The Rat Trap

Open letter to Ashley.

First, I apologize if this seems I was bashing you. That was not my intent, at all. I do not know you and try hard not to pass judgement on any lady, only to share accurate intel that I have personal knowledge.

Please re-read the original post. It was an observation that a guy asking a SP to review him is laughable.

I do hope you offer stellar legendary service, make lots of guys happy and make lots of money. I wish that for any provider. I also believe that you are under no obligation to review a guy. I am personally impressed when a SP thanks a monger for a review. For me, it gives a personal touch to the date and, also, does help the monger by verifying him to the rest of us as there are a few questionable gentlemen on here with permanent doughnut powder imbedded in their five-o'clock shadow.

I do see that you now have a review from a trusted member. He likes you, that is good.

Play safe,

C3.

[QUOTE=Ashley23;2360801]Oops I should had read all that was posted 1 a.

St of I was at the Marriot that's 1 of the nicest hotels around and I keep to what we agreed yes I was suppose to post and did not get around to it asap but why bash me like that when it is so not true.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PharmaGuy;2360740]I say first we give her the chance to respond. If she doesn't then that is an admit of guilt.[/QUOTE]Sounds like a good idea. Maybe give her a week or two? I'm not sure if she reads the Rat Trap. Maybe someone should PM her.

Yes as I like him as well and happy he could stay in my corner I learn more and more about this site everyday and can use as many people as I can get in my corner I really just want to make them all happy! Seems to me I have done good on my part and only going to get better!

[QUOTE=Camera3;2361068]Open letter to Ashley.

First, I apologize if this seems I was bashing you. That was not my intent, at all. I do not know you and try hard not to pass judgement on any lady, only to share accurate intel that I have personal knowledge.

Please re-read the original post. It was an observation that a guy asking a SP to review him is laughable.

I do hope you offer stellar legendary service, make lots of guys happy and make lots of money. I wish that for any provider. I also believe that you are under no obligation to review a guy. I am personally impressed when a SP thanks a monger for a review. For me, it gives a personal touch to the date and, also, does help the monger by verifying him to the rest of us as there are a few questionable gentlemen on here with permanent doughnut powder imbedded in their five-o'clock shadow.

I do see that you now have a review from a trusted member. He likes you, that is good.

Play safe,

C3.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Camera3;2359978]What is a White Knight? Is it one of those things that is difficult to define but we sure know when we see one?

I defer to the founders of our board. Here is their definition:

White Knight: A poster who defends or "comes to the rescue" of a provider who has been reviewed poorly, regardless of whether the review is accurate.

I don't think anyone cares if you review a SP more than once. I think we might want new material each time. I mean, why are you giving a second or third or tenth good review? For myself, the only time I have reviewed a SP more than once is if there was something different, maybe new and improved or maybe she went South.

As stated, I am happy to tell all of you that a SP has a need for more business. I won't lie to you about her. I have never embellished the truth or fabricated a review. In fact, if anything, I tend to be a little shy at giving details. Deciding if a SP is "good" is so subjective. I mean, what is a good BJ? What is good FS? We are all amazed when a SP insists on a CBJ and then it is really good. I remember one SP that I used to see from time to time that everyone knew was mechanical. I agree, but her service was so predictable that I sometimes just wanted to know what I was in for. Not great, but good and never a bad time. There are just days where that makes sense.

I do like your statement and agree, there is a bit of a white knight in each of us. Face it, we do find ladies that we just like and want them to succeed. It doesn't matter the reason. That is ours to own. On the other hand, there are ladies I have not reviewed because, frankly, I want to keep them to myself. Yeah, I know, that ain't going to happen. I also have chosen not to give a positive review without asking the lady if she would like me to. Bad reviews. No way. If a lady earns a bad review then she gets a bad review. There are several ladies on here that I have never reviewed. They don't need it. Oh, I would be happy to review them, it is just when everyone knows that these legends are the holy grail, what can I add to it? I really prefer to write about new finds or finds that happened in an unusual place or, as my recent tour in the Western part of our country, some finds that were new and I wanted to primed the pump for more activity in that literary club. Or, in one case, a real soul searching review on a particular ethics question in the hobby as I discovered a most unusual lady, one that no one else will ever experience the way I did. Then again, I am holding a review back until I decide if it should be a good or bad review. It happens. Yeah. There are ladies and dates that are both at the same time.

OK. Some random thoughts and opinions.

C3.[/QUOTE]Another informative post. Thanks, C3. ;.

I talked to one of our legendary ladies this morning and she is pissed at all of us because a few of you guys keep asking for stuff she has made clear she doesn't do. She is thinking of pulling the plug on all of us because, as she put it, no one answering her add on BP ever asks.

Way to go, morons. What the fuck are you thinking?

