[QUOTE=Howard5354;3981721]Where is all the good pussy hiding in Madison? Years ago we had Mercesdes, Brooklyn, Alexis4 U, and many many more. Now its crickets. Nothing![/QUOTE]Wherever it is, it ain't slinging where I can find it.
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[QUOTE=Howard5354;3981721]Where is all the good pussy hiding in Madison? Years ago we had Mercesdes, Brooklyn, Alexis4 U, and many many more. Now its crickets. Nothing![/QUOTE]Wherever it is, it ain't slinging where I can find it.
My last two CG encounters were easily two of the best sexual experiences of my life. Just pure bliss, both girls were 10's.
[QUOTE=Howard5354;3981721]Where is all the good pussy hiding in Madison? Years ago we had Mercesdes, Brooklyn, Alexis4 U, and many many more. Now its crickets. Nothing![/QUOTE]
Come up on switter. [URL]https://switter.at/@oliviasexy[/URL] Anyone know anything. Looks TGTBT but something about the photos seems a bit real. Not sure.
[QUOTE=MiloMadison;3983107]Come up on switter. [URL]https://switter.at/@oliviasexy[/URL] Anyone know anything. Looks TGTBT but something about the photos seems a bit real. Not sure.[/QUOTE]"She" wants you to make a deposit up front via gift card.
So there seems to be a rash of girls asking for pics of clients. Sometimes even 'intimate' pics. Do people do that? I get that, "DANGER WILL ROBINSON" vibe anytime I get asked for something like that. I did take a pic that covers half my face that I was thinking about using, but it just seems like a bad idea to put your face next to your text messages in this day and age. Am I just being paranoid? And no fuckin way am I sending a girl a pic of my junk. WTF?
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There was a Nicole providing service in the Madison area. I want to say it was somewhere real close like Sun Prairie or somewhere just outside of Madison. There aren't that many 6 foot amazons in the business, so I'm thinking it must be. Same basic look, but older and heavier (a little of that going around). Just curious. Sometimes service gets better with age and experience (sometimes not). She was hotter back then, but kinda starfishy in the service department.
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Was all set to go, but needed directions for gps and she just quit responding. Texted her the next morning and she acted like she didn't remember what the deal was. Too bad, she's kinda hot in a 'trampy girl-next-door' way.
How was their screening? I'm hesitant to share that kind of information but it sounds more and more worth it given the current state of things.
[QUOTE=Cs101;3982988]My last two CG encounters were easily two of the best sexual experiences of my life. Just pure bliss, both girls were 10's.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=GoodStuff;3983233]How was their screening? I'm hesitant to share that kind of information but it sounds more and more worth it given the current state of things.[/QUOTE]It depends on your personal risk profile. Look at what they ask for and think carefully. But it wasn't as bad as I expected. And I have no regrets so far.
[QUOTE=Pm150;3983111]"She" wants you to make a deposit up front via gift card.[/QUOTE]I actually read. Thanks for pointing that out. Bummer as I liked the pictures. Be safe out there and have a great weekend.
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Was all set to go, but needed directions for gps and she just quit responding. Texted her the next morning and she acted like she didn't remember what the deal was. Too bad, she's kinda hot in a 'trampy girl-next-door' way.[/QUOTE]I haven't seen her. I spoke with her. Sounded like she's smoked a few acres of cigarettes in her life. Very gravely voice. Huge turn off for me. It wouldn't surprise me if those pics are at least 10 years old or more.
I'm curious if anyone has seen her.
[QUOTE=VericB;3983186][URL]http://madison.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/caucasian_e/just-waiting-for-you-to-call/215662166791[/URL]
There was a Nicole providing service in the Madison area. I want to say it was somewhere real close like Sun Prairie or somewhere just outside of Madison. There aren't that many 6 foot amazons in the business, so I'm thinking it must be. Same basic look, but older and heavier (a little of that going around). Just curious. Sometimes service gets better with age and experience (sometimes not). She was hotter back then, but kinda starfishy in the service department.[/QUOTE]I don't know her from before, but others who did say it's the same Nicole. I saw her recently. Her hh at that time was only $60, so I figured why not. You get what you pay for. We had negotiated DFK and during the session she was reluctant with kissing. I remember very little else other than a feeling of being rushed and that she was somewhat distant and almost cold. Cordial, maybe. But not warm and friendly. A very forgettable experience, sadly.
