MotorCity Mayhem

[QUOTE=RoadHead;4870544]There is zero evidence that hospitals are upcoding cause of death to covid to get more federal money. The amount medicare pays for covid is similar to that for other respiratory diseases.[/QUOTE]Zero evidence.

Going back to re-code deaths to COVID that weren't. Payments for coding it beforehand already incentivized it, payments for it after.

Payments for being hooked to a respirator are higher. And, communists know how communism works; if there is a disease and "emergency" then more money flows to that area. Trump is tweeting at hospitals with COVID research, dude! Guess what that does to donations and grants????

This is how the game works! It worked the same in the "college rape" game. You report more rapes, you get more govt, charity, and individual donation $$$$$$$$. So, every unwanted brush of a hand on an arm is now reported as a rape. You would think people on this board would know how the game works.

Italy claimed high rates despite NO testing and evidence. Italy knows how communism works.

Sorry bud, it's common sense and incentives and payouts. The claim "ZERO EVIDENCE THAT CEOS WANT MORE MONEY! Is retarded. They get more money directly (which you only address for a fraction of the cases), at university / hospitals for study, and in CITIES to work with hospitals to turn buildings into COVID facilities and stock them with government-price paid utilities.

"ZERO EVIDENCE" dude. You have all the evidence you need. Local hospitals were approached across the nation to takeover convention centers and get paid to do it.

ZERO EVIDENCE guy. You're not that bright.

[QUOTE=RoadHead;4872843]True but then you have to say no one dies from cancer, they really die from organ failure. No one dies from a car accident, they die from brain damage, which leads to cardiac arrest. In reality, under your analysis, the only true cause of death is heart failure.[/QUOTE]COVID isn't something you can test for 100%. Most of the tests picked up past COVID strains which led to false positives, and there have been lots of false negatives. You seem to think they have tests for COVID only and it's perfect... nope, not true. And, you really die from what you really die from. Yes, the flu may have caused you to die from problems you already had with organs. You died from: 1) Organ failure, 2) the flu, 3) NOT COVID. There is no test for it, the true cause is heart failure, bro. If you didn't have shitty organs or diabetes a virus or flu or whatever just accelerates your actual death due to organ failure. You actually did die due to organ failure. Your excuse making to inflation COVID is retarded.

BC you actually died from it and everything else is a guess.

When you die and they go back and look to see if you had a cough. Guess what? You died from heart failure bc you had a weak immune system.

Your entire point rests upon some fantasy that COVID is widespread. It's less than 0. 5% by government numbers that call every death a COVID death.

And. They already were using COVID as primary bc it's easier and in their liberal interests.

Amazed by that. I always thought people here understood how govt worked to shame the public into getting them to comply. Apparently we have a lot of complaint followers.

OMG! Gretchen is following "the science" and dudes here say "it took me 5 seconds for Google to tell me she's right. ".

Guess what else Google will tell you is right about your activities LOL. Such followers. Or, fatties that know they might die a few minutes sooner if a dancer's mask doesn't block 1/1,000th of her spit. How boring.

Maybe it's a combination of the two. Followers and fatties? We should have a weight / health requirement before some of these ballsy followers get too aggressive with their posts about how smart they iz for listening to Grams Gretchen's "science" she refuses to tell the source of.

You can make fun of fatties all you want, but the fact is a huge percentage of the population has 2 conditions that increase your Covid19 death rate. And on a website where we talk about paying for sex, its probably even worse. I'm sure the 50 year old fatties here plan on living a couple more decades.

[QUOTE=Taz41;4873063]COVID isn't something you can test for 100%. Most of the tests picked up past COVID strains which led to false positives, and there have been lots of false negatives. You seem to think they have tests for COVID only and it's perfect... nope, not true. And, you really die from what you really die from. Yes, the flu may have caused you to die from problems you already had with organs. You died from: 1) Organ failure, 2) the flu, 3) NOT COVID. There is no test for it, the true cause is heart failure, bro. If you didn't have shitty organs or diabetes a virus or flu or whatever just accelerates your actual death due to organ failure. You actually did die due to organ failure. Your excuse making to inflation COVID is retarded.

BC you actually died from it and everything else is a guess.

When you die and they go back and look to see if you had a cough. Guess what? You died from heart failure bc you had a weak immune system.

Your entire point rests upon some fantasy that COVID is widespread. It's less than 0. 5% by government numbers that call every death a COVID death.

And. They already were using COVID as primary bc it's easier and in their liberal interests.[/QUOTE]I guess people who die from cancer also should be classified as dying from a weak immune system. You are a conspiracy theorist tard.

[QUOTE=Taz41;4873077]Amazed by that. I always thought people here understood how govt worked to shame the public into getting them to comply. Apparently we have a lot of complaint followers.

OMG! Gretchen is following "the science" and dudes here say "it took me 5 seconds for Google to tell me she's right. ".

