Rants and Raves

[QUOTE=GeorgeGA;3342984]OK, just to play devil's advocate, who determines the chick is worth $80? She may be worth $80 to YOU, but not someone else. Do you use some kind of appraisal service (like is done to get an approximate worth of a house), or do you do a detailed comparison with other women? If so, how many? Exact same services?

To each their own. If someone wants to pay more, that's up to them.

George.[/QUOTE]I use nearly 30 years of hobbying experience as a guide. Taking inflation into account. A 10 dollar ho is a 10 dollar ho. A 100 dollar ho is a 100 dollar ho. In today's money, a 50 dollar ho, is still a 50 dollar ho and a 1000 dollar ho is still a 1000 dollar ho. And, yes, it's up to me if I want to pay double what a provider is worth (to me and most people with common sense and / or experience). In my estimation, its more of a principle than a dollar issue. Pussy is like any other commodity. They are selling / renting a service, I am paying for that service. What I am willing to pay helps to drive the cost of what they are willing to charge.

The main difference between renting some ass as opposed to a good steak is when it comes to an on the spot decision point, my dick is going to say pay anything she asks, unless my brain has previously set a limit on what I'm going to spend on a given provider. Hence, the "appraisal" And it's not a house appraisal, it's more like a hotel room appraisal. For example I have an option of staying in a five star hotel for 500 a night. I also have an option of staying in a five star hotel for half that or even less if I use a service like price line or some of the other sites out there.

Likewise, I have an option of spending 3 or 400 bones on a provider going through an escort service or personal website. I also have an option of paying 80-100 using a cheap site like BP or CL. I will never go to price line and pay full price for a hotel room. That's not the point of the site. I go to price line to get a good deal. The same goes for BP and similar sites. I love the luxury and opulence of a five star hotel, but if one is not available, I am willing to stay in a three or four star provided the utility I gain is acceptable to me.

Hotel rooms, like providers have had many visitors, some will pay full price, others will not. But only a fool would pay 1000 dollars for the five start hotel when the price is 500. However, if most of the hotel's clientele were willing to pay 1000 for the room, the owners would then value the 500 dollar room at 1000. Then, my price line search is going to yield a 500 or 700 dollar "deal" as opposed to the 250 dollar deal I could have gotten if a bunch of desperate idiots hadn't been willing to pay double what the room is worth.

Now, if there were 10 providers in Atlanta and 10,000 customers, it would make sense to pay the premium, (supply and demand). But there are thousands of providers and I have no idea how many hobbyists there are, but I doubt if it is 1000:1. I could be wrong. What we have is a minority of hobbyists with a practical view of the game and its price point and a majority of people with more dollars than sense. The minority are using forums like USASG to educate the majority. Unfortunately, the majority is all defensive and trying to justify their ignorance rather than considering what the minority is trying to tell them.

So there you have it. Label me cheep, stingy, suffering from class envy or whatever, I am never ever going to buy a brand new BMW when I can get a pre-owned certified low mileage "last year's" model for significantly less. (man I'm exhausted from all these fucking metaphors, time for a nap).

Happy hunting and stay safe.

I'm glad the Rant and Rave Thread is here. Sometimes it helps to get things off your chest.

So. Two weeks ago I arranged a date with a hot lady, wide open menu, enthusiastic and participative. We had stayed in touch as the time passed and both of us were eager. I had scheduled two hours with my new friend and I was intending to use every minute indulging. She is a good value too.

I'm sitting on the plane, ready for takeoff on my way to Atlanta yesterday morning when I receive a text from my new friend. She woke up with a surprise visit from her monthly period. Needless to say, I was sooooo damn frustrated and disappointed. Not at her, because shit happens. But, damnit, it's not supposed to happen to ME!

So, I reach out to a buddy who hooks me up with an UTR who needs some $. The young lady and I exchange some texts. I'm very transparent with her about what I'm looking for (nothing exotic, just a really good f"&k) and she's on board.

I arrive at her place and she is beautiful! But, soon, I can tell she's feeling mellow from indulging in some substance. I allow the date to move forward because I just need to fire that round. Surprise, surprise. She's a dead fish. I try really hard for about 45 minutes and, finally, I just throw in the towel.

What a f"&king waste. I knew better. I should have been patient. Lesson re-learned.

Thanks for letting me vent.

