"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

Here is some info on a few I've been chatting with.

Amanda [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/9014b5ff-9de0-47cb-8c57-de2e696bf656[/URL] Wants $300 just for dinner dates, plus prizes like new dresses and shoes to wear on said dates LOL Anything beyond that is extra. Cannot host if you get that far. Not worth it IMO.

Lesleylou [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/4c5eae7a-8efd-4c27-ae77-b0f607c64f99[/URL] No interest in meeting, just trying to sell pics.

Cleo_queen69 [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/bb23c88e-e389-4b7f-87dc-d1393313fab4[/URL] Conversation was going great until she said she needed a $600 week allowance in order to meet anyone.

HotNerd [URL]https://www.seeking.com/messages/inbox/97023e3a-f6fc-4ecf-8164-27150bc9663b[/URL] Sent intro email and immediately received a reply to take it offline at her personal email address. Usually a sign of a scammer. Did not email her.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/efd7ac5c-f566-424c-a5ea-f00fb697107b[/URL]

Anyone have info on her. Definitely seems DTF.

[QUOTE=TheHobbyLobby;5428597]Well I just finished my month of SA and I only signed up because there was a discount of $25 dollars. I should have kept my money. Below are my issues.

- Women aren't even opening up my emails. So low open rate.

- womoen who do open up aren't opening them until 3 weeks after I send it out. I only have a 30 month subscription so the math doesn't work out.

- The few that I do get to reply half are scammers.

- The remainder go silent for some reason.

- I met the only women I connected with today and man what a catfish. She was bigger and came dressed like a homeless person. I was embarrassed to be seen with her.

Damn waste of time.[/QUOTE]I'm with you I bet my % is just as good using BLK, tinder snap or any other social media for free. I've got enough money but I just hate wasting it on things that wasn't worth it. Not bashing anybody who does and maybe I was doing something wrong but rarely did I ever find a SB that fit what I wanted.

[QUOTE=KevinCalormis;5426898]Nothing you said doesn't make them ******. I've had many 18 yo first timers that have shown up at my hotel still unsure of themselves. When we are done, they're ******. Not $20 streetwalkers or high end professional escorts, but still ******.[/QUOTE]LOL. I never said they weren't * although I don't understand why it is so important to some guys on here to label them * Does that make you feel superior? I only was only taking issue with the "they're all same" and "no different from a $20 streetwalker" contingent. If that is your view, you are missing out on the real value available on SA and should probably stick to $20 streetwalkers. Save yourself a lot of time, aggravation and money. BTW, are $20 streetwalkers really a thing? I confess to no experience with them if they are, and would probably rather not think about what they look like.

[QUOTE=ErnestLl;5426682]Bless you, my child. YOu are doing the Lord's work and should be sainted![/QUOTE]Thank you, brother. Surprisingly, this opinion is not widely shared, so I need all the endorsements I can get. Meanwhile, I will keep selflessly bringing happiness to these young ladies, one rough f* at a time.

[QUOTE=Passport4;5426303]I have been a member of SA for several years. I mostly am not a member, but will periodically buy a membership when there is a sale. Recently, I noticed that most of my old messages have disappeared. I understand that as they disappear when a certain period of time has lapsed. But also, my favorites have almost all disappeared except for some more recent ones. I was never aware of this, and since some of the favorites go back a few years, if a time period made them disappear, this should have happened long before now. Is anyone aware of this, and has this also happened to you. Or was I just nicely chosen by SA since I only have a membership infrequently? This is very frustrating as now even if I rejoin, I would have to try and find these ladies that I remember by picture, but not name or actual location.[/QUOTE]Well that's good to know.

Asking for a friend:

I found this amazing girl, great body, reasonable price. And, she is OK with car sex. Great fun.

I am mortified that we are going to be busted by a cop.

Maybe he will tell me to get a room.

What if he wants to apply the law?

How serious is a crime if you get caught having sex in the car?

I Am in PA.

P.S. I'll get a room if I could. Save your breath on that.

[QUOTE=FTP1999;5429170]Asking for a friend:

I found this amazing girl, great body, reasonable price. And, she is OK with car sex. Great fun.

I am mortified that we are going to be busted by a cop.

Maybe he will tell me to get a room.

What if he wants to apply the law?

