Rants and Stupid shit in Orange County

[QUOTE=Sticker;6516669]. . . Yes, while it's true that in places like Hypno and a few other spots, the girls get rotated; they also get rotated back to Hypno after a few weeks, . . .[/QUOTE]Hi Sticker, and thanks for your many contributions too. What you wrote reminds me, when I was writing about girls being rotated off to very distant places, I should also have said I've been with a few who would be rotated around just the SGV and western LA County, and back. I got the phone numbers of a couple so I could see them on my travels if I could, and connect when I got back. One really special one, I lost her number, insert screamed profanity here. She wore a fishnet top and would have her own O as she rode me ACG. She really liked being with me, I think.

I'll add, I was taken to task a few years ago by one of our members who shamed me for not "realizing" that they're always faking the pleasure they seem to be having. Well I can agree that most of the time, nearly all the time it's faked. But not 100% of the time.

Lift Her Up.

[QUOTE=LiftHerUp;6518978]One really special one, I lost her number, insert screamed profanity here. She wore a fishnet top and would have her own O as she rode me ACG. She really liked being with me, I think.[/QUOTE]Whoever took you to task apparently didn't have the knowledge nor skills to know the difference between a real vs. A fake O. I learned early on how to make girls cum, long before I became a paying customer, and then over the last couple of decades built upon those skills to be able to make providers cum regularly. Granted, it's always easier for me to make them cum through DATY, but there are still a good number of them who can also get off during the posturepedic polka, too. The proof is from their post-coital puddle in addition to their vocalizations.

[QUOTE=Sticker;6519434]Whoever took you to task apparently didn't have the knowledge nor skills to know the difference between a real vs. A fake O. I learned early on how to make girls cum, long before I became a paying customer, and then over the last couple of decades built upon those skills to be able to make providers cum regularly. Granted, it's always easier for me to make them cum through DATY, but there are still a good number of them who can also get off during the posturepedic polka, too. The proof is from their post-coital puddle in addition to their vocalizations.[/QUOTE]In real life, I have had two women who were squirters. You needed a towel after they came. But the other 99.5% come or whatever without excessive water. I was looking at a naked strip chat website with live cams recently, and it seemed many of the girls there were squirters. But then someone told me, that the girls know the trick of saving a little bit of urine, and just peeing themselves for affect. Its pretty obvious to see so much liquid coming out that some of them literally put a bucket under their cootchie or create a wet spot across the floor. So my conclusion is that its mostly bullshit.

I think most women don't come the first few times, even with boyfriends or guys they really like. They need to get comfortable with the guy. Yes oral is preferable but its no guarantee, and it might take 20 minutes or more, to the point you get lockjaw.

The other thing I have learned from hobbying, is that many of these girls are excellent fakers. They whisper in your ear, moan, etc even when they are not stimulate at all, and may not be wet at all. Some of them are obviously fake, but there are few pro's who are amazingly believable.

I think a real orgasm would involve some uncontrollable vaginal spasms. Maybe some wild moans, but some girls are silent. Afterward they probably want some hugging without anything sexual. And the probably dry up if anything. And its highly highly doubtful they enjoy this with guy after guy, hour after hour unless they are a true nyphomaniac. And if a girl really comes with you, she is probably going to develop feelings for you which is a detriment for a working girl.

I think the real deal here is that we as men have it built into our DNA to want to please a woman. We measure ourselves as successful for making the woman pop. Seriously, I don't think they really care to have an orgasm in a little room just feet away from their co-workers. Its all about getting us off as quick as possible and spending as much as possible. So the "oh yes baby" routine it just a tool of the trade.

You can better use your real love-making skills to meet women who are not in the sex business, and get them going for real.

[QUOTE=LiftHerUp;6518967]Grimmy, glad you're supporting a helping organization. I myself donate to a couple of orgs that helps get trapped girls, often underage, out of the business in southeast Asia and India. If you'll PM me a name, I'll include the one you support on my annual giving list.

Lift Her Up.[/QUOTE]This is a world wide problem. Burmese girls are trafficked into Thailand and China. Romanian girls are trafficked into Germany and Amsterdam. Philipino women are abused in Saudi Arabia, China, Japan. The girls that come to the US have hit the jackpot in terms of sex work. A Chinese girl can make more money in an hour or two here, than her family can make a month back home. They hit the lottery.

I too have had the pleasure of 3-4 true squirters in my life, and yeah the volume of ejaculate is usually a sight to behold. Towels at least; I had to put a plastic cover on my replacement mattress so it wouldn't get moldy like the first one LOL. And yeah, muscle twitches are also frequent. Squirters are a true ego boost, as there's objective evidence of what you did. I've never had anyone who I felt faked a squirt with pee, that'd be quite a feat of concentration during sex, for one thing LOL.

