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[QUOTE=Magicman20;3318676]Watching the coverage they also mentioned another place but no name on Bumby wow! Becareful fellas.[/QUOTE]Reminder: only the therapists were taken into custody. Not the clients (us mongers).
I think their services will remain, but they will need to be more discreet (maybe even start wearing scrubs: with some lingerie underneath). Be safe.
[QUOTE=Gentleman100;3318723]Reminder: only the therapists were taken into custody. Not the clients (us mongers).
I think their services will remain, but they will need to be more discreet (maybe even start wearing scrubs: with some lingerie underneath). Be safe.[/QUOTE]I'm willing to bet they are going to be legit from now on. Maybe be lucky enough to get a handshake.
[QUOTE=WalSTreet;3318705]No surprise guys. Way too much chatter about this place.[/QUOTE]Reading the article, I note that the website 'chatter' was not what led LE to the location. Rather is was the 'tattle' of a proactive report, or complaint, directly to a tipster-hotline type of thing from a complainant that was actually a visitor and offered first hand observations (reportedly). The remarks about the fact that "Agents found a website. . . " have nothing to do with actual probable cause, nor will anything gleaned from that website be admissible anywhere other than media reports. All for the purpose of quieting down that 'chatter' (if you ask me).
If any competitor, or other nefarious person, is seeking to create problems for the place, whatever would be learned from website reports could possibly contribute to a fictional fabric built for those purposes. Otherwise, seeking to reduce reporting runs counter to the purpose of the board. . . In my humble opinion.
[QUOTE=Pbfla321;3318737]I'm willing to bet they are going to be legit from now on. Maybe be lucky enough to get a handshake.[/QUOTE]The girls are OK. Must have been a scary experience. This event is the ultimate taking one for the team! Glad to see two bonded out. Hope the third is in the wind soon. I will be back no matter what.
Going to have to come up with a secret knock and code word, like they did back in the day at the speakeasies. Like there isn't bigger problems in Orlando they need to be working on. I guess its a whole lot easier to bust these places than the other issues.
Maybe if the competition offered better services they wouldn't have to resort to tattling, I'm not going to say it was another AMP that reported them, but if it was I think I've got a good idea of which one.
I feel the need to point out that Uncle LEO benefits from the news media stories of rumors. In all likelihood, the therapists will not be charged and are now fully lawyered up. Uncle Leo knows they don't have a case unless the therapists talk and give them the evidence they don't have. They are using fraudulent (but legal) tactics to get evidence. Uncle Leo can lie, cheat, and be deceptive. The news media is their willing accomplice (sort of like the Vichy French to the Nazis: look it up). Uncle Leo throws in all sorts of charges with no proof, with the sole intent of getting the victim to talk or admit to some charges.
Anyone can be charged with a crime. Proving it is what matters. No proof = charges dropped. Here is some very good information to know about your rights (printable info available): https://www.aclu.org/know-your-rights/what-do-if-youre-stopped-police-immigration-agents-or-fbi.
If the girls were not being careful, they will probably be replaced with those that are more discreet. Everyone gets pinched, but not everyone gets convicted. The services they previously offered will still be there.
The girls will be fine, BB will be fine, and we all can move along with our lives and have fun at our favorite places. Naturally, this is my learned, experienced, and humble opinion.
Be safe.
[QUOTE=Gentleman100;3319072]I feel the need to point out that Uncle LEO benefits from the news media stories of rumors. In all likelihood, the therapists will not be charged and are now fully lawyered up. Uncle Leo knows they don't have a case unless the therapists talk and give them the evidence they don't have. They are using fraudulent (but legal) tactics to get evidence. Uncle Leo can lie, cheat, and be deceptive. The news media is their willing accomplice (sort of like the Vichy French to the Nazis: look it up). Uncle Leo throws in all sorts of charges with no proof, with the sole intent of getting the victim to talk or admit to some charges.
Anyone can be charged with a crime. Proving it is what matters. No proof = charges dropped. Here is some very good information to know about your rights (printable info available): https://www.aclu.org/know-your-rights/what-do-if-youre-stopped-police-immigration-agents-or-fbi.
If the girls were not being careful, they will probably be replaced with those that are more discreet. Everyone gets pinched, but not everyone gets convicted. The services they previously offered will still be there.
The girls will be fine, BB will be fine, and we all can move along with our lives and have fun at our favorite places. Naturally, this is my learned, experienced, and humble opinion.