C3.

One thing we have always said though about polk county and that is "don't poke in polk" - I avoid anyone new like the plague doing incall in davenport, lakeland etc. And secondly don't we always recommend just take the agreed upon cash inside, if she says 150 then that is all that I take on me up to the room. No wallet no cellphone nothing else.

When you watch a providers kids for her while she goes out and bangs your USASG buddies.

[QUOTE=PharmaGuy;2362571]When you watch a providers kids for her while she goes out and bangs your USASG buddies.[/QUOTE]No, that's called a babysitter.

[QUOTE=JacknDrive;2362576]No, that's called a babysitter.[/QUOTE]Oh damn that's right. What about if he calls up his doctor buddy to help her get a script of suboxone to kick the habit?

Or is that just altruistic?

Some of the best gems I have ever found have been housewives on Ashley Madison. But something is going on over there that is just stupid. I am getting hit up from all over the country by young 20 something whatevers looking for me to contact them, which costs, of course. I am sure it is the current scam being run on the site to get guys to pony up some money.

And on the, "C3, you sure are a dick" category, I got contacted about a month ago by one of those Russian babes looking for a pen pal. So, I figure, what the hell, why not play along. I am sure it is really Igor the Russian running his scam but I started writing saying I had a friend in the US Embassy that can give her a visa and also a diplomatic pouch to bring to the USA. She keeps writing back telling me how much she loves me and wants me to meet her at the airport and I keep telling her to contact my friend. So, today she said she needs 1200 bucks to buy a ticket. So, today I told her what was in the pouch was diamonds from South Africa we smuggle into the USA and that I will fly there to meet her. She won't need the ticket since once we get to the USA we will sell the diamonds and live happily in Detroit. I can't wait until her e-mail tomorrow.

You can't buy fun like this anywhere.

C3.

For those guys that have been texting me for year's and months and we never hooked up. You have to understand my point it's frustrating and I take it as you are bull shittin around. Please don't try and ruin my business, and say I have attitude because I simply ask you not to contact me!! Be professional and Iwouldn't ask you not to contact me anymore. I been doing this six years and I take it as bull shit when you do that.

I will put it this way I never met this lady and have no desire to see her even if I wanted too after seeing what others have posted of her I would not take the chance. I have been robbed about 4 times myself and even carry protection in many forms on me or near me when I did this type of thing even got caught by an SP on this site with my multiple pieces of protection LOL. The people who have met me will agree I am a big guy even bigger than this black guy described and they have been tried 4 times in the past. Could it have happened? Hell yes! Did it happen? Probably but I wasn't there. I personally would wait to see if she responds if she doesn't I'd ban her from the site and move on about our happy horny lives!

[QUOTE=Admin2;2360135][BLUE]This guy has been a member here for a number of years. While I don't take positions regarding info on the forum (unless you were there you can't really say you know what happened) something about this smacks of truth to me. If it is, then I sure as fuck don't want her advertising for free here. I'm interested in hearing if any other established Seniors have had any similar experiences with this chick.

Sorry new guys, I'm not discouraging you from posting but if this is true I anticipate a flurry of recently registered users, who suspiciously seem to write the same, to register and talk about how awesome this chick is or why what happened was this guys fault.

A2[/BLUE][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Admin2;2360135][BLUE]This guy has been a member here for a number of years. While I don't take positions regarding info on the forum (unless you were there you can't really say you know what happened) something about this smacks of truth to me. If it is, then I sure as fuck don't want her advertising for free here. I'm interested in hearing if any other established Seniors have had any similar experiences with this chick.

Sorry new guys, I'm not discouraging you from posting but if this is true I anticipate a flurry of recently registered users, who suspiciously seem to write the same, to register and talk about how awesome this chick is or why what happened was this guys fault.

A2[/BLUE][/QUOTE]This new guy is interested in learning from all the senior members of the "Dream Team". I am all ears.

[QUOTE=Admin2;2360135][BLUE]This guy has been a member here for a number of years. While I don't take positions regarding info on the forum (unless you were there you can't really say you know what happened) something about this smacks of truth to me. If it is, then I sure as fuck don't want her advertising for free here. I'm interested in hearing if any other established Seniors have had any similar experiences with this chick.

Sorry new guys, I'm not discouraging you from posting but if this is true I anticipate a flurry of recently registered users, who suspiciously seem to write the same, to register and talk about how awesome this chick is or why what happened was this guys fault.

A2[/BLUE][/QUOTE]I say ban the *****. Too much evidence pointing to this being true and lack of any explanation or defense from her. I tried to go see her a couple times as well. It's a shame it didn't work out because I would have loved to be in that situation. My experiences are always so tame.

KC.

