Massage Parlor Reports

Hello Gents!

I had not been to an AMP since DC shut down; it had been too long. I was planning a trip to Philly overnight to hit up two AMPs since I hear they have an active scene. I took a look on the board on a whim to see what was happening in the area and was surprised read good things about Golden. Hmmm, 20 minutes away or 2.5 hours away. I decided to give it a shot. Seemed like a sketchy part of town but ample parking so I went in anyway. There was actually a dump truck parked out front when I drove past the place looking for it. It pulled out as I pulled in. Ran into a guy on the stairs; we grunted at each other in passing. Best I could tell, I had the place mostly to myself.

Mamasan let me in and guided me to room number 5. Therapist was Lily. 5'8", classic looks, lean and natural body. Chest was a "B" headed toward "C", I'd guess mid-thirties. She said she had been around for 2 days.

Standard routine based on past comments. .7 entry fee. Good TS followed by some Sauna time (ESPN, Washingtonian, People and some other magazine were 4 ish years old so take something to read) Then back to the room for a massage. Ok massage and good small talk. Nothing to write home about but she was very pleasant to be with.

Asked if I wanted anything else; I said I want it all. Offered $.2 and she said $.4. Did not haggle more as that seemed ballpark and I did not want ruin her good mood. She was very accommodating post massage and nothing out of the ordinary was denied. Warm wash cloth wipe down and she helped me dress. All in all, a good time and worth seeing again.

There were two another girl there. Did not get either names but one was 5'5 ish with a solid natural 'D' (based on her body type). Very round all over and I'd guess late 20's. Seemed nice enough if that is what you like. Second lady looked 5'6 ish from the back and a figure somewhere between Lily and Miss Natural 'D'. Did not see her face so no guess on her age. She looked good from the back.

Stay safe!

I was a very happy camper visiting here last year, when the tip was over $ it was for a nice time with someone who was being good within whatever limits she may have had. Two times this year, and I have drawn someone (Suzi this time, maybe last time too) who is aggressive about tip asking $.6 but not willing to provide even a good standard $ experience. I had a nice run at this place, but now BS just stands for what is usually does. Time to start looking for new place.

[QUOTE=TedStrykker;2028850]I know there was recent talk on one of the forums about house pricing, twixt northern MD spas and southern. But are tips increasing?

It took me a while to rtff but I found a place that has services comparable to, but so far not quite as special as my old favorite, the hospital in towson.

Unfortunately, after a few visits it appears that somehow the tip requested is $.40. I've negotiated and paid $.2 but under protest.

Is this the new standard?

Should I turn north again?

Should I just walk out?

If more detail is required, hit me up.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bt2123;2040790]Went to this place last night. It's about 15 minutes further away from me, but reviewed well, seemed cheaper than other places, and I was frankly put off by my last stop at Golden. Boy am I glad I went.

Got a petite masseuse, looked to be early to mid 30's (I think. Hard to tell). Very friendly. I already liked the ambience of this place better than other places I've visited recently. Much more relaxing feel. Masseuse's name was Kay. Paid for an hour, decided to do the TS. Only thing I regret. The TS room is cold, so once the warmth of the water wears off, I'm concentrating too hard on not shivering to enjoy things. I got to remember to start passing on that.

A couple quick minutes in the sauna to warm up and back to the room. I lay down, no drape. Kay climbs right up and straddles over me to do a pretty decent massage. After a decent, hard massage, she climbs down does the light touch thing for a bit and then the flip. Asks what I want, agree to a price and we get going. Awesome CBJ with some extra action down there. Some mosh and doggy. She's getting into it right through the finish. She was definitely more into participating than other masseuses I've had in the area. Is that the standard for The girls there, or is this a case of YMMV? If the former, I may find my gas bill going up from the extra drive!

In the end .6 + $.4 for tip. Comes out about 10-30 cheaper than golden depending on how good you are at negotiating. Quality of service much better in my opinion.

Have a safe weekend all.[/QUOTE]So are you saying $1.0 total? Because I thought it would be at least $1.7 for what you mentioned. 10-30 cheaper would be $1.6 to 1.4.

I've read a few reports now that are stating that the massage girls are now asking for $130-140 instead of $100 as their tip before they even start service on the hobbyist. If the guy refuses to pay that amount, then the girl gives a lousy massage, with a bad attitude and refuses to let him touch her. When his time is over, the girl shoos him out the door. No HE. I have heard of this happening at least three different spas. These are spas that I refuse to go to.