Be safe.[/QUOTE]This is very true. The ace for LEO according to the article they are not licensed. This is a felony charge in Florida. Prostitution usually is not but they can try to use the RICO act to go after the owners!
Been talking to owners I know across the state and I've brought up this topic before but none of the codes or tricks they come up with have convinced me that they could work, I am thinking about coming up with a way to let spas statewide know who the ok mongers are and who aren't without the customers knowing this themselves, if a customer knows then uncle will learn it eventually because we all know there is always that one guy out of the bunch, I've already expressed my ideas to some owners in orange and Osceola county talking to some in Tampa and from there onto Clearwater, I brought some talents from there when I went to see an owner I know and he allowed me to take 2 girls back to my city, pretty neat. Too bad there I no other spa at the moment that can offer what cb and bb did, it's a huge blow to the us more than them IMHO.
[QUOTE=BoredFlGuy;3318980]Going to have to come up with a secret knock and code word, like they did back in the day at the speakeasies. Like there isn't bigger problems in Orlando they need to be working on. I guess its a whole lot easier to bust these places than the other issues.
Maybe if the competition offered better services they wouldn't have to resort to tattling, I'm not going to say it was another AMP that reported them, but if it was I think I've got a good idea of which one.[/QUOTE]
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The problem is no matter what code we come up with LEO will always figure it out. They have people that just troll websites all day. Also how can we be sure that a senior member on this site is not LEO they could just post fake reviews to gain trust and then use all are info to find who to bust. Not saying this is true but anything is possible that's the shitty part. I wish there was a way for us to keep LEO out of everything. This is the one reason why I am skeptical on new places and providers. So, everyone just do your research before a visit to keep yourself safe.
[QUOTE=KalaFina;3319301]Been talking to owners I know across the state and I've brought up this topic before but none of the codes or tricks they come up with have convinced me that they could work, I am thinking about coming up with a way to let spas statewide know who the ok mongers are and who aren't without the customers knowing this themselves, if a customer knows then uncle will learn it eventually because we all know there is always that one guy out of the bunch, I've already expressed my ideas to some owners in orange and Osceola county talking to some in Tampa and from there onto Clearwater, I brought some talents from there when I went to see an owner I know and he allowed me to take 2 girls back to my city, pretty neat. Too bad there I no other spa at the moment that can offer what cb and bb did, it's a huge blow to the us more than them IMHO.[/QUOTE]
This was bound 2 happen. Whether it was the forum, disgruntled monger, or angry neighbors; it was bound 2 happen. TOO POPULAR. LEO likes 2 scare the top dog; to scare all of us. Thats why I prefer low profile places. Be safe.
Lots of tips in the Massage threads on re-assuring providers you're not LEO. Little things you do / say will clue them in. Be safe!
[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2291-AMP-Tips-and-Guidelines[/URL]
[QUOTE=Chino44;3318437]Why go to either for that matter.[/QUOTE]More curious than anything. Variety is the spice of life.
[QUOTE=CrazyHorse666;3318631][URL]http://www.clickorlando.com/news/women-used-massage-parlor-as-front-for-prostitution-mbi-says[/URL][/QUOTE]As many have already mentioned, LEO is trying to stir the pot with a fishing expedition. Anybody can get charged with anything at any time. Making it stck and getting a conviction is a totally separate deal. Most of the time they do this to see if they will talk.
One charge in particular stood out to me. Is NOT against the law in Florida to get a massage w / o being draped! If a client requests that, then the therapist is not doing anything wrong, therefore can't be changed with that. Florida is a draping optional state.
I am a massage therapist and as such, you have to explain the draping process to your client. It's up to them if they want to use it or not. With that said, most chains, and therapists require draping as their own practice.
Here is the law regarding draping in just in case anyone ever gets caught uncovered on a table. Unless you're caught in the act of FS, they have nothing on you! I didn't include the first 4 because they don't pertain to the topic at hand.
Misconduct and Negligence in the Practice of Massage Therapy. The following acts shall constitute the failure to practice massage therapy with that level of care, skill, and treatment which is recognized by a reasonably prudent similar massage therapist as being acceptable under similar conditions and circumstances:
(5) Failure to appropriately drape a client. Appropriate draping of a client shall include draping of the buttocks and genitalia of all clients, and breasts of female clients, unless the client gives specific informed consent to be undraped.