How serious is a crime if you get caught having sex in the car?

I Am in PA.

P.S. I'll get a room if I could. Save your breath on that.[/QUOTE]Probably get a public indecency charge if dude is being a hard ass. Er, that is unless he gets you to confess to paying her money (or she fesses up to prostitution) and then he'll charge you with prostitution (soliciting). Make sure that neither you nor your date has controlled substances on you! That is a felony charge that often doesn't go away. Constructive possession issue.

[QUOTE=Shampoo55;5429217]Probably get a public indecency charge if dude is being a hard ass. Er, that is unless he gets you to confess to paying her money (or she fesses up to prostitution) and then he'll charge you with prostitution (soliciting). Make sure that neither you nor your date has controlled substances on you! That is a felony charge that often doesn't go away. Constructive possession issue.[/QUOTE]Always remember to not say anything. The more you say the more likely your gunna get busted. The girl probably already knows that but remind her just in case. If she's not known to them more than likely you'll get a move on warning. I hate car dates! Get a room LOL. Be safe.

[QUOTE=Jcn1965;5429379]Always remember to not say anything. The more you say the more likely your gunna get busted. The girl probably already knows that but remind her just in case. If she's not known to them more than likely you'll get a move on warning. I hate car dates! Get a room LOL. Be safe.[/QUOTE]Telling a girl not to talk or confess to the police and counting on her to follow that advice is just a waste of time IMO. Most people cave under questioning. If they didn't, cops wouldn't even bother trying it. So the best you can do is make sure you keep your mouth shut.

[QUOTE=Shampoo55;5429217]Probably get a public indecency charge if dude is being a hard ass. Er, that is unless he gets you to confess to paying her money (or she fesses up to prostitution) and then he'll charge you with prostitution (soliciting). Make sure that neither you nor your date has controlled substances on you! That is a felony charge that often doesn't go away. Constructive possession issue.[/QUOTE]Worst worst case? Indecent exposure charge in a jurisdiction where that is a 'sex offense' and leads to listing on a public sex offender registry. Not a joke!

[QUOTE=Bran001;5430128]Worst worst case? Indecent exposure charge in a jurisdiction where that is a 'sex offense' and leads to listing on a public sex offender registry. Not a joke![/QUOTE]Does that kind of Public Registry fit with the PA Code?

Every time I click on a picture I get " profile not found ' If I click on the message I sent her I can bring up her page Very strange and annoying.

Any suggestions Thanks CM.

I messaged her some but she was very unreliable about following up. Sensed there was potential drama there, so I didn't really pursue.

[QUOTE=TheHobbyLobby;5415880]Has anyone met this SB. I am chatting with her and we are looking to meet this weekend. She says she is 18 so I always like to proceed with caution. Appreciate any help.[/QUOTE]

A few updates from my most recent excursions:

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/62de8012-2700-4690-9364-34fcf1718e98[/URL]

Has a gf, they'll do doubles. Asks 400 for each but will negotiate. Both decent bodies and a good time. They often drive to RVA. Semi pro vibe.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/b79d4f3e-c61b-4d39-a016-9fbcd8cb8a01[/URL]

Moves over to social media, says she wants 400, agrees to meet them goes MIA.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/22b876a6-12db-4d9d-b930-5c022fa75c00[/URL]

Hosts in RVA, asks for 400, will negotiate. Seems like she's done this before.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/dc4f394c-c23d-4eec-9bd6-3e74a523fed6[/URL]

Little bit of a gem if you like them on the thicc side. Recently single and looking for a good time. Was on my way to her place, buried in her within minutes of meeting. Apartment does reek of cats. Went home with a perfume smell that was hard to get off.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/e3ec2e72-a3ae-40e2-baae-b753184c5836[/URL]

Don't let the pictures fool you, they're not that nice. Car head that wasn't memorable, when I went to touch the kitty she complained for more money. Wouldn't repeat, wouldn't recommend.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/7f337953-ddcd-44c7-957f-e9198b7a438d[/URL]

Tried to get a massage out of this one but she's only into pictures.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/cd4112da-c099-41b0-9a06-8da327f81976[/URL]

Late on this, looks like she's gone but if you catch her she's good to go. Will meet you in a room, 300, cuter than her pics.

