[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1546090]I know we say some crazy stuff in L. A. But what the f is a Nando 1.[/QUOTE]Nando = A measure of quality referencing the Nando Scale (Hernando. Post #779)
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[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1546090]I know we say some crazy stuff in L. A. But what the f is a Nando 1.[/QUOTE]Nando = A measure of quality referencing the Nando Scale (Hernando. Post #779)
SubCmdr out
[QUOTE=JoesParty; 1546015]Sometimes the CPO calculation shouldn't be a straight $$ spent divided by cups of coffee ratio. You seem to have had quite a night on the town and undoubtedly enjoyed yourself there, even before you arrived at the hotel. If it makes you feel better about CPO, it would be reasonable to allocate some of those costs to the "fun" intangibles, rather than solely to the number of orgasms. We play with numbers like this all the time in the accounting world, which is further proof that number crunching is just as much an art as a science.
The thing about intangibles is that they often tend to pay returns when you least expect it, and you can tap that reservoir of goodwill when traditional sources of cash may be in shorter supply than normal.[/QUOTE]I agree. How do you put a quantitative value on goodwill? That is why I like to keep the sugar amount low so for the special ones like ATF I can splurge and have a big night on the town.
So, far the forum has come up with four Sugar Baby Metrics. Two are qualitative and two are quantitative.
Qualitative.
Nando = A measure of quality referencing the Nando Scale (Hernado Post #779)
ISBE = Ideal Sugar Baby Experience (John G Smith. Post #1983)
Quantitative.
CPO = Cost per Orgasm (SubCmdr – Post. #1464)
TIH = Time in Hole (AOneFred7734 – #Post 1972)
The quality of the sugar baby experience should not be limited to a strict quantitative calculation.
When we returned to the room after our night on the town she jumped my bones. Not really being prepared for that type of reaction, I excused myself and went to the bathroom. I come out of the bathroom to a completely darkened room. She was standing in front of the full length window and basking in the warm glow of the city lights. I approached her, kissed her neck and she said 'I just love this view'. Her panties hit the floor, she was already wet and the evening just got better from there.
Intangibles indeed.
SubCmdr out
Sometimes our reach exceeds our grasp, and that was what happened to me on Friday. I had a double header lined up, one with a 19 year old who turned out to be a Nando 1, and another with a 22 year old Nando 3 who likes it rough and, relatively, cheap. These were both first dates, with Nando 1 suppossed to go down at 1, and Nando 3 at 4 on Friday afternoon.
Long story short, I'd been flirting back an forth with Nando 1 for about a week, and we agreed on Thursday to meet Friday afternoon. That morning, she sends the "how much" email, and I told her I could provide $, with an extra. 2 to cover her gas. She writes back to inform me that she never meets for less than $$$, but being a longtime follower of this forum I know that is BS. I tell her that I could meet in the middle at $$ (thinking with my little head, because her pictures were incredibly hot). She agrees to this (a little too quickly) , and by 11, time and place are locked in.
I get to the FC and check-in at 12:55, feeling frustrated to be so rushed. Not to worry. At 1:15 I get a text that she's "heading over," which concerns me because I was downtown and she was in Ashland (a solid 20 miles, for you non-Richmonders). I stew a little, and at 1:50 I finally get the knock on the door. She comes in, we small talk for a few minutes (since we'd never met before) , and then get down to business. We make out for several minutes (I just love kissing a new girl) and then she goes downtown. A few more minutes of head (I mean. 20 or 30 minutes. Yeah, that's it) and I CIM. She swallows (points for her) and we play with each other's bodies before I return the favor.
After I give her a couple Os, I hit the head and go to pour us some more wine, but when I come back. She's getting dressed! We've been together MAYBE 30 minutes at this point, but she says her GF is waiting in the lobby and has to get back to babysit her (the GF's) nephew. I'm disappointed (I was planning to be with her until at least 3) , but obviously I'm not going to prevent her from leaving if she wants, so I go to my bag and give her $.
She gets pretty upset, and says we agreed on $$. I acknowledge that, but also point out that we'd agreed on 1:00, she'd been with me for less time than she'd been late, and I still have at least one more O left in me that I was hoping to enjoy. She says that "wasn't the deal," but I tell her firmly that she needs to go. After she leaves the room I hastily make an exit out the side of the hotel (I don't like that her friend is waiting downstairs).
I get to my car and leave, then pull into a restaurant a few blocks away to check my phone and confirm my next date. I have a text from Nando 3 that her job is keeping her until 6, and she's very sorry but she has to cancel. FML.
So, did I screw Nando 1 over, or was I too generous to even give her $. I am having a hard time with this, as she did show up and I at least got some relief. However, I don't think anyone (especially not any SD's) believes that half an hour and some head is what an "arrangement" is all about. Especially for a SB who "never meets for less than $$$."
I'd love some opinions, especially from Mandy, about how I handled this and how I might have handled it better.
Dr. Feelgood
[QUOTE=FeelGoodMd; 1546285]So, did I screw Nando 1 over, or was I too generous to even give her $. I am having a hard time with this, as she did show up and I at least got some relief. However, I don't think anyone (especially not any SD's) believes that half an hour and some head is what an "arrangement" is all about. Especially for a SB who "never meets for less than $$$." I'd love some opinions, especially from Mandy, about how I handled this and how I might have handled it better.[/QUOTE]Dr,
It's really only important that you feel good about how you handled it. IMHO it was a generous gift. She was worth no more than half of what you gave her. Don't let the wool get pulled over your eyes. You were dealing with a garden tool that has internet access. And your sugar amount should reflect that fact. From this point on, make a complete assessment of who you are dealing with. Let a SB with GPS walk! Figure out where the SB is on the Nando scale before you meet up. Just because a garden tool has a gold plated handle does not mean you aren't going to use it dig in the dirt like all of your other garden tools. I gave Mandy a saying that I use and she passed on: "Don't expect sugar baby treatment if you roll up on me like a garden tool." I get turned down all the time because of my low sugar offers. But I've also had them accepted and hit the jackpot (like with HMM).
