"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;5446242]If you use TextMe or Google Voice, you still need a working smartphone. And it is highly discouraged to just load it on your own personal cell phone, if you have a SO or any concern whatsoever about your sugar life crossing into your real life.[/QUOTE]I use it via Chrome on my phone in private mode. Just close the browser when I leave the office and safe till morning.

If you use it for calling, make sure you disable the forwarding calls to your real cell number so you don't get a call and at untimely hour.

Agree with FFA about Text Me. It can be a window you don't want your SO to see. I have used Text Me since day one. It's free, as long as you use it at least once every 30 days. First line free, additional lines cost. However, it is loaded with ads since it is free and sometimes the ads show up immediately after you send or receive a text and the ad hijacks your phone completely for 5 seconds. You have to let the ad finish before you can close it. That is my only complaint, so I turn off the media volume setting when I text. I don't want anyone hearing some random ad in the other room. IPad has the same text me app, and it does not hijack. Also, if you leave the app open and a girl texts you, your phone will notify you and it shows up on your home screen. So don't put it down at home when the app is open. My suggestion is to logout of the app, then completely uninstall the app from your phone at the end of the day. You won't lose any texts. I go a step further and delete my history of downloaded apps in AppStore. When you are ready to contact again, just download the app again, log in, see your new messages, and do your thing. Other nuances. If you don't contact a girl for 60 days, it will flush your text thread. Keep a written list of numbers hidden or just keep in touch. I've had girls reach out six months afterward and the app won't recognize the name so it's good to have a list to match the number up to. Also, if someone sends you a pic, it will attach itself to your photo gallery so be sure to delete it for photo gallery. It sounds like a lot of work but the app is easy, quick, and flies under the radar.

[QUOTE=RokurWorld;5446620]TextNow is also another free app. Costs money to lock in a number after inactivity, or for premium features, but otherwise, very easy to use.[/QUOTE]

Just wanted to say THANKS for all of the replies and view points! Good stuff all around! I am making some adjustments based on all of the great advice. THANK YOU!

Funny side note, as I was reading the advice posts, was in a text convo with a girl. Somehow she got offended and went to the "I'm not a prostitute" place! LOL! So I just inserted the advice / line given here and she's still on the line! LOL!

This place and youse guys are Golden!

The answers to your questions are mostly golden tactics, depending on your objective. If you're looking for a long-term arrangement, spend more time up front and make sure she's truly on the same page. If you're looking for a couple of trysts and then move on, you're more interested in the PPM game where you offer something reasonable for her time for a few hours. I shoot for single mothers 25-40 who have been neglected and want the attention as much as the cash. If the conversation is good and her situation allows for overnights or extended visits, especially if she can host, I'm going to shoot for long-term. If the best she can offer is a few hours, it will be PPM while my search continues.

[QUOTE=Shampoo55;5448273]Just wanted to say THANKS for all of the replies and view points! Good stuff all around! I am making some adjustments based on all of the great advice. THANK YOU!

Funny side note, as I was reading the advice posts, was in a text convo with a girl. Somehow she got offended and went to the "I'm not a prostitute" place! LOL! So I just inserted the advice / line given here and she's still on the line! LOL!

This place and youse guys are Golden![/QUOTE]

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/dc4f394c-c23d-4eec-9bd6-3e74a523fed6[/URL]

Little bit of a gem if you like them on the thicc side. Recently single and looking for a good time. Was on my way to her place, buried in her within minutes of meeting. Apartment does reek of cats. Went home with a perfume smell that was hard to get off.

Credit to Hungre1234 for post above.



Agree with everything, yet I would say she is more small BBW than thick but it's your call. Had a nice 2 hour out call with her recently. $250. She is free during week days and week nights. Unapologetic, pretty girl, nice brown eyes, confident and dtf. GFE. All holes. Takes all directions well. Squirter. She can host, too. Damages are not bad, and she is only going to be here until Fall. Bareback, passionate, nice kisser, CIP and CIMWS on the table. Treat her fair, and she will open up.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/2a24f791-2707-4b14-a62b-25cdce4ee0e8[/URL]

Anyone have intel on her?