[QUOTE=KingCasanova;2362949]I say ban the *****. Too much evidence pointing to this being true and lack of any explanation or defense from her. I tried to go see her a couple times as well. It's a shame it didn't work out because I would have loved to be in that situation. My experiences are always so tame.

KC.[/QUOTE]Banning removes the info. I'm thinking the forum is working exactly as it's supposed to in this case.

A2.

[QUOTE=Camera3;2362511]I talked to one of our legendary ladies this morning and she is pissed at all of us because a few of you guys keep asking for stuff she has made clear she doesn't do. She is thinking of pulling the plug on all of us because, as she put it, no one answering her add on BP ever asks.

Way to go, morons. What the fuck are you thinking?

C3.[/QUOTE]See what us women have to deal with? . Tell her don't give up its plenty of non morons out here, to quit over the few morons.

[QUOTE=MissMurno69;2363161]See what us women have to deal with? . Tell her don't give up its plenty of non morons out here, to quit over the few morons.[/QUOTE]Sorry MissMurno and C3 but why is that a big deal? As a provider you should be prepare for times when customers ask for more than your service actually provides. I think is okay for a client to ask for more as well as it is right for a SP to set limits, at the end of the day is just a question. Sometimes we tend to forget how the market works.

[QUOTE=Petroff;2363569]Sorry MissMurno and C3 but why is that a big deal? As a provider you should be prepare for times when customers ask for more than your service actually provides. I think is okay for a client to ask for more as well as it is right for a SP to set limits, at the end of the day is just a question. Sometimes we tend to forget how the market works.[/QUOTE]Some are not just asking. They are pushy. At times blackmailing with threats of poor reviews. Good thing is they never have to see those douche bags ever again once they reveal themselves. For me I look at it as the girl is the boss. She calls the shots, I'm just the lucky guy she accepted to see. And we scoff that some have mgmt. If we were all completely respectable to these wonderful ladies we would not have to worry about half this shit. Treat them like you love them. Hopefully they can build a client base of good guys that they like to see and not have to worry about the clowns. Jmho.

I just read this more clearly and just wanted to state that yes I do work with a fellow provider some of y'all may no quite well Ms. Rachael White now Rachael23! We both take are job serious number 1 safety I no she's safe she no's I'm safe wwe live to enjoy another day when we have a member come visit us the other is never around never rushing always waiting patiently for our members to have a positive dream without a rrush! Number 2 funhobby69 the man on the other wall I have no clue what that is about the only men in my life are you fellow members and my daddy but he stays far away from what I do! I always want to feel safe and for you fellow members to feel safe as well! Take care hope not to have ran you off! Ashley23.

[QUOTE=FunHobby69;2359254]I debated coming into the "trap" but being a catalyst for the recent white knight discussion I thought I would throw out the question: what is a white knight? I provided a very positive and what I believe a well written articulate review of Ashley23. Had a return dream last night, also positive, and now concerned if I post a second review, I will be labeled a white knight because of other contemporaneous negative reviews. I don't believe that our community should "chill" the desire to publish short fictional stories. But I don't want to stir a Dallas redo and have some post count ***** eunuchs with zero to contribute on the bread and butter threads chime in and attack me. The fact is our canvases can sometimes be rather young, immature, and your mileage may vary on a day to day basis. Sometimes it's not them, it's the author; his appearance, attitude, expectation level, and his lens he sees thru on whether this hobby is a right or privilege. A SM previously provided good tips on how to treat the lady which I have followed to a tee; particularly asking them what they like also. Quite simple, treat them like you would a girl you have been dating and now how the opportunity to jump into the sack for the first time and you will increase your chances of being rewarded in return. And so, if I post a second positive review, particularly after the prior discussion, am I a white knight?

In rainbowdash3's defense, I always ask the lady if I can post a review (if it was a relaxing dream) and yes request she responds so I can establish some credibility which increases my hobbying opportunities. But I would never barter over a review in return and skew it for an acknowledgment as that constitutes treason to our fellow comrades in the foxhole IMHO. Impacts your credibility rainbowdash3. And on that subject, you indicated when you left the room, you noticed a girl sitting on the stairs giving you the evil eye. WTF, the cheap ass hotel has an internal hallway. There are no stairs visibility present except the standard emergency escape type behind a steel firewall door. So I don't know how you got eyeballed when leaving or how you could observe Ashley23 talking to this girl unless your loitering in an internal stairwell which is pretty awkward and not in your account, or how you know they saw your car as it would require them to leave the building entirely and step out into the parking lot. However, when I left the room, there was a white guy mid twenties or younger leaning against opposite hallway wall no more than 3 feet from me that gave new meaning to the term " mean mugging me". Scared the shit out of me. I likely will not return unless I get a satisfactory explanation.