[blue]It's fine that you used this thread for this. FYI, you may ALWAYS rant about chicks on the review threads. The idea behind these fight threads was to create a space where guys could call other guys idiots.

There are no members with vajaja's so you can't be argumentative when talking about them.

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[QUOTE=Pete1340;3340834]Parrot, based on several of your recent posts, you are obviously jealous of all mongers with more money to spend than you. You seem a fairly intelligent man, perhaps you could return to school and gain the skills that would allow you to get out of the dead end job you must currently have. Then you too could visit the higher end professional ladies that a bigger budget allows. Or maybe you just relish licking semen from these skank's $40 pussies? I bet you really like it when the previous monger's cum drips off your chin, don't you? If that's the case my friend, enjoy.[/QUOTE]Ah, que the inevitable insults from the butt hurt simp brigade.

You know nothing about me to draw any concrete conclusions my "friend. " You have no idea how old I am, You don't know my job / career / occupation, and you don't know my level of education.

There is no reason for me to be "jealous" of a trick. Someone who HAS to pay 200+ for a short-lived EXPERIENCE with a woman, is no one ANYBODY should be jealous of.

I have girlfriends and fvk buddies that look 10 times better than the providers that are charging 200+. I'm far from desperate or jealous of anybody.

Also, I am able to afford ANY provider on BP. However, I know the value of a dollar and I'm not stupid enough to waste too much on community kitty. You think the providers who charge more are "upscale" or don't get ran through by multiple old tricks? If I was Bill Gates or Warren Buffett, I still would waste 200+ on these worn out birds. Especially the one's who work out of low-end notes or live in the ghetto.

"I bet you really like it when the previous monger's cum drips off your chin, don't you?

LOL, I don't daty, kiss, GFE or anything else romantic with these birds. So I would never have to worry about what you stated. I think men who pay women to pretend to be their girlfriend, are just pathetic (just my 2 cents).

Let me repeat it for you: I will NEVER be jealous of a TRICK, get that stupid idea out of your head. I know my worth, I know the value of a dollar, and I know 80% of the BP chicks are not worth 200+.

Maybe a "high end" agency escort, but DEFINITELY NOT a BP girl.

I'm tired of beating this dead horse. If you want to be a simp with your chips, go right ahead.

If you end up dead like the old simp on Glenwood, I will be right there at your funeral to take a piss on your grave!

You can have the last words.

Adios!!

[QUOTE=GeorgeGA;3342984]OK, just to play devil's advocate, who determines the chick is worth $80? She may be worth $80 to YOU, but not someone else. Do you use some kind of appraisal service (like is done to get an approximate worth of a house), or do you do a detailed comparison with other women? If so, how many? Exact same services?

To each their own. If someone wants to pay more, that's up to them.

George.[/QUOTE]Common sense is what determines a chicks, but nowadays most men are lacking it.

1) If a woman has tattoos all over her body, is sickly skinny, and works out of a ghetto Notel: she is NOT worth much.

2) Any provider who lives in a ghetto / rundown apartment complex, but charges 150+ is NOT worth it.

3) Any provider that lives in or around a dangerous / low income area and has a dirty room, and smelly kitty: IS NOT worth much.

I am beating the dead horse once again LOL.

It's funny when these mongers get robbed and scammed by the providers charging 150+.

You wasted your gas, time, and chips; only to be disrespected and taken advantage of.

Social Darwinism yet again.

[QUOTE=TheParrot;3343291]Common sense is what determines a chicks, but nowadays most men are lacking it.

1) If a woman has tattoos all over her body, is sickly skinny, and works out of a ghetto Notel: she is NOT worth much.

2) Any provider who lives in a ghetto / rundown apartment complex, but charges 150+ is NOT worth it.

3) Any provider that lives in or around a dangerous / low income area and has a dirty room, and smelly kitty: IS NOT worth much.

I am beating the dead horse once again LOL.

It's funny when these mongers get robbed and scammed by the providers charging 150+.

You wasted your gas, time, and chips; only to be disrespected and taken advantage of.

Social Darwinism yet again.[/QUOTE]FWIW, supply and demand will always determine what a lady charges regardless of whether she lives in a ghetto area, speaks ghetto slang or is is covered up in tattoos. We have an oversupply of Black providers in Atlanta, it's like shooting fish in barrel, so their price levels are much lower than say their Caucasian, Hispanic or Asian counterparts. Also because of this oversupply of Black girls many Black guys feel compelled to negotiate aggressively, however doing the same with girls of other races really pisses them off and very often results in a plethora of the "no mas blacks" we see in many ads.