Sometimes they're both! There has been a lot of discussion about this recently.

Have been chatting with this on on SA recently. [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/c1cc8ca1-8825-4dd8-bb58-8e448d6b417d[/URL].

She sent me her number today to start texting. I always Google the number and the first listing is her ad on Escort Monkey LOL.

[URL]https://www.eroticmonkey.ch/criss-escort-petersburg-942745[/URL]

Just sharing info.

[QUOTE=GeechieDan;5452434][URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/2a24f791-2707-4b14-a62b-25cdce4ee0e8[/URL]

Anyone have intel on her?[/QUOTE]Gave me her number right away sounds like a pro eager to meet have not jumped in yet.

That should be the rebranding of this site. The number of girls basically on for handouts, or as they put it "spoiling" is off the charts thanks to social media / tik tok and SA refusing to enforce its own rules for the female profiles. Rather than trying to improve it, SA makes it even worse as now their wish lists are automatically in the profile text and promoted even more.

I mean, has there ever been a site focused less on the paying customers than this one. It's so ripe for disruption it's insane. I still find gems but it gets worse and worse every day.

[QUOTE=TomDickNHarry;5454528]That should be the rebranding of this site. The number of girls basically on for handouts, or as they put it "spoiling" is off the charts thanks to social media / tik tok and SA refusing to enforce its own rules for the female profiles. Rather than trying to improve it, SA makes it even worse as now their wish lists are automatically in the profile text and promoted even more.

I mean, has there ever been a site focused less on the paying customers than this one. It's so ripe for disruption it's insane. I still find gems but it gets worse and worse every day.[/QUOTE]It's just a business monetizing any angle it can get its hands on! SD buys those gifts through their site, they get a kick back, no doubt. I mean Brandon Wade hasn't made enough money yet. He needs a $MM a month to support his SB. LOL.

But without enticing girls with the fantasy of something for nothing, a lot of girls wouldn't show up. No girls, no paying guys! LOL!

[QUOTE=TomDickNHarry;5454528]That should be the rebranding of this site. The number of girls basically on for handouts, or as they put it "spoiling" is off the charts thanks to social media / tik tok and SA refusing to enforce its own rules for the female profiles. Rather than trying to improve it, SA makes it even worse as now their wish lists are automatically in the profile text and promoted even more.

I mean, has there ever been a site focused less on the paying customers than this one. It's so ripe for disruption it's insane. I still find gems but it gets worse and worse every day.[/QUOTE]It's a weird business model for sure. The paying customer is the second rate citizen. The girls (the bait) is treated like a royalty. I get it, they need girls to generate customers but come on, does it have to be this bad for SDs? I'm guessing they ran the numbers and figured out this is the best way until their reputation is into the ground and guys stop paying for lack of value. As opposed to weeding out all scammers and platonic and ending up with too few girls. Thereby just re-enforcing the scammers and platonic requests since they run free on the site.

Like most, I only get a month's membership in SA at a time, build up a lot of contacts, and try to follow up on them even after my membership expires. However, I find that even if I have had good interactions texting with a POT, it can be difficult when I no longer have a profile on the site (I take it down when I am not paid, to prevent a lot of fruitless messaging) to them to engage. Does anyone have any tricks to get this going?

[QUOTE=EvilTmp;5455318]It's a weird business model for sure. The paying customer is the second rate citizen. The girls (the bait) is treated like a royalty. I get it, they need girls to generate customers but come on, does it have to be this bad for SDs? I'm guessing they ran the numbers and figured out this is the best way until their reputation is into the ground and guys stop paying for lack of value. As opposed to weeding out all scammers and platonic and ending up with too few girls. Thereby just re-enforcing the scammers and platonic requests since they run free on the site.[/QUOTE]Absolutely. After 30 days of poor contacts and got one out of 100 I stopped paying. I now only use BLK or tinder and my % of meeting has actually improved. I tracked my progress for 3 weeks. Out of 76 reach outs on BLK I got 10 responses then out of those I got 5 digits. So far I've met one which was successful and I got another meeting planned when I get chance to get to Va beach area. It's free costs me nothing but time. Be safe.