Hope that's helpful guys. I know we all have our keepers but more reviews on this thread would be great.

I do in the car most of the time. Usually find big huge parking lots, remote hiking locations, or huge parks, tinted windows, sun shades, etc.

It's risky yes, but I love the rush and have been avoiding hotels lately due to the extra money etc.

Car head is the best, I also bring a toy for the girls too.

Stay safe.

AD.

[QUOTE=FTP1999;5429170]Asking for a friend:

I found this amazing girl, great body, reasonable price. And, she is OK with car sex. Great fun.

I am mortified that we are going to be busted by a cop.

Maybe he will tell me to get a room.

What if he wants to apply the law?

How serious is a crime if you get caught having sex in the car?

I Am in PA.

P.S. I'll get a room if I could. Save your breath on that.[/QUOTE]

Would ya??

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/7d12dc83-0c7c-4738-a72a-1c49e80eca9b[/URL]

[QUOTE=GeechieDan;5432507]Would ya??

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/7d12dc83-0c7c-4738-a72a-1c49e80eca9b[/URL][/QUOTE]Hell ya. Legs just get in the way, always wanted a girl with just stumps lmao.

[QUOTE=GoinDonkey;5428459]Yeah, I stand corrected. I usually leave the search on Sort By Newest, but this morning I changed it to Sort By Recently Active, and in the first couple of pages of results I did see some girls I know had been on my Favorites, and they weren't favorited anymore. No pattern that I could see to which ones it lost and which it didn't.

A couple of weeks ago I had a problem for a few days where I couldn't add anyone new to Favorites, or un-favorite anyone. The heart icon just did nothing. Maybe something related to them fixing that issue is what messed this up.[/QUOTE]I've noticed the same as both of you. The favorite thing seemed to be a browser problem, but I still have the "favorites disappearing" problem.

[QUOTE=GoinDonkey;5428459]Yeah, I stand corrected. I usually leave the search on Sort By Newest, but this morning I changed it to Sort By Recently Active, and in the first couple of pages of results I did see some girls I know had been on my Favorites, and they weren't favorited anymore. No pattern that I could see to which ones it lost and which it didn't.

A couple of weeks ago I had a problem for a few days where I couldn't add anyone new to Favorites, or un-favorite anyone. The heart icon just did nothing. Maybe something related to them fixing that issue is what messed this up.[/QUOTE]I have had a problem w / favs thing for over a week now, it won't let me add anyone as a fav, site is fucked up.

So I finally got a burner phone using the straight talk network and I bought a card all with cash. However, buying minutes expire after 30 days. Are there any minutes that do not expire. I don't hobby often so I hate to think I will need to buy minute cards just to call an AMP to make an appointment. I used it a lot for the sugar bowl but I do that even less frequently. Also I only use SA for about 30 days at a time and I don't want to miss any text that some SB may be trying to text me.

So I am now seeing a few girls profiles greyed out with a grey "not" circle.

One says:

[I]Unable to send a message as user is no longer active.[/I]

Yet a second one says:

[I]The user's account has been deactivated.[/I]

So what doe these mean?

I would guess the 'no longer active' is they left the site or blocked me?

The 'deactivated' seems like they got kicked off? I guess it could be they turned their profile off?

Anyone know for certain, what these mean?

Unable to send message they blocked you and deactivated is they have actually deactivated but not disabled the account

[QUOTE=Shampoo55;5436621]So I am now seeing a few girls profiles greyed out with a grey "not" circle.

One says:

[I]Unable to send a message as user is no longer active.[/I]

Yet a second one says:

[I]The user's account has been deactivated.[/I]

So what doe these mean?

I would guess the 'no longer active' is they left the site or blocked me?

The 'deactivated' seems like they got kicked off? I guess it could be they turned their profile off?

Anyone know for certain, what these mean?[/QUOTE].

Had a brief convo with her off site. She seems genuine. Not really my type for other reasons, but otherwise seems like a nice woman.

[QUOTE=GeechieDan;5432507]Would ya??

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/7d12dc83-0c7c-4738-a72a-1c49e80eca9b[/URL][/QUOTE]

OK, kind of interested in learning from others how they negotiate an allowance or PPM amount with babies (POTs)? Perhaps my style could use some upgrades?

When do you negotiate sugar? Email / text or during the M&G?

