"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2272712]So JL, when is hunting season beginning for you this year? I remember the GF might not leave town? It's nice to live vicariously. I feel like I am doing that already. My public dating is nil and I am angling for an UTR that is low volume. So in my profile as to "I'm seeking" I just put no travel, dinner, or drinks, just you and me LOL. We'll see if I scare all of them away. I might try mixed / black. I usually screen for Cauc / Asian, but I have had several great times with the former. They might be easier and cheapr as Hollywood says. After all, I just want a FB to show up and Polish my knob without being the 12th for the day.

Re: POF. I established a profile and got caught in this testing BS that took AN HOUR! When I finally got to screening I hit the age thing too. So we have to put our age under 30 to see these 20 yr olds.

Old girls: So I started screening for up to 40 yrs old thinking they are more desperate. Well so far they are the epitome of GPS AND less appealing t me, so back to the teenies.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately I never know for sure when I will get my next "mancation" from the GF, it depends on her schedule and there's nothing on the immediate horizon in the next few months at least. Sometimes an impromptu trip will arise, it's just hard to predict when. I usually get about a months notice which is usually ample time to make some SB contacts for a little travel play. I've considered creating some "needs for business related travel" for me that is independent of her schedule, but it's so much easier when she travels first because it distracts her from focusing on what I might be doing while she's gone.

Regarding your thoughts on cougars: I used to always think that once a cougar turned the corner (after mid-late thirties or so) they would look in the mirror and say to themselves "ok, I'm not as hot as I used to be, it's time to lower the standards". However, my experience with women has been that either they are generally not as smart as that, or let's put it more tactfully and say that their behavior is more hormone-driven than logical. In other words, they tend to become even more demanding, more bitchy, and less pleasant to be around the older they get. I'm not necessarily saying all females become worthless after 40 (for those of us with wives / girlfriends / mothers / daughters / etc.). I'm saying the kind of women who will advertise themselves on an SB site. Or, better yet it applies to regular civvy dating as well. If they are still single at age 40, there's a good chance they are just plain damaged goods. Sure, some of them end up divorced for reasons that aren't their own fault, but for the most part if they were really a woman worth keeping around, someone married them a long time ago and did just that.

Speaking of which, the other day I was watching Amy Fisher's live web cam. Yes, Joey Buttafuoco's Amy Fisher. She was sitting there on the bed, chubby and looking like a nasty mess, and she was bitching about how nobody would pay $2! She was going "what's wrong fellas, ya like to just show up and try to get a looks fer free do yas"? In a jersey accent. LOL It was the stereotypical hormonal rant, but she was chastising potential customers -- some of the worst salesmanship I've ever seen. I was just sitting there laughing, refraining from saying things like "come on Amy, calm down, nobody wants to get shot in the head here". But I took the high road and did not. She eventually logged off.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2272712]
Old girls: So I started screening for up to 40 yrs old thinking they are more desperate. Well so far they are the epitome of GPS AND less appealing t me, so back to the teenies.[/QUOTE]Can't get one to save my life.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2273269]
Regarding your thoughts on cougars: I used to always think that once a cougar turned the corner (after mid-late thirties or so) they would look in the mirror and say to themselves "ok, I'm not as hot as I used to be, it's time to lower the standards". However, my experience with women has been that either they are generally not as smart as that, or let's put it more tactfully and say that their behavior is more hormone-driven than logical. In other words, they tend to become even more demanding, more bitchy, and less pleasant to be around the older they get. [/QUOTE]The one I've met advertised to be 40 but was closer to 50 and wanted $$ per hit! I nearly choked laughing.

[QUOTE=SlowMo;2273836]The one I've met advertised to be 40 but was closer to 50 and wanted $$ per hit! I nearly choked laughing.[/QUOTE]Regardless of age, women are usually terrible at negotiating. They don't have the competitive streak men do (that might change as they get older and gain life skills, I'm not sure because I've never tried talking allowance amount with anyone over the age of 23).

