-3637 (Middleton, MA).

Relax and invigorate your body, mind and spirit! Relieve your stress and pain!

We guarantee the best Chinese Tuina bodywork, Swedish and deep tissue therapy.

Stay healthy easier, come to see us at our professional, comfortable, private rooms and quiet location.

30 min $50.

60 min $70.

90 min $100.

Hot stone 60 min $80.

Four hands 60 min $120.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrBao;3111302]I didn't mention NH because this is a MA board. Stick with the correct state. I only stated Quincy and Chinatown. These places have been busted once and twice before. You may do what you want to do, just putting it out there. Hope I don't see your real name in the newspaper when shit hits the fan.[/QUOTE]Mr Bao-there is some confusion here. He was responding to my post that there was some degrading of providers' looks and age at the Boston area AMP's.

[QUOTE=MassageMama;3111947]Mr Bao-there is some confusion here. He was responding to my post that there was some degrading of providers' looks and age at the Boston area AMP's.[/QUOTE]Save money, no go Quincy or Chinatown. They will drop prices and get better girls.

Location is all in MA. NH might have better, but that's on that board forums.

I have a monger PM me about I'm threatening? Read the fine English, no one wants granny giving them any services unless that monger who PM me likes it that way! YMMV.

[QUOTE=Oldmonger;3106325]

[B]In general, the only person affected by "overtipping", is the "overtipper" himself. He is raising the expectation of a higher tip solely for the services he receives[/B]

That's my $0. 02, not adjusted for inflation.[/QUOTE]Sometimes economics works in unpredictable or counterintuitive ways. And no matter how we think about getting prices lower by convincing others to pay less, or by buttering up a regular, you should not expect a providers thinking or behavior to make sense anyway. When I buy a car, I don't care if the guy before me paid more. If a few mongers are overpaying my provider, it might make it easier for me to haggle down, since she has a "cushion" and might not feel that she has to charge me more to get her average pay up.

In other words, if she'a been overpaid and already made her daily / weekly nut, it might make it cheaper for me to get mine!