On C3's take on capitalism, worked for me. First time painting on the canvas, the cost of supplies was 120 for the smaller canvas which I note was the box store's advertised price with the full canvas advertised at 160. For my second dream, the full canvas price was on sale. So thank you rainbowdash3. In both my painting of a story, there was no hidden fee, taxes. Love supply and demand of the free market.

So, I ask again, what is a white knight?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ashley23;2363763]I just read this more clearly and just wanted to state that yes I do work with a fellow provider some of y'all may no quite well Ms. Rachael White now Rachael23! We both take are job serious number 1 safety I no she's safe she no's I'm safe wwe live to enjoy another day when we have a member come visit us the other is never around never rushing always waiting patiently for our members to have a positive dream without a rrush! Number 2 funhobby69 the man on the other wall I have no clue what that is about the only men in my life are you fellow members and my daddy but he stays far away from what I do! I always want to feel safe and for you fellow members to feel safe as well! Take care hope not to have ran you off! Ashley23.[/QUOTE]Ashley it's Rachel21 LOL your 23.

ISO a Sub to do some house cleaning. Male or female.

Love To ALL.

Xo Ashley.

Play Safe BUT Always Play HARD.

Pet,

Look at Michele's ad. It states clearly that she doesn't discount and don't ask. Well, some morons still ask. Why?

But look at it from a hypothetical SP's perspective. And this is actually part of a conversation I had the other day with a SP. She asked a legitimate question. "If you beat me up on price what kind of service do you think I am going to provide?" Think about it. This hypothetical SP has many, many good reviews. You talk her down on price. She gives you lack luster service and kicks you out early. What are you going to do? Write a bad review? Do you think anyone will believe you? Sorry, dude, you are just fucked all around.

Remember, we live in a world where 50% of the populations controls 100% of the pussy.

So, yeah, continue to piss off the ladies. Continue to think you are somehow a super stud when you are really a pathetic looser that hires ****** to fuck you. Keep pressing for the discount or some service you want that isn't on the menu. Great strategy.

Or, as my daddy taught me, don't get bigger than your raisin'. There is some really good talent out there that is cheap. These gals may not be legends or drop dead gorgeous, but the service is there for you at your price point. One day when you are worth something maybe you can step up and date a legend.

Just sayin'.

C3.

[QUOTE=Petroff;2363569]Sorry MissMurno and C3 but why is that a big deal? As a provider you should be prepare for times when customers ask for more than your service actually provides. I think is okay for a client to ask for more as well as it is right for a SP to set limits, at the end of the day is just a question. Sometimes we tend to forget how the market works.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Petroff;2363569]Sorry MissMurno and C3 but why is that a big deal? As a provider you should be prepare for times when customers ask for more than your service actually provides. I think is okay for a client to ask for more as well as it is right for a SP to set limits, at the end of the day is just a question. Sometimes we tend to forget how the market works.[/QUOTE]With asking, because you never know until you ask. But. To keep on and on and on when the SP has already given you the answer IS a big deal plus it isn't the way to get in between her legs. Again BUT. When someone calls and texts over and over again for months without actually pulling the trigger is a time waster as well as a game player. MIssMurno stated some of the guys text and call for months and even YEARS without setting an appointment! I'm pretty sure that's why she asked them not to text her anymore. Personally I don't blame her, hell I would have politely nipped that in the bud a loooong time ago. We have lives outside of the hobby guys we don't have time for games. We are not Dave & Busters. Just Say'and.

Love To ALL.

Xo Ashley.

Play Safe BUT Always Play HARD.

I know the ladies will jump in here and kick my ass but what you describe isn't my experience (in S America anyway, I don't monger in Sex Prison), Chicks have always performed better when I showed strength and wouldn't pay a crazy number. There is this weird thing about most people. What they think they want, or are responsive to, actually usually isn't. Chicks (here and in real life) always say they want to know respectful gentlemen, yet the choices they make in their personal lives rarely reflect that.

Guys are just as guilty, we all say we want a sweet nympho that owns a liquor store yet we end up with castrating man haters.

Just my experience, chicks with esteem issues always give better service, then when you are really nice to them thinking they will respond to that generally brings the opposite result and they treat you with contempt. In this particular world where most of us are a little broken, it seems to be the rule more often.

Ladies before you jump in and flame me, I don't advocate being abusive, just harder to please than most of you. I would like finding a string of chicks that I could pay a fair price, develop a good working relationship, and enjoy a longer term mutually beneficial relationship but they don't allow that. From time to time if I'm not a asshole they always try to take advantage.

Just me the guy writing, not the admin.

A2.

[QUOTE=Camera3;2364359]Pet,

Look at Michele's ad. It states clearly that she doesn't discount and don't ask. Well, some morons still ask. Why?