Some guys may argue but I believe that $100 is fair enough. Let me break down the massage "hour" for you. Your massage hour starts when you give the girl the money. You then go to the TS for ten minutes and maybe to the sauna,(if they have one), for ten minutes. That is twenty minutes. When you return to the room they dry you off and start your massage. Some girls massage for ten minutes on your stomach, others girls may massage for fifteen minutes. On the flip, some girls will massage five minutes, other girls will do ten minutes of massage. Then it is negotiation time. It may take up to five minutes if the girl is insisting on more money than the standard. Forty minutes have now elapsed. You now have ten to fifteen minutes (they always cut you short of time), to do the deed. After you get dressed and walk to your car, you look at your phone or watch and you were in and out of the spa in fifty minutes.

Now, at the beginning of this report, I stated that the girls want between $130-140 as payment for their services. That $130-140 for ten minutes of fun. I'm sorry girls but I don't think so. I think $100 is more than enough compensation for the ten minutes that you have given us. The girls at Brite Spa / Silk and other places that are rub and tug should be very ashamed of themselves for asking $130-140 for a HE. Very ashamed. You men that are paying $130-140 for a HE and the $70 house fee with it should STOP it. Just stop it. The girls are ripping you off.

Propilot-Always check your six.

I (and everyone else) was paying $60 house + $100 tip for 'everything' in 1994.

The price of a Big Mac in 1994 was $2.30.

The price of a Big Mac in 2014 is $4.62.

BLS ( [URL]http://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm[/URL]) shows $100:1994 = $158:2014, but that is heavily politicized to yield the lowest possible rate of change.

Given that math, $200 isn't unreasonable, and anything less than $160 should be considered a bargain.

A Big Mac at $4.62 or a Five Guys burger at $5.89? I don't believe the old saying "You get what you pay for." because it is inaccurate. The more accurate statement is "You don't get what you didn't pay for." You want better quality, it is going to cost a bit more.

RE: expensive HE: the few places I know that are asking and getting $130 for HE are providing a HE experience that is far better than the "lay back and think of England" versions of 'everything' I get for $100.

RE: negotiation takes 5 minutes? Only if you're cheap. If you know the going rate, and put it on the counter while you're undressing, then there isn't any negotiation. And knowing up front they're getting paid the ladies are generally far more pleasant, and frequently enthusiastic, and usually more responsive (if you want more / better massage tonight she'll do it; if you want to mostly skip the massage and get down to fun, she'll do that to. Happy workers do a better job, and no one is happy after being told they "aren't worth" the fees they are asking. If you spend 5 minutes haggling the girl, no wonder she treats you poorly. If you pay ahead and get poor service anyway, next visit don't ask for someone by name, ask for NOT that girl. Mamasan and the girl will get the message. Or just drop that place from your rotation for a few months, our choices aren't what they where a few years ago, but one has enough options blacklisting one place for a while isn't going to be a big hardship.

Nobody wants to _feel_ like they're being ripped of, much less actually being ripped off. But rip-offs happen both directions: paying more than a service is worth, and getting underpaid for services rendered.

I usually give at least .2 more than the standard. It's just an automatic for me. Go ahead and flame me if you want (I'll wait...haha).

My feeling is this: I believe that we are getting a good deal here. Almost 20 years in this area, and I have seen these places come and go, including some real gems. Guys, remember where you'd be if these establishments were gone. Downtown has been gone for about a decade and we STILL reminisce about it--haha.

The place I go to (same as you guys) I am always given a decent massage and whatever else. Umma recognizes me to the point where I no longer have to ask for what I want, nor negotiate for what I want, and I never get asked beforehand for a tip (which I'd consider an insult). Umma takes care of all that for me before the girl comes in. Sometimes I am allowed to roam a little more than usual. It's worth it for another .2.

If I get any special treatment outside of that, then I may tip another .2 or .4, but I make a point of saying to the provider "I'm giving you this "extra" because you were very good to me," or "thanks for letting me do "this"..." or "you really gave me a really good massage today." Then I ask her name again and promise to see her specifically (you should do this anyway, so you have a reference for next time). The girl now knows what she needs to do if she wants the same tip next time--her choice.

Easy little things like this make a huge difference for the next time you show up. They remember you, not only as someone who won't start trouble, but as someone who will be coming with extra funds to give if they get treated right. You know what else? When I don't tip the extra .2 or .4, that's a clear message to the girl / umma that I didn't like girl's service; there is no complaining, or pissing and moaning. Umma will correct this as well, and in the rare case that she doesn't, then I take a break from the place.

I should mention here that I only go to one place. I go enough times to build my rep with umma. I don't shop around due to lack of selection. It's an insult to look at their selection and then leave. Yeah, they'll get the message, but it won't translate to YOU getting better service. They remember this as well. Again, I don't have to because umma's not going to give me a dud. And if she tries a new girl on me and she's a dud, well...(see paragraph above). That happened with Yuko, and if you recall she wasn't around for very long.

My point here is: Your goal is to 1). Stand out to be (a little) different than the others, and 2). "talk" to them without actually talking to them, and 3). Vary amounts of your tip so they can gauge what services you like / don't like.

