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[QUOTE=RustyMuffler;3307438]Fellas, it is basic Econ 101 - the old supply and demand curve. The gals raise their price, but the men's demand stays the same. So why not charge what the market will allow?

Say they increase their price from $150 to 200, then maybe 1 guy says that's too much. But they can still make $1,200 seeing only 6 guys rather than 8. Less hours worked, less wear and tear on the body, but same $1,200 payoff.

It would take a concerted effort for guys to boycott the gals with the higher rates. The women would really have to feel the pinch before dialing back their fees. And that might take awhile. Can it happen? Yes, I guess anything is possible. Will it happen? Highly unlikely. Mongers are not an organized group. So they can't come together enough to make it work. And the little head makes them too impulsive and willing to pay the higher fares.

The best I have done was to get in on a few indies early, before their prices increased, and hope they grandfather me in at the lower rate. A couple have, but a few haven't. So the pool gets smaller. And I have to do more homework to find new options.

Now I have moved to a new market. Unfortunately, the DMV! Prices here are definitely inflated compared to DFW. I have had a severe case of sticker shock!

Anyone have any ideas how to stop the insanity here in the DMV?[/QUOTE]The market isn't monolithic, nor is it static. There are numerous sub-markets as well as a constant influx and exit of participants. The price structure in Manassas, as just one example, is markedly different from that in Tysons. There's no insanity about it, really. The sticker shock you're experiencing is similar to how you'd feel if you had to buy or rent housing in NYC or SFO.

Hobbyists are never going to band together in any kind of way that can meaningfully affect pricing in the market but, by the same token, neither will providers. The best anyone can do is to play the cards dealt by the market as best they can. And, just like in any card game, that means doing your homework, being disciplined and recognizing when the "flow" is in your favor or going against you.

DMV absolutely has a lot of 150/300 providers but we also have a number of 100/180 and 100/200 ones, as well. I've also noticed quite a few AMPs featuring off-peak specials where you can get a one hr massage and std finish for less than 100. I also keep an eye out for providers posting and reposting their ads in such a way that it indicates they're not getting many clients.

But the bottom line is that mongers with little time (or motivation) for homework and plenty of disposable income will tend to bid up prices. We can recognize and bemoan that fact but the only effective response is to double down on our own efforts.

Anybody dreamt of this Greek goddess? Google doesn't show up anything. I might TOFTT but would still appreciate a heads up.

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Here are few additions to the discussion:

Price is a poor predictor of quality in this market.

Location Location Location. Crystal City near the metro is going to be much higher than Manassas or Woodbridge. Providers that market to Clients arriving by metro to a high end hotel can easily be twice the price, all other things being equal.

Price is often negotiable in particular if you are able to be flexible about time, day, place. However, don't expect to negotiate down for a meeting at a high end hotel in Tysons for a 6 pm appointment. However, if you can do 10 am in Springfield there are may be more options.

Some do some don't negotiate. It just is that way.

Repeat. If you find a provider you like, ask if you can get a better price if you are also flexible on day, time, place.

Go Local. Providers that are local want repeat business. If you make a good impression on them, they may be more likely to be open to negotiation.

[QUOTE=OldBoomer;3307542]There are several Brianna's out there. Which one are you refering to? Is it this one? "Miss Brianna" .

[URL]http://nova.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/assets-hips-legs-and-thighs-oh-my/26425276[/URL][/QUOTE]Oh wow she was here in Alexandria for only a couple days, I missed her! You ask for her Quick for $1. 0 but she not a clock watcher or rusher so I am there for about the half. But this is the girl (link below) her performance is stellar!

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[QUOTE=DCOutlaw;3307089]Recently had a dream where I called Rita for a QV. She didn't look like the photo but better. Enthusiastic and definitely worth a QV or hh. Non GFE.

[URL]http://washingtondc.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/cosa-dulce-fotos-reales-muy-calientes-upscale-hottie-call-me-now/27027236[/URL][/QUOTE]Wow, I almost saw her 1 time a couple weeks ago and she denied me thru text in the hotel hallway. She said no mixed I guess I will never experience her. I guess $ can't buy everything. Sucked because I travelled 30 min out to the woods in Manassas.

Ill text her again.