I'd only repeat out of desperation. But I would be a fool to expect the underlying warmth to change.
[QUOTE=VericB;3983180]So there seems to be a rash of girls asking for pics of clients. Sometimes even 'intimate' pics. Do people do that? I get that, "DANGER WILL ROBINSON" vibe anytime I get asked for something like that. I did take a pic that covers half my face that I was thinking about using, but it just seems like a bad idea to put your face next to your text messages in this day and age. Am I just being paranoid? And no fuckin way am I sending a girl a pic of my junk. WTF?[/QUOTE]I've sent face pics in the past, but I adopted a rule to never do that. You really have no idea where this girl's phone is going to end up. In the hands of LE? Or her crazy pimp? You just don't want to expose yourself to that kind of leverage.
Of course, same could be said about this whole silly hobby. Parking your car in some east side hotel parking lot? LOL. What fools we are. Chasing these girls as they swirl down the drain.
I have no problem sending pics of my dick. Like I don't think that's going to be easy to associate with me, so who cares. The underlying premise of course is absurd. They want the dick pic to prove you're not LE. Yes, they really are that dumb.
[QUOTE=Pm150;3983111]"She" wants you to make a deposit up front via gift card.[/QUOTE]I saw her ad on Switter as well and emailed her for appointments. She only had email address as contact info, which I hate because communication is delayed and I'm more of on the fly as far as my availability. After a few delayed back and forth emails I asked for her number, which she gave. First day didn't work out and tried again the next via text. Sent one in the AM and crickets. Replied after a few hours and mentioned I should "prebook" and wanted half upfront. No thanks.
Gut feel tells me she's real (pics appear real to me) and just tries to imitate the screening methods of the top notch escorts on Switter.
I'm going to try and give her another go this week and will report back.
[QUOTE=VericB;3983180]So there seems to be a rash of girls asking for pics of clients. Sometimes even 'intimate' pics. Do people do that? I get that, "DANGER WILL ROBINSON" vibe anytime I get asked for something like that. I did take a pic that covers half my face that I was thinking about using, but it just seems like a bad idea to put your face next to your text messages in this day and age. Am I just being paranoid? And no fuckin way am I sending a girl a pic of my junk. WTF?[/QUOTE]I've had this twice in the last couple days. I simply reply no I'm not doing that. They are thinking it's a pre LEO check. If everyone says no they will eventually have to cave. I wouldn't send a picture of anything except maybe Dick Van Dyke.
[QUOTE=PopeyeMadison;3983784]I don't know her from before, but others who did say it's the same Nicole. I saw her recently. Her hh at that time was only $60, so I figured why not. You get what you pay for. We had negotiated DFK and during the session she was reluctant with kissing. I remember very little else other than a feeling of being rushed and that she was somewhat distant and almost cold. Cordial, maybe. But not warm and friendly. A very forgettable experience, sadly.
I'd only repeat out of desperation. But I would be a fool to expect the underlying warmth to change.[/QUOTE]Does anyone know if Nichole (with an h) is still around? When I used to go to Madison she was easy to line up time with and delivered a wonderful GFE. She was a bit on the heavy side but that never bothered me because she always delivered on the service.
[QUOTE=X8686;3983255]It depends on your personal risk profile. Look at what they ask for and think carefully. But it wasn't as bad as I expected. And I have no regrets so far.[/QUOTE]Ditto. CG's screening is more intrusive than what you'd get from a typical STG provider for sure. But it's pretty much in line with what most high-quality touring providers ask for. Obviously not for everybody. But if you want to boink (and kiss and get blown bb by) extremely hot girls in a better hotel with no fear of getting strong-armed by a pimp / boyfriend, this is part of the price of admission. I will also add that while CG costs a bit more than local skanks, it is a bargain if you become VIP (which is easy) and have the time flexibility to take advantage of last-minute bargain offers, which come up fairly often. For me, the level of service you get from CG is worth the risk. Sorry for sounding like an ad. But my couple of experiences with them have been quite satisfying.