[QUOTE=EvilTmp;5455318]It's a weird business model for sure. The paying customer is the second rate citizen. The girls (the bait) is treated like a royalty. I get it, they need girls to generate customers but come on, does it have to be this bad for SDs? I'm guessing they ran the numbers and figured out this is the best way until their reputation is into the ground and guys stop paying for lack of value. As opposed to weeding out all scammers and platonic and ending up with too few girls. Thereby just re-enforcing the scammers and platonic requests since they run free on the site.[/QUOTE]The sad part is, even if someone circulated a petition to get guys to boycott the site until they straightened that shit out, you couldn't get enough participation to have any effect. The lure of the very possibility of pussy is too strong for some / most of the guys on there.

Move the conversation off SA as quickly as possible. It's safer to do your negotiating away from their prying eyes. And you don't lose your contact information when your membership expires.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;5455353]Like most, I only get a month's membership in SA at a time, build up a lot of contacts, and try to follow up on them even after my membership expires. However, I find that even if I have had good interactions texting with a POT, it can be difficult when I no longer have a profile on the site (I take it down when I am not paid, to prevent a lot of fruitless messaging) to them to engage. Does anyone have any tricks to get this going?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RogerOver;5455420]The sad part is, even if someone circulated a petition to get guys to boycott the site until they straightened that shit out, you couldn't get enough participation to have any effect. The lure of the very possibility of pussy is too strong for some / most of the guys on there.[/QUOTE]I would sign that petition. I say we boycott on No Nut November. The only way any company will change is if you hit them in the wallet.

[QUOTE=ErnestLl;5426682]Bless you, my child. YOu are doing the Lord's work and should be sainted![/QUOTE]Amen to that! I am now inspired to continue the mission. Thank you Dogbert77.

[QUOTE=Hal1957;5456200]Move the conversation off SA as quickly as possible. It's safer to do your negotiating away from their prying eyes. And you don't lose your contact information when your membership expires.[/QUOTE]I have their phone #s to text, and screen grabs of their profiles in case they have taken them down. That's not the point. I text them to try to rekindle some action, I often get little uptake.

I may have misinterpreted your post. So many of these girls create profiles and then abandon them after when they don't land a whale the first few days. Are these girls who continue to be active on the web site? If she hasn't checked her account in the last 3 days, she isn't serious or she's taken.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;5456652]I have their phone #s to text, and screen grabs of their profiles in case they have taken them down. That's not the point. I text them to try to rekindle some action, I often get little uptake.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TheHobbyLobby;5456246]I would sign that petition. I say we boycott on No Nut November. The only way any company will change is if you hit them in the wallet.[/QUOTE]The problem is, there is no real competition to SA. Even with all the chaff, it is the only site with wheat. Almost all of us have tried other sugar sites, they don't have the quality or quantity of women we're looking for.

Has anyone had any experience or have intel on the two below? Both dtf.

Exoticbby - [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/68fb550f-9cae-4faa-9f43-11d83edb1937[/URL].

Milkacoco3 - [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/4b7318a8-31a6-4977-8044-7f67a53f88be[/URL].

How do you use Tender, do you post a picture of someone else? I'd love to use it, I could rack up but I'm afraid someone I know would see it.

[QUOTE=Jcn1965;5455355]Absolutely. After 30 days of poor contacts and got one out of 100 I stopped paying. I now only use BLK or tinder and my % of meeting has actually improved. I tracked my progress for 3 weeks. Out of 76 reach outs on BLK I got 10 responses then out of those I got 5 digits. So far I've met one which was successful and I got another meeting planned when I get chance to get to Va beach area. It's free costs me nothing but time. Be safe.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Lemooky1764;5456607]Amen to that! I am now inspired to continue the mission. Thank you Dogbert77.[/QUOTE]Piece be with you, my son. Now go forth and score thyself a piece.

