Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

If you have an ohio mailing address:

[URL]http://ohiv.org/learn/free-condoms/[/URL]

Arrives in an unmarked package, and can be sent to your office / work / etc.

You can order as many times as you like, but it takes a few weeks to get them.

My advice to the OP: I use covers for everything, 100% of the time. Yes, there is still a risk even in that case, but that's as good as it gets. Set aside part of your monger budget to get the full STD panel at Any Lab Test now every once in a while.

With rare exceptions, I stick with providers who have been reviewed here and I will dig deeper into my monger budget to make repeat visits to providers who are the complete package in terms of looks, service, location, no apparent signs of drug use, and no drama. Busty Red fits that description best of the current available providers I've seen. I'm not saying other current providers don't fit that description. I'm just saying of the current providers I know, she's the one who I can feel the most relatively relaxed about seeing.

If you see a provider and you get a feeling something bad is going to happen, keep your cool, don't lose your temper, and just GTFO. The last thing you need is a black eye you can't explain to the wifey.

[QUOTE=CinciScubaDude;3139703]
1) obviously the worst case is being caught by LE. But if care is taken how likely is this. I'm not interested in streetwalkers or car dates which seem to be the highest risk acts. What are the chances if a provider actually being LE? Certainly reduced risk by seeing well reviewed providers. But has anyone TOFTT actually been busted?
[/QUOTE]This one stuck out to me based on my visit to Courtney Star the other day. She was in a hotel in Sharonville, like so many girls on the ads seem to be. As I approached her door, the neighbors opened up. A pretty cute black girl was giving me "the look. " (I guess as a white guy in shirt and tie, at that particular time of day, it was pretty obvious what I was doing.) A guy came out after her. Maybe a BF / handler / pimp, whatever. Didn't bother me because that was not the room I was there to see.

Anyway, I asked Courtney if she knew the neighbors, and she didn't. She just remarked how there were tons of girls working in that hotel. That's when it hit me. Not a new thought. But it really hit me.

The city is TEEMING with escorts. Those who advertise online, and undoubtedly plenty who don't. It's really quite remarkable, how many guys must be paying for sex pretty much at any given moment, and how many girls are out there working like this.

[QUOTE=CinciScubaDude;3139703]So as a new monger I have my nerves about enjoying this hobby. I wanted to get others opinions of the reality of these fears happening.

1) obviously the worst case is being caught by LE. But if care is taken how likely is this. I'm not interested in streetwalkers or car dates which seem to be the highest risk acts. What are the chances if a provider actually being LE? Certainly reduced risk by seeing well reviewed providers. But has anyone TOFTT actually been busted?

2) the wife finding my "monger bag". Would be hard to explain why I have a burner phone or condoms. Need to be extra careful with these items so they are not left where others can find them.

3) Disease. Keep it covered! Yea it's 99% effective, but there is still 1% bloody ineffective!

4) ripoff. This actually appears to be the most likely to happen. Especially if not seeing well reviewed provides. Seeing someone new is the highest risk. I don't take a wallet in with me and only the money I would have for the donation. I don't even wear jewelry.

5) physical beating. Stay away from providers where family or friends are around or "boyfriends" are around. But how many mongers have actually been roughed up?

Any other concerns to be aware of? And any comments on the above?[/QUOTE]#3 is the biggie for me. The others are bad, but you can rebuild your life in the aftermath. Depending on which disease you get, you might not be able to do anything, and remember that there are now drug-resistant varieties of gonorrhea and syphilis. I wonder about all the guys who talk about the qualities of BBBJ. I never do anything beyond a HJ without a cover. As for #2, I don't keep a supply of condoms. If I need one, I buy some. That leads to some waste, but it is better than the alternative. I have been ripped off occasionally, but I try to avoid that by sticking to well-known providers, and, hey, it's only money.

[QUOTE=Golden3;3140256]#3 is the biggie for me. The others are bad, but you can rebuild your life in the aftermath. Depending on which disease you get, you might not be able to do anything, and remember that there are now drug-resistant varieties of gonorrhea and syphilis. I wonder about all the guys who talk about the qualities of BBBJ. I never do anything beyond a HJ without a cover. As for #2, I don't keep a supply of condoms. If I need one, I buy some. That leads to some waste, but it is better than the alternative. I have been ripped off occasionally, but I try to avoid that by sticking to well-known providers, and, hey, it's only money.[/QUOTE]Most corner stores in the city sell them 1 at a time. Magnums for1. 25 regular transfer red or blue 1. 00 HL29.

