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[QUOTE=SpaspaHunter;4046221]I'm tempted to ask for that now not that I would do it.
Isn't it awkward to ask for their papers?
Damn. Sounds like some really bad communication right there. How do you handle bad dates when that happens?[/QUOTE]Sounds like she crashed hard. Reminds me of one of my ex's manic episodes. You might dealt with bipolar on an off day? Who the fuck knows. I assume you got out pretty clean MrFrench?
[QUOTE=AQuietExit;4045358]Gave the assistant your line. No negative response but no details either. Guess I'll find out soon enough.[/QUOTE]At that point I would just flat out ask if BBFS CIP is on the menu (unless you want to see the star anyway even if it isn't). If you've already provided verification info and told them you're D / D free and have papers to prove it, they know you're not LE and they know you're serious.
Either they'll answer you candidly and tell you what's available and what isn't or they'll terminate the convo or they'll warn you about explicit talk and threaten to terminate the convo. Adonia at TLC will tell you to pick some providers and she'll find out for you.
Personally, I don't do guessing games or surprises and I've had LONG but polite arguments via email with some providers or their agents until they just flat out decided to speak with me over the phone.
Again, civility, kindness, decorum, and respect are key. Don't lose your cool. They understand that you're looking to make sure you're getting what you pay for and nobody wants misunderstandings in the bedroom. But you've got to be willing to spend a little time getting them comfortable with you before you can be straightforward about what you want. It varies with each provider and agent. Some are VERY straightforward like Chennin Blanc, Lacey Duvalle, Sexy Vanessa, and Kiki Daire. But they're also older and with the exception of Chennin Blanc charge A LOT.
Some who work through agents like Nicolette Shea (NO BBFS but BBBJ according to her assistant BTW as an FYI) aren't going to be so straightforward. You have to use your discretion, feel out the situation, and know that you can always take your money elsewhere.
Again just my experience.
[QUOTE=UncleThrax;4046562]At that point I would just flat out ask if BBFS CIP is on the menu (unless you want to see the star anyway even if it isn't). If you've already provided verification info and told them you're D / D free and have papers to prove it, they know you're not LE and they know you're serious.
Either they'll answer you candidly and tell you what's available and what isn't or they'll terminate the convo or they'll warn you about explicit talk and threaten to terminate the convo. Adonia at TLC will tell you to pick some providers and she'll find out for you.
Personally, I don't do guessing games or surprises and I've had LONG but polite arguments via email with some providers or their agents until they just flat out decided to speak with me over the phone.
Again, civility, kindness, decorum, and respect are key. Don't lose your cool. They understand that you're looking to make sure you're getting what you pay for and nobody wants misunderstandings in the bedroom. But you've got to be willing to spend a little time getting them comfortable with you before you can be straightforward about what you want..[/QUOTE]I appreciate the hell out ya for this. I misspoke when I said I got no negative response but no details either. I meant that I didn't get shutdown or blown up for asking but I was warned off of explicit details. I'm going to post up what I said so you.
This is how this part of the convo went.
[QUOTE]Me: I am looking to spend an hour for the first meeting. I'm D&D free and have recent tests to prove it. I would like to know if Shay has any rules or requirements I should be aware of before we meet? Thank you.
Shay's Agent:
We dont discuss any explicit details but she likes good hygiene if that helps. Holly😊
Me: That's never a problem with me. Anyway thank you so much. You've been very helpful and I look forward to seeing her when she comes to NYC. Have a good one.[/QUOTE]If I hear "no explicit talk" that's my cue to shut up and color. The way I figure it, this is one I'm TOFTTing anyway because I always wanted to see Shay Sights. She's one of my favorites. Worse comes to worse, I come correct, get told no BBFS, have my fun and get a reference out of it. Then I try my luck with someone else.
I appreciate the headsup with Nicolette Shea. Definitely skipping her. Hope Madison Scott has no issues with that.
Also Uncle Thrax, let me know what your take is on that snippet of email convo.
[QUOTE=AQuietExit;4046600]Also Uncle Thrax, let me know what your take is on that snippet of email convo.[/QUOTE]Ok, so that would have been a game ender for me.
I would have stated something like, "I understand and respect your boundaries. However I'm looking for some very particular services and if I can't be assured that they'll be offered prior to making the appointment then I'm not simply interested in going forward. It would be greatly appreciated if there was some way, perhaps via phone conversation or text, that we could resolve this. If not, I'll simply move along thank you for your time. ".
BUT, since you want to see Shay regardless and would apparently be fine with TOFT, what you did was fine.
I would suggest following some of Me Frenchs pointers. Bring your papers with you and try to see what she'll say.
Also, in my general experience with women, if you're gentle (unless they tell you that they specifically like rough play) and you go down on a woman well enough, for long enough, they'll forget their own names and will be begging for you to fill them up.