As for the early exit. I would have told her that until I'm completely satisfied there is no sugar. What is she going to do? She doesn't know a thing about you. She is pressed for time. With you holding out the clock continues to tick. What is her friend going to do? Goto the front desk and say "Excuse me, my friend went to see the guy in room X and she has not come out yet." She treated you like a punk man. She only deserves to be treated like a lady if she is acting like one. She doesn't leave the room if your dick is still hard!
I may not always make the best decisions. But I can tell you one thing, I never operate out of fear. You are the bank. They need the loan. Make them put the work in. Next time tell her to drop her panties and bend over. Work that nasty thing until you bust up in it! I roll strictly with the hard working Nando1's. If you like the trailer trash, hood rats and 'round the way girls like me, you better learn how to handle them or you're going to wake up in a ditch.
SubCmdr out
[QUOTE=FeelGoodMd; 1546285]Sometimes our reach exceeds our grasp, and that was what happened to me on Friday. I had a double header lined up, one with a 19 year old who turned out to be a Nando 1, and another with a 22 year old Nando 3 who likes it rough and, relatively, cheap. These were both first dates, with Nando 1 suppossed to go down at 1, and Nando 3 at 4 on Friday afternoon.
Long story short, I'd been flirting back an forth with Nando 1 for about a week, and we agreed on Thursday to meet Friday afternoon. That morning, she sends the "how much" email, and I told her I could provide $, with an extra. 2 to cover her gas. She writes back to inform me that she never meets for less than $$$, but being a longtime follower of this forum I know that is BS. I tell her that I could meet in the middle at $$ (thinking with my little head, because her pictures were incredibly hot). She agrees to this (a little too quickly) , and by 11, time and place are locked in.
I get to the FC and check-in at 12:55, feeling frustrated to be so rushed. Not to worry. At 1:15 I get a text that she's "heading over," which concerns me because I was downtown and she was in Ashland (a solid 20 miles, for you non-Richmonders). I stew a little, and at 1:50 I finally get the knock on the door. She comes in, we small talk for a few minutes (since we'd never met before) , and then get down to business. We make out for several minutes (I just love kissing a new girl) and then she goes downtown. A few more minutes of head (I mean. 20 or 30 minutes. Yeah, that's it) and I CIM. She swallows (points for her) and we play with each other's bodies before I return the favor.
After I give her a couple Os, I hit the head and go to pour us some more wine, but when I come back. She's getting dressed! We've been together MAYBE 30 minutes at this point, but she says her GF is waiting in the lobby and has to get back to babysit her (the GF's) nephew. I'm disappointed (I was planning to be with her until at least 3) , but obviously I'm not going to prevent her from leaving if she wants, so I go to my bag and give her $.
She gets pretty upset, and says we agreed on $$. I acknowledge that, but also point out that we'd agreed on 1:00, she'd been with me for less time than she'd been late, and I still have at least one more O left in me that I was hoping to enjoy. She says that "wasn't the deal," but I tell her firmly that she needs to go. After she leaves the room I hastily make an exit out the side of the hotel (I don't like that her friend is waiting downstairs).
I get to my car and leave, then pull into a restaurant a few blocks away to check my phone and confirm my next date. I have a text from Nando 3 that her job is keeping her until 6, and she's very sorry but she has to cancel. FML.
So, did I screw Nando 1 over, or was I too generous to even give her $. I am having a hard time with this, as she did show up and I at least got some relief. However, I don't think anyone (especially not any SD's) believes that half an hour and some head is what an "arrangement" is all about. Especially for a SB who "never meets for less than $$$."
I'd love some opinions, especially from Mandy, about how I handled this and how I might have handled it better.
Dr. Feelgood[/QUOTE]I go for the shy but out control slutty girls. I have a lot a misses. But one out of 5 is a repeater. I only pay $ and do get a lot of turndows. But I also get 2 new girls a week that have agreed to enough terms for a first date. In a year thats a 100 girls. Thats like saying you got 20 regulars if you want them. So one bad experience just put one step closer to a good one. And of course the good ones get better. Somtimes. LOL
I guess she burned everyone she could here in Charlottesville, see my cash and dash report below, I noticed she has moved her profile location to Richmond so watch out guys. Very promising talker, but desperate like someone on BP with a bad habit. Her profile pic is an overhead shot of a girl in a bikini with a blurred face. Careful guys. May be working as waitress, too heavy and clumsy to dance she told me, at paper moon with name Ginnie.
A cute young one willing to try everything and all she wants, is some drinks, dinner a stay in a hotel, and won't blink if anybody looks and you introduce her as "my wife' or "my mistress approved by my wife" to shut the looks up.
Who thinks you have dome more than she deserves by finding another female for a night, so she canner her first female-female play.
They are there, just need to go through a whole fleet of nando 1, 2 etc.
Ha, I see where she writes that she "loves Spankings" in her profile. Nice!
I would love to know anything about Anne in Glen Allen,
Profile Number. 860835 (Sugar Baby. F)
Age 41 from Glen Allen, United States.
Username:
Anne.
City / State:
Glen Allen, Virginia.
Country:
United States.
Age:
41 years old.
Height:
1. 63 meters (5' 4")
Body Type:
Slim.
[QUOTE=EasyGoingJ;1546675]I guess she burned everyone she could here in Charlottesville, see my cash and dash report below, I noticed she has moved her profile location to Richmond so watch out guys. Very promising talker, but desperate like someone on BP with a bad habit. Her profile pic is an overhead shot of a girl in a bikini with a blurred face. Careful guys. May be working as waitress, too heavy and clumsy to dance she told me, at paper moon with name Ginnie.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=EasyGoingJ;1546675]I guess she burned everyone she could here in Charlottesville, see my cash and dash report below, I noticed she has moved her profile location to Richmond so watch out guys. Very promising talker, but desperate like someone on BP with a bad habit. Her profile pic is an overhead shot of a girl in a bikini with a blurred face. Careful guys. May be working as waitress, too heavy and clumsy to dance she told me, at paper moon with name Ginnie.[/QUOTE]Not that it effects me, since I am in Chicago, but I think some of our bretheren would appreciate an exact profile # on this bad, bad baby. I am pretty sure this is not against Jackson's rules, and it would be extremely useful to our local chapter.