Guess what else Google will tell you is right about your activities LOL. Such followers. Or, fatties that know they might die a few minutes sooner if a dancer's mask doesn't block 1/1,000th of her spit. How boring.

Maybe it's a combination of the two. Followers and fatties? We should have a weight / health requirement before some of these ballsy followers get too aggressive with their posts about how smart they iz for listening to Grams Gretchen's "science" she refuses to tell the source of.[/QUOTE]What the hell is wrong with you people? Why do you have to mock someone who is actually trying to tackle the pandemic in the most humanely as possible, just look at the chart, compare our state with the recent top ones you'll see the difference, learn to appreciate the effort and please don't spread conspiracy theories here!!

[QUOTE=RoadHead;4873235]I guess people who die from cancer also should be classified as dying from a weak immune system. You are a conspiracy theorist tard.[/QUOTE]Since April 14th anybody who dies with covid regardless of why they actually died has been counted as a covid death.

"As of April 14,2020, CDC case counts and death counts include both confirmed and probable cases and deaths. " You can look it up on the CDC's site, I'm tired of linking to it.

When you add in the financial incentives for hospitals to classify deaths as covid then yup, the system is ripe for abuse. That's why Colorado went back and reclassified all their cases as Died of and Died with.

Still a 99.74% overall survival rate which never is mentioned, especially when they do the danger porn announcements of number of cases. They make them sound as if all of those people are dead. Saying "ok 10000 new cases were reported yesterday and 9974 of them are going to be just fine in 3-5 days doesn't generate as many clicks.

[QUOTE=Nick6789;4873168]You can make fun of fatties all you want, but the fact is a huge percentage of the population has 2 conditions that increase your Covid19 death rate. And on a website where we talk about paying for sex, its probably even worse. I'm sure the 50 year old fatties here plan on living a couple more decades.[/QUOTE]We have 400,000 registered members on this site. If every single one of them was infected with covid then 398,960 of them would be over it by next week and would be writing about pussy and looking for where they would be getting their next blowjob.

You may not like that, it may not make you feel as virtuous as shaming people for not believing it's the black death but none the less it remains a fact not open for debate or perception. 99.74% survival rate. Since they are all being assumed to be 50 and overweight their chances of dying this year of a heart attack are much higher. When the election is over and no media outlet is posting about covid any longer are you going to start insisting that anybody with a BMI over 15 can't eat meat?

Just wondering.

[QUOTE=NickHalden7;4873374]What the hell is wrong with you people? Why do you have to mock someone who is actually trying to tackle the pandemic in the most humanely as possible, just look at the chart, compare our state with the recent top ones you'll see the difference, learn to appreciate the effort and please don't spread conspiracy theories here![/QUOTE]Seriously the most humane way possible? Brother I know you think that is true but have you ever heard the saying that when the US Economy sniffles the rest of the world gets pneumonia?

This is the result of the covid mitigation and 30,000,000 lost jobs in the US.

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/09/coronavirus-could-push-half-a-billion-people-into-poverty-globally.html[/URL] Of the 400,000,000 people who have been forced back into extreme poverty what percentage do you think will be dead of starvation in the next year?

Here's another one, this is rght now in Colombia. About a week ago I heard the mayor of Medellin getting a handjob interview on NPR about what a great job he was doing because "only" 1000 people died. He was bloviating about how successful their safety net was being. Fucking liar. I know people there that are putting their kids to bed hungry every day now. And again 99.74% overall survival rate, I'm just going to keep saying that. 99.74%.
[url]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/11/world/americas/coronavirus-latin-america-inequality.html[/url]

If you don't care about poor brown people far from the US then lets talk about the people closer to home. In the book "The De-Industrialization of America" Barry Bluestone makes that case that every 1% increase in the unemployment rate accounts for 38,000 deaths. This work was published long before covid and he's a lefty so nobody can call it faulty. The US has had I think a 12% increase in unemployment so that's 456,000 deaths. As of now the US has had 120,000 deaths for people WITH covid and that has been clearly flat the last two month regardless of what CNN says. I guess my question is, do the 456,000 not count because they don't have the disease that MSNBC, CNN, CBS, ABC, NBC are talking about 24/7?

If you want to be humane then all those lives are important and we are killing them for a disease that has a 99.74% survival rate. This is the chart, daily deaths which are down. It took all the really sick people in March and April so them deaths have been on the decline. They are going to jump soon because people are looking at it and they will have to change some reporting standard like they did in mid April when there wasn't enough deaths s that all the states that tried to return to life can be "proven" reckless but there is no denying that it's been declining for two months.

I know some of you team lockdown guys are going to try and shame me but all of you will attack me personally because none of you have anything of value to say about the covid mitigation induced deaths that will be 10 x what covid would have been. All you have is "so every doctor. " blah blah fucking blah.

I can't wait for November when this all ends.

A2.