When the subject is left alone, often they will be happy with whatever you give them simply because they were never required to negotiate. HOWEVER, if we ASK them how much they want, it's going to be a ridiculous amount. Why? A number of reasons really but some are that they generally don't have a clear understanding of the realistic value of money, they are basing the amounts off "upper end" fees they've heard about on TV. But also because we've put them through the possible pain of negotiation, something they know they are lousy at, so the get defensive and start high. Unfortunate, because unlike buying a used car, trying to discount the amount means that we have to figure out ways to gentle *DEVALUE THEM PERSONALLY* (think about that for a moment, it's different to say to someone "I feel your car is worth 60% of what you've asked" than it is to say "I feel YOU are worth less than what you've asked" Some of them take personal devaluation better than others -- if they seem thick skinned and negotiate their pussy readily, it's probably because they are a hardened pro. I think avoidance of talking money up front is one reason most of my M&Gs have worked out. The few times I asked them what they were looking for, it backfired on me as their expectations are never realistic. When I gift them after the fact, they always thank me for it, nobody has ever expressed disappointment.

I know some others report a very different experience by setting a maximum rate with a take it or leave it approach, and I can see how that works in certain markets with certain demographics, but at least for my "occasional" hobby I've found my own method of avoiding money talk, getting to the M&G and into the FC before the issue of money comes up works best.

When I get a GPS number back from a Pot and she acts insulted by my pawltry she usually says she is "worth" more than $X. Ithen tell them that they are priceless. But my budget restraint is the number I mentioned. How do you argue with being considered priceless?

[QUOTE=SlowMo;2273836]The one I've met advertised to be 40 but was closer to 50 and wanted $$ per hit! I nearly choked laughing.[/QUOTE]I don't know what happened to the extra signs, this was supposed to read 500, not 200. Otherwise, it's comical, but not laugh out loud roll on the floor type thing. Sigh.

[QUOTE=SlowMo;2274465]I don't know what happened to the extra signs, this was supposed to read 500, not 200. Otherwise, it's comical, but not laugh out loud roll on the floor type thing. Sigh.[/QUOTE]Always read your post after you submit it. There is an auto correct feature that may not always display the txt as you intended it. You have one hour to edit the post.

[QUOTE=SlowMo;2274465]I don't know what happened to the extra signs, this was supposed to read 500, not 200. Otherwise, it's comical, but not laugh out loud roll on the floor type thing. Sigh.[/QUOTE]Oh I thought it was pretty funny even at 200 for a 50 year old "sugarbaby".

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2274435]When I get a GPS number back from a Pot and she acts insulted by my pawltry she usually says she is "worth" more than $X. Ithen tell them that they are priceless. But my budget restraint is the number I mentioned. How do you argue with being considered priceless?[/QUOTE]Turning the discount into a complement is actually a very good way to handle it.

[QUOTE=Playa12;2273095]Fuck it, I'm moving to LA. LOL.[/QUOTE]My comment makes more sense when the pictures of the Hollywood Guy's tomboy princess are attached. LOL. NOTHING like that in my market.

[QUOTE=Playa12;2274681]My comment makes more sense when the pictures of the Hollywood Guy's tomboy princess are attached. LOL. NOTHING like that in my market.[/QUOTE]The post under your original comment is the "pillow princess". Here is the "tomboy princess". Similar body types except this one is 5'11" and the other one is only 5'5". Plus she (TBP) flaked on me last night with an explanation. And is almost at the flaking point tonite. So a little frustrating.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2274715]The post under your original comment is the "pillow princess". Here is the "tomboy princess". Similar body types except this one is 5'11" and the other one is only 5'5". Plus she (TBP) flaked on me last night with an explanation. And is almost at the flaking point tonite. So a little frustrating.[/QUOTE]She did come through for date #4 tonite. I think we are on our way now. I started calling her my GF and she knows all about my regulars, so she is the one I am going to see the most for now. My x txted me during our date and I called her at 1 am when I got home and told her I was out on a date. She didnt say a word about it. So we talked for the next half hour about other stuff. All is well.

