"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=BeardedMan67;2281872]She is incredible looking, Hollywood Guy! I would love to live in a place like you do that has so much talent!![/QUOTE]At the the thanksgiving table last night where our family tradition is to recount our blessings, I was so tempted to express my gratitude for living in the land of chocolate milk and honey. But I controlled myself. Just looking at all the old women at that table made me secretly overjoyed that I was getting the ultimate revenge.

But as to the aforementioned talent, I have gone on 7 dates with her so far and counting. I wish she was a little cuter but its a small price to pay for her NP status, perfect body and skill level. She told me on our last date that she is spoiled at home. She basically still lives with her X and all or most of her needs are taken care of. Except for one of course.

Over the holiday, just as I was about to break up with my webcam baby for lack of chemistry and skills, she txts me to break up saying we had an uneven relationship and I was getting the better half of the deal. Meaning she wanted to get paid more (and she will, just not from me). So that was a clean break.

I have really narrowed things down to the chosen few lately. I have quite a few M&G's lined up but as I slowly talk to the girls I can see the UTR status emerge on a few. In the past I would have just banged them once or twice, but now I am going a little slower. It's amazing how beautiful some of them are and all for $. But there is no future for a LTR and that is my ultimate goal. As my friend says, sometimes I like to "toot it and boot it", but 80% + of my donations go to my regulars.

It's great that a UTR will take a $ from an obviously experienced SD. They have been around long enough to know that the no drama type of meeting they will have with a guy like me is well worth the discount. A hard core pro or newbie GPS girl would never do that unless they were overly desperate in some not so good way. They stick to their $$ and more requests, which is good. It keeps them at bay. And yes there are cool NP's and UTR's at $$ in my area. They are usually the 9's and 10's in the looks dept and they know it. If I get rich one day I will travel that road, but for now I will stick with my 7/9's at a $.

The other 2 other reasons I only interview at $. First there is always a number 1 girl that I over spoil so I have to balance that out and second there is no guarantee that paying more gets you a girl with better skills. Better looking for sure, but you can never estimate a girls skills based on how pretty she is.

Well, I tried an experiment hoping that some real SB will convert to an ultralow volume UTR. I rewrote my "what I am looking for" section in SA plainly stating that I was looking for a FC arrangement since I can't date out in the community. I picked up a few UTRs at too high a $, and the little girls just aren't biting. Unfortunately they want the illusion of a non pro. So back to the fake stuff so that they willat least meet me. Usually if I can get them face to face I can prevail. Although the last 3 have not worked out. I got 1 to the FC a couple of times but her PPF was higher than I wanted to pay and she had a pro mentality. Hit the orgasm then OTD. The other M&G was doable but for too much. My latest failed. She agreed to the ride to my town for no intercourse (but I would do her) She went dark.

So I am grateful for the one I have who is OTW as we speak. We will have a rousing good time, I will fill her sweet pussy with cum, then back to my real life. I just like variety as we all do.

In my John days the service from out of town regularly recruited new girls 18 to upper 20's and sent them through. I could count on a new one every week and some were fantastic. They were new to the work, like SBs who needed some extra money, but of course were high volume. I liked the flow of newbies but what I like is a Low volume newbie. They were busted of course.

Happy Thanksgiving all!

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2282566]Well, I tried an experiment hoping that some real SB will convert to an ultralow volume UTR. I rewrote my "what I am looking for" section in SA plainly stating that I was looking for a FC arrangement since I can't date out in the community. I picked up a few UTRs at too high a $, and the little girls just aren't biting. Unfortunately they want the illusion of a non pro. So back to the fake stuff so that they willat least meet me. Usually if I can get them face to face I can prevail. Although the last 3 have not worked out. I got 1 to the FC a couple of times but her PPF was higher than I wanted to pay and she had a pro mentality. Hit the orgasm then OTD. The other M&G was doable but for too much. My latest failed. She agreed to the ride to my town for no intercourse (but I would do her) She went dark.

So I am grateful for the one I have who is OTW as we speak. We will have a rousing good time, I will fill her sweet pussy with cum, then back to my real life. I just like variety as we all do.

In my John days the service from out of town regularly recruited new girls 18 to upper 20's and sent them through. I could count on a new one every week and some were fantastic. They were new to the work, like SBs who needed some extra money, but of course were high volume. I liked the flow of newbies but what I like is a Low volume newbie. They were busted of course.