MT314.
[QUOTE=MrBill469;3318753]Reading the article, I note that the website 'chatter' was not what led LE to the location. Rather is was the 'tattle' of a proactive report, or complaint, directly to a tipster-hotline type of thing from a complainant that was actually a visitor and offered first hand observations (reportedly). The remarks about the fact that "Agents found a website. . . " have nothing to do with actual probable cause, nor will anything gleaned from that website be admissible anywhere other than media reports. All for the purpose of quieting down that 'chatter' (if you ask me).
If any competitor, or other nefarious person, is seeking to create problems for the place, whatever would be learned from website reports could possibly contribute to a fictional fabric built for those purposes. Otherwise, seeking to reduce reporting runs counter to the purpose of the board. . . In my humble opinion.[/QUOTE]I couldn't agree more with your post (your other posts are also very reasonable). It is easier to blame the boogeyman rather than accept responsibility for a bad business decision. BB's location was less than ideal and a few patrons pointed this out a while back. The other occupants of the strip aren't stupid, they know what is going on and they did not hide the fact with the way they behaved. I don't buy the idea that a competitor or an undercover LE (pretending to be SM) initiated the investigation. It doesn't make sense to spare the other location if this is an investigation targeting the whole establishment.
Got to visit Holly at her place in Altamonte Springs. Massage table is in the middle of her living room. She answered the door in a sexy short robe and greeted me with LFK. Opted for 30 minute massage at $100 USD. Massage was okay and relaxing enough to catch a quick nap. On flip she was naked. Has a beautiful figure for a MILF. Nice spray tan with bikini lines and beautifully trimmed pussy. She mounted me and slid her pussy on my Johnson without penetration. She was definitely wet. She then got down and hiked one leg on the table near my head while FIV was performed. She slowly gave a BBBJ while staring at me the entire time. We then transitioned to 69 where she made me explode. DATY was sweet and juicy. I'm thinking it BBBJCIMWS but not sure. I exploded and it felt like it went in her mouth but no mess after we finished. She had fresh towels and offered a shower. Nice hug and LFK on the way out. I will definitely repeat when in the area. I would love to FS this MILF.
[URL]http://orlando.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/relax-with-the-best-of-the-best/18912293[/URL]
Went to gikku massage at 1685 Powell St, Longwood, FL 32750 and definately recommend NOT going. Last time I went provider was very unattractive. Today was in the area and said what the hell, I'll try again. Walk in told $80 for an hour. Get a table shower then proceed to get a massage. Said no feet and the girl started out with feet massage on my back. Ok no biggie. Massage continues. On the flip I start to massage her ass she says $100 to touch, I said hmm do clothes come off? Anything else? She said NO. I said thanks but no thanks. Then I told her I would do 60.00. Paid 60 for standar he. Not worth it and was far below average. Recommend not going.
[QUOTE=MilkyWay;3319903]I couldn't agree more with your post (your other posts are also very reasonable). It is easier to blame the boogeyman rather than accept responsibility for a bad business decision. BB's location was less than ideal and a few patrons pointed this out a while back. The other occupants of the strip aren't stupid, they know what is going on and they did not hide the fact with the way they behaved. I don't buy the idea that a competitor or an undercover LE (pretending to be SM) initiated the investigation. It doesn't make sense to spare the other location if this is an investigation targeting the whole establishment.[/QUOTE]I believe its probably the Prep school / church right across the street. I'm sure the "Massage Parlor" issue came up quite a bit during PTA meetings. Sorry but that is just plain DUMB to open that location so close to a school. LE will keep hounding them until they close up shop.
[QUOTE=MilkyWay;3319903]I couldn't agree more with your post (your other posts are also very reasonable). It is easier to blame the boogeyman rather than accept responsibility for a bad business decision. BB's location was less than ideal and a few patrons pointed this out a while back. The other occupants of the strip aren't stupid, they know what is going on and they did not hide the fact with the way they behaved. I don't buy the idea that a competitor or an undercover LE (pretending to be SM) initiated the investigation. It doesn't make sense to spare the other location if this is an investigation targeting the whole establishment.[/QUOTE]It may be the neighbors, it may also be a competitor tattling (or both). I like the location of BB. Quiet street and good dim sum next door. I don't think we will every fully know the truth about who initiated the investigation, because I predict all charges will be dropped for lack of evidence.