[QUOTE=OldBoomer;3308672]Here are few additions to the discussion:

Price is a poor predictor of quality in this market.

Location Location Location. Crystal City near the metro is going to be much higher than Manassas or Woodbridge. Providers that market to Clients arriving by metro to a high end hotel can easily be twice the price, all other things being equal.

Price is often negotiable in particular if you are able to be flexible about time, day, place. However, don't expect to negotiate down for a meeting at a high end hotel in Tysons for a 6 pm appointment. However, if you can do 10 am in Springfield there are may be more options.

Some do some don't negotiate. It just is that way.

Repeat. If you find a provider you like, ask if you can get a better price if you are also flexible on day, time, place.

Go Local. Providers that are local want repeat business. If you make a good impression on them, they may be more likely to be open to negotiation.[/QUOTE]She wanted $170 hhr /260 hr when I called. Never pulled the trigger because pic seems fake and I found no reviews. She said she is GFE when I called, but everyone has a dif't interpretation of what that means.

[QUOTE=JmSuttr;3308051]The market isn't monolithic, nor is it static. There are numerous sub-markets as well as a constant influx and exit of participants. The price structure in Manassas, as just one example, is markedly different from that in Tysons. There's no insanity about it, really. The sticker shock you're experiencing is similar to how you'd feel if you had to buy or rent housing in NYC or SFO.

Hobbyists are never going to band together in any kind of way that can meaningfully affect pricing in the market but, by the same token, neither will providers. The best anyone can do is to play the cards dealt by the market as best they can. And, just like in any card game, that means doing your homework, being disciplined and recognizing when the "flow" is in your favor or going against you.

DMV absolutely has a lot of 150/300 providers but we also have a number of 100/180 and 100/200 ones, as well. I've also noticed quite a few AMPs featuring off-peak specials where you can get a one hr massage and std finish for less than 100. I also keep an eye out for providers posting and reposting their ads in such a way that it indicates they're not getting many clients.

But the bottom line is that mongers with little time (or motivation) for homework and plenty of disposable income will tend to bid up prices. We can recognize and bemoan that fact but the only effective response is to double down on our own efforts.[/QUOTE]Those rates make my case. Where's the wear and tear of a non Asian massage with no ts or FS and they asking 150 hh 220 hr and service so so. Providers come here to live because of the prices some mongers pay. Better deals and services if you do your homework and think with the smarter head.

[QUOTE=Metloaf;3309655]Those rates make my case. Where's the wear and tear of a non Asian massage with no ts or FS and they asking 150 hh 220 hr and service so so. Providers come here to live because of the prices some mongers pay. Better deals and services if you do your homework and think with the smarter head.[/QUOTE]Monger review telling others the rush for a underwear hr 220 one pop HJ massage on the other review site for Maria in Springfield. And she quick to say we don't need to do FS with guys like this in the area.

"neral details.

Maria is an ultimate MILF who offers an extremely gratifying professional massage. She does the massage only. She's so beautiful in person. At the rate and lack of FS options, I can't justify seeing her that often. But she does deliver. I'd recommend you go see her as soon as possible".

Poor mongering guiding. His card revoked.

[QUOTE=BrockSampson;3308812]She wanted $170 hhr /260 hr when I called. Never pulled the trigger because pic seems fake and I found no reviews. She said she is GFE when I called, but everyone has a dif't interpretation of what that means.[/QUOTE]Sorry for the mix-up. I'm referring this post.

Greek Goddess Hilary.

Anybody dreamt of this Greek goddess? Google doesn't show up anything. I might TOFTT but would still appreciate a heads up.

[URL]http://nova.backpage.com/WomenSeekMe...s-bbw/26862800[/URL]

I had a fantastic dream with this tiny spinner Asian who was hot as hell and warm & accommodating.

We were in a mid-level hotel in Sterling. She greeted me at the door in a sheer robe. She must have been barely 5 feet tall and weighs maybe 100 pounds.

We talked for a little bit and got comfortable. She said it's her first time in tis area. She wasn't a clock watcher and sounded like she was really into it. I loved it! Not GFE. But so much better than just business-like.

I can't recommend this little spinner enough. Damage was $. For a QV. Totally worth it IMO.

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[quote]Hey.

My name is Lola.