Anyone have any info? Only reports a few years old. Thank you.

Wanted to meet in just a few hours. Then came the request for $20 cashapp. I politely declined.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/a47247a9-c9e7-43d3-8d95-9cf8a583899d[/URL]

[QUOTE=Dakota1212;5457503]How do you use Tender, do you post a picture of someone else? I'd love to use it, I could rack up but I'm afraid someone I know would see it.[/QUOTE]I posted a picture of me wearing a mask and a hat so you can tell it's me but you can't be sure. I don't have a SO so I really dgf who sees it. The mask is a good tool to use to say I'm safe and hide who you are all at same time. Be safe.

This thread is generally regarded as the first and the most widely ready by SD / Mongers.

As such I wanted to post the danger of the new Apple Airtags to the SD / SB lifestyle.

These little things are a bad actor SD / monger / stalker's wet dream. They are so small and can be slipped into the bottom of a SB's bag or even car and never found. The the bad actor can track his SB. Not sure how Apple would react to relinquishing the owner of an AirTag without a Court Subpoena.

IN REVERSE. Those of us SD's that are worried about revealing our true identities can easily be "AirTagged" by the SB and tracked back to our homes and places of work. It is SO EASY.

So in the case of the SD Airtagging the SB -- it will only take one real public and tragic case to explode in our faces. National Press and end of the seeking site.

In the case of an SB Airtagging her SD -- he is so fucked!!

No idea how we can defend ourselves against these things -- does anybody know of a BluTooth scanner that can scan bags / room for active devices?

SATraveler.

[QUOTE=ColinRva;5458534]Anyone have any info? Only reports a few years old. Thank you.[/QUOTE]I've messaged her off site off and on. Never actually met. Seems DTF but so far only talk and no action.

I didn't know these things existed. Good post. There appears to be some recognition by Apple about the risk of those with nefarious intent. From the Apple site:

AirTag is designed to discourage unwanted tracking. If someone else's AirTag finds its way into your stuff, your iPhone will notice it's traveling with you and send you an alert. After a while, if you still haven't found it, the AirTag will start playing a sound to let you know it's there.

Of course, if you happen to be with a friend who has an AirTag, or on a train with a whole bunch of people with AirTag, don't worry. These alerts are triggered only when an AirTag is separated from its owner.

[QUOTE=SaTraveler;5458755]This thread is generally regarded as the first and the most widely ready by SD / Mongers.

As such I wanted to post the danger of the new Apple Airtags to the SD / SB lifestyle.

These little things are a bad actor SD / monger / stalker's wet dream. They are so small and can be slipped into the bottom of a SB's bag or even car and never found. The the bad actor can track his SB. Not sure how Apple would react to relinquishing the owner of an AirTag without a Court Subpoena.

IN REVERSE. Those of us SD's that are worried about revealing our true identities can easily be "AirTagged" by the SB and tracked back to our homes and places of work. It is SO EASY.

So in the case of the SD Airtagging the SB -- it will only take one real public and tragic case to explode in our faces. National Press and end of the seeking site.

In the case of an SB Airtagging her SD -- he is so fucked!!

No idea how we can defend ourselves against these things -- does anybody know of a BluTooth scanner that can scan bags / room for active devices?

SATraveler.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SaTraveler;5458755]This thread is generally regarded as the first and the most widely ready by SD / Mongers.

As such I wanted to post the danger of the new Apple Airtags to the SD / SB lifestyle.

These little things are a bad actor SD / monger / stalker's wet dream. They are so small and can be slipped into the bottom of a SB's bag or even car and never found. The the bad actor can track his SB. Not sure how Apple would react to relinquishing the owner of an AirTag without a Court Subpoena.