Peace,
Scott
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;1544233]Her friend is 19, student, blonde and hot.[/QUOTE]Blonde is on SA. Profile 1154604 Name: Mary Location: Columbia, MD. I cannot find Brunette's profile.
I think it is good policy to out bad babies. The only problem with profile #'s is that they can cancel them and and resurface.
SubCmdr out
With the ATF serving an indefinite period in the penalty box for playing me like a chump lately, I decided to fire up the SA account and start fishing again. I still have my nice 18yo HYB in my back pocket, but I crave variety. I've therefore set up a series of interviews this week to replenish my little black book, and, with some luck, find my next favorite.
Interview #1 was last evening after work. At 43, she's the oldest Pot I've met. She sounded nice on the phone, and from what I could glean from our conversation, she is divorced, has kids, and a stable career. She only had one pic on SA, but it was nice. Definitely MILF material. We met at the bar of a casual chain restaurant for an introductory drink.
This woman is hot. Keep in mind, gents, that I'm mid 30s, so 43 theoretically is at the edge of my comfort zone. But she's slim, toned, and has great features. Needless to say, the interview started well.
We talked for about an hour. She does seem to have her shit together. She says she normally trolls the legit dating sites but that she isn't looking for a relationship now, just fun. We never discussed specific sugar, although she dropped lots of hints that she expected to be well compensated for her time. At this point, I had to decide whether I should take a risk, and if so, for how much, or just cut her loose after the M&G.
I e-mailed a trusted brother but unfortunately did not hear back in time. In any event, I decided to take the plunge. We went to a hotel down the street, got another drink at the hotel bar, and headed upstairs. This is the "first" for me: the first time I've gone to the FC on a first interview.
After that, it was ON. She quickly shed her clothes and told me to take off my pants. Excellent; I like a woman who takes charge. She showed me a good time, and after I returned the favor, I knew she was enjoying herself by the large wet spot on the bed. Multiple positions ensued, she enjoyed herself a couple more times, and I had a big finish.
I decided to slip her sugar at the high end of my scale, because I would like to see her again. Turns out, I outbid myself (I know, I know) because she called almost immediately after we were headed our separate ways to tell me she had a great time and looks forward to our next meeting, which she offered to host at her place.
All in all, she's an excellent candidate to keep on the roster for future occasional visits. If I'm going to "Stand and take my grade" as the Cmdr would say, I'd give myself a sold B. Hot MILF, sex on the first date, prospect for future romps at her place, but overpaid.
Interview #2 is set for this evening with a HYCB; Interview #3 is Friday with a 27yo girl-next-door type. It's a tough job, but someone has to do it.
[QUOTE=F Scott; 1547117]Not that it effects me, since I am in Chicago, but I think some of our bretheren would appreciate an exact profile # on this bad, bad baby. I am pretty sure this is not against Jackson's rules, and it would be extremely useful to our local chapter.
Peace,
Scott[/QUOTE]Good idea Scott,
Her profile number is 623953, I will update if she changes or deletes. I treat my babies well and will not tolerate out and out thievery or other bad behavior that I associate more with a BP ad or a desperate garden tool with a bad habit. I would have probably made a gift to her if she told me she needed it so badly, I am fortunate and don't mind sharing what I have.
We all need to work together with both the good and the bad. Thanks to all my brothers on here, I've been playing for many years but have learned many valuable things reading here, wish I had more positive experiences to share.
J
Hi guys. I'm from the 757 but used to read the Richmond board as I got up there occasionally. I used to read this particular forum right after it started but it was, well, moribund as far as useful information. But I'm bored today and decided to check it out again. Holy sh*t! I am impressed! I'm a bit of a SD myself at the moment, having become the go-to for a local 22 year old who can't seem to hook up with anyone but me locally as she doesn't have a place. Plus, she's not exactly what I'm looking for and I like variety.
At any rate, I've been trying figure out what SA is? I've RTFFed but no one has referred to the site by name, and it must work as you guys are mining the hell out of it. I tried AFF and POF without any success, waste of $$. Thanks in advance for the info.
And, SubCmdr, your posts have me RTFLMAO.
[QUOTE=Exacta Picker; 1547785]Hi guys. I'm from the 757 but used to read the Richmond board as I got up there occasionally. I used to read this particular forum right after it started but it was, well, moribund as far as useful information. But I'm bored today and decided to check it out again. Holy sh*t! I am impressed! I'm a bit of a SD myself at the moment, having become the go-to for a local 22 year old who can't seem to hook up with anyone but me locally as she doesn't have a place. Plus, she's not exactly what I'm looking for and I like variety.
At any rate, I've been trying figure out what SA is? I've RTFFed but no one has referred to the site by name, and it must work as you guys are mining the hell out of it. I tried AFF and POF without any success, waste of $$. Thanks in advance for the info.
And, SubCmdr, your posts have me RTFLMAO.[/QUOTE]Welcome back, EP. Believe it or not, this is the first thing I read every day. It's always full of info, and even in slow times, there's a laugh or two to be had.
SA = seeking arrangement. Com (remove spaces)
There are other sites, of course, and they tend to be regional at times. But SA I think is the largest.
[QUOTE=JoesParty;1547728]All in all, she's an excellent candidate to keep on the roster for future occasional visits. If I'm going to "Stand and take my grade" as the Cmdr would say, I'd give myself a sold B. Hot MILF, sex on the first date, prospect for future romps at her place, but overpaid.[/QUOTE]Joe,
My man! You caught the 3rd wire!