Do you bring up the subject or wait on her to do it?

How do you bring up the subject?

Do you ask her to give her price first? Or make the first offer?

If you make the first offer, do you low-ball it as to not bid against yourself? Or offer a 'take it or leave it' number?

How do you handle it when she is high? Walk away? Counter?

If you counter how do you help her accept your figure or move toward it, off her number?

Thanks in advance gents!

[QUOTE=Shampoo55;5443080]OK, kind of interested in learning from others how they negotiate an allowance or PPM amount with babies (POTs)? Perhaps my style could use some upgrades?

When do you negotiate sugar? Email / text or during the M&G?

Do you bring up the subject or wait on her to do it?

How do you bring up the subject?

Do you ask her to give her price first? Or make the first offer?

If you make the first offer, do you low-ball it as to not bid against yourself? Or offer a 'take it or leave it' number?

How do you handle it when she is high? Walk away? Counter?

If you counter how do you help her accept your figure or move toward it, off her number?

Thanks in advance gents![/QUOTE]I don't claim to have a magic formula, but my approach is to First try to determine if she is a SW or wanting the SB experience. If they mention that they have had a lot of arrangements in the past, she's probably a SW and has a set price that is negotiable only when it's been a slow week or have unexpected expenses. If I think they want the SB experience, I try to start the negotiations on the assumption that they want something consistent. So I try to start negotiations on the premise that we will see each other once a week or so. So she can see past the daily stuff and envision a much larger monthly sum. If they have some ungodly figure in their head bc her sisters hairdresser said she gets 3 k a month from her SD, I politely let them know that's unrealistic and that we wouldn't be a good fit.

Then I help her do the math. 1200 a month and we see each other once a week =300 ppm, etc. SA is a mixed bag as it no longer truly caters to those wanting to be a SB. There's picture sellers, those seeking an "online" arrangement (whatever that is LOL), SWs, and of course the 25% who actually want an arrangement.

[QUOTE=Shampoo55;5443080]Do you ask her to give her price first? Or make the first offer?

If you make the first offer, do you low-ball it as to not bid against yourself? Or offer a 'take it or leave it' number?

How do you handle it when she is high? Walk away? Counter?

Thanks in advance gents![/QUOTE]You will get a wide variety of answers on this because its largely based on a monger's philosophy towards the hobby. Some believe you should always negotiate and others don't and this impacts the answer you seek.

Personally, I always do it via text prior to any meetups taking place. If the girl doesn't mention it in her first 1-2 responses I'll ask them how much they value their time. I try to address the issue pretty early on because if she's out of my price range then its good to know asap so I don't waste my time. I'm not big on negotiating prices personally, I always have some number in my head of how much I'm willing to pay based on my interest level before I ever even reach out to her. If she comes back with that number or below it then I move forward. If she's above it I tell them straight up they are over what my budget will allow, I thank them for their time and then prepare to move on. The ones that are open to negotiating price usually counter me with a lower offer on their own that I then accept / decline. The ones that don't want to negotiate just move on, but in either case things proceed peacefully.

Doing it this way gives the girl the opportunity to decide if she wants to bend on her pricing on her own, without me ever insulting her (which is what I feel we're doing when she says "I'm worth this much" and we say "no you aren't, you're only worth this). Haggling a girl to a price that is lower than she naturally wanted to go just sets the wrong tone and makes them more likely to give a shitty performance during your encounter. But like I said, there will be others who disagree and take a different approach.

Seeking, secret etc. are car dealer show rooms. You are the customer with money. Keep in mind that there are usually more cars than customers in any given day, assuming you are not a total dick or not extremely repulsive you are the prize.

A car won't give a shit if you negotiated on price but a girl might. There are many different kinds of girls on seeking. There are escorts, there are escorts that will not admit to being escorts, then there are true sugar babies. The escort that won't accept she is an escort will probably be offended and may compromise the service you get. The escort will not be offense and perform as usual. For the true sugar baby, her performance is based on how much she likes you, the money is necessary but separate from the relationship (an escort will fuck you if you have money, an sugar baby may fuck you if you have money).

For a sugar baby I will discuss allowance at or after first meeting, a low ball will only give her a reason not to enter into the relationship, once she has met you she has already decided whether or not she is going to have sex with you, and the money is a formality.