Meanwhile at testing centers around the globe:

[QUOTE=Admin2;4873906]Seriously the most humane way possible? Brother I know you think that is true but have you ever heard the saying that when the US Economy sniffles the rest of the world gets pneumonia?

This is the result of the covid mitigation and 30,000,000 lost jobs in the US.

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/09/coronavirus-could-push-half-a-billion-people-into-poverty-globally.html[/URL] Of the 400,000,000 people who have been forced back into extreme poverty what percentage do you think will be dead of starvation in the next year?

Here's another one, this is rght now in Colombia. About a week ago I heard the mayor of Medellin getting a handjob interview on NPR about what a great job he was doing because "only" 1000 people died. He was bloviating about how successful their safety net was being. Fucking liar. I know people there that are putting their kids to bed hungry every day now. And again 99.74% overall survival rate, I'm just going to keep saying that. 99.74%.
[url]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/11/world/americas/coronavirus-latin-america-inequality.html[/url]

If you don't care about poor brown people far from the US then lets talk about the people closer to home. In the book "The De-Industrialization of America" Barry Bluestone makes that case that every 1% increase in the unemployment rate accounts for 38,000 deaths. This work was published long before covid and he's a lefty so nobody can call it faulty. The US has had I think a 12% increase in unemployment so that's 456,000 deaths. As of now the US has had 120,000 deaths for people WITH covid and that has been clearly flat the last two month regardless of what CNN says. I guess my question is, do the 456,000 not count because they don't have the disease that MSNBC, CNN, CBS, ABC, NBC are talking about 24/7?

If you want to be humane then all those lives are important and we are killing them for a disease that has a 99.74% survival rate. This is the chart, daily deaths which are down. It took all the really sick people in March and April so them deaths have been on the decline. They are going to jump soon because people are looking at it and they will have to change some reporting standard like they did in mid April when there wasn't enough deaths s that all the states that tried to return to life can be "proven" reckless but there is no denying that it's been declining for two months.

I know some of you team lockdown guys are going to try and shame me but all of you will attack me personally because none of you have anything of value to say about the covid mitigation induced deaths that will be 10 x what covid would have been. All you have is "so every doctor. " blah blah fucking blah.

I can't wait for November when this all ends.

A2.[/QUOTE]LOL it's people like you that drank the koolaid in James town.

[QUOTE=JimBob64;4874323]LOL it's people like you that drank the koolaid in James town.[/QUOTE]And you're so fucking stupid you don't know that they drank the Kool aid in Jonestown not Jamestown.

Thanks for playing.

[QUOTE=Admin2;4874530]And you're so fucking stupid you don't know that they drank the Kool aid in Jonestown not Jamestown.

Thanks for playing.[/QUOTE]I doubt you'll post this because you abuse your power. But tell me why you're allowed to reply with animosity and argumentative comments yet delete anyone else who does the same. As the message you provide when citing an infraction "Your recent report was deleted because it contributed nothing of value and in fact constituted a complete waste of bandwidth. The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange if information between men on the subject of finding women for sex. Please stick to the subject" I guess it doesn't apply to you.

[QUOTE=Admin2;4873906]Seriously the most humane way possible? Brother I know you think that is true but have you ever heard the saying that when the US Economy sniffles the rest of the world gets pneumonia?

This is the result of the covid mitigation and 30,000,000 lost jobs in the US.

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/09/coronavirus-could-push-half-a-billion-people-into-poverty-globally.html[/URL] Of the 400,000,000 people who have been forced back into extreme poverty what percentage do you think will be dead of starvation in the next year?

Here's another one, this is rght now in Colombia. About a week ago I heard the mayor of Medellin getting a handjob interview on NPR about what a great job he was doing because "only" 1000 people died. He was bloviating about how successful their safety net was being. Fucking liar. I know people there that are putting their kids to bed hungry every day now. And again 99.74% overall survival rate, I'm just going to keep saying that. 99.74%.
[url]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/11/world/americas/coronavirus-latin-america-inequality.html[/url]

If you don't care about poor brown people far from the US then lets talk about the people closer to home. In the book "The De-Industrialization of America" Barry Bluestone makes that case that every 1% increase in the unemployment rate accounts for 38,000 deaths. This work was published long before covid and he's a lefty so nobody can call it faulty. The US has had I think a 12% increase in unemployment so that's 456,000 deaths. As of now the US has had 120,000 deaths for people WITH covid and that has been clearly flat the last two month regardless of what CNN says. I guess my question is, do the 456,000 not count because they don't have the disease that MSNBC, CNN, CBS, ABC, NBC are talking about 24/7?

If you want to be humane then all those lives are important and we are killing them for a disease that has a 99.74% survival rate. This is the chart, daily deaths which are down. It took all the really sick people in March and April so them deaths have been on the decline. They are going to jump soon because people are looking at it and they will have to change some reporting standard like they did in mid April when there wasn't enough deaths s that all the states that tried to return to life can be "proven" reckless but there is no denying that it's been declining for two months.