But look at it from a hypothetical SP's perspective. And this is actually part of a conversation I had the other day with a SP. She asked a legitimate question. "If you beat me up on price what kind of service do you think I am going to provide?" Think about it. This hypothetical SP has many, many good reviews. You talk her down on price. She gives you lack luster service and kicks you out early. What are you going to do? Write a bad review? Do you think anyone will believe you? Sorry, dude, you are just fucked all around.

Remember, we live in a world where 50% of the populations controls 100% of the pussy.

So, yeah, continue to piss off the ladies. Continue to think you are somehow a super stud when you are really a pathetic looser that hires ****** to fuck you. Keep pressing for the discount or some service you want that isn't on the menu. Great strategy.

Or, as my daddy taught me, don't get bigger than your raisin'. There is some really good talent out there that is cheap. These gals may not be legends or drop dead gorgeous, but the service is there for you at your price point. One day when you are worth something maybe you can step up and date a legend.

Just sayin'.

C3.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JoyToy;2364441]With asking, because you never know until you ask. But. To keep on and on and on when the SP has already given you the answer IS a big deal plus it isn't the way to get in between her legs. Again BUT. When someone calls and texts over and over again for months without actually pulling the trigger is a time waster as well as a game player. MIssMurno stated some of the guys text and call for months and even YEARS without setting an appointment! I'm pretty sure that's why she asked them not to text her anymore. Personally I don't blame her, hell I would have politely nipped that in the bud a loooong time ago. We have lives outside of the hobby guys we don't have time for games. We are not Dave & Busters. Just Say'and.

Love To ALL.

Xo Ashley.

Play Safe BUT Always Play HARD.[/QUOTE]It says Joytoy as username but signed by me. I was over at Joys house last night and we were on her laptop looking through the forum (sometimes having a good laugh) and stumbled upon Mr Petroffs post. So we added our 4 cents.

Love To ALL.

Xo Ashley.

Play Safe BUT Always Play HARD.

[QUOTE=Admin2;2364710]I know the ladies will jump in here and kick my ass but what you describe isn't my experience (in S America anyway, I don't monger in Sex Prison), Chicks have always performed better when I showed strength and wouldn't pay a crazy number. There is this weird thing about most people. What they think they want, or are responsive to, actually usually isn't. Chicks (here and in real life) always say they want to know respectful gentlemen, yet the choices they make in their personal lives rarely reflect that.

Guys are just as guilty, we all say we want a sweet nympho that owns a liquor store yet we end up with castrating man haters.

Just my experience, chicks with esteem issues always give better service, then when you are really nice to them thinking they will respond to that generally brings the opposite result and they treat you with contempt. In this particular world where most of us are a little broken, it seems to be the rule more often.

Ladies before you jump in and flame me, I don't advocate being abusive, just harder to please than most of you. I would like finding a string of chicks that I could pay a fair price, develop a good working relationship, and enjoy a longer term mutually beneficial relationship but they don't allow that. From time to time if I'm not a asshole they always try to take advantage.

Just me the guy writing, not the admin.

A2.[/QUOTE]I would say most of the time. Rewarding me with some tremendous additional benefits from the providers. Tremendous.

I just tend to be a pretty easy guy to get along with, communicative, empathetic, I listen and that has worked well for me. I have dated quite a few of the active ladies here. I would really be interested in knowing. Ladies who I have loved, how is my style?

C3.

[QUOTE=Admin2;2364710]I know the ladies will jump in here and kick my ass but what you describe isn't my experience (in S America anyway, I don't monger in Sex Prison), Chicks have always performed better when I showed strength and wouldn't pay a crazy number. There is this weird thing about most people. What they think they want, or are responsive to, actually usually isn't. Chicks (here and in real life) always say they want to know respectful gentlemen, yet the choices they make in their personal lives rarely reflect that.

Guys are just as guilty, we all say we want a sweet nympho that owns a liquor store yet we end up with castrating man haters.

Just my experience, chicks with esteem issues always give better service, then when you are really nice to them thinking they will respond to that generally brings the opposite result and they treat you with contempt. In this particular world where most of us are a little broken, it seems to be the rule more often.

Ladies before you jump in and flame me, I don't advocate being abusive, just harder to please than most of you. I would like finding a string of chicks that I could pay a fair price, develop a good working relationship, and enjoy a longer term mutually beneficial relationship but they don't allow that. From time to time if I'm not a asshole they always try to take advantage.

Just me the guy writing, not the admin.