[QUOTE=GoodStuff;3983233]How was their screening? I'm hesitant to share that kind of information but it sounds more and more worth it given the current state of things.[/QUOTE]I mean, they want to know who you are. All you're giving is who you are and where you work; no financial information. They're not going to send cops and felons into hotel rooms with their girls, who are in the city alone. So you're not going to remain anonymous. But any girl outside the realm of the STG (6's and down) is going to want to see your I'd. Run a basic search; make sure you're not a threat to them.
[QUOTE=Sanctimonious6;3983870]Ditto. CG's screening is more intrusive than what you'd get from a typical STG provider for sure. But it's pretty much in line with what most high-quality touring providers ask for. Obviously not for everybody. But if you want to boink (and kiss and get blown bb by) extremely hot girls in a better hotel with no fear of getting strong-armed by a pimp / boyfriend, this is part of the price of admission. I will also add that while CG costs a bit more than local skanks, it is a bargain if you become VIP (which is easy) and have the time flexibility to take advantage of last-minute bargain offers, which come up fairly often. For me, the level of service you get from CG is worth the risk. Sorry for sounding like an ad. But my couple of experiences with them have been quite satisfying.[/QUOTE]I second this. We've had this discussion several times. Those of us using CG are in love with it, and the ones not using it think we're crazy. I don't want to get another post deleted for being argumentative, so I'll just say STG and CG present different forms of risk. Make up your own mind on which type of risk you are willing to take. But I will say that once you're past the screening, CG is literally the perfect escort experience that everyone here is desperately searching for (and almost always failing to find). I know it because I read all your guys' posts.
[QUOTE=VericB;3983186][URL]http://madison.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/caucasian_e/just-waiting-for-you-to-call/215662166791[/URL]
There was a Nicole providing service in the Madison area. I want to say it was somewhere real close like Sun Prairie or somewhere just outside of Madison. There aren't that many 6 foot amazons in the business, so I'm thinking it must be. Same basic look, but older and heavier (a little of that going around). Just curious. Sometimes service gets better with age and experience (sometimes not). She was hotter back then, but kinda starfishy in the service department.[/QUOTE]I've not seen her since her return but saw her a couple times back in the day. Yes she had legs for days! Tall Amazonish lady. Service then was kind of ok. Doing BJ her jaw would get tired after s few minutes. I don't remember whether kissing was on the menu and something about her back couldn't do some positions. I would think service wouldn’t have improved over the years just my opinion. I saw her when she first started and after her return from a little county vacation time. The second time around was less than the first. That's why I think the tried is not going to be the charm. But at 60.00 you get your rocks off.
[QUOTE=BooRadley72;3982067]I think I misinterpreted things here. I thought he walked in on your session at the end, and was telling you that he was her owner and was telling you to bounce. Any guy that claims ownership in a junkie stuation is scum. Now if he was referring to the owner of the hotel and was warning you, that's still strange abd awkward, but not the fucked up situation it sounded like.[/QUOTE]I think it was both. She gave the donation to someone outside the door, then when I wanted to leave (the same person I assume) came in the room talking about having to wait in the room because the motel owner was around. I'm just not cut out for these types of encounters.
Anyone seen / heard from Jade? I don't see her posting anymore!!
How about Angel (link below) - any one met Angel?
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[QUOTE=MadJockey;3984166]I've not seen her since her return but saw her a couple times back in the day. Yes she had legs for days! Tall Amazonish lady. Service then was kind of ok. Doing BJ her jaw would get tired after s few minutes. I don't remember whether kissing was on the menu and something about her back couldn't do some positions. I would think service wouldnt have improved over the years just my opinion. I saw her when she first started and after her return from a little county vacation time. The second time around was less than the first. That's why I think the tried is not going to be the charm. But at 60.00 you get your rocks off.[/QUOTE]I asked her recently, no dfk.