Happy Thanksgiving all![/QUOTE]Try for the middle ground. I am not going to give out trade secrets. But if you can find a way to do both at the same time you will get responses across the board from the wannabe princesses to the UTR's but not too many hard core pros as they can smell the deception/lack of desperation quite easily. Works for me.

As fate will have it, I was alone for most of the Holiday week.

I did not do too bad: I sampled a new beau (we agreed $$ for three dates), I entertained the one that happened to stay in town and not visit with the family, and I clinched the M&G with the new SA POT (Jewish and very nonchalant) who profusely promised to meet once she is in town, back from up North. ". My ATF was busy working two retail jobs (she needs to show she makes enough from her "open" sources to rent the apartment). I also had the one that went radio-silence texting back saying that she "might" meet in the future when she "can".

So the new week is upon us and they all will come back. Now it is all about figuring out how we can fit each other into our busy schedules. The young black kid I know all too well, the receptionist in my favorite hotel, will smile and "almost" wink. I wonder what he really thinks, seeing me with different young items three times a week. There are moments when I cannot resist smiling back, thinking how smugly I play all these pretty babes to visit the aging ruin, the mere remnant of its old self. As the glib feller, fast to judge, said here recently, do I have internal struggle with shame? Well, I do not have daughter that age, but if I did, I might have had shame issues.

I have noticed a recent trend on SA with young military girls posting. I sampled one last week and she was quite the delight although the gift was $$. I live in Hampton Roads so there is a significant military presence here so maybe it's just a statistical coincidence but it does seem like a new phenom. Anyone else noticed this?

Like many on here I began in the escort world and gravitated to the SB / SD life. However I do still check out the escort boards and sites in my area just to keep up to date and will admit to occasionally indulging myself if I see something irresistible. While searching SA I ran across a profile that sounded vaguely familiar. Sure enough, while perusing eros I ran across an ad with almost the exact same intro paragraph. It's nice when you don't have to work very hard to figure out if the potential SB is a pro. Given her eros profile and website I can't imagine there wouldn't be GPS with her. I may contact her on SA just to find out. Here are the two profiles:

[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/e858d4cb/view?search-created-new[/URL]

[URL]http://www.eros.com/us/georgia/atlanta/files/522277.htm[/URL]

Good Hunting!

Travelin.

Gentlemen,

Well, after a few years of reading this thread and pondering its meaning, I decided to dive headfirst into the sugar bowl and joined SA. And man, all I can ask myself is, why did I wait this long? I would liken it to shooting fish in a barrel, except I think that might require more effort.

In one week on the site, of sending out messages to honeys in my area and getting a few unsolicited inquiries, I have no less than 10 M&Gs scheduled over the next couple of weeks. At this point my biggest concern is how to fit them all in. I'm sure a few will flake but I am pleasantly amazed at how well it's working.

I'm not sure if my area is just significantly under-daddied, or my game is better than I thought. My first one is today with a dirty young thing who I've spent the whole weekend sexting and exchanging naked pics with. She loves S&M and is bringing some implements of the trade with her. She's a single mom, broke, and hasn't had a man in months. I'm really looking forward to this. She readily agreed to $ per date with unspecified "bonuses" here and there. And I think she may want the sex as much as I do.

Anyway, more to come, I'm sure.

My last post did get me thinking about the pro to SB dynamic. I know it's been discussed on here many times. A couple of years ago when I was straddling the escort / sb world more I did meet an pro lady that I really connected with. I talked with her about my sb endeavors and a day after we met she reached out to me via email. We met for lunch and set up an arrangement for $300 per date. One of the reasons I went into the sb world is that in addition to obviously enjoying incredible sex with a 20-something I enjoy going out and socializing with younger women. So, we'd usually do lunch, dinner, or some other social activity followed by at least a couple hours of amazing sex. Her hourly rate for her clients was $350 and I was spending 3-4 hours with her for $300. I thought it was a pretty good deal at the time. I broke it off when I found I could get the same for less, plus she got pregnant to her boyfriend, but that's another story, LOL. I know a lot of guys on here are looking for exclusivity so this type of thing wouldn't work for them, but that aspect didn't really bother me.