[QUOTE=AtlHobbyist67;3343192]I use nearly 30 years of hobbying experience as a guide. Taking inflation into account. A 10 dollar ho is a 10 dollar ho. A 100 dollar ho is a 100 dollar ho. In today's money, a 50 dollar ho, is still a 50 dollar ho and a 1000 dollar ho is still a 1000 dollar ho. And, yes, it's up to me if I want to pay double what a provider is worth (to me and most people with common sense and / or experience). In my estimation, its more of a principle than a dollar issue. Pussy is like any other commodity. They are selling / renting a service, I am paying for that service. What I am willing to pay helps to drive the cost of what they are willing to charge.

The main difference between renting some ass as opposed to a good steak is when it comes to an on the spot decision point, my dick is going to say pay anything she asks, unless my brain has previously set a limit on what I'm going to spend on a given provider. Hence, the "appraisal" And it's not a house appraisal, it's more like a hotel room appraisal. For example I have an option of staying in a five star hotel for 500 a night. I also have an option of staying in a five star hotel for half that or even less if I use a service like price line or some of the other sites out there.

Likewise, I have an option of spending 3 or 400 bones on a provider going through an escort service or personal website. I also have an option of paying 80-100 using a cheap site like BP or CL. I will never go to price line and pay full price for a hotel room. That's not the point of the site. I go to price line to get a good deal. The same goes for BP and similar sites. I love the luxury and opulence of a five star hotel, but if one is not available, I am willing to stay in a three or four star provided the utility I gain is acceptable to me.

Hotel rooms, like providers have had many visitors, some will pay full price, others will not. But only a fool would pay 1000 dollars for the five start hotel when the price is 500. However, if most of the hotel's clientele were willing to pay 1000 for the room, the owners would then value the 500 dollar room at 1000. Then, my price line search is going to yield a 500 or 700 dollar "deal" as opposed to the 250 dollar deal I could have gotten if a bunch of desperate idiots hadn't been willing to pay double what the room is worth.

Now, if there were 10 providers in Atlanta and 10,000 customers, it would make sense to pay the premium, (supply and demand). But there are thousands of providers and I have no idea how many hobbyists there are, but I doubt if it is 1000:1. I could be wrong. What we have is a minority of hobbyists with a practical view of the game and its price point and a majority of people with more dollars than sense. The minority are using forums like USASG to educate the majority. Unfortunately, the majority is all defensive and trying to justify their ignorance rather than considering what the minority is trying to tell them.

So there you have it. Label me cheep, stingy, suffering from class envy or whatever, I am never ever going to buy a brand new BMW when I can get a pre-owned certified low mileage "last year's" model for significantly less. (man I'm exhausted from all these fucking metaphors, time for a nap).

Happy hunting and stay safe.[/QUOTE]Probably the best explanation available right now. Well said my friend.

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[QUOTE=TheParrot;3343837]That was quite a low blow, and a lane explanation for no AA in ads.

Sure you will have some AA trying to aggressively negotiate, but there are other reason besides that. You are not taking into account:

1) the fact that "brothers" can be more physically aggressive and less prone to take crap from anybody. Meaning if a provider is full of it, a rusher, or plans on running a scam; then she needs an EASY target. The "brothers" are NEVER an easy target, they almost always fight back against handlers and cause a scene. Non AA and older more frail mongers are seen as easier targets (and I've heard this DIRECTLY from a few providers and handlers.) Also keep in mind many of the "No AA" providers have an AA handler protecting them.

2) The chance that a "brother" may be too sexually aggressive, have too much stamina, or be packing too much python meat for certain providers to deal with. I've also heard this from providers, I have also tired out my fair share of providers. Older men tend to have less stamina and finish quicker, hence they are much EASIER customers.

3) Economics: the "brothers" may have less chips to work with, and less to LOSE therefore they may fight for their chips back if scammed. Whereas another type of monger would count his loss's and leave. Example: a MEDICAL DOCTOR has a lot to lose if caught tricking: he could lose his high paying career, his wife, and his reputation. Therefore when he is in a lose lose situation, he will walk away and take the monetary loss. In turn avoiding the greater problem of losing everything he has accomplished. Whereas a factory worker, or a regular "brother" may fight to the end for his chips, as he has no high paying career to lose, or I a wife at home. They tend to get offended easier when they find out that the 150 HH they paid, didn't include FS. (a trick some sneaky providers pull).