Your approach: Solid; Working the cougar angle eh? I like it!
Her appearance: 'This woman is hot'
Assessment of Nando class: Dead on.
Move to the FC on the first date: Impressive, plus bonus points for no discussion of sugar.
Sexual performance: 'After that, it was ON'
Sugar Amount: So you may have outbid yourself. You wanted to see her again. The sexual performance was solid. And you got an invitation to return with her hosting. That places her at ease, improves the quality of the experience, and is going to lower your CPO. So, put that extra sugar that you could have saved into intangibles / goodwill and roll with it.
You are too hard on yourself: A-
SubCmdr out
[QUOTE=EasyGoingJ; 1547772]Good idea Scott,
Her profile number is 623953, I will update if she changes or deletes. I treat my babies well and will not tolerate out and out thievery or other bad behavior that I associate more with a BP ad or a desperate garden tool with a bad habit. I would have probably made a gift to her if she told me she needed it so badly, I am fortunate and don't mind sharing what I have.
We all need to work together with both the good and the bad. Thanks to all my brothers on here, I've been playing for many years but have learned many valuable things reading here, wish I had more positive experiences to share.
J[/QUOTE]Easy,
When I plugged the number into the SA search function, I almost fell off my chair! I have business that takes me often down to Asheville, and Susie is someone that I had spent a fair amount of time emailing back and forth with, in anticipation of meeting up with her on my next visit. She then fell off the radar, but my comment that I was immune to someone in your neck of the woods was clearly a little naive. Thanks, my brother, for the invaluable intel. I see she no longer is listing in NC, but I will scrub her from my cell and contact list to make sure I don't accidentally contact her in the future. Again, a request to the brotherhood - out these bad babies with details. We all recognize this is a different league in terms of costs and rewards, and I am guessing none of us want to lose sugar needlessly.
I am currently back in my favorite city in the south, having just driven the 11 hours it takes to get down here, and am looking forward to a week full of work, billable hours, and babies.
As always, keep up the good work, and don't forget to write.
Scott
The first interview with a HYCB was a no-go yesterday, as she failed to show. I confirmed the day and time, checked that she was on her way, and she still stood me up. Called me two hours after our meeting time with the lame "I lost track of time and didn't answer your calls because I didn't have my phone near me" excuse."But you can drive an hour to come see me still tonight."
Bullshit. You lost your chance, sweetie. I have zero tolerance for girls who waste my time. If there's one thing I've learned in my time in the sugar bowl, it's that there are dozens of other eligible ladies willing to take the place of the one who just doesn't get it.
Ok so I have had this good 18 yr old (SB-perfect) now for close to 9 monhts, very eager and very accommodating. But she went of to college 3 hrs away, so the visits became quite infrequent.
I had let my SA membership expire, yes I got the occasional winks, emails but after looking to the profiles I kept saying nah not worth it. Until until about a week ago. I got an email and I though ok nice. But not worth it. Then 2 days a later another email from the same one, locally, cute, right age, right words in her profile. So I decided to renew, and started the pursuit. All went very smooth, but she kept insisting on only email. Should have been red flag 1. Which 21 yr old does NOT want to text. Then after a bit I was able to get her to yahoo messenger for a bit more interactive conversations, still she had every point, quality I needed. I asked for a few more pics and I got 2 more. So we set up a coffee date. I go to the location, she is not there after 15 minutes, and I get a text. Ok must be her, no. It was SB-perfect texting me "oh your new SB won't be showing up since she does not like a guy who cheats "
WOW so SB-perfect had gotten too attached.
Hi Everyone,
It's been a while since I've posted, I'm happily on month 10 with my one and only SB. However, I had introduced a friend to this world. He tried both SD4Me and SA. He fell victim to the 'send me something up front' scam. I had warned him against sending money before meeting, but he let little head do his thinking. This is the first one he had even corresponded with! I'm passing on the profile IDs involved so that none of you fall victim.
SA. Profile = 1185001.
SD4Me. Profile = 2393777.
Good luck and I hope you're all doing well!
Euro I'm sorry for you that you lost your ATF. There is a lot of game playing going on and I have to admit that I monitored my ATF last year because I didn't want her double dipping. So the bottom line is to be up front with them as to your desires and intentions. It might not work out anyway but they can never say you didn't warn them. Very early on with my ATF OAO (one and only) I still saw a few hookers and worked SDFM, but I realized that she was so perfect for me that 1) I needed all the play$$$ to see only her and 2) it wasn't worth losing what I had for an extra strange roll in the hay. It's too bad that we can't look at our wives that way. Maybe Brandy has the right idea.
I know it's easier said than done. All of us married SDs are cheating by nature so it gets easier to play the lie unfortunately.
[QUOTE=F Scott; 1548234]Easy,
When I plugged the number into the SA search function, I almost fell off my chair! I have business that takes me often down to Asheville, and Susie is someone that I had spent a fair amount of time emailing back and forth with, in anticipation of meeting up with her on my next visit. She then fell off the radar, but my comment that I was immune to someone in your neck of the woods was clearly a little naive. Thanks, my brother, for the invaluable intel. I see she no longer is listing in NC, but I will scrub her from my cell and contact list to make sure I don't accidentally contact her in the future. Again, a request to the brotherhood. Out these bad babies with details. We all recognize this is a different league in terms of costs and rewards, and I am guessing none of us want to lose sugar needlessly.
I am currently back in my favorite city in the south, having just driven the 11 hours it takes to get down here, and am looking forward to a week full of work, billable hours, and babies.
As always, keep up the good work, and don't forget to write.
Scott[/QUOTE]Wow Scott,
That is quite a coincidence, but she was in Charlottesville then away for awhile, I think SC and NC and popped up back here a few weeks ago I think, now in Richmond so if the numbers match that is the one. I will always list profile numbers in the future thanks to your suggestion.
If you are in Asheville I envy you I have seen some hot profiles there over the years, not too even start on Chicago, you lucky guy.