A2.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MissMurno69;2362811]For those guys that have been texting me for year's and months and we never hooked up. You have to understand my point it's frustrating and I take it as you are bull shittin around. Please don't try and ruin my business, and say I have attitude because I simply ask you not to contact me!! Be professional and I wouldn't ask you not to contact me anymore. I been doing this six years and I take it as bull shit when you do that.[/QUOTE]I fully respect and appreciate the providers right to choose whom they deal with. I've had experience in the pay for play world for 20 years or so, and have been on both sides of this coin. I've had providers that I have longed to see that I have never managed to hook up with. Some are like the mythical unicorn that no matter what I try it just simply will never work out. If it is a case that she does not want to see me for some personal choice than please say so. I would like to direct my attention to somebody that is interested. However if said provider is just stringing me along to spare my feelings, or avoid confrontation, well then that just sucks. I don't like to waste my time anymore than the next person.

In defense of the other side, I have had providers that have misunderstood the relationship or grown too familiar causing them to bother me for dates, money, a ride, etc. To the point that I would have to end the relationship. It's always funny to me how a business relationship can move into the girlfriend zone when the money becomes consistent. My problem with that is, I am only paying to fuck, I have no desire to take you to the store, or hear about your problems.

On a somewhat related topic, for many years I have had the idea of creating a "john" driven backwards BP or Facebook type of site. A place where all those interested in the company of a provider can post their profile and interests, the amount they wish to contribute for the specific activities they desire, etc. The providers can join, shop around, see what tickles their fancy and contact the men to set the dates. Before you poo poo on the idea, please understand I'm speaking in generalities, and fully understand their are many logistical hurdles to overcome. In principal though I think it would be interesting. The idea originally popped up in my head from a very sexy girl that has never worked in this industry who told me she wishes she knew every know and then if a hot guy would give her money, because she would probably fuck him anyway. Would such a site bring out a flurry of UTR talent?

Of course the downside to such a site would be pointing the lens back at ourselves. I wonder how we as clients would all fair in the reverse situation. Would we appreciate reviews from providers commenting on hygiene, genital size and stamina? I'm not sure how much I would enjoy reading: "go see WinterparkFL, he has a tiny dick, but don't worry he is clean and will be finished in three minutes anyway. ".

[QUOTE=Rachel21;2364306]Ashley it's Rachel21 LOL your 23.[/QUOTE]LOL I thought so after I wrote it but I couldn't ask cause you were busy so I thought just maybe!

[QUOTE=Admin2;2364710]I know the ladies will jump in here and kick my ass but what you describe isn't my experience (in S America anyway, I don't monger in Sex Prison), Chicks have always performed better when I showed strength and wouldn't pay a crazy number. There is this weird thing about most people. What they think they want, or are responsive to, actually usually isn't. Chicks (here and in real life) always say they want to know respectful gentlemen, yet the choices they make in their personal lives rarely reflect that.

Guys are just as guilty, we all say we want a sweet nympho that owns a liquor store yet we end up with castrating man haters.

Just my experience, chicks with esteem issues always give better service, then when you are really nice to them thinking they will respond to that generally brings the opposite result and they treat you with contempt. In this particular world where most of us are a little broken, it seems to be the rule more often.

Ladies before you jump in and flame me, I don't advocate being abusive, just harder to please than most of you. I would like finding a string of chicks that I could pay a fair price, develop a good working relationship, and enjoy a longer term mutually beneficial relationship but they don't allow that. From time to time if I'm not a asshole they always try to take advantage.

Just me the guy writing, not the admin.

A2.[/QUOTE]There is much truth in what you said here, but the same could be said about C3. There are all kinds of ladies out there and that is why we continue to search.

[QUOTE=Camera3;2364359]Pet,

Look at Michele's ad. It states clearly that she doesn't discount and don't ask. Well, some morons still ask. Why?

But look at it from a hypothetical SP's perspective. And this is actually part of a conversation I had the other day with a SP. She asked a legitimate question. "If you beat me up on price what kind of service do you think I am going to provide?" Think about it. This hypothetical SP has many, many good reviews. You talk her down on price. She gives you lack luster service and kicks you out early. What are you going to do? Write a bad review? Do you think anyone will believe you? Sorry, dude, you are just fucked all around.

Remember, we live in a world where 50% of the populations controls 100% of the pussy.

So, yeah, continue to piss off the ladies. Continue to think you are somehow a super stud when you are really a pathetic looser that hires ****** to fuck you. Keep pressing for the discount or some service you want that isn't on the menu. Great strategy.

Or, as my daddy taught me, don't get bigger than your raisin'. There is some really good talent out there that is cheap. These gals may not be legends or drop dead gorgeous, but the service is there for you at your price point. One day when you are worth something maybe you can step up and date a legend.

Just sayin'.

C3.[/QUOTE]Where is a provider going to go where some percentage of hobbyists are not going to try to push the envelope, be nasty or show some type of negative behavior? You mean to tell me that we here in Orlando are the worst of the bunch compared to any other city in the good old US of A? In any type of business, you're always going to find good customers and some that you want to throw out the door. That's just human nature. No disrespect intended, just my 2 cents.