My Brothers,

Contrary to speculation, I have not been in lock down, nor have I been caught by my SO, just incredibly busy with house moves, apartment renovations, and settling back into the Bowl. I have been enjoying reading the exploits of a new group of members in our little club, and am putting a request out to the assembled brethren for some information.

I currently have two sweet young babies on the line, one of whom I will hopefully be luring to the FC on Monday, and both of them admit that they are looking to explore their submissive sides with some light domination, ala Christian Grey. There is no way I am going to read the book, so I am reaching out to you all to see if anyone can define a few words that keep turning up in convos with these little fish. In truth, I am seeing more of this sort of thing in the text of new profiles, and don't want to be left behind the curve if this is a new trend among the 20 yos.

So here are the words and a sentence I'm looking to have explained:

1. Pet.

2. Priority and prioritizing.

3. Isolation.

4. "I daydream of being owned by a generous and controlling daddy, of being prioritized and punished. ".

Now I recognize that some of these things can be understood by context, but I want to be sure that they are not significant code words for something specific. This is not a world I am familiar with beyond the occasional spanking that some babies seem to like, and I am eager to make a good impression haha!

I am guessing that these girls are not really into the hard-core world of BDSM, but more like Bondage Lite.

I appreciate any guidance in this area. Both of these babies are extremely hot in a nerdy, girl-next-door way, and I find the whole 50 shades thing very compelling in these cases. Kind of like spanking the hot librarian!

Peace,

Scott.

In general, I never look at profiles past 35. The young ones might be flakier, and harder at times to pin down because they are the most sought-after on SB sites, but if you've got game, and you bring it from the very first contact, you should be able to land just about any one you pick. At least that's been my experience.

Some are just psycho cases, and others have severe cases of GPS, but all in all I'd rather pursue, and fuck, the 20 somethings and their older sisters than their moms. I've already got one of those at home. Just sayin'.

Scott.

She has a inkling and has had a taste of the lifestyle. How much?? Not sure but does have an interest. Just start lite. Some bondage. Little hair pulling. Dirty talk. Spanking. And just progress each time a little bit further. Example: . As she is tied up and you have her ankles around your head and are caressing her breasts gently slide your hand over her neck. How does she respond? Does she kinda grin. Tilt her head back? She wants some additional pressure. Just a little further each time. When it gets more forceful just whisper "too much". And let her respond. Go from there!

[QUOTE=FScott;2274973]My Brothers,

Contrary to speculation, I have not been in lock down, nor have I been caught by my SO, just incredibly busy with house moves, apartment renovations, and settling back into the Bowl. I have been enjoying reading the exploits of a new group of members in our little club, and am putting a request out to the assembled brethren for some information.

I currently have two sweet young babies on the line, one of whom I will hopefully be luring to the FC on Monday, and both of them admit that they are looking to explore their submissive sides with some light domination, ala Christian Grey. There is no way I am going to read the book, so I am reaching out to you all to see if anyone can define a few words that keep turning up in convos with these little fish. In truth, I am seeing more of this sort of thing in the text of new profiles, and don't want to be left behind the curve if this is a new trend among the 20 yos.

So here are the words and a sentence I'm looking to have explained:

1. Pet.

2. Priority and prioritizing.

3. Isolation.

4. "I daydream of being owned by a generous and controlling daddy, of being prioritized and punished. ".

Now I recognize that some of these things can be understood by context, but I want to be sure that they are not significant code words for something specific. This is not a world I am familiar with beyond the occasional spanking that some babies seem to like, and I am eager to make a good impression haha!

I am guessing that these girls are not really into the hard-core world of BDSM, but more like Bondage Lite.

I appreciate any guidance in this area. Both of these babies are extremely hot in a nerdy, girl-next-door way, and I find the whole 50 shades thing very compelling in these cases. Kind of like spanking the hot librarian!

Peace,

Scott.[/QUOTE]