[QUOTE=HuntLadys29;3140344]Most corner stores in the city sell them 1 at a time. Magnums for1. 25 regular transfer red or blue 1. 00 HL29.[/QUOTE]Re being ripped off, in my case, it has mostly been not getting anything resembling the service I paid for. I don't take anything in with me except the money I plan to spend. I even take off my watch and my rings (the latter more out of embarrassment than fear). Once, I was uncertain, and I took 10 or 20 extra, and, after I left, I found that it was missing from my pocket. I know about getting condoms one at a time, but, it seems that, when I need one, I can't find packages smaller than 3.

[QUOTE=IlvblckGrls;3140082]This one stuck out to me based on my visit to Courtney Star the other day. She was in a hotel in Sharonville, like so many girls on the ads seem to be. As I approached her door, the neighbors opened up. A pretty cute black girl was giving me "the look. " (I guess as a white guy in shirt and tie, at that particular time of day, it was pretty obvious what I was doing.) A guy came out after her. Maybe a BF / handler / pimp, whatever. Didn't bother me because that was not the room I was there to see.

Anyway, I asked Courtney if she knew the neighbors, and she didn't. She just remarked how there were tons of girls working in that hotel. That's when it hit me. Not a new thought. But it really hit me.

The city is TEEMING with escorts. Those who advertise online, and undoubtedly plenty who don't. It's really quite remarkable, how many guys must be paying for sex pretty much at any given moment, and how many girls are out there working like this.[/QUOTE]It is remarkable how many chicks there seem to be out there. But are there really more providers around now than in years past, or does the internet just make it seem that way?

[QUOTE=UOnlyLiveOnce;3140582]It is remarkable how many chicks there seem to be out there. But are there really more providers around now than in years past, or does the internet just make it seem that way?[/QUOTE]I submit it isn't the same thing. We have more girls with less stigma for sure, but it is getting difficult to find real providers that aren't drug addicts.

Great discussion. Keep it going!

I find it interesting that there is very little comment on my #1 concern of LE. Obvious many of the providers are said to be visiting their uncle, but it seems like this is mostly due to drugs and not due to our hobby. Only been around for 2 months but are there any verifiable stories of a monger going to a provider who ended up being LE or working with LE?

Obviously the biggest risk of this would be with a new provider and a monger TOFTT. There are some new hotties out there but until they have viable reviews on this site I will be very leary.

[QUOTE=UOnlyLiveOnce;3140582]It is remarkable how many chicks there seem to be out there. But are there really more providers around now than in years past, or does the internet just make it seem that way?[/QUOTE]I am sure the two go hand in hand. The internet has made it much easier for guys to meet providers. The internet has also made it much easier for providers to do this, because I would imagine there are a lot of girls and mongers who would not have done this before. There is no way I would have picked up some local paper and gone through it to call girls. Just wouldn't have crossed my mind but with the internet I can contact them effortlessly via the computer. Night and day.

Couple that with the heroin epidemic and presto you have a thriving business.

I would bet there are at least ten times the number of participants on both sides since the use of the internet and the heroin epidemic.

[QUOTE=3-MinutePassion;3140804]I am sure the two go hand in hand. The internet has made it much easier for guys to meet providers. The internet has also made it much easier for providers to do this, because I would imagine there are a lot of girls and mongers who would not have done this before. There is no way I would have picked up some local paper and gone through it to call girls. Just wouldn't have crossed my mind but with the internet I can contact them effortlessly via the computer. Night and day.

Couple that with the heroin epidemic and presto you have a thriving business.

I would bet there are at least ten times the number of participants on both sides since the use of the internet and the heroin epidemic.[/QUOTE]I think you are right especially about the heroin explosion. I really believe if it wasn't for that drug the amount of providers at every level would be 20 percent of what it is currently.

You didn't mention the risk of exposure through your digital trail. It's not simply a matter of having a burner phone, but all the communications, browser history, usernames and reviews, credit card records, bank records, phone logs, etc. One careless slip, and the house can come crashing down on you. There are many precautions you can take to minimize these risks. Diligence and consistency are the key to limiting your exposure.

[QUOTE=CinciScubaDude;3139703]So as a new monger I have my nerves about enjoying this hobby. I wanted to get others opinions of the reality of these fears happening.

1) obviously the worst case is being caught by LE. But if care is taken how likely is this. I'm not interested in streetwalkers or car dates which seem to be the highest risk acts. What are the chances if a provider actually being LE? Certainly reduced risk by seeing well reviewed providers. But has anyone TOFTT actually been busted?

2) the wife finding my "monger bag". Would be hard to explain why I have a burner phone or condoms. Need to be extra careful with these items so they are not left where others can find them.

3) Disease. Keep it covered! Yea it's 99% effective, but there is still 1% bloody ineffective!

4) ripoff. This actually appears to be the most likely to happen. Especially if not seeing well reviewed provides. Seeing someone new is the highest risk. I don't take a wallet in with me and only the money I would have for the donation. I don't even wear jewelry.