I know some of you team lockdown guys are going to try and shame me but all of you will attack me personally because none of you have anything of value to say about the covid mitigation induced deaths that will be 10 x what covid would have been. All you have is "so every doctor. " blah blah fucking blah.

I can't wait for November when this all ends.

A2.[/QUOTE]Well said A2!

Problem is Lefty cannot handle being wrong. Those of us with objectivity, critical thinking skills and have good common sense can see right through the BS.

Keep up the good work!

For you Covid scared, please stay away from the women out there and leave the Mongering to others.

[QUOTE=HapHunter;4874575]Well said A2!

Problem is Lefty cannot handle being wrong. Those of us with objectivity, critical thinking skills and have good common sense can see right through the BS.

Keep up the good work!

For you Covid scared, please stay away from the women out there and leave the Mongering to others.[/QUOTE]This whole covid 19 thing was started by Hillary Clinton and the Dems when they were raping kids in the basement of a pizza parlor that had no basement. And Mexico wrote a big fat check to pay for the wall. You can't make this stuff up. I will never listen to my MD again conspiracy nut cases know more than the Doctors. And oh yea more than the Generals. Pass me a tin foil hat. And you guys all know the earth is flat because you can't believe the scientist and experts ever.

LOL this is nut job central.

[QUOTE=HapHunter;4874575]Well said A2!

Problem is Lefty cannot handle being wrong. Those of us with objectivity, critical thinking skills and have good common sense can see right through the BS.

Keep up the good work!

For you Covid scared, please stay away from the women out there and leave the Mongering to others.[/QUOTE]Ohh now you want to divert the conversation to this is something related to politics?? This is a matter or science and facts, I'm sorry your world of fox news, Breitbart or whatever that shit is doesn't focus on reality. If you're going to believe everything that crazy ass clown in White House, you're in the right place, I have a bridge to see in NYC want to buy?

Get your facts right, just stay safe and wear your fucking masks. Not everything is a conspiracy and please don't try to downplay the pandemic, look at other countries how well they've been trying to come together and control it. Meanwhile here, we're fucking discussing as to send children to the schools with out proper precautions, this shit is just insane. If you don't see the real problem here, I must say problem is within you my brother.

I understand that the mortality rate is going down, but you'll need to understand that's not the case of every state. Don't pick and chose the graph you're comfortable with, get a grip on reality and focus of all of the facts.

[QUOTE=HapHunter;4874575]Well said A2!

Problem is Lefty cannot handle being wrong. Those of us with objectivity, critical thinking skills and have good common sense can see right through the BS.

Keep up the good work!

For you Covid scared, please stay away from the women out there and leave the Mongering to others.[/QUOTE]I'm a lifelong lefty, still am, always will be. Lots of lefty's have the ability to think critically. By painting this in red / blue terms, as those on the right are so quick to do with everything you remove any ability for discourse and perhaps a solution.

The posts I put up were fact based not politically motivated.

Sorry to disappoint you.

A2.

[QUOTE=Concupiscent69;4874564]I doubt you'll post this because you abuse your power. But tell me why you're allowed to reply with animosity and argumentative comments yet delete anyone else who does the same. As the message you provide when citing an infraction "Your recent report was deleted because it contributed nothing of value and in fact constituted a complete waste of bandwidth. The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange if information between men on the subject of finding women for sex. Please stick to the subject" I guess it doesn't apply to you.[/QUOTE]When there are really stupid people posting really stupid shit I move that to the fight thread to respond. Which is what this is.

As far as abusing my power, there are a couple issues with that. Mostly because my power, on this forum, is absolute there can be no abuse. I am literally above the law here because all the rules that there are here flow from my authority on this web site. You think it's abuse because you in less than a year you have managed to rack up 7 flags. If I cared enough to look I know you're somebody who has been banned several times because you just don't understand that this isn't your forum and there are rules you have to follow.

I doubt you will understand this but its how it works, it's why royalty were never subject to their own laws. I have no illusions that that power extends beyond this forum but it's the way it has to be here, there is one of me and 400,000 of you. We are ok with an element of anarchy but ultimately if the content isn't moderated the site loses utility and at the end of the day it's a business so it requires business decisions.

Hope that helps with the butthurt but like I said I doubt it will.

A2.

[QUOTE=NickHalden7;4874915]Ohh now you want to divert the conversation to this is something related to politics?? This is a matter or science and facts, I'm sorry your world of fox news, Breitbart or whatever that shit is doesn't focus on reality. If you're going to believe everything that crazy ass clown in White House, you're in the right place, I have a bridge to see in NYC want to buy?

Get your facts right, just stay safe and wear your fucking masks. Not everything is a conspiracy and please don't try to downplay the pandemic, look at other countries how well they've been trying to come together and control it. Meanwhile here, we're fucking discussing as to send children to the schools with out proper precautions, this shit is just insane. If you don't see the real problem here, I must say problem is within you my brother.