Curious if you guys have a preference for Mr. Benjamin or Mr. Jackson when giving sugar.

First off, here is where we get into the dichotomy / contradictions of whether or not SBs are pros or not. You'd never go on EROS and try to negotiate an hour or two with a pro, but somehow these pros really aren't pros.

But I think you can use that to your advantage. I usually include in my texting a discourse on how sugar isn't sex work since she isn't spreading her legs for anyone with the price of admission, becasue there isn't a set price or menu of service to pick from -- this usually makes them feel better about spreading their legs for a variable price and doing all sorts of things without an upcharge!

[QUOTE=Shampoo55;5443080]Do you bring up the subject or wait on her to do it? [/QUOTE]Depends. If she's had an arrangement before, Ill ask "how was your last arrangement structured in terms of frequency of meetings, activities / dates, and benefits" and let her tell me what she is used to -- which is probably inflated on all counts, but again is the starting point of moving forward or not. If they expect to be squired out to dinner before hotel time, I'm out since I'm married and have no out of town travel scheduled anytime soon. Plus you want to make the discussioin about more than money. Mentoring, networking, assistance navigating adulting -- whatever you want to call it is of value to the yoiung and clueless and makes them feel more at ease.

[QUOTE=Shampoo55;5443080]How do you bring up the subject?[/QUOTE]Again, depends. I usually ask their motivation for joining SA -- they usually complain about dating soy boys, and I commisserate. Eventually they mention student debt, medical bills, saving for grad school or they want luxuries they can't afford. Again, commiserate with all that, bring up how I've handled similar situations before. And always include humor and innuendo when discussing $$ initially "So what kind of student loan bailout package would you be expecting for an afternoon of _ (fill in the blank with metaphor of something sexual you've discussed. "Making your toes curl".

[QUOTE=Shampoo55;5443080]Do you ask her to give her price first? Or make the first offer? [/QUOTE]Again, if they've done this before, you would have your answer or if you ask about their motivations first, you'; ll get some insight. But I also honestly tell them how my previoius arrangements went, because the newbies often ask,. I've only rarely gone over $400, so I'm not lying or lowballing when I tell them $300 per meeting is in oreder, but also highlight the non-monetary benefits. Also depends on how they learned about Seeking. If a friend told them, I ask how much they know about their friend's arrangment (make sure they know banging is the basis of any arrangement, and some idea of the $$.

[QUOTE=Shampoo55;5443080] If you make the first offer, do you low-ball it as to not bid against yourself? Or offer a 'take it or leave it' number? [/QUOTE]Again depends. I don't believe in low-balling. I give them an honest offer based on what I think their time and likely talents are worth to me. Some wiggle room based on other factors -- since I don't travel, about half the women I see will drive an hour to meet me, so I value that.

[QUOTE=Shampoo55;5443080]How do you handle it when she is high? Walk away? Counter? [/QUOTE]I just tell them that $$ isn't really in my budget. "There will always be someone on the site who is better looking, better built, has a fatter wallet or a fatter cock, but you will be hard press to find someone who _ more than me" and fill in the blank with what you think might get her to appreciate the non $$ aspect of it. If they are JUST in it for the $$ (not all are, best SB I ever had only asked $300 and drove an hour + to see me), then they will move on.

[QUOTE=Shampoo55;5443080] If you counter how do you help her accept your figure or move toward it, off her number? [/QUOTE]I see the problem of countering and making it a full on negotiation is she is likely to feel cheated / getting less than and it won't last long -- she will always be looking for the bigger bucks.

Anyone met up with her before? We started talking but I wasn't able to get our schedules to work. Now she's been hitting me up every few days even though I haven't responded. I'm halfway tempted to meet up with her but she seems a little cray cray.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/d833a851-d1a9-495b-8380-3e950fc479ff[/URL]

[QUOTE=Shampoo55;5443080]OK, kind of interested in learning from others how they negotiate an allowance or PPM amount with babies (POTs)? Perhaps my style could use some upgrades?

When do you negotiate sugar? Email / text or during the M&G?

Do you bring up the subject or wait on her to do it?

How do you bring up the subject?