That goes with quite a few porn stars too. If you can afford it, that's why it's sometimes worth it to do a few hours. They're people just like anyone at the end of the day. In any service industry, you get what you give, whether you're a provider or a customer.
Whether she's a porn star, escort, SA girl, or a regular girl you met in your normal life, treat a woman right, she'll almost always reciprocate
Hope that helps.
[QUOTE=UncleThrax;4046997]Ok, so that would have been a game ender for me.
I would have stated something like, "I understand and respect your boundaries. However I'm looking for some very particular services and if I can't be assured that they'll be offered prior to making the appointment then I'm not simply interested in going forward. It would be greatly appreciated if there was some way, perhaps via phone conversation or text, that we could resolve this. If not, I'll simply move along thank you for your time. ".
BUT, since you want to see Shay regardless and would apparently be fine with TOFT, what you did was fine.
I would suggest following some of Me Frenchs pointers. Bring your papers with you and try to see what she'll say.
Also, in my general experience with women, if you're gentle (unless they tell you that they specifically like rough play) and you go down on a woman well enough, for long enough, they'll forget their own names and will be begging for you to fill them up.
That goes with quite a few porn stars too. If you can afford it, that's why it's sometimes worth it to do a few hours. They're people just like anyone at the end of the day. In any service industry, you get what you give, whether you're a provider or a customer.
Whether she's a porn star, escort, SA girl, or a regular girl you met in your normal life, treat a woman right, she'll almost always reciprocate
Hope that helps.[/QUOTE]That helps a great deal. Thank you so much.
[QUOTE=UncleThrax;4046997]Ok, so that would have been a game ender for me.
I would have stated something like, "I understand and respect your boundaries. However I'm looking for some very particular services and if I can't be assured that they'll be offered prior to making the appointment then I'm not simply interested in going forward. It would be greatly appreciated if there was some way, perhaps via phone conversation or text, that we could resolve this. If not, I'll simply move along thank you for your time. ".
BUT, since you want to see Shay regardless and would apparently be fine with TOFT, what you did was fine.
I would suggest following some of Me Frenchs pointers. Bring your papers with you and try to see what she'll say.
Also, in my general experience with women, if you're gentle (unless they tell you that they specifically like rough play) and you go down on a woman well enough, for long enough, they'll forget their own names and will be begging for you to fill them up.
That goes with quite a few porn stars too. If you can afford it, that's why it's sometimes worth it to do a few hours. They're people just like anyone at the end of the day. In any service industry, you get what you give, whether you're a provider or a customer.
Whether she's a porn star, escort, SA girl, or a regular girl you met in your normal life, treat a woman right, she'll almost always reciprocate
Hope that helps.[/QUOTE]That's a great way to put it. Almost meme-like haha.
Coincidentally I was eyeing Kiki Daire but damn if you're saying she's over charging her fame I'll wait or pass.
Just super curious because one of her porn she was saying she has no cervix.
[QUOTE=Intenseez;4046116]Serena Santos no go on BBFS; she's currently in NYC until Monday for 600/ hr. Rather new into the porn industry with a recent scene on Bangbus.
Anyone know about Katrina Jade? She's at 1500 but seems to be managing her own account / emails.[/QUOTE]I haven't seen her myself but before she became a pornstar, Katrina was an upscale provider and she used to offer bb as stated in her ads, had to provide papers from what I recall. The strange thing about her back then was that you had to meet her bf before seeing her, for her safety.
Probably not the smartest move but I enjoyed calling keith / chloe out when dude emailed me talking about "not too confident college kids can afford the appointment. " He got livid when I was like no worries keith, accused me of being a weirdo fanboy, threatened public blacklisting etc. He shut up after I followed up and made it clear I knew his deal and to not contact me again.
No worries gents, I kept it generic. I just fucking hate anyone who beats on women. That shit don't make you a man and neither does living off them. Let me know if I actually need to worry. Otherwise fuck it, it was worth it.
[QUOTE=DudeNJ;4046158]Sometimes they catch something and get burnt badly then they stop. I had a regular BBFS at kiss kiss pop few years back and one day she said she not doing BBFS or BBBJ anymore. I got the memo LOL.[/QUOTE]In this particular case, she had "gone sober and clean". She was a heavy drug user at one point and a major alcoholic according to a former colleague and friend of hers. She had gone into rehab and came out clean. And not doing anything that involved any exchange of bodily fluids of any kind. It really was a shame because I booked a date with her some years earlier, and the date got cancelled because she had just gone into rehab at that point. I wish I had seen her before the rehab; she probably would have been a lot more fun.
[QUOTE=SpaspaHunter;4046221]I'm tempted to ask for that now not that I would do it.
Isn't it awkward to ask for their papers?