I understand that the mortality rate is going down, but you'll need to understand that's not the case of every state. Don't pick and chose the graph you're comfortable with, get a grip on reality and focus of all of the facts.[/QUOTE]The entire world over, everywhere that covid has struck has had an over all 99.74% survival rate. With people under 20 that number is something like 99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999% yes I know CNN will always report on the one in 100,000,000 kid that died from this but statistically more kids will die going from home to school than will of the virus so exactly what proper precautions do kids who are demonstrably nearly immune to the effects of the virus need?

BTW the IFR rate by age group is a matter of fact so please respond with facts not with "if it saves one kid" because if that were true we wouldn't be starving them in the third world so folks like you could insist on the biggest demonstration of privilege in my lifetime.

99.74% overall survival rate is a fact yet team lockdown keeps comparing the virus to the plague.

Death rate in decline for 3 months is a fact which proves the greater number of cases is testing. Remember anti body testing in NY proved that over 3,000,000 people had and recovered from Covid in April. It was an easy story to miss because MSNBC and CNN went with "Trump tells people to inject bleach" instead of "Great News Covid not nearly as lethal as thought" when those studies were released.

Seriously, how do you answer that only 10% of the ICU beds in Travis County and 10% of the ICU beds in Harris County were taking up 12.5% of the ICU beds yet somehow it was Covid that was overwhelming the health care system. Those are straight up facts not open to debate.

It's not conspiracy theory to say that it wasn't unprecedented for NYC docs to be working in tents and using refrigerated trucks to deal with flu because there's a story in Time, published in 2018 saying they were doing the same thing.

Now this part is a little conspiracy theoryish. It's my contention that this will all be over on November 4th. You can argue with me all you want but I'm waiting to see what happens. It's also my contention that next year in April when the CDC releases the overall number of people who died in the US in 2020 it will be within 1% of the number who died in 2018 which was the last pandemic year. I'm not saying the number that died of, I'm talking about the total number of people who died and I'd bet 10 g's it's not going to have risen. I think that's the only number that will have any real meaning and no spin from 2020. If I'm wrong then I was wrong about the whole thing and I'll feel like an asshole but if I'm right and around 2.8 million people die this year then you are one of the people who pushed 400,000,000 million people back into extreme poverty the world over for nothing and you better get a second job to help the relief efforts because the amount of dying that is going to cause is going to take a decade to cure.

A2.

[QUOTE=NickHalden7;4874915]Ohh now you want to divert the conversation to this is something related to politics?? This is a matter or science and facts, I'm sorry your world of fox news, Breitbart or whatever that shit is doesn't focus on reality. If you're going to believe everything that crazy ass clown in White House, you're in the right place, I have a bridge to see in NYC want to buy?

Get your facts right, just stay safe and wear your fucking masks. Not everything is a conspiracy and please don't try to downplay the pandemic, look at other countries how well they've been trying to come together and control it. Meanwhile here, we're fucking discussing as to send children to the schools with out proper precautions, this shit is just insane. If you don't see the real problem here, I must say problem is within you my brother.

I understand that the mortality rate is going down, but you'll need to understand that's not the case of every state. Don't pick and chose the graph you're comfortable with, get a grip on reality and focus of all of the facts.[/QUOTE]The facts are the W. H. O is in bed with China. Fact is W. H. O knew about this and didn't tell the world. Now you want me to believe in these so called doctors and their facts. People die with the flu and no one protest burns citys or shuts the country down. I don't believe in modern day medicine. I suggest a big IF you get the virus and a vaccine comes please be smart and don't take it. Just because someone has the virus don't mean they are going to die. More people die of texting driving. Drunk driving opioids, gang banging and abortions and the left don't protest. Help me understand that pandemic I just stated. Keep washing hands and don't touch your nose or eat with dirty hands and you will be fine if you don't have any health issues. People are dying of health issues on this virus pandemic the flu or sars or aids would kill just the same with those with health issies. Just saying.

[QUOTE=Admin2;4875029]When there are really stupid people posting really stupid shit I move that to the fight thread to respond. Which is what this is.

As far as abusing my power, there are a couple issues with that. Mostly because my power, on this forum, is absolute there can be no abuse. I am literally above the law here because all the rules that there are here flow from my authority on this web site. You think it's abuse because you in less than a year you have managed to rack up 7 flags. If I cared enough to look I know you're somebody who has been banned several times because you just don't understand that this isn't your forum and there are rules you have to follow.

I doubt you will understand this but its how it works, it's why royalty were never subject to their own laws. I have no illusions that that power extends beyond this forum but it's the way it has to be here, there is one of me and 400,000 of you. We are ok with an element of anarchy but ultimately if the content isn't moderated the site loses utility and at the end of the day it's a business so it requires business decisions.

Hope that helps with the butthurt but like I said I doubt it will.

