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I recently saw Zienna and I if you've followed anything I've posted, months ago I said I would not see her again as she stiffed me after I drove out to her incall.

Well, there's not many sexy Providers that will see you at 5 am on the way to catch a flight, so you see where I'm going.

I say all that to say this, I've seen her a few times now and each time gets noticeably better and more intimate. Intimacy isn't huge for me, but I know it is for others. Regardless her face is a 9 and body is a 10.

Non GFE for $1. 2 for 15.

So no ads for Stephanie or anyone else for the nice apartment in Centreville. Anyone know if it got shut down, or just unoccupied temporarily?

[QUOTE=Nyhornet;3339769]Has anyone tried to text her to see if she is returning. Seems I had heard she was coming back in Feb. Or March, but didn't happen.[/QUOTE]Looks like she is off the grid. I haven't been able to get in touch. Would love to though.

[QUOTE=Pathfinder04;3339113]Wow, I could not have a more different opinion. I've seen her five or maybe six times, and every time has been great. She's nice, good sense of humor and HOT. Yes the service is limited but the price is great (.8). I highly recommend her if you want a beautiful, sweet, nude, caucasian woman to give yoiu a standard NOVA rub at a great price.

I agree with the last part, it used to be more convenient to get out of her place, I too have been locked in the last two times I saw her (with the new "GMU" ads, I was hoping she had moved since my last visit! LOL).[/QUOTE]Looks like the BP add referenced isn't live anymore. I'd love to connect with this one. Can you give any other information or a current ad? I'm very curious. PM or post. Thanks.

Rosslyn is convenient, so wondered if anyone has seen either of these ladies. The top one looks familiar and I have a vague memory of legit, but the pricing structure doesn't indicate fully legit. PM is OK if you don't want to post. [URL]http://nova.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/fun-thai-massage-in-rosslyn-arlington/24334271[/URL].

Thanks, Mr. S.

I've been to AMPs and in-house masseuse, where tipping makes clear sense. Never a GFE or other private provider. If price-tag is $2 or $3, do you leave a tip on top of that? Or is it assumed that tip is included, since they set their prices.

[QUOTE=YourMini;3345756]I've been to AMPs and in-house masseuse, where tipping makes clear sense. Never a GFE or other private provider. If price-tag is $2 or $3, do you leave a tip on top of that? Or is it assumed that tip is included, since they set their prices.[/QUOTE]At that price point, the "tip" is built it, but depending on the lady, a tip might be warranted (because you really enjoyed yourself (and she is at a low price point)).

Just my opinion.

NR.

[QUOTE=YourMini;3345756]I've been to AMPs and in-house masseuse, where tipping makes clear sense. Never a GFE or other private provider. If price-tag is $2 or $3, do you leave a tip on top of that? Or is it assumed that tip is included, since they set their prices.[/QUOTE]It depends on the price and the service. The independents I go to typically charge $1. 2. If the service is good, I'll tip $. 40; if superb, eye popping then more. Remember, they need to pay rent, laundry, lotions, etc. , and I'm quite willing to pay extra for special treatment. But, if the base price is $3. Then that's a different ball game. Depends. But, remember YMMV usually is a function of tipping.

It is said that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Which leads me to wonder why I, an experienced monger, made the same mistake yet again with the Asian crapshoot, this time in Springfield.

It's not that I didn't contact other providers. Some of them didn't answer their phones. Others suffered from what a fellow monger describes as "golden p*ssy syndrome. " And there were the ads featuring photos that were clearly TGTBT. Then I finally set something up, took my Vitamin V and headed over. I called to let her know I was there but got no reply. As I was in the Springfield area, I called one of the Asian crapshoot ads and was told to come right over. Against my better judgment, I did.

I arrived and went to the room. I know not to expect the sexy, busty models in the photos, but I still wasn't expecting what I saw. The gal who answered the door was somewhere around 50 and dressed in an outfit that was anything but a turn-on. I've seen some well-preserved MILF's and even one or two well-preserved GILF's over the years. This gal didn't fit into the well-preserved category. I stayed, hoping this would be a diamond in the rough. I was mistaken. Sadly mistaken. In retrospect, I should have bolted.

We both undressed and went to the bed. I was hoping for a massage, but she motioned for me to turn over. She played with the little head for a moment, then grabbed the rain gear and began an uninspired French lesson. Inexplicably, she changed the rain gear before the main event. The phone rang while we were busy and she answered. Not surprisingly, my little head responded accordingly. She removed the rain gear and began a lame HJ. I finally took over and finished myself off while fantasizing about someone else. I could have done this at home and saved $. 3. I was out the door in about 15 minutes despite having paid for a half-hour.