Thanks in advance gents![/QUOTE]You will of course get lots of different viewpoints on this, but my approach seems to be fairly unusual so I thought I would share. I NEVER bring up price talk. When they bring it up, I try to deflect, at least until the first meet. Of course, a lot of girls won't meet without a price discussion. When it is clear that is the case, I will throw out my number.

Once at the M&G, I focus on the game and try to get them to the hotel. I always schedule the M&G at a time when I can go to the FC and try to get them there on first meet. I again avoid price talk if possible. I make generalized references to helping them out, etc. , but no numbers and definitely no menu discussions. You would be amazed at how many girls will go with you to the hotel and fuck your brains out without a deal on price. I have had dozens of girls where I just stuffed cash into their purse afterwards with no deal in advance. Most (not all) of them were satisfied with the contribution and the experience and were willing to meet again. Some of them have seller's remorse afterward because they thought they would get more, but by that time I have drained my load and can look for the next one. The great thing about fucking is that they can't take the merchandise back.

Similarly, along with he "no menu discussion" I never bring up condoms (but always bring them). I just proceed on the assumption everything is bare and it is up to them to cross their legs if they object. This method achieves a high percentage of raw dog penetration and I think a higher percentage than if I asked in advance.

This method requires more of a time investment because you are looking for someone who is pretty rare on SA. My success rate of getting them to the M&G is very low. But my success rate of getting from there to them providing a great GFE is very high. I believe this method weeds out the pros and helps me achieve the best quality experience. Most of these girls, and almost all of the gems, don't want to think of themselves as pros. Help them maintain that self-image, and you will be rewarded with great sex at a reasonable price.

First message is asking for number and ready to meet asap! But. Venmo first!

Pics show up on google of someone not in Richmond.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/03fad34b-f56b-4b6f-ba08-804cb13c1918[/URL]

[URL]https://www.instagram.com/mikaadenise/[/URL]

[QUOTE=EasyeOne;5444501]First message is asking for number and ready to meet asap! But. Venmo first!

Pics show up on google of someone not in Richmond.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/03fad34b-f56b-4b6f-ba08-804cb13c1918[/URL]

[URL]https://www.instagram.com/mikaadenise/[/URL][/QUOTE]I knew she asked for my number way too quickly. She hasn't asked for Venmo yet but she's way too eager.

[QUOTE=TheHobbyLobby;5435546]So I finally got a burner phone using the straight talk network and I bought a card all with cash. However, buying minutes expire after 30 days. Are there any minutes that do not expire. I don't hobby often so I hate to think I will need to buy minute cards just to call an AMP to make an appointment. I used it a lot for the sugar bowl but I do that even less frequently. Also I only use SA for about 30 days at a time and I don't want to miss any text that some SB may be trying to text me.[/QUOTE]I obtained a fairly new but used smartphone then got the TracFone sim kit to put in it. At the time I bought the sim kit it came with triple minutes and service period meaning, when you buy a TracFone service card for $20 (cash) for 60 minutes, when you activate the phone, then it becomes 180 minutes for 3 months instead of 30 days. It also does a similiar x3 to text and data quantities on the 60 min card (or other of their cards). You can also buy 1 GB data cards for $10 to add concurrent to the service.

If you don't use all the minutes, texts, or data during the 3 months it will roll over when you add another card with minutes. There is some leeway after the 3 months that if you don't add minutes by the expiration date you won't loose the balance of minutes, texts, and data. This has worked out well for me. If you are connected to wifi with the smart phone then you can turn off the mobile data to conserve the data balance on your phone. I have never completely used up my minutes, texts, or data allowances and the balances continued to grow as I kept adding minutes every 90 days.

I also paid some extra money to the one vanilla card that after I paid for a SA membership I used the remaining balance to buy additional minutes or data on the TracFone website. You don't need to create an account on Tracafone to do that either.

[QUOTE=Luckystonewood;5445197]I obtained a fairly new but used smartphone then got the TracFone sim kit to put in it. At the time I bought the sim kit it came with triple minutes and service period meaning, when you buy a TracFone service card for $20 (cash) for 60 minutes, when you activate the phone, then it becomes 180 minutes for 3 months instead of 30 days. It also does a similiar x3 to text and data quantities on the 60 min card (or other of their cards). You can also buy 1 GB data cards for $10 to add concurrent to the service.