I will probably regret posting this, but I'm curious what everyone else thinks. This board is the only place to really post bullshit like this, so apologies for ruining the flow of things A2 / everyone else.

If you were seeing an escort but then the escort told you that she wanted to be friends and not do the provider / client relationship any more, what would you do?

I've asked a similar question on another message board with a similar style (and virtually no other extra details or info), and the answers I've received were:

- Bro, she's scoping you out to rob you.

- LOL you got friendzoned.

- She's testing you for a real relationship (weirdest answer I've received!

- Something that happened during a later meeting caused the escort to reevaluate her meet ups with you.
- A bullshit answer of saying "No I don't want to see you any more" (although, why wouldn't you just say it to begin with?)

Just wondering if that covers all of it, or if there's any other situations. It is kind of interesting to see how people think though . . .

[QUOTE=RainbowDash3;2365330]I will probably regret posting this, but I'm curious what everyone else thinks. This board is the only place to really post bullshit like this, so apologies for ruining the flow of things A2 / everyone else.

If you were seeing an escort but then the escort told you that she wanted to be friends and not do the provider / client relationship any more, what would you do?

I've asked a similar question on another message board with a similar style (and virtually no other extra details or info), and the answers I've received were:

- Bro, she's scoping you out to rob you.

- LOL you got friendzoned.

- She's testing you for a real relationship (weirdest answer I've received!

- Something that happened during a later meeting caused the escort to reevaluate her meet ups with you.
- A bullshit answer of saying "No I don't want to see you any more" (although, why wouldn't you just say it to begin with?)

Just wondering if that covers all of it, or if there's any other situations. It is kind of interesting to see how people think though . . .[/QUOTE]If so delete all evidence of this. LOL.

This could be a polite way of the the provider saying she thinks your a douche...not saying u r one..just hypothetical

[QUOTE=PharmaGuy;2365336]If so delete all evidence of this. LOL.

This could be a polite way of the the provider saying she thinks your a douche...not saying u r one..just hypothetical[/QUOTE]Just a hypothetical. I was reading up on reddit and thought of this. Also, when you quote something I don't think that gets deleted, so too late for me anyways even if I did want to delete the message!


[edit]: if anyone wants to reply but stay somewhat anonymous, you can PM me. Will not disclose names. My word is as good as my bond, to partially quote Cervantes.

[QUOTE=Camera3;2364359]Pet,

Look at Michele's ad. It states clearly that she doesn't discount and don't ask. Well, some morons still ask. Why?

But look at it from a hypothetical SP's perspective. And this is actually part of a conversation I had the other day with a SP. She asked a legitimate question. "If you beat me up on price what kind of service do you think I am going to provide?" Think about it. This hypothetical SP has many, many good reviews. You talk her down on price. She gives you lack luster service and kicks you out early. What are you going to do? Write a bad review? Do you think anyone will believe you? Sorry, dude, you are just fucked all around.

Remember, we live in a world where 50% of the populations controls 100% of the pussy.

So, yeah, continue to piss off the ladies. Continue to think you are somehow a super stud when you are really a pathetic looser that hires ****** to fuck you. Keep pressing for the discount or some service you want that isn't on the menu. Great strategy.

Or, as my daddy taught me, don't get bigger than your raisin'. There is some really good talent out there that is cheap. These gals may not be legends or drop dead gorgeous, but the service is there for you at your price point. One day when you are worth something maybe you can step up and date a legend.

Just sayin'.

C3.[/QUOTE]C3,

You know I respect you so I'm just playing the devils advocate here. Now I never ask for a discount nor have I ever threatened anyone with a bad review. Nor have I ever try to push anyone into a service they don't provide. Actually I never ask for anything and let the girl go where they want to go with the encounter. And I can assure you I don't think I'm a stud when seeing a provider because any good ball with the correct change can see the same girl. Now I've had providers stalk me, give me free sessions, ask me on dates, text me like a lunatic, ask me for all kinds of things outside of the initial scope of our relationship. So this goes both ways. And 100% of the pussy belongs to 50% of the population but on the flip side of that coin 50% of the population makes up 100% of their customers. So we are ever again faced of in a old school Tijuana BF.

Lord Casanova.

You may be over thinking it. I think I might consider just going to the next lady on my bucket list is a real good way to move on down the road.

C3.

[QUOTE=RainbowDash3;2365330]
If you were seeing an escort but then the escort told you that she wanted to be friends and not do the provider / client relationship any more, what would you do?[/QUOTE]

Since we seem to be on this subject, I wanted to make a comment.

A man sits down at a bar next to a beautiful blond and starts talking to her.

"Excuse me Miss, would you be willing to have sex with me if I gave you a million dollars in cash?