[QUOTE=TommyMke;3984460]Anyone seen / heard from Jade? I don't see her posting anymore!!
How about Angel (link below) - any one met Angel?
[URL]http://madison.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/caucasian_e/new-to-town-fun-young-wild-wet/358253797420[/URL][/QUOTE]There was a recent report on Angel that sounded promising. I tried to contact but was unsuccessful.
Was looking a bbw last night was up for something new. Seen leelee on adult search every once in a while and decided to hit her up was quoted. 8 for qv and 100 hhr so I went with hhr. She had an incall at her apt so after a quick screen I was good to go. Showed up and she was bubbly and nice. Covered me up and started eating me up. No teeth scratching and deep throating with no gag. I was good to go she bent over told me to go slow and damn she was tight and after a few thrusts in she tightened up again and her ass had a mini spasm. 10 minutes into thrusting and her moans got louder and she was wet as hell down there. She ended up throwing it back for the remainder of the session. After that we talked had a few laughs and I was on my way. If your a bbw fan I recommend.
[QUOTE=SandFourMan;3984615]Was looking a bbw last night was up for something new. Seen leelee on adult search every once in a while and decided to hit her up was quoted. 8 for qv and 100 hhr so I went with hhr. She had an incall at her apt so after a quick screen I was good to go. Showed up and she was bubbly and nice. Covered me up and started eating me up. No teeth scratching and deep throating with no gag. I was good to go she bent over told me to go slow and damn she was tight and after a few thrusts in she tightened up again and her ass had a mini spasm. 10 minutes into thrusting and her moans got louder and she was wet as hell down there. She ended up throwing it back for the remainder of the session. After that we talked had a few laughs and I was on my way. If your a bbw fan I recommend.[/QUOTE]Link pretty please?
[QUOTE=TommyMke;3984460]Anyone seen / heard from Jade? I don't see her posting anymore!!
How about Angel (link below) - any one met Angel?
[URL]http://madison.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/caucasian_e/new-to-town-fun-young-wild-wet/358253797420[/URL][/QUOTE]I think Jade took another hike. Tried to contact her several times (not in the same day! And never got a response.
[QUOTE=PopeyeMadison;3983788]I've sent face pics in the past, but I adopted a rule to never do that. You really have no idea where this girl's phone is going to end up. In the hands of LE? Or her crazy pimp? You just don't want to expose yourself to that kind of leverage.
Of course, same could be said about this whole silly hobby. Parking your car in some east side hotel parking lot? LOL. What fools we are. Chasing these girls as they swirl down the drain.
I have no problem sending pics of my dick. Like I don't think that's going to be easy to associate with me, so who cares. The underlying premise of course is absurd. They want the dick pic to prove you're not LE. Yes, they really are that dumb.[/QUOTE]Thanks, I appreciate the responses. Helps me get a little perspective on it.
In my own (admittedly lame) attempts to research the issue, I did run across one thing that stuck out in my mind. It seems that the main issue you have with sending any 'intimate' type pic via phone (or I suppose any medium really) is the unknown variable on the receiver's end.
I realize this is paranoid, but bear with me a little. There are some people (LEO and non-LEO) who think hobbyists are the greatest of all evils. And almost any means of tricking / harassing / exposing / punishing them are morally justified. Honeypot traps are laid by uncle LEO and even some private citizen crusaders to try and trip them up. Usually there are clues if you look, but some can be convincing.
So envision a scenario where one of these folks uses a number registered to a minor to initiate one of these exchanges. The sad truth is that it really doesn't matter much what they did to try and entrap you (except maybe once you get to the point of lawyers and court and legal specifics. And lets be clear, once it's gotten this far, you more than likely have been exposed and faced some pretty serious consequences in the process), the vast majority of opinion is going to be strongly against you. Most of us are well aware that there are certain accusations that can be leveled. With absolutely no proof whatsoever. That can be devastating. Everybody loves a witch-hunt. And you don't want to be the witch.