With the other 99%, you never really know. Some girls are just good actresses, others want to have them, sometimes you do the job, etc. If it's paid sex, what does it really matter? I mean, I hope they get off, but I'm not paying for that. I'm paying for my pleasure, and I know if I'm achieving that. If it's nonpaid sex, you just do your best and 90% of the time they're more interested in other features of the "relationship" anyway.

In the MP thread two days ago, Grunion Runner referred to a girl's "love pillows" in his report titled Cloud Nine. I had not heard that term before. I love it, and I'm adopting it as a favorite metaphor.

Lift Her Up.

[QUOTE=PelicanT99;6519919] If it's paid sex, what does it really matter? I mean, I hope they get off, but I'm not paying for that. I'm paying for my pleasure, [/QUOTE]100% agree, and I'll add to that, I'm sure I'm like many here, where I have little interest in seeing a gal again, for several reasons.

Point being, other than the clenching up & ego boost, it's not worth the investment (time, money) where my concern are my needs, not hers.

[QUOTE=Taws6;6545222]100% agree, and I'll add to that, I'm sure I'm like many here, where I have little interest in seeing a gal again, for several reasons.

Point being, other than the clenching up & ego boost, it's not worth the investment (time, money) where my concern are my needs, not hers.[/QUOTE]It's included, so it doesn't need extra money if both of you can manage. It doesn't need extra time unless you can fuck non-stop for 60 min.

My priority is my needs. I'm mostly satisfied if she's an eye candy and I have a good release. But it's like buying a TV game. You get more entertainment out of it if you score higher. Or a guitar, you give it all to make it sounds better.

One of the selling points of the enclave girls were their ability to come. If you can duck them for a full 30 min they will. If not, DATY and FIV them until they do. Then finish them with the artillery. The new high school dropouts or graduates can normally do. There are few of them now.

As for repeating, the difference between the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd time isn't an urban legend. For the majority, you don't expect to repeat in the near future. They have no reason to do their best. They honor their menu and won't get any trouble. For the 2nd time, you are a potential regular and they will try hard to keep you against the competition. For the 3rd time, they don't want you to think of any reason to see another. These girls rub shoulders all the time and they know what the competition is.

One of my needs is DFK. It gets me harder, the same reason I need eye candies. And that's one difference from a sex doll. Some ladies will rather BBFS than DFK. It's on the PD no-list as often as Greek. I saw one girl a few times to finish my movie. She looks good but doesn't kiss, but welcomes my bare dick in her mouth. On the 3rd visit she started to dance, kissed me, curled in the fetal position, and snuggled into my arms. The other one started DFK once she was naked and ready. It's passionate enough like all the other girls but she was standing with her back bending backwards, LOL. If I wasn't holding her waist she would have toppled over. For similar reasons, I might have tried to invade her lips and mouth with my tongue but I didn't really inert my tongue. At about the 3rd time her mouth was inviting. I stuck my slimy tongue in and she gave me her tongue back, and also twisting and creating friction.

[QUOTE=Taws6;6545222]100% agree, and I'll add to that, I'm sure I'm like many here, where I have little interest in seeing a gal again, for several reasons.

Point being, other than the clenching up & ego boost, it's not worth the investment (time, money) where my concern are my needs, not hers.[/QUOTE]I don't know. Personally I find satisfaction in making a woman cum, assuming it's a real orgasm. Most of the time in this hobby it's fake, but there are a few unmistakable signs of the rare occasion when you can actually pull off a real one. It's a big turn on for me. The arching of the back, the bucking hips, the moaning, the wetness, and then it's time for me to get off. It adds a lot to the experience, for me at least.

Yup, if you truly want GFE, that's going to involve DFK, DATY and making (or at least attempting) to make her cum. Of course, if BBFS is added into this mix, then it's total GFE, but even with CFS, if all the other elements are part of the experience, it's pretty damn satisfying.

I also get that some guys only want to bust a nut and split. I've no idea what the percentage of dudes who prefer to cum-and-go, versus those of us who want the more all-encompassing experience. But what I do know is that when I'm with a GFE provider and I give as much as I take, mixed in with passion and playfulness from both of us, I walk out the door with a bigger smile pasted across my mug.

[QUOTE=Grimmy23;6545909]I don't know. Personally I find satisfaction in making a woman cum, assuming it's a real orgasm. Most of the time in this hobby it's fake, but there are a few unmistakable signs of the rare occasion when you can actually pull off a real one. It's a big turn on for me. The arching of the back, the bucking hips, the moaning, the wetness, and then it's time for me to get off. It adds a lot to the experience, for me at least.[/QUOTE]

I am another of those who is looking for an authentic experience of mutual sexual enjoyment. Something I can't get in my primary relationship anymore, for reasons not worth discussing.