She replies, "why yes, I most certainly would; if you gave it to me up front.

He says, "then would you have sex with me for ten dollars?

She says, "hell no! What kind of a girl do you think I am?"

He replies, "we've already determined what type of a girl you are. Now we're just negotiatiating price."

In the end, it's simply a business transaction. All of us need to remember that. Ladies, if a client asks you for a discount, you have only three decisions to make:

1. Accept the offer.

2. Decline the offer.

3. Make a counter offer.

That's pretty much it. There's no need to feel insulted. There's no need to be mad or hurt. There's certainly no need to accept the offer and reduce your service level. There's no need for any of that. Choose one of the three options and take it from there.

I also find it odd that some of the guys that say that they would never, ever ask a BP girl for a discount, have no problems in negotiating down a price that a SW gives them. In fact, bargaining down SW's is normal operating procedure. These are also the same girls that start out asking about one third what a BP girl asks for the same services. But yet, there seems to be a huge difference between asking a BP girl for a discount versus asking a SW for a reduced rate. Why is this so dramatically different with so many mongers?

I kind of have to agree with A2's assessment on all of this. While I always advocate treating girls with respect. I also won't allow myself to be taken advantage of either. Who knows? The reduced roses that you give a girl might just be exactly what she needed to keep her electrictity from being cut off, or keep her car from being repo'd, give her the extra she needed to pay her rent, buy food, etc. Ladies remember, some roses is always better than getting no roses.

That's my take on the subject. I guess the only thing for me to do now is wait for the inevitable Swaganna's barbed rebuttal post!

[QUOTE=RainbowDash3;2365330]
If you were seeing an escort but then the escort told you that she wanted to be friends and not do the provider / client relationship any more, what would you do?

[/QUOTE]Your first six words can give you an idea of where the problem lies. You are seeing an escort, like in going out on dates and getting to know each other. Well, I think that she might be a decent person that wants to prevent her customer from confusing business with infatuation before he starts asking for an exclusive relationship. Like C3 wrote: move to the next.

[QUOTE=Vino7373;2365532]Ladies, if a client asks you for a discount, you have only three decisions to make:

1. Accept the offer.

2. Decline the offer.

3. Make a counter offer.
[/QUOTE]If only life were that easy. If only!

[QUOTE=Petroff;2365542]Your first six words can give you an idea of where the problem lies. You are seeing an escort, like in going out on dates and getting to know each other. Well, I think that she might be a decent person that wants to prevent her customer from confusing business with infatuation before he starts asking for an exclusive relationship. Like C3 wrote: move to the next.[/QUOTE]This has been one of the more reasonable, thought out, and well put answers I have received from the internet. Which, if you've been on the caustic part of the internet, is refreshing to read.

[QUOTE=Vino7373;2365532]Since we seem to be on this subject, I wanted to make a comment.

A man sits down at a bar next to a beautiful blond and starts talking to her.

"Excuse me Miss, would you be willing to have sex with me if I gave you a million dollars in cash?

She replies, "why yes, I most certainly would; if you gave it to me up front.

He says, "then would you have sex with me for ten dollars?

She says, "hell no! What kind of a girl do you think I am?"

He replies, "we've already determined what type of a girl you are. Now we're just negotiatiating price."

In the end, it's simply a business transaction. All of us need to remember that. Ladies, if a client asks you for a discount, you have only three decisions to make:

1. Accept the offer.

2. Decline the offer.

3. Make a counter offer.

That's pretty much it. There's no need to feel insulted. There's no need to be mad or hurt. There's certainly no need to accept the offer and reduce your service level. There's no need for any of that. Choose one of the three options and take it from there.

I also find it odd that some of the guys that say that they would never, ever ask a BP girl for a discount, have no problems in negotiating down a price that a SW gives them. In fact, bargaining down SW's is normal operating procedure. These are also the same girls that start out asking about one third what a BP girl asks for the same services. But yet, there seems to be a huge difference between asking a BP girl for a discount versus asking a SW for a reduced rate. Why is this so dramatically different with so many mongers?

I kind of have to agree with A2's assessment on all of this. While I always advocate treating girls with respect. I also won't allow myself to be taken advantage of either. Who knows? The reduced roses that you give a girl might just be exactly what she needed to keep her electrictity from being cut off, or keep her car from being repo'd, give her the extra she needed to pay her rent, buy food, etc. Ladies remember, some roses is always better than getting no roses.

That's my take on the subject. I guess the only thing for me to do now is wait for the inevitable Swaganna's barbed rebuttal post![/QUOTE]I almost always negotiate. I know some girls really hate it but I just can't stop now. A certain provider taught me a few tricks about how to deal with providers and I just can't turn it off now. Maybe I should pay her a visit and show her what I learned since we last played together.