I currently am texting back and forth with another pro that I met a few months ago at an agency. Again, we hit it off during the session and she seems interested in spending time with me socially as well as intimately. I'm not sure where it's going and am almost sure I won't be able to afford what she wants, but who knows? Escorts are women too and I think if they connect with someone, they like to go out as much as the next lady and are willing take less to spend time with someone they enjoy being with. Plus, I find usually their lives are so compartmentalized, that they appreciate going out with someone who knows what they do for a living, accepts it and they can talk to about it. A strange dynamic, but sometimes it works.

As a rule though, I certainly agree that it is very difficult to go from escort to SB, especially if you were a successful escort. Unless they meet a whale, there's no way a normal SD could replace the kind of income they make as an escort.

Just some thoughts.

Good Hunting,

Travelin.

[QUOTE=FScott;2274973]In truth, I am seeing more of this sort of thing in the text of new profiles, and don't want to be left behind the curve if this is a new trend among the 20 yos.[/QUOTE]It certainly seems to be among the 20 somethings I am talking to. I've been chatting with several in advance of M&Gs and the talk has turned sexual with three of them. All three say they like bdsm of some level. One is a bit hardcore. That's who I'm going to see this afternoon. We talked long enough that we agreed to just skip the M&G and go straight to the FC.

Over and out.

So I got another day to myself. I really wanted to see the 18 that I had the make out session with about 10 days ago or so. Like I said before, she is a few extra pounds but cute enough, and has a sweet personality. And seems eager for attention. She had suggested we could hang out then I could take her to do a little shopping and a bite to eat. I had put the shopping limit at $.

It's a 50 minute drive and when I got there I wanted to get right to things and she was more than willing. Off to the bedroom, strip down, a lot of kissing, then onto DIY. She is really starting to get into it, I am carrying on and start to insert a digit. Heck, she is tight with just the index finger. She is getting more into it. I bring myself up along side her, suggest that she perform some oral on me. So everything is apparently going great but then her gag reflex kicks in. She feels sick, has to excuse herself. Basically party over. Never had that happen before. We lay together for a short time, then get dress. Sit on couch for a couple of awkward minutes then I excuse myself, leaving with a little bit of cell phone expense money. She was very apologetic and I felt bad for not just hanging out longer but it is a long drive and I figured there was enough time to arrange something else.

So I leave, try to hit up the 20 year old AA I met on POF. She says this week is not good for female reasons but she wanted me to keep trying. So I text 25 year old I met up with a few weeks ago. Once again, not the ideal body type for me but laid back, pretty face and she likes sex. She gets back to me almost right away and we schedule a meet in 90 minutes. She actually meets me a little early (a SB who is punctual? She gets right down to the fun. She is a really good time. Which brings me to another topic and that is motivation and what are in these girls head. And I have come to the conclusion there really isn't one type.

The 18 year old really seems to want attention. She texts me quite frequently just to say hi or say something nice. I have had other POTs or SBs text me first but it is unusually for me to have the SB almost always initiate the chat. The 25 year old basically considers us just "hooking up" as she put it. I don't think she really even thinks of herself as a SB, or UTR or anything. I think she just enjoys sex and thinks if I can help her out, great, but doesn't seem to be the sole purpose of the meet. I am not saying she would meet me otherwise but her approach seems to be more like this what people do in 2014.

Gentlemen,

Clearly I am on the wrong end of the SD / SB equation! I just wrapped up a brief but intense exchange with a baby in my area who signed up on SA on the 29th of November, a day and a half ago. She is a professional musician, and has played with several international orchestras, she says, but all of which, and more, I was able to corroborate through her FB page and a few other internet sites devoted to the music world.

In the course of our exchange, which was going swimmingly I might add, she tells me that she just got back from a 9 month stint in South Korea, and is on her way on Wednesday for 6 months to India! She suggests that we meet Wednesday morning for coffee, and then I could driver her to the airport to catch her flight! She added that I seemed perfect, (which I am) and she was looking forward to spending time with me on an ongoing basis. Puzzled, I asked her how she figured we would be spending time together, what with me being in Chicago and her in Bombay. She told me that her last SD flew out once a month to see her in South Korea, and would take her to Japan for the weekend when he did! WHAT!!! When I expressed my incredulity at this, she replied that clearly I was not the "right kind" of SD for her, and wished me luck in finding someone who was a little more "plebeian, and closer to home. ".