Damn. Sounds like some really bad communication right there. How do you handle bad dates when that happens?[/QUOTE]It is awkward to ask for their papers but if they are asking you for yours, they should be able to reciprocate. One of the nice things about TTS is that they give you an online link and code so you can call the tests up right on your electronic device of choice and view it, or show it to someone else so the papers are there if you someone needs to see them. At least that's the way they did it the last time I got tested by TTS which was about 10 years ago. Since then I've had my own doctor do it because if something does turn up (God forbid), I can get immediate treatment.
[QUOTE=AQuietExit;4046256]Run that last bit by me again. What did she do that made you so sure about that? And I take it shutdown means blacklisting huh. Don't want that and don't want to offend / make anyone uncomfortable either. I just want to fulfill a fantasy real quick, nbd.[/QUOTE]I don't think she'd blacklist you but she'd probably stop communicating and there wouldn't be a date.
The reason I say that is just her general attitude and demeanor when I talked to her at Exxxotica. While I didn't try to set up a date, or talk about BBFS, she was pretty cold when I brought up the subject of "dating a fan".
Of course, it could just have been me. I'm not the best-looking of guys and she might have thought "ew, go away". .
[QUOTE=AQuietExit;4046294]Sounds like she crashed hard. Reminds me of one of my ex's manic episodes. You might dealt with bipolar on an off day? Who the fuck knows. I assume you got out pretty clean MrFrench?[/QUOTE]See my explanation in another post. Essentially, I got out clean. But it lead to some back and forth on the now defunct porn star discussion board of TER. Before she went UTR. It was a whole thing. It led to her demanding that they pull the review I posted, and then claimed that I "outed" her because she was always UTR. The dickheads at TER put me on a month-long ban taking her side of it which was pretty fucking funny since she was claiming she was UTR just 2 days after posting an ad on the same discussion board.
[QUOTE=MrFrench;4047233]See my explanation in another post. Essentially, I got out clean. But it lead to some back and forth on the now defunct porn star discussion board of TER. Before she went UTR. It was a whole thing. It led to her demanding that they pull the review I posted, and then claimed that I "outed" her because she was always UTR. The dickheads at TER put me on a month-long ban taking her side of it which was pretty fucking funny since she was claiming she was UTR just 2 days after posting an ad on the same discussion board.[/QUOTE]Heard on all the posts you made so far. I got some drama to tell you about re: the perfection models shit, if you want to hear it. Waiting on a post mentioning it to be approved.
[QUOTE=UncleThrax;4046562]At that point I would just flat out ask if BBFS CIP is on the menu (unless you want to see the star anyway even if it isn't). If you've already provided verification info and told them you're D / D free and have papers to prove it, they know you're not LE and they know you're serious.[/QUOTE]Well, actually no, they don't know that you're not LE. LE have ready-made identities that look good on paper so that they can get into places undercover. This is one of the most common misconceptions in this hobby. That verification means not LE. Another common misconception is that once the guy touches you, or you touch him sexually, that you can't be arrested. Total bullshit. The cop can fuck any escort and then turn around and arrest her. Will it hold up in court? Maybe yes, maybe no. There are so many misconceptions about what cops can and cannot do and many people are pretty self-delusional about it. But, I have friends who are cops. And I know some of the stuff they've actually done. Hell, there was a local police department that actually ran a brothel for a year and THEN arrested all the girls and johns.
[QUOTE=UncleThrax;4046562]Either they'll answer you candidly and tell you what's available and what isn't or they'll terminate the convo or they'll warn you about explicit talk and threaten to terminate the convo. Adonia at TLC will tell you to pick some providers and she'll find out for you.[/QUOTE]That's one of the things I love about Adonia and why I recommend her so highly. She'll actually take time (if she's not too busy with a crunch) to find out what makes the client happy and will go out of her way to make it happen. I know some guys have been blown away after talking to Adonia because Adonia talked them out of seeing particular porn stars on the basis that they wouldn't be happy with her because they aren't compatible! Now, how many agents will talk a guy out of seeing an escort?? This is why Adonia has so much respect in the hobby.
[QUOTE=UncleThrax;4046562] Some are VERY straightforward like Chennin Blanc, Lacey Duvalle, Sexy Vanessa, and Kiki Daire. But they're also older and with the exception of Chennin Blanc charge A LOT.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure Kiki still does BBFS. I haven't talked to her in two years. She used to. Then she got married and left the hobby. Now I think she's divorced, and back in it, but I'm not sure if she's still as open. When I saw her at Exxxotica a couple of years ago, she had put on a lot of weight, too. As for fees. She was on the lower end. I think it was $800 last I asked. Definitely more than Chennin but a lot less than others charge.
[QUOTE=UncleThrax;4046562] Some who work through agents like Nicolette Shea (NO BBFS but BBBJ according to her assistant BTW as an FYI) aren't going to be so straightforward.[/QUOTE]Not only no BBFS but no GFE from what I'm told. FWIW, I saw her at Exxxotica and I wouldn't touch her. She looked very skanky. And mostly plastic. She was as shiny as a store mannequin. Definitely not my type at all. Oh, and I've heard her fee is $2500.