Too many guys read these boards and go in with the attitude of "I'm going to get 'this' and it's ONLY going to cost me 'this' They want to pay the "regular" rate, but want to be treated "special". But remember, that price is the LEAST amount that you can pay to get those services.

When an AMP asks you up front how much you will tip, that should be a clear message to you that she thinks your BS won't be worth it for her in the end. It's usually the vibe that YOU set off. I NEVER want to give them that impression. Just like with a BP provider, they will read into everything that you do and don't do. Don't think that umma isn't saying to the girls: "Watch out, this guy's a cheap asshole who will try to finger you.".

But you keep going in with your regular tip. That will make it easy for the rest of us to stand out.

Rant that may not go anywhere. You have been warned.

Funny, I have not been on the boards for 6 years or so and I remember a guy on the DC boards (think his handle was cabdriver) ranting whenever someone payed $.20 for FS. He would tell people they should walk out and not pay. Nevermind $ had been the going rate for quite some time and a price hike was overdue. In 2005, non-MILF independents were 250 to 300 and $.6 total got you everything at a parlor. Now non-MILF independents are 350 to 400 and 200 to 220 gets you everything at a parlor. I have notices even the asian condo cat houses are looking for 260 now.

When evaluated against current market conditions, parlors are still a comparable bargin and appear to be fairly prices. I just went to Thailand and prices were near double what a paid 10 years ago and the quality has stayed the same. We have to face the facts. Pussy, like gas, food and all the other things we need to get by in this world, is getting more expensive. Its the price we pay for even slight economic growth.

The rich are getting richer, the poor are getting poorer and the middle is getting squeezed by stagnant wages and higher prices. Maybe that will lead to cheaper pussy in the future? Somehow I doubt it.

I agreed with Propilot, but I've got to admit the last 2 posts from (Utwogood & Thenocturnal) made good points. So much that now I feel bad about the standard tip that I gave CoCo from the new place near the lakes for a standard finish. The TS looked clean & new. The entire building felt warm on this cold night. Massage was more of a rub down, but she was very sweet with a pleasant attitude & now I feel she should of got more. I'll hook her up next week when I go back.

[QUOTE=Busternutter;2045357]So are you saying $1.0 total? Because I thought it would be at least $1.7 for what you mentioned. 10-30 cheaper would be $1.6 to 1.4.[/QUOTE]Sorry for any confusion. It was $$ total. .6 to the house. $.4 for the tip. Golden would have been .7 to the house and $.4 to $.6 for the tip, thus being 10-30 more expensive. For not as good service.

Hope that clears it up.

Stay safe.

I'll add my two cents here. If you want to keep the Korean parlors in business and if you want a good experience with a pretty girl, or even a nice girl who is not so pretty, you need to bow to the pressures of the market and up your tip to as much as $150 for FS at an AMP.

I know that many of the guys who patronize spas are (like me) probably middle class guys. This kind of money may impact our ability to indulge in the hobby as frequently as we would care to. But I'll take quality over quantity any day.

However I would also like to emphatically suggest you try the Chinese Apartment AMPs. They represent great (and I do mean great) value for money. The Chinese gals often speak worse English than the Korean gals. But they have often come here (to the U.S.) with the express purpose of making money by providing sexual services. They almost always have someone (children, siblings, parents) in China whom they need to support. So they are happy to get your $100 on top of the house fee. And the house fee is usually $60 vice $70 to $80 at the Korean joints.

So that means that you may be able to get out of a Chinese place for $160 (for FS) while a Korean establishment may cost you up to $250 give or take. There are differences in the amenities offered. One hour at a Korean place almost always comes with at least the offer of a shower, whether that be self-administered or a TS given by the practitioner. You can ask to use the shower at a Chinese AAMP. But since they are not set up for that, you may be taking a chance on the cleanliness of both shower and towels. Of course you can avoid the problem altogether by showering before going to the Chinese establishment.

I also think the Chinese are not as scrupulous about their own personal cleanliness as the Koreans. But this often means that the experience at a Chinese AAMP can be more of a GFE than you are likely to get at a traditional Korean AMP. For example, the Chinese may offer DFK while the Koreans will nearly never do it. You can expect DATY at both kinds of places. You may often receive BBBJ from Chinese and very rarely from Koreans. You can sometimes get BBFS at a Chinese place and never at a Korean one. If you do get it at a Chinese place, you will most likely have to pay extra for it.

LexLuther.

Tried the new place that lies between the former oasis and heaven locations.

Hard to find in the dark, unless you have x-ray vision and can see through the car roof, because once you're out of the car the sign is HUGE but is placed up really high.

In spite of many rooms, only one TS, and attendant seems reluctant for some reason, and not merely that it was in use and we needed to wait. Massage started before the shower, and continued after the shower.