I think this story has played itself out, and we can get back to our hobby again. Be safe everyone.
[QUOTE=MrBill469;3318753]Reading the article, I note that the website 'chatter' was not what led LE to the location. Rather is was the 'tattle' of a proactive report, or complaint, directly to a tipster-hotline type of thing from a complainant that was actually a visitor and offered first hand observations (reportedly). The remarks about the fact that "Agents found a website. . . " have nothing to do with actual probable cause, nor will anything gleaned from that website be admissible anywhere other than media reports. All for the purpose of quieting down that 'chatter' (if you ask me).
If any competitor, or other nefarious person, is seeking to create problems for the place, whatever would be learned from website reports could possibly contribute to a fictional fabric built for those purposes. Otherwise, seeking to reduce reporting runs counter to the purpose of the board. . . In my humble opinion.[/QUOTE]The video on that link says MBI mentioned that men were talking online about getting full service from there. That said, I agree with poster who said it had more to do with the location.
[QUOTE=KalaFina;3319301]Been talking to owners I know across the state and I've brought up this topic before but none of the codes or tricks they come up with have convinced me that they could work, I am thinking about coming up with a way to let spas statewide know who the ok mongers are and who aren't without the customers knowing this themselves, if a customer knows then uncle will learn it eventually because we all know there is always that one guy out of the bunch, I've already expressed my ideas to some owners in orange and Osceola county talking to some in Tampa and from there onto Clearwater, I brought some talents from there when I went to see an owner I know and he allowed me to take 2 girls back to my city, pretty neat. Too bad there I no other spa at the moment that can offer what cb and bb did, it's a huge blow to the us more than them IMHO.[/QUOTE]Great point!
If owners weren't so "money hungry" they could work together which is something that rarely happens and I've literally witnessed a huge argument between 5 girls just 4 days ago telling each other "something bad is going to happen to you"just wait and see what you get", "we're going to call the police". The party was 1 vs2 vs2 and I was with 2 of them after everything was done they translated, during the fight the other girls were asking why are your girls threatening us, so that idea I have about linking statewide spas isn't as simple as someone might think and I need to talk only to certain owners at first then move onto the next ones.
Permanently shut down according to Google Maps anyway. I can't drive by to confirm in person since I don't get in town until Friday.
[QUOTE=AnonymousMongr;3320211]I believe its probably the Prep school / church right across the street. I'm sure the "Massage Parlor" issue came up quite a bit during PTA meetings. Sorry but that is just plain DUMB to open that location so close to a school. LE will keep hounding them until they close up shop.[/QUOTE]Girls scouts of America is right down the street as well. I posted a few months back about a soccer mom yelling at me through the fence near CVS asking me what goes on in there. Do I believe she made a phone call or two? No. Do I believe other places ratted them out? Maybe. Coke and Pepsi coexist, so does Home Depot and lowes (Chrysler and ford). These places about coexist because it makes everything better for all.
[QUOTE=Gentleman100;3319072]I feel the need to point out that Uncle LEO benefits from the news media stories of rumors. In all likelihood, the therapists will not be charged and are now fully lawyered up. Uncle Leo knows they don't have a case unless the therapists talk and give them the evidence they don't have. They are using fraudulent (but legal) tactics to get evidence. Uncle Leo can lie, cheat, and be deceptive. The news media is their willing accomplice (sort of like the Vichy French to the Nazis: look it up). Uncle Leo throws in all sorts of charges with no proof, with the sole intent of getting the victim to talk or admit to some charges.
Anyone can be charged with a crime. Proving it is what matters. No proof = charges dropped. Here is some very good information to know about your rights (printable info available): https://www.aclu.org/know-your-rights/what-do-if-youre-stopped-police-immigration-agents-or-fbi.
If the girls were not being careful, they will probably be replaced with those that are more discreet. Everyone gets pinched, but not everyone gets convicted. The services they previously offered will still be there.
The girls will be fine, BB will be fine, and we all can move along with our lives and have fun at our favorite places. Naturally, this is my learned, experienced, and humble opinion.
Be safe.[/QUOTE]G, well said. To follow up on your message to us all, I stopped by today. The lady answering the door was friendly and wore more clothing than I was used to, but I was polite, pleasant, and then recognized as a frequent flyer. While they are very obviously more careful than before, all was well, and I dreamed a wonderful dream.
Be polite to our ladies, and be safe.