4) Crime: a "brother" may be more likely to try and become a providers handler, by force or coercion. I have heard Shelly speak of brothers trying to run her "business" for her.

5) hate / dislike: face it, certain providers just don't like the "brothers" and may view them a disgusting or too rough looking.

6) fear and stereotypes: certain providers are just afraid. The media does not showcase the "brothers" in a very positive light. It is what it is LOL.

But to simply say that they are blocked ONLY because of haggling, is just an ignorant thing to say.

Personally, I have read many stories of "no AA" providers robbing and scamming mongers. They sure know how to pick their victims. I wouldn't put up with any of the crap these scammers give to certain mongers. I always stand up and fight.

I am disappointed in the lack of intelligence you displayed in your post. I held you in high regards than that, shame on you bro.[/QUOTE]Damn you guys are really on it today. It's well known (well I guess not) that people who intend to scam consider older and non-black people "marks" in a lot of situations. I love the way you broke it down.

[QUOTE=TheParrot;3343277]Ah, que the inevitable insults from the butt hurt simp brigade.

You know nothing about me to draw any concrete conclusions my "friend. " You have no idea how old I am, You don't know my job / career / occupation, and you don't know my level of education.

There is no reason for me to be "jealous" of a trick. Someone who HAS to pay 200+ for a short-lived EXPERIENCE with a woman, is no one ANYBODY should be jealous of.

I have girlfriends and fvk buddies that look 10 times better than the providers that are charging 200+. I'm far from desperate or jealous of anybody.

Also, I am able to afford ANY provider on BP. However, I know the value of a dollar and I'm not stupid enough to waste too much on community kitty. You think the providers who charge more are "upscale" or don't get ran through by multiple old tricks? If I was Bill Gates or Warren Buffett, I still would waste 200+ on these worn out birds. Especially the one's who work out of low-end notes or live in the ghetto.

"I bet you really like it when the previous monger's cum drips off your chin, don't you?

LOL, I don't daty, kiss, GFE or anything else romantic with these birds. So I would never have to worry about what you stated. I think men who pay women to pretend to be their girlfriend, are just pathetic (just my 2 cents).

Let me repeat it for you: I will NEVER be jealous of a TRICK, get that stupid idea out of your head. I know my worth, I know the value of a dollar, and I know 80% of the BP chicks are not worth 200+.

Maybe a "high end" agency escort, but DEFINITELY NOT a BP girl.

I'm tired of beating this dead horse. If you want to be a simp with your chips, go right ahead.

If you end up dead like the old simp on Glenwood, I will be right there at your funeral to take a piss on your grave!

You can have the last words.

Adios!![/QUOTE]Well said! It's fascinating how ignorant some people are.

[QUOTE=MoonshineXXX;3343257]I'm glad the Rant and Rave Thread is here. Sometimes it helps to get things off your chest.

So. Two weeks ago I arranged a date with a hot lady, wide open menu, enthusiastic and participative. We had stayed in touch as the time passed and both of us were eager. I had scheduled two hours with my new friend and I was intending to use every minute indulging. She is a good value too.

I'm sitting on the plane, ready for takeoff on my way to Atlanta yesterday morning when I receive a text from my new friend. She woke up with a surprise visit from her monthly period. Needless to say, I was sooooo damn frustrated and disappointed. Not at her, because shit happens. But, damnit, it's not supposed to happen to ME!

So, I reach out to a buddy who hooks me up with an UTR who needs some $. The young lady and I exchange some texts. I'm very transparent with her about what I'm looking for (nothing exotic, just a really good f"&k) and she's on board.

I arrive at her place and she is beautiful! But, soon, I can tell she's feeling mellow from indulging in some substance. I allow the date to move forward because I just need to fire that round. Surprise, surprise. She's a dead fish. I try really hard for about 45 minutes and, finally, I just throw in the towel.

What a f"&king waste. I knew better. I should have been patient. Lesson re-learned.

Thanks for letting me vent.

[blue]It's fine that you used this thread for this. FYI, you may ALWAYS rant about chicks on the review threads. The idea behind these fight threads was to create a space where guys could call other guys idiots.