I have a tempting petite frame with long blonde hair.

With an enchanting demeanor and a seductively sweet personality to match.

(702) 5. 4. XXXX2.

Please No Txts / Blocked Calls.

Poster's age: 23.

• Location: Chantilly / sterling / dulles, Northern Virginia.[/quote]

[QUOTE=BrockSampson;3309861]Sorry for the mix-up. I'm referring this post.

Greek Goddess Hilary.

Anybody dreamt of this Greek goddess? Google doesn't show up anything. I might TOFTT but would still appreciate a heads up.

[URL]http://nova.backpage.com/WomenSeekMe...s-bbw/26862800[/URL][/QUOTE]Got it. Thanks. As there are no reviews, I would stay away I guess.

[URL]http://nova.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/hello-to-you-i-want-to-do-things-with-you/27029141[/URL]

Did a little digging and came up with this link:

[URL]http://liveescortreviews.com/ad/seattle/206-769-3429/22/100785/ff[/URL]

Two reviews on the oThER site, first one quite good (GFE) but second reviewer reported major upsell issues. Both are from 2014 so a lot has probably changed since then. I haven't decided whether I want to to take the plunge but if I do it'll definitely be my first priority to get a thorough understanding of available menu options and pricing.

As always, happy hunting and caveat emptor!

[QUOTE=Metloaf;3309736]Monger review telling others the rush for a underwear hr 220 one pop HJ massage on the other review site for Maria in Springfield. And she quick to say we don't need to do FS with guys like this in the area.

"neral details.

Maria is an ultimate MILF who offers an extremely gratifying professional massage. She does the massage only. She's so beautiful in person. At the rate and lack of FS options, I can't justify seeing her that often. But she does deliver. I'd recommend you go see her as soon as possible".

Poor mongering guiding. His card revoked.[/QUOTE]Yea guys need to just drive to Baltimore Maryland for providers they are way cheaper. You this girl Tiffany [URL]http://nova.postfastr.com/TherapeuticMassage[/URL] asking for extra 100 for BBBJ. On top of 160 for 45 min massage. Stop paying these all this money. At end of, the day they really need you more than you need them. Only females affordable in VA are in Woodbridge. Dumfries and Manassas. They aren't super, model's. But cheap service is good service don't,let these females hit you with that good service ain't cheap nonsense.

[QUOTE=Versatilepg;3312083]Yea guys need to just drive to Baltimore Maryland for providers they are way cheaper. You this girl Tiffany [URL]http://nova.postfastr.com/TherapeuticMassage[/URL] asking for extra 100 for BBBJ. On top of 160 for 45 min massage. Stop paying these all this money. At end of, the day they really need you more than you need them. Only females affordable in VA are in Woodbridge. Dumfries and Manassas. They aren't super, model's. But cheap service is good service don't,let these females hit you with that good service ain't cheap nonsense.[/QUOTE]While I haven't had the pleasure, I have no reason to doubt your intel about cheaper providers in Baltimore. The downside of traveling is that, if the provider flakes on you (which happens all too often), you'll have wasted a lot of time. Also, if you're not that familiar with the territory, finding a Plan B option is also more difficult. And if doing homework is important even when you're close to home, it's even more important when you're in a less familiar area.

FWIW, I almost never travel very far to see a provider. What works better for me is to figure out where I'm going to be for work or errands and then to figure out the best provider options for that area. If for some reason the appt falls through, at least the trip wasn't a complete waste. Also, it's easier for me to figure out a good Plan B if I'm in a familiar area. Of course, if something else takes me to Baltimore, I'll definitely do some advance homework and take the plunge.

FYI, I think this is probably the Tiffany you're talking about: [URL]http://nova.postfastr.com/TherapeuticMassage/tiffany-your-all-american-blue-eyed-bombshell-come-enjoy-me/26846989[/URL].

One of my personal rules-of-thumb is to avoid FBSM providers who advertise with a Wix website. I don't know what the deal is but almost every one I've seen uses an a la carte menu with big upcharges for each and every item. I try to stick with well-reviewed providers who don't use that kind of pricing model.

[QUOTE=RustyMuffler;3307438]Fellas, it is basic Econ 101 - the old supply and demand curve. The gals raise their price, but the men's demand stays the same. So why not charge what the market will allow?