IN REVERSE. Those of us SD's that are worried about revealing our true identities can easily be "AirTagged" by the SB and tracked back to our homes and places of work. It is SO EASY.

So in the case of the SD Airtagging the SB -- it will only take one real public and tragic case to explode in our faces. National Press and end of the seeking site.

In the case of an SB Airtagging her SD -- he is so fucked!!

No idea how we can defend ourselves against these things -- does anybody know of a BluTooth scanner that can scan bags / room for active devices?

SATraveler.[/QUOTE]According to Apples website, IPhones will alert you if someone else's Air Tag finds its way into your belongings. Of course it seems as if this only works if you have an iPhone. I'm not sure if Android phones will detect it.

[QUOTE=GeechieDan;5458852]According to Apples website, IPhones will alert you if someone else's Air Tag finds its way into your belongings. Of course it seems as if this only works if you have an iPhone. I'm not sure if Android phones will detect it.[/QUOTE]Correct -- if you own Android you are out of luck with a warning.

They are also easy to drop in the back of a car. Not so close I suspect as to trigger the warning??

[QUOTE=ColinRva;5458534]Anyone have any info? Only reports a few years old. Thank you.[/QUOTE]She is a pro, she has been on the site for a few years.

[QUOTE=GeechieDan;5458852]According to Apples website, IPhones will alert you if someone else's Air Tag finds its way into your belongings. Of course it seems as if this only works if you have an iPhone. I'm not sure if Android phones will detect it.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SaTraveler;5458860]Correct -- if you own Android you are out of luck with a warning.

They are also easy to drop in the back of a car. Not so close I suspect as to trigger the warning??[/QUOTE]I posted this somewhere else a while back, but appears relevant here.

You may not be in your car or near your backpack when it decides to chirp for 15 seconds. Plus Android users get no alert on the phone. Not the end of the world, just saying it's gotten much easier.

[URL=https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/05/05/apple-airtags-stalking/]Apple AirTags only partly stop stalking - The Washington Post[/URL]

From the article:

[I]I got multiple alerts: from the hidden AirTag and on my iPhone. But it wasnt hard to find ways an abusive partner could circumvent Apples systems. To name one: The audible alarm only rang after three days and then it turned out to be just 15 seconds of light chirping. And another: While an iPhone alerted me that an unknown AirTag was moving with me, similar warnings arent available for the roughly half of Americans who use Android phones.[/I]

[QUOTE=RogerOver;5458890]I posted this somewhere else a while back, but appears relevant here.

You may not be in your car or near your backpack when it decides to chirp for 15 seconds. Plus Android users get no alert on the phone. Not the end of the world, just saying it's gotten much easier.

[URL=https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/05/05/apple-airtags-stalking/]Apple AirTags only partly stop stalking - The Washington Post[/URL]

From the article:

[I]I got multiple alerts: from the hidden AirTag and on my iPhone. But it wasnt hard to find ways an abusive partner could circumvent Apples systems. To name one: The audible alarm only rang after three days and then it turned out to be just 15 seconds of light chirping. And another: While an iPhone alerted me that an unknown AirTag was moving with me, similar warnings arent available for the roughly half of Americans who use Android phones.[/I][/QUOTE]Has anyone seen one of these? What do they look like? How hard is it to find one if one goes looking after a SB has been in your car?

But looks like AirTags isn't the only device of this kind:
Tile Tracker
SmartTags

https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/airtags-vs-tile-and-smarttag-apples-bluetooth-tracker-isnt-necessarily-the-best/

Can anyone report use of this tech to track/scan for tags? Does it work?
https://mashtips.com/find-nearby-airtag-with-android/

[QUOTE=GeechieDan;5458852]According to Apples website, IPhones will alert you if someone else's Air Tag finds its way into your belongings. Of course it seems as if this only works if you have an iPhone. I'm not sure if Android phones will detect it.[/QUOTE]I have got 8 of them for testing -- they are ALL on my Apple I'd account. There is no concept from Apple that family and friends can "share them" - for example I have one on the keys of a car we share -- when the warden takes the car she is no longer with me -- I have had NO WARNING and the Airtag has NOT started beeping at all.