A2.[/QUOTE]I'll now consider this issue dropped.

[blue]Thank you, you surprised me, I thought you were going to put up a long winder post continuing to justify your self entitled behavior. I wasn't expecting you to show this kind of class.

A2[/blue]

[QUOTE=Admin2;4873906]
If you don't care about poor brown people far from the US then lets talk about the people closer to home. In the book "The De-Industrialization of America" Barry Bluestone makes that case that every 1% increase in the unemployment rate accounts for 38,000 deaths. This work was published long before covid and he's a lefty so nobody can call it faulty. The US has had I think a 12% increase in unemployment so that's 456,000 deaths.
A2.[/QUOTE]The 12% you refer to would have to be an annualized percent for your calculation to make sense. Secondly bluestone did not take into consideration The impact of furloughs (retaining medical coverage) and govt $600 weekly checks.

[QUOTE=PieBoy;4875899]The 12% you refer to would have to be an annualized percent for your calculation to make sense. Secondly bluestone did not take into consideration The impact of furloughs (retaining medical coverage) and govt $600 weekly checks.[/QUOTE]Good points, I'll cut it in half so it's only twice as many people as have died from corona.

Worldwide it will be in the tens of millions.

Every 30,000 Americans that die, you'll have to increase your death rate up by. 01% That is assuming worst case scenario of everybody being infected.

There's a lot more going on here than just the chances of live vs death: [URL]https://i.redd.it/jo26b3lcsha51.jpg[/URL].

[QUOTE=Gwendy32;4876466]There's a lot more going on here than just the chances of live vs death: [URL]https://i.redd.it/jo26b3lcsha51.jpg[/URL].[/QUOTE]Literally all of the points in that article are conjecture and hyperbole.

It's not 1% according to the CDC it's. 26% 1% is an increase by a factor of four but you know, details. It's also based on 1% of the total population, there has never, ever, in the history of the world been a disease that everybody gets.

It doesn't assume that you die or you're fine, as with all illnesses there are going to be a small fraction that develop co morbidity but there is no study, anywhere that says".

For every person that dies 18 will have permanent heart damage, 10 will have permanent lung damage, 3 will have strokes, ect. Show me a peer reviewed article that confirms those figures or he made it up just like Neil Ferguson made up the "2,000,000 will die number. " Seriously I would love to see the peer reviewed article published in a medical journal that confirms these numbers.

It's the mysterious LTR (Long Term Effects) claim for a disease that hasn't been around long enough to have any blind studies showing what possible LTR's there might be.

As to the economic fallout there are 150,000,000 people working right now, the Bureau of Labor Statistics says that around. 1% of the workforce is absent every day so that's 1.5 million absent from work everyday and the economy doesn't even notice.

All these articles are the same, if you just scratch them the slightest bit they all fall apart. This is nothing but fear mongering propaganda.

[QUOTE=Zeek2120;4875334]The facts are the W. H. O is in bed with China. Fact is W. H. O knew about this and didn't tell the world. Now you want me to believe in these so called doctors and their facts. People die with the flu and no one protest burns citys or shuts the country down. I don't believe in modern day medicine. I suggest a big IF you get the virus and a vaccine comes please be smart and don't take it. Just because someone has the virus don't mean they are going to die. More people die of texting driving. Drunk driving opioids, gang banging and abortions and the left don't protest. Help me understand that pandemic I just stated. Keep washing hands and don't touch your nose or eat with dirty hands and you will be fine if you don't have any health issues. People are dying of health issues on this virus pandemic the flu or sars or aids would kill just the same with those with health issies. Just saying.[/QUOTE]Sadly all of the people like myself that are questioning the narrative the media is painting for Covid 19 get lumped into conspiracy theorist anti vaxxers like this.

[QUOTE=Admin2;4876739]Sadly all of the people like myself that are questioning the narrative the media is painting for Covid 19 get lumped into conspiracy theorist anti vaxxers like this.[/QUOTE]Google actor Nick Cordero. 41 year old healthy married with kids white male dead from CV-19! But you right get you medical advice from your plumber who surfs all the nut job conspiracy web sites. Not your Doctor.

Now Pass me a tin foil hat so the Guament can't control my brain. All those bodies in the morgues are fake corpses. Just say Fake News Fake news because some people just can't handle the truth.

[QUOTE=Bpmfarhat;4876834]Google actor Nick Cordero. 41 year old healthy married with kids white male dead from CV-19! But you right get you medical advice from your plumber who surfs all the nut job conspiracy web sites. Not your Doctor.

Now Pass me a tin foil hat so the Guament can't control my brain. All those bodies in the morgues are fake corpses. Just say Fake News Fake news because some people just can't handle the truth.[/QUOTE]We should all get our Medical advice from guys who spend their spare time online trying to have sex with Drug addicted females who have multiple partners per day. The hell with the Doctors get your Medical advice from that guy. LOL.