BTW : I really enjoyed your story about the goth / punk? Type from a few months ago. That was also I great example of why I always consider when meeting a HYB that this may well be a one night stand. I have had some steady arrangements last as long as two years, but there have also been the girls I have seen from 1 to 5 times and then gone, moved, decided lifestyle not right for her, got a steady bf, just gone, etc. This is a flighty bunch esp. In the early twenties age range I prefer, although I am moving that up to the more settled 30 somethings. I even saw one baby for about 5 years on and off based on whether her current bf was doing her right, her therapist's input, finding religion or some other guilt. I learned to just lie back and wait for her to come back around.
So a tip to my brothers, if you've got that hot baby in the FC make the most of the time, do it all, try it all, depending of course on her willing and eager participation. While you will probably see her again, and I think that finding the ideal regular baby is our goal, the fact is in this world, stuff happens, and you may not. I have learned that this is just how it is and have adjusted my mindset accordingly, just as much or more fun and a whole lot less angst and regret when it ends.
[QUOTE=Hernando; 1550459]Euro I'm sorry for you that you lost your ATF.
. It might not work out anyway but they can never say you didn't warn them.
I know it's easier said than done. All of us married SDs are cheating by nature so it gets easier to play the lie unfortunately.[/QUOTE]Yes the point I was trying to make. Some ATF's get too attached. Funny how she accepted that there was a wive and 'entrapped' me by enticing me with a 'perfect' SB. I have to be lucky she did this, . Because she got too attached. Which would mean she would have interfered with the home front in the long run. Lucky for me the home front knows about my escapades. But it would have been still a hassle.
And as many discussion have been about this, always make sure you can get some data to use in case this happens to make her move on.
Going on the new hunt "to explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations, to boldly go where no man has gone before." engines at warp 3, long range scanner turned on, drop out of cloaked mode start broadcast on all frequencies.
It seems as though just about everybody's had some trials lately. Is it something in the water? The change in seasons? Or simply the fact that, as we increase reporting our activities, the bad experiences are bound to come out of the woodwork? Just rhetorical questions, I suppose.
I, for one, have had my own challenges this week. I'd set three M&Gs this week in the hope of replenishing my little black book. The first went extremely well, culminating in my first ever first-date FC visit. The report is earlier in this thread.
The other two didn't go so well. In fact, they didn't go at all. I reported on Wednesday that my date for Tuesday never showed. Today's scheduled M&G was cancelled when the girl was called in to work a double shift to cover for a sick coworker. We've been trying to find an agreeable time for two weeks now, so I'm pessimistic we'll ever meet. In fact, I have another browser window open to SA at this very moment as I look for new prospects.
For all my troubles this week, though, I still had an unbelievable night with my 18yo HYB who is quickly approaching ATF status. We haven't been together long enough for her to earn that title yet, but there's very little (if anything) about her that I don't like.
Last night was an overnight, and HYB has been begging me for a while to take her a strip club. Because she's under 21, our choices were severely limited, but the one that allows 18-year-olds was perfect for a first timer, anyway. It's relatively no pressure, not rowdy (even though located in a college town), and pretty inexpensive. I've been a number of times when I was a club newbie, but I haven't been to this particular club in more than a year.
We had a great time. She saw her first naked women, which I think was pretty eye-opening for her, as she identifies as bi-curious, even though she's never more than kissed another girl. And it turned out to be a nice night for talent, as most were young, natural coed beauties. She also got her first lap dance, and the dancer was totally cool, allowing HYB to touch at will. I was there too, of course, and it was hot to watch. At one point, the dancer buried her head in HYB's lap, stuck her ass in my face, and grabbed HYB's tits in her hands. Afterward, HYB told me the dancer was tonguing her through her shorts. Very nice.
Needless to say, the visit paid dividends back at the hotel. I am utterly exhausted today, as there was very little sleeping to speak of. When we woke up and got ready to leave, I counted six condom wrappers around the room.
To top it all off, HYB said to me at one point during the evening: "I want to watch you have sex with another girl."
I am hooked on this girl (and hoping that she has hot 18yo friends willing to play with us), so much so that I question whether I need backup babies at all. But at the end of the day, it can never hurt to have possibilities, no?
Good luck this weekend, gents.
Regards,
Joe
My time has been pretty limited so I haven't had a chance to give a summery of my 6/6 ISBE girl. But the short version is that when we met a couple of weeks ago, the initial date went pretty well. We had a good conversation and everything but I didn't get any lovin'. While initially she said we could get together at her place when I got there she back tracked and said her roommates would be a problem. Then later on she stated she wouldn't have sex at all or anything until I got a current STD test. Claimed she was a germ freak. And once I got the STD test everything would still be covered. So yeah two pretty big disappointments right there, but otherwise we got along very well so it was still a nice evening. She trusted me to drop her off at her parents house, so I didn't get the vibe that she was trying to push me away.
However a few days later, she basically stopped txting abruptly (we had been txting multiple times a day until then). I didn't contact her and I wanted to see how long it would be before she sent me a message. It ended up being close to 5 days and during that time I saw her log on to the SD site. So I figured she found someone with a bigger wallet. I eventually asked what was up and she apologized and said she was trying to figure out her living situation. She basically got booted from her roommates apartment, dropped out of school, and moved back in with her parents. Okay so she had a lot of stuff going on, but I didn't really appreciate going onto the SD site without txting me. I'm not naive, I just as us guys check up on other pot SBs, I know SBs do the same thing. However if a SB I'm seeing has time to browse on SA or other SD sites, then she has time to send me a txt message if that's our routine.
Furthermore, since she moved in with her parents she now lives a little further away and I'm obviously going to have to book a hotel.