Bo.
[QUOTE=KalaFina;3319301]Been talking to owners I know across the state and I've brought up this topic before but none of the codes or tricks they come up with have convinced me that they could work, I am thinking about coming up with a way to let spas statewide know who the ok mongers are and who aren't without the customers knowing this themselves, if a customer knows then uncle will learn it eventually because we all know there is always that one guy out of the bunch, I've already expressed my ideas to some owners in orange and Osceola county talking to some in Tampa and from there onto Clearwater, I brought some talents from there when I went to see an owner I know and he allowed me to take 2 girls back to my city, pretty neat. Too bad there I no other spa at the moment that can offer what cb and bb did, it's a huge blow to the us more than them IMHO.[/QUOTE]Way back in the day spas had frequent flyer cards. When they got raided the cops now had cards they took from mongers that show you've been to this bawdy place or as Florida law states entered a place of prostitution x number of times (punches).
My neighbors car got broken into the same afternoon MBI hit BB. The suspects are still at large. Glad sexy Asian masseuses are no longer causing a menace. Facetious much?
[QUOTE=CallMeMatthew;3311405]So there is a new AMP on Gene st.
[URL]http://orlando.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/grand-opening-excellent-asian-massage-winter-park-new-open-call-now-321-972-9231/18748594[/URL]
I TOFTT and had a decent experience. This is NOT CB or BB. . 7 for an hour. Tip for HE was. 6 - too much but I did not feel like arguing. Overall price was about what you pay elsewhere b / c the door fee was a little less. I was seen by Lisa. There is another girl Sissy? Who was coming in the door when I left. Neither are gorgeous, but Lisa's massage skills were excellent. They are not ugly either. The HE was a workout for her but she was persistent. . Sometimes that happens. Glad she kept going. She has large mm tits that are nice to play with. Tight workout pants stayed put but I managed some roaming with some effort.
Everything was new and very clean. No table shower yet, but I prefer the stand up anyhow to wash off after.
Lisa is very accommodating and wants to make people happy and is looking for more business. So you may get more for less, or not. As always, YMMV. I will likely repeat and see if it gets better, and see if I can get away with less $ out of my wallet. Harold is right around the corner and that is always a sure bet for a good massage where you will leave happy. All in all these places are fairly comparable.[/QUOTE]I saw Lisa as well and will likely repeat. Left. 4 for the same ending. She was very nice and although she didn't remove her top / bottoms, she did pull up her shirt / pull down her bra for me as well as pull down her tights a little and allowed some over the undies roaming. She mentioned that there are currently 3 girls atm, but there will be more next time I come. Also, I think one of you all requested her as she cut my hr session short so she could tend to you, promising to massage me longer next time, but you know how that goes. There also seems to be more available if you repeat.
[QUOTE=KalaFina;3319301]Been talking to owners I know across the state and I've brought up this topic before but none of the codes or tricks they come up with have convinced me that they could work, I am thinking about coming up with a way to let spas statewide know who the ok mongers are and who aren't without the customers knowing this themselves, if a customer knows then uncle will learn it eventually because we all know there is always that one guy out of the bunch, I've already expressed my ideas to some owners in orange and Osceola county talking to some in Tampa and from there onto Clearwater, I brought some talents from there when I went to see an owner I know and he allowed me to take 2 girls back to my city, pretty neat. Too bad there I no other spa at the moment that can offer what cb and bb did, it's a huge blow to the us more than them IMHO.[/QUOTE]Kalafina, how about digital code? Like RQ or Barcode incripted. Then every 6 months or so they have a new code. I think that would work. The hard part would be to convince other owners. Thanks Geaknow.