[QUOTE=Bpmfarhat;4876834]Google actor Nick Cordero. 41 year old healthy married with kids white male dead from CV-19! But you right get you medical advice from your plumber who surfs all the nut job conspiracy web sites. Not your Doctor.

Now Pass me a tin foil hat so the Guament can't control my brain. All those bodies in the morgues are fake corpses. Just say Fake News Fake news because some people just can't handle the truth.[/QUOTE]I think you missed A2's point. Just because he questions govt statements from time to time doesn't make him a conspiracy theorist. I agree with him on many counts, since CDC has been off their game a bit. Problem with his statistics is you can't get 1% sick. You either get sick (and maybe die or get permanent damage), or you don't. I do like the stories of clowns that post On facebook that its a hoax, and then die. Its funny to me, in a sick sort of way.

Why is it always a conspiracy theory? Ffs it's called critical thinking. It's used to solve problems, investigations, make predictions, analyze data, etc. Once some says I believe in conspiracy theories. I think their a complete dumb ass.

[QUOTE=Bpmfarhat;4876834]Google actor Nick Cordero. 41 year old healthy married with kids white male dead from CV-19! But you right get you medical advice from your plumber who surfs all the nut job conspiracy web sites. Not your Doctor.

Now Pass me a tin foil hat so the Guament can't control my brain. All those bodies in the morgues are fake corpses. Just say Fake News Fake news because some people just can't handle the truth.[/QUOTE]Some people die if they eat a peanut. There was a 55 year old guy in NYC that was a frequent marathon runner who succumbed to covid and no doubt that was a tragity to his family. The problem with people who post this sort of thing is you are treating it as if it's widespread and common when in fact it is extremely rare for a 41 year old person to die of covid. Then when somebody says "hey, the overall survival rate for covid 19 across all age groups and all medical conditions is 99.74% and that number comes directly from the Center for Disease Controls" somehow they are a conspiracy theorist and taking advice from their plumber.

The chart below is from the CDC, it's shows the distribution of deaths by age for every covid death between Feb 1 and July 4. The arrow points to the line that represents your 41 year old actor example. As you can see, it's extremely rare for somebody in that age group to die, more die in car wrecks, more die from heart attacks, more die from mistakes made by medical professionals while they are in the hospital yet you don't want to do anything about Cars, McDonalds or those truly dangerous hospitals.

So no, I'm not putting on a tinfoil hate and I'm not talking crazy. I'm questioning a narrative that is being expressed by a segment of the media to further a political and commercial agenda which is having devastating effects on the worlds poor.

[QUOTE=NewGuyNot;4877749]Why is it always a conspiracy theory? Ffs it's called critical thinking. It's used to solve problems, investigations, make predictions, analyze data, etc. Once some says I believe in conspiracy theories. I think their a complete dumbass.[/QUOTE]It's called an ad hominum attack. It's a common fallacy and people use it when they can't assail your data or logic, the word ad hominim means against the man, so instead of offering a counter argument they attack you and call you a nut. It's intellectual laziness nothing more.

[QUOTE=Admin2;4877893]Some people die if they eat a peanut. There was a 55 year old guy in NYC that was a frequent marathon runner who succumbed to covid and no doubt that was a tragity to his family. The problem with people who post this sort of thing is you are treating it as if it's widespread and common when in fact it is extremely rare for a 41 year old person to die of covid. Then when somebody says "hey, the overall survival rate for covid 19 across all age groups and all medical conditions is 99.74% and that number comes directly from the Center for Disease Controls" somehow they are a conspiracy theorist and taking advice from their plumber.

The chart below is from the CDC, it's shows the distribution of deaths by age for every covid death between Feb 1 and July 4. The arrow points to the line that represents your 41 year old actor example. As you can see, it's extremely rare for somebody in that age group to die, more die in car wrecks, more die from heart attacks, more die from mistakes made by medical professionals while they are in the hospital yet you don't want to do anything about Cars, McDonalds or those truly dangerous hospitals.

So no, I'm not putting on a tinfoil hate and I'm not talking crazy. I'm questioning a narrative that is being expressed by a segment of the media to further a political and commercial agenda which is having devastating effects on the worlds poor.[/QUOTE]Sweden remained open, expecting to save their economy from the fate you described. Initially they were praised by the.

The WSJ. [URL]https://www.wsj.com/articles/do-lockdowns-save-many-lives-is-most-places-the-data-say-no-11587930911[/URL] . They aren't doing so good now. [URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/07/business/sweden-economy-coronavirus.html[/URL] .

[QUOTE=Admin2;4877893]The chart below is from the CDC, it's shows the distribution of deaths by age for every covid death between Feb 1 and July 4. The arrow points to the line that represents your 41 year old actor example. As you can see, it's extremely rare for somebody in that age group to die, more die in car wrecks, more die from heart attacks, more die from mistakes made by medical professionals while they are in the hospital yet you don't want to do anything about Cars, McDonalds or those truly dangerous hospitals.