I can only think that the fact that the AirTag is with a Family / Friend who is associated with the account is stopping the alarm warning! Either way -- remember that the Warden could drop an airtag in your gymbag!!

It is possible that as another poster mentioned - it takes THREE days to activate -- so as long as she gets together with my iPhone or an iPad or something within three days -- it resets it !

The most worrying thing here is that I am sure you all are used to turning off location services on your phone when mongering/SD -- with the Airtags -- if they are on her account -- then only the warden can track them - not you -- and you cannot turn them off !

The police are already seeing the use for them ! :

https://www.macrumors.com/2021/07/19/police-find-unexpected-use-for-airtags/

[QUOTE=RogerOver;5458890]I posted this somewhere else a while back, but appears relevant here.

You may not be in your car or near your backpack when it decides to chirp for 15 seconds. Plus Android users get no alert on the phone. Not the end of the world, just saying it's gotten much easier.

[URL=https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/05/05/apple-airtags-stalking/]Apple AirTags only partly stop stalking - The Washington Post[/URL]

From the article:

[I]I got multiple alerts: from the hidden AirTag and on my iPhone. But it wasnt hard to find ways an abusive partner could circumvent Apples systems. To name one: The audible alarm only rang after three days and then it turned out to be just 15 seconds of light chirping. And another: While an iPhone alerted me that an unknown AirTag was moving with me, similar warnings arent available for the roughly half of Americans who use Android phones.[/I][/QUOTE][URL]https://www.macrumors.com/2021/05/05/airtags-anti-stalking-measures-not-sufficient/?Bibblio_source=true[/URL]

So if the Airtag returns home within three days and re-connects - it resets the timer -- Warden will know everything about your location !

[QUOTE=ColinRva;5458534]Anyone have any info? Only reports a few years old. Thank you.[/QUOTE]She has been on the site for a few years, clean and very nice. Drugs I think.

[QUOTE=SaTraveler;5459202]I have got 8 of them for testing -- they are ALL on my Apple I'd account. There is no concept from Apple that family and friends can "share them" - for example I have one on the keys of a car we share -- when the warden takes the car she is no longer with me -- I have had NO WARNING and the Airtag has NOT started beeping at all.

I can only think that the fact that the AirTag is with a Family / Friend who is associated with the account is stopping the alarm warning! Either way -- remember that the Warden could drop an airtag in your gymbag!!

It is possible that as another poster mentioned - it takes THREE days to activate -- so as long as she gets together with my iPhone or an iPad or something within three days -- it resets it !

The most worrying thing here is that I am sure you all are used to turning off location services on your phone when mongering/SD -- with the Airtags -- if they are on her account -- then only the warden can track them - not you -- and you cannot turn them off !

The police are already seeing the use for them ! :

https://www.macrumors.com/2021/07/19/police-find-unexpected-use-for-airtags/[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SaTraveler;5459215][URL]https://www.macrumors.com/2021/05/05/airtags-anti-stalking-measures-not-sufficient/?Bibblio_source=true[/URL]

So if the Airtag returns home within three days and re-connects - it resets the timer -- Warden will know everything about your location ![/QUOTE]Well, if your SO or "warden" is tracking you that closely, she's most likely suspicious about your activities anyway. Personally, I'd worry more about some SB dropping it down in the seat of a car.

Logged into SA today, for me they are currently offering a 20% discount. I have a trip to Vegas at the end of August, some of it alone, I think I'll try fishing in a new sugar bowl.

[QUOTE=BaldEagle;5458878]She is a pro, she has been on the site for a few years.[/QUOTE]Could someone dm me contact? My message isn't going through on SA. Other messages are.