None of those could work because they would be in the hands of customers, let me tell you guys something that a "regular" did to a provider. Uncle went in and they took the provider away from the monger, they asked her if she had at any time touched or done anything for him other than a massage, she obviously said no, however when they asked the monger he said yes because they told him he'd be in trouble and his family would find out, etc etc, so they basically scared the answer out of him. Bottom point is she was busted along with other ladies now if this happens to owners it is a big deal and more charges are placed on them, they get scared girls don't want to work for them and they don't want to work inside their spa out of fear, now this next part is something you seasoned brothers might be reluctant to believe but I talk nothing but facts. The Chinese massage community know each other the community is much much smaller than you all think and owners / providers who haven't seen each other even in pictures know each other based on their Chinese name / family name and such I have a few contacts that find information for me that I can corroborate and even when they don't know the person I ask information about when and if they ask someone else or talk to provider themselves, thy recognize the dialect and know which area of China they are from and can find out things like, if are they married, have good credit, previous owner's referral, have they stolen from an owner (there many who have done this), do they have a family here, how many children and siblings they have, if they own a house, if they have a lot of money, one owner / provider shares personal information with a friend and that friend shares is with another etc, thing is everyone knows each other and as hard to believe as it is if your atf has been working all her life in Orange County, she can easily learn who a provider / owner from any cities is by just making a few calls, this has created arguments across cities in Florida and when talent comes from out of state that creates a link that goes cross state and it's just a huge mess, the important part is if there was a code or punch card even an owner could turn that information to LEO so this is more complex than just coming up with a simple way, last night I spoke to another owner in Orange County and she is going to set a list of owners who are "sisters" to her, this is the only way, if an owner has enough dirty with evidence on another they cannot backstab each other without anyone finding out in this small community, I know a lot of providers who are thieves and have stolen thousands and thousands from owners, so basically the owners I'm planning to link would be friends and even if they at some point have a dispute they cannot turn each other in because others would turn said person in out of fear she might backstab them others will do the same so that means either all the ones who I link work together or all go down at the same time and I've been around them enough (1 1/2 years in this hobby) to learn and meet key people I am glad I met 3 specific providers who are no longer working in the biz but are a link to providers, sorry for the long post brothers so I'll finish with a question, for those who were able to visit the old Lussis spa when Eva"Ivy", Judy, Joy worked there. How many of you met the actual owner? I don't mean the one mamasan, those who answer I greatly appreciate it, if you don't want to answer it in the forums send me a PM.
[QUOTE=Geaknow;3320925]Kalafina, how about digital code? Like RQ or Barcode incripted. Then every 6 months or so they have a new code. I think that would work. The hard part would be to convince other owners. Thanks Geaknow.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Ds1359;3320615]Permanently shut down according to Google Maps anyway. I can't drive by to confirm in person since I don't get in town until Friday.[/QUOTE]I saw that on Google as well. That happens when someone tells Google that a place is closed. Talk about cat fights. This sounds like a competitor telling Google so we don't go back there. You can submit a report to Google by clicking on the red "closed" banner and telling them it is open.
Be safe and have fun.
[QUOTE=Gentleman100;3320956]I saw that on Google as well. That happens when someone tells Google that a place is closed. Talk about cat fights. This sounds like a competitor telling Google so we don't go back there. You can submit a report to Google by clicking on the red "closed" banner and telling them it is open.
Be safe and have fun.[/QUOTE]I can confirm that Bora Bora is NOT closed. I was there yesterday.
Bo.
[QUOTE=KalaFina;3320954]None of those could work because they would be in the hands of customers, let me tell you guys something that a "regular" did to a provider. Uncle went in and they took the provider away from the monger, they asked her if she had at any time touched or done anything for him other than a massage, she obviously said no, however when they asked the monger he said yes because they told him he'd be in trouble and his family would find out, etc etc, so they basically scared the answer out of him. Bottom point is she was busted along with other ladies now if this happens to owners it is a big deal and more charges are placed on them, they get scared girls don't want to work for them and they don't want to work inside their spa out of fear, now this next part is something you seasoned brothers might be reluctant to believe but I talk nothing but facts. The Chinese massage community know each other the community is much much smaller than you all think and owners / providers who haven't seen each other even in pictures know each other based on their Chinese name / family name and such I have a few contacts that find information for me that I can corroborate and even when they don't know the person I ask information about when and if they ask someone else or talk to provider themselves, thy recognize the dialect and know which area of China they are from and can find out things like, if are they married, have good credit, previous owner's referral, have they stolen from an owner (there many who have done this), do they have a family here, how many children and siblings they have, if they own a house, if they have a lot of money, one owner / provider shares personal information with a friend and that friend shares is with another etc, thing is everyone knows each other and as hard to believe as it is if your atf has been working all her life in Orange County, she can easily learn who a provider / owner from any cities is by just making a few calls, this has created arguments across cities in Florida and when talent comes from out of state that creates a link that goes cross state and it's just a huge mess, the important part is if there was a code or punch card even an owner could turn that information to LEO so this is more complex than just coming up with a simple way, last night I spoke to another owner in Orange County and she is going to set a list of owners who are "sisters" to her, this is the only way, if an owner has enough dirty with evidence on another they cannot backstab each other without anyone finding out in this small community, I know a lot of providers who are thieves and have stolen thousands and thousands from owners, so basically the owners I'm planning to link would be friends and even if they at some point have a dispute they cannot turn each other in because others would turn said person in out of fear she might backstab them others will do the same so that means either all the ones who I link work together or all go down at the same time and I've been around them enough (1 1/2 years in this hobby) to learn and meet key people I am glad I met 3 specific providers who are no longer working in the biz but are a link to providers, sorry for the long post brothers so I'll finish with a question, for those who were able to visit the old Lussis spa when Eva"Ivy", Judy, Joy worked there. How many of you met the actual owner? I don't mean the one mamasan, those who answer I greatly appreciate it, if you don't want to answer it in the forums send me a PM.[/QUOTE]If the monger talks it's a game changer. They now have a non LEO witness that something actually took place. And they can lie to you and say your face is going to be in the 5 o'clock news if you don't say something. Most people will be scared to have their reputation tarnished for their friends and family and employers to see.