This is why I restrict myself to sugarbabies. I would have a difficult time believing, w / someone who is seeing lots of guys for dough, that even if they presented a positive experience, it was real. And I am all about real in my life. I have had dozens of SBs in the past few years. It hasn't hurt that they were all one-half to one-third my age. It is totally exhilarating to bang a girl so hot I would have been scared to approach her when I was her age. Thankfully, many aspects of my confidence have improved w / time and experience, and pleasing someone like that to boot is one. Lots of young girls know that if they are w / an older man, they'll have a lot better experience sexually. It is my counterbalance to the aspects of aging we can't escape.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;6546154]I am another of those who is looking for an authentic experience of mutual sexual enjoyment. Something I can't get in my primary relationship anymore, for reasons not worth discussing.

This is why I restrict myself to sugarbabies. I would have a difficult time believing, w / someone who is seeing lots of guys for dough, that even if they presented a positive experience, it was real. And I am all about real in my life. I have had dozens of SBs in the past few years. It hasn't hurt that they were all one-half to one-third my age. It is totally exhilarating to bang a girl so hot I would have been scared to approach her when I was her age. Thankfully, many aspects of my confidence have improved w / time and experience, and pleasing someone like that to boot is one. Lots of young girls know that if they are w / an older man, they'll have a lot better experience sexually. It is my counterbalance to the aspects of aging we can't escape.[/QUOTE]How much do you have to typically spend to keep 1 of these SBs around? I'm sure a bit uglier one is cheaper ay?

[QUOTE=BraveNuPengwin;6547045]How much do you have to typically spend to keep 1 of these SBs around? I'm sure a bit uglier one is cheaper ay?[/QUOTE]You know, the financial deal is all about your interactions / appeal and what you can negotiate. I have had lovely lovely ongoing 20-something girls in relationships where I was giving her 1000/ mo for 3 meets, as well as covering hotel rooms she booked for us. That is likely my best deal ever. She relocated out of state for a job, I am still in touch w / her, and if she is back to visit, we invariably meet and bang. It won't be often that a May-December relationship of this sort has the kind of chemistry we have, but boy do we.

I was traveling last summer and met up w / a girl who had a real kink for older-younger sex, it was one of the wildest experience I have had. That cost me 600 for once, but I already had a room. If I were in her city we'd still be bangin'. And at a lower price point.

[QUOTE=Grimmy23;6545909]I don't know. Personally I find satisfaction in making a woman cum, assuming it's a real orgasm. Most of the time in this hobby it's fake, but there are a few unmistakable signs of the rare occasion when you can actually pull off a real one. It's a big turn on for me. The arching of the back, the bucking hips, the moaning, the wetness, and then it's time for me to get off. It adds a lot to the experience, for me at least.[/QUOTE]While as described below I'm on Team Selfish when it comes to paid sex, I totally understand guys who value getting their sex worker off. I like doing it too, but in my personal cost-benefit analysis it's not really relevant, it's just an added free bonus if it happens. Meaning I wouldn't pay more just for that extra satisfaction. But to each their own when spending their own $. We just need to distinguish those seeking mere sexual release from those seeking something "more" from their sex worker (aka your friend or baby or however you regard that girl you pay to spend time with you). Bitter experience has taught me that seeking "more" in this context is a fool's errand & just leads to disappointment, but maybe it'll be different for you. In any event, it's your money and your pleasure, so there's no wrong answer here.

[QUOTE=PelicanT99;6547858]While as described below I'm on Team Selfish when it comes to paid sex, I totally understand guys who value getting their sex worker off. I like doing it too, but in my personal cost-benefit analysis it's not really relevant, it's just an added free bonus if it happens. Meaning I wouldn't pay more just for that extra satisfaction. But to each their own when spending their own $. We just need to distinguish those seeking mere sexual release from those seeking something "more" from their sex worker (aka your friend or baby or however you regard that girl you pay to spend time with you). Bitter experience has taught me that seeking "more" in this context is a fool's errand & just leads to disappointment, but maybe it'll be different for you. In any event, it's your money and your pleasure, so there's no wrong answer here.[/QUOTE]I'm with you. Personally, I cum harder if I have at least what seems to be a mutual sexual experience. I won't pay more for DATY. That's pointless to me. But if she lets me get my head between her thighs and she genuinely enjoys it or at least does a good job of pretending to enjoy it, it makes it better when it's my turn. I always assume provider orgasms are fake unless proven otherwise. I have a few girls I've seen who either had real orgasms or did one hell of an academy award winning acting job, including causing a gush of wetness at the end. I'd much rather get my head between a girl's legs than lay face down and get a shitty massage for half an hour.