So she basically dropped from a 6/6 to a about a 3. 5/6. I figured I'd get some advice / opinions from my brothers here. Should I go through the trouble of getting a STD test and dealing with the other setbacks? She's hot and our personalities do click fairly well. Also she claims she's pretty freaky in the sack. But I'm just wondering if she's more trouble than it's worth. I'll go through the trouble of a STD test if we're going to be doing uncovered activities, but just for to have covered activities? Come on. And while the initial allowance she wanted was fairly modest, my CPO is increasing noticeably because her place is a no-go and she's talking about going to day spas and such. And with her out of school and not working, she might be venturing to nando1 territory and will keep looking for other SDs since she now has a lot of time on her hands.
While I've been pondering on her, I've also been looking at some other pot SBs. I might meetup with a hot college Asian SB next weekend who was happy with my sugar offer and also might make her place available. Also our txt conversations have gone well. She lives about the same distance as the other SB, but I'm hoping this girl will have less hoops for me to jump through for me to get some nookie.
So do I rev up the warp engines and lay in coordinates to a new SB planetary system? Or should I give the current one a few more scans and probes before classifying it has uninhabitable for my needs?
[QUOTE=John G Smith; 1551362]she wouldn't have sex at all or anything until I got a current STD test. Claimed she was a germ freak. And once I got the STD test everything would still be covered. S.
So do I rev up the warp engines and lay in coordinates to a new SB planetary system? Or should I give the current one a few more scans and probes before classifying it has uninhabitable for my needs?[/QUOTE]The test sounds like some excuse to 'be your sb, but not commit' A civilization which is ruled by the 'rules of germs' does not really interface well with the explorers who adhere to the rules of "sugar and pleasure and relaxation"
The galaxy is large so grab the next 6/6 planet, there are plenty out there, and if not today, then next week. I have seen man new planets pop up on my scanners over the years. Some led to short cultural exchanges, she led to long term.
Safe voyage
[QUOTE=John G Smith;1551362]So do I rev up the warp engines and lay in coordinates to a new SB planetary system? Or should I give the current one a few more scans and probes before classifying it has uninhabitable for my needs?[/QUOTE]Why put all your eggs in one basket? Even if your 6/6, who is now a 3. 5/6, ends up being a solid baby, why not have backups on the line?
Listen, everyone here (babies included) should realize this is NSA. I admit it took me a while to fully realize what NSA really means, and I've had to educate a girl or two as well. But no strings attached means . . . no strings attached. You can cut and run at any time, as can they. That's why, despite the fact I have a golden HYB right now, I'm still out doing interviews to find subs when needed.
[QUOTE=John G Smith; 1551362]Then later on she stated she wouldn't have sex at all or anything until I got a current STD test.
However a few days later, she basically stopped txting abruptly (we had been txting multiple times a day until then).
However if a SB I'm seeing has time to browse on SA or other SD sites, then she has time to send me a txt message if that's our routine.
Furthermore, since she moved in with her parents she now lives a little further away and I'm obviously going to have to book a hotel.
But I'm hoping this girl will have less hoops for me to jump through for me to get some nookie.
So do I rev up the warp engines and lay in coordinates to a new SB planetary system? Or should I give the current one a few more scans and probes before classifying it has uninhabitable for my needs?[/QUOTE]Time to move on dude. Best thing is to have a few in the pipeline knowing that these girls come and go, raise the price over time, etc. If you are not getting what you want from a girl there is always one to take her place for less
Hello everyone, I dabble in this field myself occasionally and was hoping for just a little info. I have been a member of SD4ME for awhile, although it has been lapsed quite a while. I'm thinking of rejoining but have heard you speak of SA as well. Can someone give their preferences, why are they different, what makes one better than another? Like I said, just trying to decide which to join again. Thanks.
[QUOTE=John G Smith;1551362]MThen later on she stated she wouldn't have sex at all or anything until I got a current STD test. Claimed she was a germ freak. And once I got the STD test everything would still be covered. So yeah two pretty big disappointments right there,[/QUOTE]I think it is time to pass this SB. As you mentioned, if she is open for uncovered activities after STD test (she would also need to provide you STD test as well in such case) , definitely go for it. It is way too much trouble from what you described.
Man, I forgot how hard it is to get pots to answer. I did a screen on SD4me and emailed 10 pots, and got 2 answers and so far no discussions yet. I think I'm going to have to do SA since there should be a lot more candidates. I thought all ten were going to jump at my cleverly worded profile, but so far no good. This makes me appreciate my ATF even more than ever, which is harrrrd to do. I'm going to keep working on her to come back. Maybe the fear and anxiety will wear off and her desire for my easy allowance and charm will lure her in. I am seriously grieving, but it has only been 2 weeks. After all.
Joe, you ARE the man right now. I believe you have taken over from Scotty for the moment. An 18 yr old who wants to see you fuck another girl? There are many pleasures awaiting you apparently before you get tired of her. And who knows? Maybe she will keep bringing you new talent to keep her interested.
JG, Get your STD test panel and call her bluff as long as she will allow bare backing. Also keep looking for new talent since she is also.
[QUOTE=Hernando; 1552414]Man, I forgot how hard it is to get pots to answer. I did a screen on SD4me and emailed 10 pots, and got 2 answers and so far no discussions yet. I think I'm going to have to do SA since there should be a lot more candidates. I thought all ten were going to jump at my cleverly worded profile, but so far no good. This makes me appreciate my ATF even more than ever, which is harrrrd to do. I'm going to keep working on her to come back. Maybe the fear and anxiety will wear off and her desire for my easy allowance and charm will lure her in. I am seriously grieving, but it has only been 2 weeks. After all.
Joe, you ARE the man right now. I believe you have taken over from Scotty for the moment. An 18 yr old who wants to see you fuck another girl? There are many pleasures awaiting you apparently before you get tired of her. And who knows? Maybe she will keep bringing you new talent to keep her interested.
JG, Get your STD test panel and call her bluff as long as she will allow bare backing. Also keep looking for new talent since she is also.[/QUOTE]Thanks, Hernando. I broached the subject again yesterday during a text conversation, and she said she'll do "whatever makes [me] happy." All I need to do is find a third, I guess; she says she doesn't know anyone, although I suspect some of her friends may be up for it if she only asked.