So I contacted her via text and no response. My experience is that she generally responds no more than a few hours later. I asked her if she left the business after she left Luxsa and she said no. Maybe this time is different? Anyone with the facts care to share?
Visiting for a couple of days and, although I've rtff, I'd like a couple of definite on a theropist with a big fake rack and FS. BB and CB will be first stop and I've tried Luxsa before but didn't think that was on the menu back then. Please PM any info, thanks.
[QUOTE=Zillow;3321509]So I contacted her via text and no response. My experience is that she generally responds no more than a few hours later. I asked her if she left the business after she left Luxsa and she said no. Maybe this time is different? Anyone with the facts care to share?[/QUOTE]I also would love to know. As I just tried to reach out to her two days ago, with no answer as well. I'm too assume she is retired. Sad tho seems like I lost another ATF.
[QUOTE=Zillow;3321509]So I contacted her via text and no response. My experience is that she generally responds no more than a few hours later. I asked her if she left the business after she left Luxsa and she said no. Maybe this time is different? Anyone with the facts care to share?[/QUOTE]Alas, sadly, it's true. She has retired. I heard a rumor she is moving away too.
[QUOTE=Gentleman100;3321799]Alas, sadly, it's true. She has retired. I heard a rumor she is moving away too.[/QUOTE]So who do we turn to for an independen fbsm that isn't an aamp in the Orlando area? If you guys don't mind a trek to Daytona, Renee out there is excellent. Great massage, great conversation, great appearance. Her body type isn't top heavy like Avalon if you are finicky about that. But as far as Orlando, any recommendations?
I met Nikki from Tara's place but unfortunately got assigned to Laura. Nikki would seem like a good candidate to pick up the mantle.
[QUOTE=Zillow;3321986]So who do we turn to for an independen fbsm that isn't an aamp in the Orlando area? If you guys don't mind a trek to Daytona, Renee out there is excellent. Great massage, great conversation, great appearance. Her body type isn't top heavy like Avalon if you are finicky about that. But as far as Orlando, any recommendations?
I met Nikki from Tara's place but unfortunately got assigned to Laura. Nikki would seem like a good candidate to pick up the mantle.[/QUOTE]If you don't want the AMP experience, try Luxsa. Raquel is a blonde, Southern belle. Selena has a perfect Latina body with great attitude (nice enhancements). Sabrina Skyy is also a great looking Latina (she reminds me of a younger Sofia Vergara). They get new girls all the time, so I would say try Luxsa for an almost-independent-like FBSM experience.
And some of you thought I was a shill for CB and BB. Have safe, clean fun.
[URL]http://orlando.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/latina-princess-for-body-rubs/18637774[/URL] does anyone have any info on this girl thanks brothers.
[QUOTE=Zillow;3321509]So I contacted her via text and no response. My experience is that she generally responds no more than a few hours later. I asked her if she left the business after she left Luxsa and she said no. Maybe this time is different? Anyone with the facts care to share?[/QUOTE]I had sent her a text after the first of the year, a few weeks later she responded who is this saying she lost her phone. We texted back and forth a few times, she said she was OK and text her later that week. I did and never heard back. I know she was going thru personal and family drama before Thanksgiving. Miss her sweet ass among other things and wish her well.