If you don't use all the minutes, texts, or data during the 3 months it will roll over when you add another card with minutes. There is some leeway after the 3 months that if you don't add minutes by the expiration date you won't loose the balance of minutes, texts, and data. This has worked out well for me. If you are connected to wifi with the smart phone then you can turn off the mobile data to conserve the data balance on your phone. I have never completely used up my minutes, texts, or data allowances and the balances continued to grow as I kept adding minutes every 90 days.

I also paid some extra money to the one vanilla card that after I paid for a SA membership I used the remaining balance to buy additional minutes or data on the TracFone website. You don't need to create an account on Tracafone to do that either.[/QUOTE]So what's wrong with just using the Text Me APP where you have a different phone #? I know there is a good reason because it is free but I don't know what that is.

I endorse all DogBert has to say. My views exactly.

For those of you on here who say SBs are ****** no different than streetwalkers, I wonder. Do any of you have SOs yourselves? The longer I have been in the bowl, the more I have seen the relationship between what guys must do for the women they're sleeping with. In fact, if you wanted to price out the "PPM" for the sex I've had w / my SO, it would be astronomically expensive. LOL. I mean, she's living a suburban lifestyle in CA, driving foreign cars, going to restaurants, getting jewelry every holiday. None of which is paid for from her work or success. She's a 'lady of leisure' / hausfrau. If that intimate relationship gets such societal validation, IDK why arrangements should be considered so sordid. And SBs so slutty. You guys who say they are all * are doing that. I don't think most SBs see themselves that way. If you have a SO, does she want to be treated like she's a ****? Seriously? Anyway, if I have a relationship / interaction w / my SB that is like what I had when dating, before I got married, I think that is a win, and it isn't what I'd personally be able to do if I was seeing an escort, and I'd never ever be able to w / a streetwalker.

[QUOTE=Luckystonewood;5445197]I obtained a fairly new but used smartphone then got the TracFone sim kit to put in it. At the time I bought the sim kit it came with triple minutes and service period meaning, when you buy a TracFone service card for $20 (cash) for 60 minutes, when you activate the phone, then it becomes 180 minutes for 3 months instead of 30 days. It also does a similiar x3 to text and data quantities on the 60 min card (or other of their cards). You can also buy 1 GB data cards for $10 to add concurrent to the service.

If you don't use all the minutes, texts, or data during the 3 months it will roll over when you add another card with minutes. There is some leeway after the 3 months that if you don't add minutes by the expiration date you won't loose the balance of minutes, texts, and data. This has worked out well for me. If you are connected to wifi with the smart phone then you can turn off the mobile data to conserve the data balance on your phone. I have never completely used up my minutes, texts, or data allowances and the balances continued to grow as I kept adding minutes every 90 days.

I also paid some extra money to the one vanilla card that after I paid for a SA membership I used the remaining balance to buy additional minutes or data on the TracFone website. You don't need to create an account on Tracafone to do that either.[/QUOTE]I have posted before about how great TracFone is. Basically, $20 for each 3 months is good enough. IDK why everyone doesn't use it.

[QUOTE=BobbyRichmond;5445890]So what's wrong with just using the Text Me APP where you have a different phone #? I know there is a good reason because it is free but I don't know what that is.[/QUOTE]If you use TextMe or Google Voice, you still need a working smartphone. And it is highly discouraged to just load it on your own personal cell phone, if you have a SO or any concern whatsoever about your sugar life crossing into your real life.

I've met her (M&G only, no FC). She's a good bit heavier than her pics. And if she's 20, then I'm George Clooney. And yeah, my texts have blown up since. I'd leave this one alone if I were you.

[QUOTE=HotHot;5444265]Anyone met up with her before? We started talking but I wasn't able to get our schedules to work. Now she's been hitting me up every few days even though I haven't responded. I'm halfway tempted to meet up with her but she seems a little cray cray.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/d833a851-d1a9-495b-8380-3e950fc479ff[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;5446242]If you use TextMe or Google Voice, you still need a working smartphone. And it is highly discouraged to just load it on your own personal cell phone, if you have a SO or any concern whatsoever about your sugar life crossing into your real life.[/QUOTE]TextNow is also another free app. Costs money to lock in a number after inactivity, or for premium features, but otherwise, very easy to use.