There are no members with vajaja's so you can't be argumentative when talking about them.

A2[/blue][/QUOTE]Stick with this site dude, keep posting and stay active, you'll have so many choices you won't know what to do with yourself.

[QUOTE=TheParrot;3343291]Common sense is what determines a chicks, but nowadays most men are lacking it.

1) If a woman has tattoos all over her body, is sickly skinny, and works out of a ghetto Notel: she is NOT worth much.

2) Any provider who lives in a ghetto / rundown apartment complex, but charges 150+ is NOT worth it.

3) Any provider that lives in or around a dangerous / low income area and has a dirty room, and smelly kitty: IS NOT worth much.

I am beating the dead horse once again LOL.

It's funny when these mongers get robbed and scammed by the providers charging 150+.

You wasted your gas, time, and chips; only to be disrespected and taken advantage of.

Social Darwinism yet again.[/QUOTE]4) If she has a lot of negative statements in her ad, (no this no that, if do this I'll block you, if you do that I'll.) She's not worth it.

5) If she shares ads with two or three girls using the same number (in my experience) they are fly by night and don't give a shit about service. Not worth it.

6) If she has an attitude on the phone. Not worth it.

7) If she seems impatient or indifferent from the beginning of the meeting. Not worth it.

8) If she's not the girl in the pictures (close or not) . Usually not worth it.

9) If her pictures are 10 years and 40 pounds old (up or down in weight) . Not worth it.

I could do this all day.

[QUOTE=TheParrot;3343277]Ah, que the inevitable insults from the butt hurt simp brigade.

I'm tired of beating this dead horse. If you want to be a simp with your chips, go right ahead.

If you end up dead like the old simp on Glenwood, I will be right there at your funeral to take a piss on your grave!

You can have the last words.

Adios!![/QUOTE]Parrot, mongers are more likely to be ripped off, robbed, beaten, etc. By the low end providers (and their pimps) that you and others frequent, not the well reviewed professionals many of us visit. Your 'old simp' argument makes no sense. If mongers would stop seeing these low end ladies they would be forced out of this business and most mongers would benefit. You have something to add to this forum. However your hatred towards those with more money to spend than you not only damages your credibility but exposes your instability, to say the least. The money I spend on this hobby is a tiny piece of my budget. Price is not the first factor many of us consider when searching for a provider. Get over it. I've been in this game for decades. I neither need nor want your 'advice'. Many of your comments add nothing to this great forum. And that's a fact. I wish you good luck.

[QUOTE=Pete1340;3344226]Parrot, mongers are more likely to be ripped off, robbed, beaten, etc. By the low end providers (and their pimps) that you and others frequent, not the well reviewed professionals many of us visit. Your 'old simp' argument makes no sense. If mongers would stop seeing these low end ladies they would be forced out of this business and most mongers would benefit. You have something to add to this forum. However your hatred towards those with more money to spend than you not only damages your credibility but exposes your instability, to say the least. The money I spend on this hobby is a tiny piece of my budget. Price is not the first factor many of us consider when searching for a provider. Get over it. I've been in this game for decades. I neither need nor want your 'advice'. Many of your comments add nothing to this great forum. And that's a fact. I wish you good luck.[/QUOTE]"I'm rich and you guys are jealous" we get it. No need to keep saying it over and over in every post you make.

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[QUOTE=Pete1340;3344226]Parrot, mongers are more likely to be ripped off, robbed, beaten, etc. By the low end providers (and their pimps) that you and others frequent, not the well reviewed professionals many of us visit. Your 'old simp' argument makes no sense. If mongers would stop seeing these low end ladies they would be forced out of this business and most mongers would benefit. You have something to add to this forum. However your hatred towards those with more money to spend than you not only damages your credibility but exposes your instability, to say the least. The money I spend on this hobby is a tiny piece of my budget. Price is not the first factor many of us consider when searching for a provider. Get over it. I've been in this game for decades. I neither need nor want your 'advice'. Many of your comments add nothing to this great forum. And that's a fact. I wish you good luck.[/QUOTE]You are entitled to your opinion sir, however the facts remain. Also, you cannot prove that lower priced providers are more likely to rob or scam.

Also, get it through your head that I do NOT "hate" those who have more to spend.

I dislike simps, one again: I do NOT "hate" those who have more than me. Also, I am not poor / broke or uneducated, I'm just wise with my chips.