Again, I understand that this is pretty low possibility scenario, but it kinda sent chills down my spine when I started thinking about it.
Obviously, everybody has to make their own decisions about the risks they're willing to take and I wish you well. But I'm feeling like caution is warranted.
[QUOTE=DaveBrewer1965;3980406]Spot on. She is gorgeous, but she is definitely being managed. When I wanted to leave the room her manager came into the room and kept saying "the owner is around". I basically had to brush him aside to get the hell out of there. She is also a user she had track marks all over her right arm. Experiences like this are going to drive me into a new hobby.[/QUOTE]I attempted this one. This was about the worst location I could imagine in Madtown and not immediately bail. She then had me wait "until she was ready. " I always warn them I have a 15 minute "at most" tolerance. Within that 15 minutes I had at least 1 questionable character walking by my car every minute. I'm sure at least one of them was a look out, reporting back. After my aforementioned 15 minutes, I was out of there faster than I've ever left before. Maybe I missed out on something awesome, but I'd rather be safe.
[QUOTE=Cs101;3984142]I second this. We've had this discussion several times. Those of us using CG are in love with it, and the ones not using it think we're crazy. I don't want to get another post deleted for being argumentative, so I'll just say STG and CG present different forms of risk. Make up your own mind on which type of risk you are willing to take. But I will say that once you're past the screening, CG is literally the perfect escort experience that everyone here is desperately searching for (and almost always failing to find). I know it because I read all your guys' posts.[/QUOTE]I too have to agree with this. I had been hedging on this one for a while. I suppose that I am lucky in that my personal and employment situation are such that the risk of something like this is extremely minimal. Thus far I've had 2 experiences with CG and both were outstanding. There isn't much on STG that can compare. My only reservation is that I'm the type of guy that typically accomplishes everything that I want in 30 minutes. This is not an option for CG. At this price point I was skeptical, but thus far I'm thinking I might be happier with fewer experiences my budget can afford with CG.
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Ok, I get the feeling that there may be a little backlash on this one as (if you believe her) she has some loyal followers. Her big draw is supposed to be "nothing but top notch GFE service". I was very nice throughout the entire session. I didn't do or say anything to make her feel weird. I respected her boundaries. BUT. I would have expected a relatively strong GFE game given what I read. Honestly, I found her GFE game to be extremely weak.
We did end up having a fairly lengthy talk at the end and discussed a bit of history and the current state of the game in Madison. It seemed to me that she kind of considered herself as sort of an 'elder' (think wise one not geriatric) of the game in Madison. And also a bit like she thought she should have some input on regulating what others do. That part bugged me a bit. She proceeded to tell me a kind of half-assed moral tale about somebody doing something that she clearly didn't approve of and some drastic (life threatening type) consequences that resulted.
I know there is a real issue these days with people interpreting GFE in different ways and it makes it particularly confusing for hobbyists to know what a provider is actually trying to say. And let's be honest, some of them are just flat out lying when they add that tag to their posts. By the way, if anybody knows a tried and tested method of ironing out those details with a provider BEFORE you part with a pile of cash, I'd be really interested in hearing about it.
Back to Kali. We did discuss that issue of vagueness regarding the details of GFE. Of course, she emphasized to me that she had checked with many hobbyists and they almost all backed her up on her version of it. Bleh. I'm sorry, her version is weak sauce. It just is. Even if you don't subscribe to the 'full GFE' or 'ultimate GFE' versions of the term. Hers is still a pale imitation of good GFE service.
Anyway. She IS a nice lady, but I felt like she was one of those kinda post-'hot girl complex' girls-- we've all met them. Hot young things (not dangerous young, mind you) who figure everybody should shower them with cash and they can just sneer at the pathetic masses-- so my meaning is somebody who USED to be that hot, but has aged to the point that they realize that won't fly anymore. She's certainly not ugly, but age takes it's toll on everyone eventually. The vibe I got was that she still felt like she was hot enough that she didn't really need to work very hard at the GFE service she was claiming.