It certainly is difficult to even schedule an interview lately, isn't it? I've been fishing pretty regularly in hopes of expanding my little black book, and my success at even getting a simple response is probably under 25 percent. Then, when I do get a response, we either can't find an agreeable time, or she falls off the radar, or she doesn't even show to the M&G. Of all the pots I've contacted, I've only met one in the last three weeks.
Must be the fall weather. Keep at it; it will happen eventually.
[QUOTE=John G Smith;1551362]Then later on she stated she wouldn't have sex at all or anything until I got a current STD test. Claimed she was a germ freak. And once I got the STD test everything would still be covered.[/QUOTE]Do both of you understand that a "current" STD test doesn't mean squat until after three to six months (a liberal estimate; some medical professionals recommend a year, or ever longer) of either abstinence or exclusivity with each other? Given the latency and incubation periods of some of the more common bugs, a test done today only indicates how healthy you were a couple of weeks or months ago.
[QUOTE=John G Smith;1551362]It ended up being close to 5 days and during that time I saw her log on to the SD site. [snipped] Okay so she had a lot of stuff going on, but I didn't really appreciate going onto the SD site without txting me. I'm not naive, I just as us guys check up on other pot SBs, I know SBs do the same thing. However if a SB I'm seeing has time to browse on SA or other SD sites, then she has time to send me a txt message if that's our routine.[/QUOTE]In my, not even remotely resembling, humble opinion,"no strings attached" means none on either side. Not even an obligation to let you know what's going on. Yeah, it can be irritating, but as you've acknowledged by asking, you can always dump her if it bothers you too much.
[QUOTE=John G Smith;1551362]I'll go through the trouble of a STD test if we're going to be doing uncovered activities, but just for to have covered activities?[/QUOTE]I'll point out that using a cover isn't [i]only [/i]for protection from STDs. Not that you don't know that, of course, but if she's a germophobe, she might also be paranoid about pregnancy.
[QUOTE=John G Smith;1551362]Come on. And while the initial allowance she wanted was fairly modest, my CPO is increasing noticeably because her place is a no-go and she's talking about going to day spas and such. And with her out of school and not working, she might be venturing to nando1 territory and will keep looking for other SDs since she now has a lot of time on her hands.[/QUOTE]This is the one that raises the most red flags for me. If she's hinting now, and you are seeing the potential, that expenses might increase, you have to decide whether or not it's worth it. Good luck with that. LOL.
[QUOTE=John G Smith;1551362]So do I rev up the warp engines and lay in coordinates to a new SB planetary system? Or should I give the current one a few more scans and probes before classifying it has uninhabitable for my needs?[/QUOTE]I don't see the two options as mutually exclusive, except from a budgetary standpoint, and keeping her on the line shouldn't really cost that much. After all, if she wants more, she knows how to get it, right?
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[QUOTE=Hernando;1552414]Man, I forgot how hard it is to get pots to answer. I did a screen on SD4me and emailed 10 pots, and got 2 answers and so far no discussions yet. I think I'm going to have to do SA since there should be a lot more candidates. I thought all ten were going to jump at my cleverly worded profile, but so far no good. This makes me appreciate my ATF even more than ever, which is harrrrd to do. I'm going to keep working on her to come back. Maybe the fear and anxiety will wear off and her desire for my easy allowance and charm will lure her in. I am seriously grieving, but it has only been 2 weeks. After all.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=JoesParty;1552456]It certainly is difficult to even schedule an interview lately, isn't it? I've been fishing pretty regularly in hopes of expanding my little black book, and my success at even getting a simple response is probably under 25 percent. Then, when I do get a response, we either can't find an agreeable time, or she falls off the radar, or she doesn't even show to the M&G. Of all the pots I've contacted, I've only met one in the last three weeks.[/QUOTE]Your travails remind me of when I was chasing strippers regularly. Give out my number a hundred times to girls who say they're interested in something more, and I'd be lucky if half of them *ever* called me back at all. Of those, most would just want me to come into the club to spend more money, or just drive to their house and *give* them money. Fewer than five percent ever ended up on a "date", and of those only a few were worth repeating more than a few times.
Which, of course, is the reason I'm here. The one gem that keeps *me* calling back.
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[QUOTE=Hernando; 1552414]Man, I forgot how hard it is to get pots to answer. I did a screen on SD4me and emailed 10 pots, and got 2 answers and so far no discussions yet. I think I'm going to have to do SA since there should be a lot more candidates. I thought all ten were going to jump at my cleverly worded profile, but so far no good. This makes me appreciate my ATF even more than ever, which is harrrrd to do. I'm going to keep working on her to come back. Maybe the fear and anxiety will wear off and her desire for my easy allowance and charm will lure her in. I am seriously grieving, but it has only been 2 weeks. After all.
Joe, you ARE the man right now. I believe you have taken over from Scotty for the moment. An 18 yr old who wants to see you fuck another girl? There are many pleasures awaiting you apparently before you get tired of her. And who knows? Maybe she will keep bringing you new talent to keep her interested.
JG, Get your STD test panel and call her bluff as long as she will allow bare backing. Also keep looking for new talent since she is also.[/QUOTE]I try to meet at least one new girl a week. And yes I do appreciate my ATF a lot more lately. She is a totally straight church going nurse. I am the only guy she has sex with. Lucky me. And this week she is staying over for 2 consecutive nights. Total damage this week should be $$$ tops for 48 hours of sexy fun. Maybe its easier in L. A. There are so many girls. Got an interview at my house in about an hour. 25. 5.9. 130
[QUOTE=JoesParty;1552456]All I need to do is find a third, I guess; she says she doesn't know anyone, although I suspect some of her friends may be up for it if she only asked.[/QUOTE]Joe,
My suggestion is that you take you bi baby into the lifestyle world. As a couple, looking for a third bi woman to join you. Her youth will have you two in heavy demand. You will be able to pick and choose your options. But you have to stay in the younger group to find other bi girls in her age range. Or you could set up a new profile where you are a couple looking for a bi baby to play with you. The only negative to that one is your CPO automatically doubles.