Anyone have any ideas how to stop the insanity here in the DMV?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RustyMuffler;3307438]Fellas, it is basic Econ 101 - the old supply and demand curve. The gals raise their price, but the men's demand stays the same. So why not charge what the market will allow?

Now I have moved to a new market. Unfortunately, the DMV! Prices here are definitely inflated compared to DFW. I have had a severe case of sticker shock!

Anyone have any ideas how to stop the insanity here in the DMV?[/QUOTE]You have different tiers of providers that cater to different clientele. For instance, you can find a decent looking (between a 6 and 7, sometimes 8) mid 20's Latina for a QV for. 4 or. 5 in Hyattsville or Takoma Park. They speak Spanish (primarily) and they cater to a certain clientele. That same girl if you dress her up and put her on EROS, show her actual photo in a BP ad, or list her on another site, and she would charge more. Same city / area different price. The price structure often depends on the clientele. Ponder this, why would a woman not just drive 30 minutes to Tysons and get 2 x to 4 x the amount of money, per customer, if she is doing the same thing in Woodbridge or Hyattsville? The reason is because they are providing a service to a certain segment of the population that (1) CANNOT and WILL NOT pay more, or (2) it is the providers' business model. Some providers would rather charge. 6 for 15 minutes and see 4 customers in an hour with a constant flow of business, instead of charging 1. 5 for a half / 300 for an hour and not getting a lot of business due to the price point.

Why would an AMP open up in MD where the women do FS for the same prices or (a little more) than just a HJ in Nova? Why aren't all of the AMP leaving MD and flocking to Nova, particularly since many are operated by the same organizations? We all know women get on a airplane and fly cross country to come hear to make more money for less effort, then why haven't all of the AMPs and Latina condos closed to move to the other side of the river to Nova? The reason is because everything has its place, and their are different tiers of providers, and those tiers have less to do with the appearance of the provider or their location, and more to do with their clientele.

Supply and demand is an issue, but it tends to only be an issue within a tier of provider. In other words, you can get a solid 7 or 8 asian (30's) in PG for FS at 1. 6 (which includes the house fee) at an AMP. You will be treated like a king, given a decent to good massage, and otherwise not feel like you are in the queue waiting for a quick ride like with a good number of BP providers. The AMP doesn't say well, they have Asians at this site for 260 an hour so we are going to raise our rate. The reason is that they are competing with other AMPs that all charge a similar amount for the clientele that they service.

BP is a hodgepodge of a lot of different providers who service different clientele. The 300 per hour provider is not looking for the guy that goes to the. 6 provider, just like the. 6 provider is not looking for the guy who will pay 300 per hour (not to say she wouldn't take him). The problem with BP is that a lot of the women don't have a defined clientele, and by default their clientele becomes what is left. In other words, higher end providers rarely are on BP unless business is very slow, and even then you generally won't see a price. They tend to get their business from other sites or word of mouth. Lower end providers are rarely on BP, and they normally get their business from word of mouth or referrals. The complaints that most people are making comes from the middle group, that have no idea of who their clientele is and they just literally look at other providers' rates in the area and use that as a benchmark. These providers also tend to be independent and they travel a lot.

I liken it to the "Block" in Baltimore. There are various clubs on one Block, with each club with its own vibe and distinct set of clientele. What may cost you. 4 in Circus may cost you 2. 5 in Norma Jeans. The girls in Circus don't say hey, they are doing XYZ for 2. 5 at Norma Jeans, so I am going to raise my rate. If anything, the girls in each club compete with each other for pricing, and market forces are in effect within the specific club. Each club caters to a different type of clientele, and each clientele has a price point. There are some attractive girls at Circus, but more at Norma Jeans. Sometimes girls at Circus will work at Norma Jeans if they can. However, each Club services different types of people.

If you want a young attractive white, asian, or black chic in the Metro Washington DC area, wherein you are paying less than 2. 0 per hour for quality service, then your best bet is to build relationships with girls that are not on BP, meet some strippers that can refer you, or start looking for a UTR girls. Latinas are easy to find if you speak Spanish. If you want a young attractive white, asian, or black girl and you can take a trip to Baltimore, then throw a rock and you will hit one.