This leaves me with two questions. First, how do the Asian crapshoot places stay in business despite providing poor service far more often than not? And second, why did I do this?

For what it's worth, here's the ad I responded to. Take my word for it: the gal is definitely not 21 and busty, nor does she provide anything approaching VIP service. There was no kissing or licking and only the bare minimum of touching.

[URL]http://nova.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/vip-service-everything-lick-kiss-touch-21/26775198[/URL]

[QUOTE=MrSunnyHills;3345359]Rosslyn is convenient, so wondered if anyone has seen either of these ladies. The top one looks familiar and I have a vague memory of legit, but the pricing structure doesn't indicate fully legit. PM is OK if you don't want to post. [URL]http://nova.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/fun-thai-massage-in-rosslyn-arlington/24334271[/URL].

Thanks, Mr. S.[/QUOTE]I've seen Leena 3 x. Very nice lady who gives great, professional (dry) massages in the thai style with acceptable finish. I don't think there is more on the menu, but the massage is top quality. I've not seen Mae yet, but thinking about it. Interested in any feedback out there. -TS.

[QUOTE=TomMcAn;3345960]It is said that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Which leads me to wonder why I, an experienced monger, made the same mistake yet again with the Asian crapshoot, this time in Springfield.

It's not that I didn't contact other providers. Some of them didn't answer their phones. Others suffered from what a fellow monger describes as "golden p*ssy syndrome. " And there were the ads featuring photos that were clearly TGTBT. Then I finally set something up, took my Vitamin V and headed over. I called to let her know I was there but got no reply. As I was in the Springfield area, I called one of the Asian crapshoot ads and was told to come right over. Against my better judgment, I did.

I arrived and went to the room. I know not to expect the sexy, busty models in the photos, but I still wasn't expecting what I saw. The gal who answered the door was somewhere around 50 and dressed in an outfit that was anything but a turn-on. I've seen some well-preserved MILF's and even one or two well-preserved GILF's over the years. This gal didn't fit into the well-preserved category. I stayed, hoping this would be a diamond in the rough. I was mistaken. Sadly mistaken. In retrospect, I should have bolted.

We both undressed and went to the bed. I was hoping for a massage, but she motioned for me to turn over. She played with the little head for a moment, then grabbed the rain gear and began an uninspired French lesson. Inexplicably, she changed the rain gear before the main event. The phone rang while we were busy and she answered. Not surprisingly, my little head responded accordingly. She removed the rain gear and began a lame HJ. I finally took over and finished myself off while fantasizing about someone else. I could have done this at home and saved $. 3. I was out the door in about 15 minutes despite having paid for a half-hour.

This leaves me with two questions. First, how do the Asian crapshoot places stay in business despite providing poor service far more often than not? And second, why did I do this?

For what it's worth, here's the ad I responded to. Take my word for it: the gal is definitely not 21 and busty, nor does she provide anything approaching VIP service. There was no kissing or licking and only the bare minimum of touching.

[URL]http://nova.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/vip-service-everything-lick-kiss-touch-21/26775198[/URL][/QUOTE]Wow it's possible that the girls were occupied so mamasan had to improvise!

A few days ago I called one BP ad listed as in Springfield, the woman who answered the phone sounded like she was in her 50's minimum, but the ad says 21. So I figured this didn't sound right, maybe I should try someone else. I dialed another BP ad number which was also listed as in Springfield. Lo and behold it was the SAME woman who answered the phone minutes ago. Even the background noise was the same!! She told me to go to the same address. Because I used a different number to dial, she didn't realize that I just called her five minutes earlier.

So I asked her how come another provider told me to come to the same place. She said 'oh that's my sister'. I then told her she and her sister didn't sound like 21, she said 'our real age is 23'. I LOL'd so hard after I hang up the phone.

There are two possibilities, they are either the mamasan who runs the business, or they themselves are the providers using fake photos.

[QUOTE=TomMcAn;3345960]It is said that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Which leads me to wonder why I, an experienced monger, made the same mistake yet again with the Asian crapshoot, this time in Springfield.

I stayed, hoping this would be a diamond in the rough. I was mistaken. Sadly mistaken. In retrospect, I should have bolted.

This leaves me with two questions. First, how do the Asian crapshoot places stay in business despite providing poor service far more often than not? And second, why did I do this?