SubCmdr out
Good Nite. Picked this one up from sd4me. 26. 5.9. 130. Met her at the train station and drove her to my place. New girl. Very passionate. And worth repeating. The shy but horny type. She is a young MILF, as about half of them are. Really cute and excellent oral skills. Good lover. And laughed at my jokes. Total damage $. She would need some real fixing up to be at the allowance level. But for an occasional no problem.
This is my current #1. Have her on a per date arrangement. Found her on sd4me. The only place I go. But I see her once a week for 24 to 48 hours at a stretch. Averaging about $$$ total per week for everything.
Folks,
Thank you for this thread. Learned a lot from here. Just got a membership on SA. Already getting some chatting w / some SBs.
Got one MILF (GPS type) asking for 5-7k monthly and telling me that this is the norm. Thanks for this thread, I politely told her that I don't believe that is the norm.
What is the typical way for allowance (per session or monthly in advanced )? I don't think any SB would want monthly towards the end of the month. I personally prefer per-session, but seems that some SBs do not like per-session (seems like a Nado#2. Escort type).
After reading thr. This thread, it seems like per session allowance is ranging $ to $$$ in average. ? (Still learning the CPO. Metrics.)
Any expert here can provide some of your experiences?
Thanks in advance
[QUOTE=Hernando;1552414]JG, Get your STD test panel and call her bluff as long as she will allow bare backing. Also keep looking for new talent since she is also.[/QUOTE]So I had a long talk with my SB today and that's basically what I'm going to be doing. I was telling her my grievances and was in the process of ending things. But she was very apologetic and seemed to have a sincere desire to keep things going. I told her I would only continue things if I got the test we would go bareback. She agreed. Also she offered to have some "fun" video chats to make up for her living situation changing. And I had her assure me that she was content with the current allowance I was giving her.
So I'm going to get the test (I better pass, LOL) and see if she's the real deal. She's extremely hot, supposedly freaky in bed, has a great personality and we get along great. Now that there's a better incentive for me to get tested and she is loosely aware of my CPO budget, it's worth it to me to give her another shot. She might be able to get back up to 5/6 on my ISBE scale. We'll see.
[quote= Zomby]Do both of you understand that a "current" STD test doesn't mean squat until after three to six months (a liberal estimate; some medical professionals recommend a year, or ever longer) of either abstinence or exclusivity with each other? Given the latency and incubation periods of some of the more common bugs, a test done today only indicates how healthy you were a couple of weeks or months ago.[/quote]I'm well aware of this. STD tests are basically just "historical" documents. It tells you what someone was up to 6-12 months ago. That said, it's her body and if a STD test will give her peace of mind, I'll respect her wishes. I'll either take the test or find another girl who doesn't require it. But I'm not going to pressure or try to convince a girl why a STD test is pretty much useless in these situations. We all have our little quirks that gives us comfort to take on the risks of being in the Sugar Bowl.
[quote=Zomby]In my, not even remotely resembling, humble opinion,"no strings attached" means none on either side. Not even an obligation to let you know what's going on. Yeah, it can be irritating, but as you've acknowledged by asking, you can always dump her if it bothers you too much.[/quote]Our arrangement though wasn't / isn't completely NSA. Part of our thing is talking / txting daily. She also stated multiple times that she wants a long-term SD relationship, so it's not exactly no strings attached and that's why except for that 4-5 day stretch she has contacted me daily since it's in her best interest. I've had purely NSA SBs where I only talk with them to setup a meet and that's all. With those kind of SBs I would have no problem if they just disappeared or did whatever. However with "6/6 SB" (yeah, I might as well still use it as her nickname) , we have our boundaries but she's basically a full-time SB not just on the hookups. So an abrupt week absence on either our part will not go unnoticed.
[quote]I don't see the two options as mutually exclusive, except from a budgetary standpoint, and keeping her on the line shouldn't really cost that much. After all, if she wants more, she knows how to get it, right?[/quote]Since we're going to be barebacking she said (without me asking) she's only going to be seeing me (yeah right, LOL). But I like that she's going to make an effort to at least give the allusion that I'm the only one she's seeing. That's good enough for me.
As mentioned before, she's looking for something consistent even if the allowance is relatively modest. She's tired of guys offering her lots of money for basically one night stands and then never seeing them again. Plus it seems she truly enjoys the SD / SB experience of talking with her daddy regularly (she has daddy issues).
Now I got to figure out what I'm going to do with the hot Asian college SB I had planned to meet next weekend. Unfortunately I don't have the budget nor time for both. Both girls require driving a 4 hour round trip, where I'm basically gone for a whole day. I only get that much free "off the grid" time 2-3 times a month. It's a "either or" situation since both have almost identical allowances and occupy the same slots on my schedule. I guess I need to figure out a smooth way to put the Asian SB on the backburner. It's going to be tough since she was ready to go.
As mentioned in my previous message, my SB suggested we do some explicit video chats. Definitely sounds fun but I figured I would get your guys feedback on this as well since I'm a bit cautious with these type of things.
I know quite a few guys on these forums take personal pics even vids of their escapades. I've always been a bit skittish doing things like this but I'm not some politician or celebrity, so I highly doubt video chat starring me would get much traction at all. That said, there's always the issue of blackmail if she recorded the video chat. But I could record her as well and since I know her personal information already, it would be mutually assured destruction.
While video chat is obviously more graphic, plenty of guys here have done sexting with their SBs, which carries similar risks. But before I start thinking entirely with the little head, I just wanted to make sure I'm not completely crazy to entertain the idea of an explicit video chat and I wondered if anyone has done anything similar. It would definitely help me get more bang for the allowance I'm giving if I can tell her to pleasure herself on cam between visits.