It cost me a pretty penny to learn that particular piece of info and I would not be surprised if I get some flames if she actually does have a bit a regular following. All I can do is describe my personal experience and the opinions I formed after talking to her quite a bit during that session. I do think that some folks seeing her ad would feel fooled and possibly short-changed if they read it and set up an appointment like I did. Maybe this will save somebody some heart-burn / irrirtation / frustration.
Anything you got on any of these would be appreciated. It's more info than I have now (be as discreet as you like). I know I listed a bunch, but. Daddy like. :
Honey.
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Latina Roxy.
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Naomi ThaManeater.
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Nia.
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Pinky (you know it's got to be 'and The Brain' right?
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And no-name hot big-booty girl (sorry, they should post a name if they don't want me to make one up.).
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[QUOTE=SconnieNation7;3984900]Link pretty please?[/QUOTE]This might be the one.
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[QUOTE=NoDamage;3971565]Went and visited a new girl brought here by an operation a lot of us are familiar with. No longer using a house, instead a east side Notel.
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Setup was via text; once to make an appt. And again at the location.
Mid-age Asian woman. Pretty face, wears glasses. I asked her to leave them on for the session. Average body, with a bit of extra weight. Large boobs and nipples. Friendly personality, English was ok. Kissing on the lips, CBJ, CFS. Pretty standard Asian experience. CBJ was a bit better than average. She was enthusiastic, which was a plus. She wasn't sure how long she would stay.[/QUOTE]I texted this number on Friday when I was coming thru town and she was at a notel on the eastside like before. In my dream she was about 30-35 but didn't have any extra weight. Nice bolt ons and liked to have them sucked on. The end was pretty interesting. Just as I was getting ready to fill the bag she came too and hung tight with her arms and legs. Threw me off a little, but I went with it and pounded harder until the bag was full. Hopefully I can get back in the area before she is gone.
[QUOTE=MelterMan;3985319]I too have to agree with this. I had been hedging on this one for a while. I suppose that I am lucky in that my personal and employment situation are such that the risk of something like this is extremely minimal. Thus far I've had 2 experiences with CG and both were outstanding. There isn't much on STG that can compare. My only reservation is that I'm the type of guy that typically accomplishes everything that I want in 30 minutes. This is not an option for CG. At this price point I was skeptical, but thus far I'm thinking I might be happier with fewer experiences my budget can afford with CG.[/QUOTE]I've gone for two in all my CG visits except a couple. Most of the girls are so hot that I have no problem pitching again in short rest.
Anyone have any info or insight into this one? I haven't been able to find anything as of yet.
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[QUOTE=RawlSocket;3985192]I think Jade took another hike. Tried to contact her several times (not in the same day! And never got a response.[/QUOTE]Jade replied to my text and said she was unable to host. Since I wanted incall I didn't bother taking it any further. So my guess is she's still in Madison but unable to host. Same thing with Jenn too.
[QUOTE=GoodStuff;3985888]Anyone have any info or insight into this one? I haven't been able to find anything as of yet.
[URL]http://madison.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/caucasian_w/melissa-ready-to-have-some-fun/547716955817[/URL][/QUOTE]The location says Milwaukee, which I've noticed quite a bit in ads posted lately.
[QUOTE=SconnieNation7;3984900]Link pretty please?[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.adultlook.com/p/2939494[/URL]
[QUOTE=GoodStuff;3985888]Anyone have any info or insight into this one? I haven't been able to find anything as of yet.
[URL]http://madison.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/caucasian_w/melissa-ready-to-have-some-fun/547716955817[/URL][/QUOTE]Contacted her said her incall was near perkins on the southside close to fitchburg. Was easy enough to talk to her down to 100 for the hhr but I ended up bailing just because.