So no, I'm not putting on a tinfoil hate and I'm not talking crazy. I'm questioning a narrative that is being expressed by a segment of the media to further a political and commercial agenda which is having devastating effects on the worlds poor.[/QUOTE]While the deaths are indeed tragic, what isn't being said is that those who survive COVID-19 also suffer debilitating side effects like changes to their respiratory system, heart, and blood vessels. It's not like the virus is an all-or-nothing proposition: one way or another, it'll probably fuck you up, and the worst part is immunity after recovery isn't a surefire thing.

I'm not worried about the dying part, but the other stuff, I'm definitely worried.

[QUOTE=ZenSpeed;4877981]While the deaths are indeed tragic, what isn't being said is that those who survive COVID-19 also suffer debilitating side effects like changes to their respiratory system, heart, and blood vessels. It's not like the virus is an all-or-nothing proposition: one way or another, it'll probably fuck you up, and the worst part is immunity after recovery isn't a surefire thing.

I'm not worried about the dying part, but the other stuff, I'm definitely worried.[/QUOTE]Agreed. I spoke with a neighbor who contracted it, along with her husband. Both over fifty. She is an avid runner, or was. Although they both survived, she finds that she gets winded easily, and has yet to feel up to running again. She says her lungs are about half of what they were.

[QUOTE=ZenSpeed;4877981]While the deaths are indeed tragic, what isn't being said is that those who survive COVID-19 also suffer debilitating side effects like changes to their respiratory system, heart, and blood vessels. It's not like the virus is an all-or-nothing proposition: one way or another, it'll probably fuck you up, and the worst part is immunity after recovery isn't a surefire thing.

I'm not worried about the dying part, but the other stuff, I'm definitely worried.[/QUOTE]Death doesn't happen from the virus most times it's the loss of smell and losing body parts from the virus that know it all are forgetting about. My because. Lost his foot after a so called mild reaction to the virus. So before you flap your mouth how the virus is harmless think about others for once and the horrible side effects many are going through after they had the virus. I know it's all about you but maybe it's time to think of others who have been going through hell with the side effects that a hardly ever reported on your fox aka fake news.

Or you can say the. 26% fatality rate widely used in these postings is really 4. 1% which using simple math is 15 times higher than what is being quoted here.

Per the CDC as of 9:41 am 7/14/2020.

Number of Covid Cases in the United States (updated 7/13/2020) is 3,296,599.

Number of Deaths is 134,884.

Again -- simple math. That is a Death rate for those with Covid of 4. 1% or conversely a survival rate of 95.9%.

So what has been heavily used as a. 26% fatality rate (1 - 99.74% = .26%) for those infected is really 15 times higher than that and is currently at 4. 1%.

May seem like a small change but earlier the number of 400,000 was used and based on the 99.74% or. 26% -- a fatality rate of 1,040 people was estimated.

Now try it at 95.9% or 4. 1% and you get a fatality count of 16,400.

I'm not advocating one position over any other but I do think its helpful to be using accurate data.

[QUOTE=SmoothDriver;4878188]Death doesn't happen from the virus most times it's the loss of smell and losing body parts from the virus that know it all are forgetting about. My because. Lost his foot after a so called mild reaction to the virus. So before you flap your mouth how the virus is harmless think about others for once and the horrible side effects many are going through after they had the virus. I know it's all about you but maybe it's time to think of others who have been going through hell with the side effects that a hardly ever reported on your fox aka fake news.[/QUOTE]For a minute there I thought everyone here were Fox Lienews koolaid drinkers. I know one guy who survived who had his legs amputated but stats show he survived. When a guys tell you quote; I can stand in the middle of Fith Ave. And shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose any voters he is calling his followers koolaid drinking nut jobs like him. Today he is calling Dr. Fauci a lier and smearing and attacking him like he did all the Generals. Its Scary having this imbecile in charge who will not listen to any experts. Its so sad he killing and maiming a lot of people by his incompetence. Republican Govs. Just open up Florida and Arizona early Damm the torpedoes (facts).

[QUOTE=SmoothDriver;4878188]Death doesn't happen from the virus most times it's the loss of smell and losing body parts from the virus that know it all are forgetting about. My because. Lost his foot after a so called mild reaction to the virus. So before you flap your mouth how the virus is harmless think about others for once and the horrible side effects many are going through after they had the virus. I know it's all about you but maybe it's time to think of others who have been going through hell with the side effects that a hardly ever reported on your fox aka fake news.[/QUOTE]Lots of amputees, one previously healthy 41 year old guy I know had both legs amputated. But he is still listed as a survivor in the stats. Don't listen to trump or Fox. Today that imbecile is attacking and smearing DR. Fauci for telling the truth. Just like he did to all the Generals when they told him the truth! It's so sad to have a moron in charge when real leadership is needed. Americans are now banned from entering several countries. They smart.