Now I want to know which one of you assholes flew to Korea 9 times to bang this snotty b*tch!

Honestly, I think she is living a rich fantasy life, but I'm wondering who she thought was going to take her up on that "sweet" deal? Honestly, the delusion mixed with gall of some of these babies takes one's breath away at times.

Just thought you all would enjoy a laugh.

Keep up the good work.

Scott.

[QUOTE=VaSD1;2284707]I have noticed a recent trend on SA with young military girls posting. I sampled one last week and she was quite the delight although the gift was $$. I live in Hampton Roads so there is a significant military presence here so maybe it's just a statistical coincidence but it does seem like a new phenom. Anyone else noticed this?[/QUOTE]One of my prettiest SBs was a commissioned officer in the Navy. She was a 10/10 Asian -long glistening black hair and full see cups on a size 2 body. She looked full Asian but her Dad was Caucasian. (hence the big tits). These folks are needy since the Officers can't fraternize with the enlisted men. She was a sex addict and got booted for that very thing. American tits and Asian vagina -OMG!

I highly recommend supporting our Military (women that is).

[QUOTE=FScott;2285155]Gentlemen,

Clearly I am on the wrong end of the SD / SB equation! I just wrapped up a brief but intense exchange with a baby in my area who signed up on SA on the 29th of November, a day and a half ago. She is a professional musician, and has played with several international orchestras, she says, but all of which, and more, I was able to corroborate through her FB page and a few other internet sites devoted to the music world.

In the course of our exchange, which was going swimmingly I might add, she tells me that she just got back from a 9 month stint in South Korea, and is on her way on Wednesday for 6 months to India! She suggests that we meet Wednesday morning for coffee, and then I could driver her to the airport to catch her flight! She added that I seemed perfect, (which I am) and she was looking forward to spending time with me on an ongoing basis. Puzzled, I asked her how she figured we would be spending time together, what with me being in Chicago and her in Bombay. She told me that her last SD flew out once a month to see her in South Korea, and would take her to Japan for the weekend when he did! WHAT!!! When I expressed my incredulity at this, she replied that clearly I was not the "right kind" of SD for her, and wished me luck in finding someone who was a little more "plebeian, and closer to home. ".

Now I want to know which one of you assholes flew to Korea 9 times to bang this snotty b*tch!

Honestly, I think she is living a rich fantasy life, but I'm wondering who she thought was going to take her up on that "sweet" deal? Honestly, the delusion mixed with gall of some of these babies takes one's breath away at times.

Just thought you all would enjoy a laugh.

Keep up the good work.

Scott.[/QUOTE]A laugh indeed!

A fun way to introduce her to realistic expectations in the sugar world would be to set up the meeting and agree to give her a lift to the airport. Try to schedule the meeting as close to the plane departure as she will allow. Confirm multiple times via text as if you're worried she will be a no-show. Then go dark. LOL.

Wait about a day to respond, then reply with an apology for being a no-show or causing her to scramble for a ride to the airport or whatever she complains about, but after her fantastic tale of an SD flying to S Korea to meet her, you thought she wanted to play a game of who can BS the other better.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2285212]One of my prettiest SBs was a commissioned officer in the Navy. She was a 10/10 Asian -long glistening black hair and full see cups on a size 2 body. She looked full Asian but her Dad was Caucasian. (hence the big tits). These folks are needy since the Officers can't fraternize with the enlisted men. She was a sex addict and got booted for that very thing. American tits and Asian vagina -OMG!

I highly recommend supporting our Military (women that is).[/QUOTE]Damn Fred. If she hadn't gotten busted you might have nailed a future Admiral.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2285290]A laugh indeed!

A fun way to introduce her to realistic expectations in the sugar world would be to set up the meeting and agree to give her a lift to the airport. Try to schedule the meeting as close to the plane departure as she will allow. Confirm multiple times via text as if you're worried she will be a no-show. Then go dark. LOL.

Wait about a day to respond, then reply with an apology for being a no-show or causing her to scramble for a ride to the airport or whatever she complains about, but after her fantastic tale of an SD flying to S Korea to meet her, you thought she wanted to play a game of who can BS the other better.[/QUOTE]I like the way you think Jeez. LOL.