[/QUOTE]No disrespect, but you answered your own question, did you not? You got a dud BUT YOU STAYED anyway. Why do we guys do this? Why are we so eager to part with our $$$, especially since there are tons of other Asian ads out there?

Admit it, we LOVE our Asian women around here, don't we? All you have to do is look at the oThER board and hit "New Reviews". Most of the reviews on the first page are guys reviewing (and paying top $$$ for) Asian providers. Why do you think these chicks keeps coming back?

[URL]http://nova.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/gorgeous-asian-doll-popular-demand-perfect-curves-long-hair-a1-service/26489674[/URL]

[URL]http://nova.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/visiting-smokin-hot-asian-thai-mixed-funsize-petite-bombshell-real/26583694[/URL]

And why you can't rid of this one, despite horrible reviews:

[URL]http://washingtondc.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/pornst-r-p-siy-100-real-exquisitie-filipina-playmate-well-reviewed/27450707[/URL]

And why do you think latinas call themselves Asian (and blacks too if they can get away with it)?

[URL]http://nova.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/chiquita-latina-me-exotic-babe-video-ven-con-migo-papi/26407437[/URL]

Or use fake Asian profiles?

[URL]http://nova.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/new-video-new-pix-quality-company-tiight-curvy-trina-%D1%82%D1%8F%CF%83%CF%81%CE%B9%EA%AE%AF%CE%B1l-%D0%BD%CF%83%D1%82%D1%82%CE%B9%D1%94/27491638[/URL]

[URL]http://washingtondc.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/1oo-real-independent-_-_-e-otic-geisha-princess-_-erotic-body-rubs/27496941[/URL]

Or at the very least, use Asian sounding names?

[URL]http://washingtondc.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/head-over-and-release-all-ur-stress-wit-jade-of-the-line-skills-will-blow-ur-mind/27388407[/URL]

[URL]http://washingtondc.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/fl%CE%B1%CF%89l%D1%94%D1%95%D1%95-%D0%B2%D1%94%CE%B1%CF%85%D1%82%D1%83-%CF%83%D0%B8-%CF%85%D1%82%D1%83-%CF%81%CF%85re-%CF%81l-%CE%B1%CE%B4%CF%85r%CE%B5-/27204572[/URL]

I mean "Jade" has to be the most popular name used by non-Asian providers. LOL. But yeah, that's on us, fellas. Supply and demand, and whenever you have something that's high in demand, the scammers are not far behind.

But my question is, why is this so? Why so much love for the Asian women around here? I've seen Joyce twice, mostly because of her menu, and I used to love Downtown in DC (the last time we actually had YOUNG Asian providers in the area), but after that, I kinda don't see what the big deal is. I've seen my share, but never experienced service that was any better than anyone else. In fact, in many cases, worse and more restrictive - you can't direct them, or even argue with them because they won't understand.

Speaking of providers who used to call themselves Asian, saw this ad:

[URL]http://nova.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/ultiM%CE%B1t%CE%B5-%C9%99x-%D0%B3i-%CE%B7-e-i-am-back-amazing-skills-t-tal-kn-ck-ut/27212499[/URL]

Goes as Carla. But in case you don't know or remember, she used to go as Alyvia a few years back.

[URL]http://alyvia.naughtynsexy.com/gallery.html[/URL]

I am torn, because I did have a decent time with her. But that was years ago, and many others didn't. If you look up her old name on the OThER board, you can see why she's using a new name. Consensus - pretty girl (pics are accurate), cordial, talks dirty (fake) during the session, but non-GFE and a little rushed.

[QUOTE=BilderJJJJJager;3346884]Wow it's possible that the girls were occupied so mamasan had to improvise!

A few days ago I called one BP ad listed as in Springfield, the woman who answered the phone sounded like she was in her 50's minimum, but the ad says 21. So I figured this didn't sound right, maybe I should try someone else. I dialed another BP ad number which was also listed as in Springfield. Lo and behold it was the SAME woman who answered the phone minutes ago. Even the background noise was the same!! She told me to go to the same address. Because I used a different number to dial, she didn't realize that I just called her five minutes earlier.

So I asked her how come another provider told me to come to the same place. She said 'oh that's my sister'. I then told her she and her sister didn't sound like 21, she said 'our real age is 23'. I LOL'd so hard after I hang up the phone.