Massage was well done, not 'just a rub'. The after was fairly limited. Roaming was allowed, and mildly encouraged with some moans and sighs, so I pushed it as far as I was allowed, and was allowed expose some skin for better access. Thereafter I found a distinct limit to this permissiveness, but it seemed an odd place to draw the line. Either I pushed harder / faster than she intended to allow, and drifted over her line when she applied the brakes, or 'something else?'. Net was a limited, near minimal menu, delivered without the flourish I've been finding north of the river.

As noted below I try not to be cheap with the ladies, but limited service means limited tip, but when I asked "Is that good", she said yes enthusiastically, and seemed happy when I matched the house fee less ten.

Nice facility. Similar furnishing to the defunct DS, but not quite as fancy. Doors not curtains, but no locks on the doors. The shelf held a spray bottle of alcohol, so that is a promising sign. Promising or not, I'm not sure I'll be back given the availability of several different flavors of 'sure thing' to the north and northwest.

I have no idea what they are going to do with that many rooms. If they ever really get that much business the daily traffic will be impossible to ignore / not notice and it'll be so obvious they'll get shut down by an army of cops, reporters and news helicopters.

Edit: fixed dang autocorrect, and since I was editing, elaborted a couple of points.

[QUOTE=LexLuther;2045722]I'll add my two cents here. If you want to keep the Korean parlors in business and if you want a good experience with a pretty girl, or even a nice girl who is not so pretty, you need to bow to the pressures of the market and up your tip to as much as $150 for FS at an AMP.

I know that many of the guys who patronize spas are (like me) probably middle class guys. This kind of money may impact our ability to indulge in the hobby as frequently as we would care to. But I'll take quality over quantity any day.

However I would also like to emphatically suggest you try the Chinese Apartment AMPs. They represent great (and I do mean great) value for money. The Chinese gals often speak worse English than the Korean gals. But they have often come here (to the U.S.) with the express purpose of making money by providing sexual services. They almost always have someone (children, siblings, parents) in China whom they need to support. So they are happy to get your $100 on top of the house fee. And the house fee is usually $60 vice $70 to $80 at the Korean joints.

So that means that you may be able to get out of a Chinese place for $160 (for FS) while a Korean establishment may cost you up to $250 give or take. There are differences in the amenities offered. One hour at a Korean place almost always comes with at least the offer of a shower, whether that be self-administered or a TS given by the practitioner. You can ask to use the shower at a Chinese AAMP. But since they are not set up for that, you may be taking a chance on the cleanliness of both shower and towels. Of course you can avoid the problem altogether by showering before going to the Chinese establishment.

I also think the Chinese are not as scrupulous about their own personal cleanliness as the Koreans. But this often means that the experience at a Chinese AAMP can be more of a GFE than you are likely to get at a traditional Korean AMP. For example, the Chinese may offer DFK while the Koreans will nearly never do it. You can expect DATY at both kinds of places. You may often receive BBBJ from Chinese and very rarely from Koreans. You can sometimes get BBFS at a Chinese place and never at a Korean one. If you do get it at a Chinese place, you will most likely have to pay extra for it.

LexLuther.[/QUOTE]Lex, clear out your damn inbox, I got news for you.

[QUOTE=GingerMan;2046056]Lex, clear out your damn inbox, I got news for you.[/QUOTE]I do believe the type of customer dictates the amount the gals will accept. If you are half way decent looking, in half way decent shape, and are totally clean the gals will accept $100 to suck and fuck. It is a pleasant break for them from some of the nasty mongers they see daily.

I went by TK in Greenbelt today for lunch but did not have the heart to go in. It's in a office building surrounded by professionals (should have looked at the map rather than just turning on the GPS). My spidey senses started tingling. I don't know how it is in PGC but I would think a place like that in a 'civilized" professional setting would be a LEO magnet. Of course, if you get a bug, at least a doctor is right up stairs.

[QUOTE=Thenocturnal;2045982]

Nice facility. Similar furnishing to the defunct DS, but not quite as fancy. Doors not curtains, but no locks on the doors. The shelf held a spray bottle of alcohol, so that is a promising sign. Promising or not, I'm not sure I'll be back given the availability of several different flavors of 'sure thing' to the north and northwest.

I have no idea what they are going to do with that many rooms. If they ever really get that much business the daily traffic will be impossible to ignore / not notice and it'll be so obvious they'll get shut down by an army of cops, reporters and news helicopters.

Edit: fixed dang autocorrect, and since I was editing, elaborted a couple of points.[/QUOTE]Similar? How about exactly the same. Considering this is the exact same owner and management from DS and RL. The tables surely went from DS sometime prior to 12/31 to storage and in to LHT a few weeks ago.