5) physical beating. Stay away from providers where family or friends are around or "boyfriends" are around. But how many mongers have actually been roughed up?

Any other concerns to be aware of? And any comments on the above?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CinciScubaDude;3140693]Great discussion. Keep it going!

I find it interesting that there is very little comment on my #1 concern of LE. Obvious many of the providers are said to be visiting their uncle, but it seems like this is mostly due to drugs and not due to our hobby. Only been around for 2 months but are there any verifiable stories of a monger going to a provider who ended up being LE or working with LE?

Obviously the biggest risk of this would be with a new provider and a monger TOFTT. There are some new hotties out there but until they have viable reviews on this site I will be very leary.[/QUOTE]What I have to admit is that there is a "payoff" to risktaking. The sneeking, lying, risk taking etc. All ties in with the primary 'payoff' of the deed. I do not worry too much about disease due to minimized risk exposure on my end however the reality is I am not 100% impervious to it. I have mentioned poor dental health and the capacity of blood being in saliva so even kissing can make it possible in another post aways back. Very low odds however the reality is there no matter how much I want to pretend is does not exist. Also so many of these concerns tend to get pushed under the carpet in my mind out of complacency, by doing it so often, but then something happens like I see what looks like a dopeboy or someone I deem as a threat, or perhaps a cruser closeby. And it is brought to the forefront for that moment in time. As for fear #1 LE concern. It is a grave concern yet since I keep my circle of friends low, and when meeting new friends I only see reviewed SP's. My general assumption in my mind is I will be safe from that risk even though being in the wrong place at the wrong time can happen as well, so I tend to think that is the only way I will get to meet my least favorite uncle is by bad timing of my whereabouts. My largest fear at the end of the day is my wife finding out, whether it be from a strand of hair I missed that wound up on my underwear or shirt, or getting caught in a lie I cannot worm out of. I have not been a TOFFT kindof guy I will admit I just don't have the balls, I have too much to lose and consider it too high a gamble at present. I have noticed my ' gambling ' has a threshold and over time that threshold seems to get lower and lower. And also, as for the " digital trail " just mentioned in the previous post... I prefer to ' forget ' the other reality that " Data is KING ". Data is what it is and so much revolves around it's accuracy and availability whether it be public or private. If and when I am confronted with " Data "... the odds of denying it is real will be a stretch at best. In the end this is one hell of a tightrope to walk lol. Great discussion BTW. Stay safe everyone!

[QUOTE=CinciScubaDude;3139703]So as a new monger I have my nerves about enjoying this hobby. I wanted to get others opinions of the reality of these fears happening.

1) obviously the worst case is being caught by LE. But if care is taken how likely is this. I'm not interested in streetwalkers or car dates which seem to be the highest risk acts. What are the chances if a provider actually being LE? Certainly reduced risk by seeing well reviewed providers. But has anyone TOFTT actually been busted?

2) the wife finding my "monger bag". Would be hard to explain why I have a burner phone or condoms. Need to be extra careful with these items so they are not left where others can find them.

3) Disease. Keep it covered! Yea it's 99% effective, but there is still 1% bloody ineffective!

4) ripoff. This actually appears to be the most likely to happen. Especially if not seeing well reviewed provides. Seeing someone new is the highest risk. I don't take a wallet in with me and only the money I would have for the donation. I don't even wear jewelry.

5) physical beating. Stay away from providers where family or friends are around or "boyfriends" are around. But how many mongers have actually been roughed up?

Any other concerns to be aware of? And any comments on the above?[/QUOTE]1) I'm not aware of anyone being busted from this site. Stick with well vetted providers and you will be fine. And stay away from hotels. They are cop magnets.

2) I keep condoms in an athletic locker away from my home. Have never used a burner phone, although some guys swear by them. I instead use NQ Vault on my regular phone. Awesome, FREE, software.

3) I used to keep it 100% covered but I now do BBBJs. They are just so much better than covered. Never go BBFS, though. EVER!

4) Ripoffs are going to happen. Let them go. Don't sweat it. Don't fight it. Just get out when it happens and forget about it, don't get even. Most of these people, male or female, value your life as much as they value a plug nickel. They just don't want to get in trouble and get thrown in jail. That's about the only thing you have going for you.

5) I have been threatened 3 or 4 times by a male associate in some capacity. Be polite, apologize, say you had no idea she was with someone else AND LEAVE! More often than not they are set ups to extract more cash from you but they try to make it look like you are hitting on their girl, unbeknownst to them. Almost never the case. It is a scam.

6) As to digital concerns, I always purchase in cash or PayPal because only I have access to my PayPal account.