There are two possibilities, they are either the mamasan who runs the business, or they themselves are the providers using fake photos.[/QUOTE]I doubt Mamasan was pressed into service. For one thing, the provider made a check-in call as soon as I arrived. For another, most of the Asian crapshoot phone numbers have area codes connected to the New York City area, New Jersey or Connecticut. There are a few who use local numbers, but they seem to be the exception rather than the rule.

I could be wrong, but I'm guessing the women who answer the phones are in the New York City area or some other remote location. Their English is frequently much better than the providers. The gal I saw in my most recent misadventure had a very limited English vocabulary; most of her communication was by hand gestures. I seriously doubt she was the gal I talked to when I set up the appointment.

[QUOTE=Utwogood;3347115]No disrespect, but you answered your own question, did you not? You got a dud BUT YOU STAYED anyway. Why do we guys do this? Why are we so eager to part with our $$$, especially since there are tons of other Asian ads out there?

Admit it, we LOVE our Asian women around here, don't we? All you have to do is look at the oThER board and hit "New Reviews". Most of the reviews on the first page are guys reviewing (and paying top $$$ for) Asian providers. Why do you think these chicks keeps coming back?

[URL]http://nova.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/gorgeous-asian-doll-popular-demand-perfect-curves-long-hair-a1-service/26489674[/URL]

[URL]http://nova.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/visiting-smokin-hot-asian-thai-mixed-funsize-petite-bombshell-real/26583694[/URL]

And why you can't rid of this one, despite horrible reviews:

[URL]http://washingtondc.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/pornst-r-p-siy-100-real-exquisitie-filipina-playmate-well-reviewed/27450707[/URL]

And why do you think latinas call themselves Asian (and blacks too if they can get away with it)?

[URL]http://nova.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/chiquita-latina-me-exotic-babe-video-ven-con-migo-papi/26407437[/URL]

Or use fake Asian profiles?

[URL]http://nova.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/new-video-new-pix-quality-company-tiight-curvy-trina-%D1%82%D1%8F%CF%83%CF%81%CE%B9%EA%AE%AF%CE%B1l-%D0%BD%CF%83%D1%82%D1%82%CE%B9%D1%94/27491638[/URL]

[URL]http://washingtondc.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/1oo-real-independent-_-_-e-otic-geisha-princess-_-erotic-body-rubs/27496941[/URL]

Or at the very least, use Asian sounding names?

[URL]http://washingtondc.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/head-over-and-release-all-ur-stress-wit-jade-of-the-line-skills-will-blow-ur-mind/27388407[/URL]

[URL]http://washingtondc.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/fl%CE%B1%CF%89l%D1%94%D1%95%D1%95-%D0%B2%D1%94%CE%B1%CF%85%D1%82%D1%83-%CF%83%D0%B8-%CF%85%D1%82%D1%83-%CF%81%CF%85re-%CF%81l-%CE%B1%CE%B4%CF%85r%CE%B5-/27204572[/URL]

I mean "Jade" has to be the most popular name used by non-Asian providers. LOL. But yeah, that's on us, fellas. Supply and demand, and whenever you have something that's high in demand, the scammers are not far behind.

But my question is, why is this so? Why so much love for the Asian women around here? I've seen Joyce twice, mostly because of her menu, and I used to love Downtown in DC (the last time we actually had YOUNG Asian providers in the area), but after that, I kinda don't see what the big deal is. I've seen my share, but never experienced service that was any better than anyone else. In fact, in many cases, worse and more restrictive - you can't direct them, or even argue with them because they won't understand.[/QUOTE]It's true I stayed. However, I've bolted before. I did so during the winter when I answered an ad and found it was the same provider who gave poor service during a prior visit after I answered another ad.

But if you remember, this wasn't my first choice. I contacted this gal after a different provider failed to respond when I arrived for an appointment. And in recent months I've run across far too many providers, mostly non-Asian, who either don't answer their phones, flake out while texting, or want far too much money. Just this morning, for example, I came across ads by providers charging $$$ or more for an hour; some also had a screening procedure. There are other mongers who will pay that price or divulge personal information; I'm not among them.

With the Asian crapshoot, I almost always get a response when I call. Either someone answers the phone or sends a text message. So even if their service is often bad, at least they respond. That's more than I can say for a lot of the non-Asian providers out there.

Sometimes I wonder about the reasons I seek out providers. There are, after all, a lot of risks to this hobby. And it's not a cheap hobby even when the prices are what I would consider reasonable. Then again, I figure there are other places more appropriate than here for a self-examination.