Strip Club Reports

[QUOTE=SubmissionSam;3521580]For those of you that meet girls in the club and get their numbers for outside the club experiences, Do any of you make them sign NDA's or anything like that so they don't go spilling your location (I understand using hotels is how it should be done) or lifestyle to any and everybody? Like how do you keep them from going back to the club and pulling an amber rose and saying you like fingers in your booty or something?[/QUOTE]You're not serious are you? I'm a CPA, but I also have a legal background. You think having a contract for an "illegal" service will be upheld?

LOL.

[QUOTE=MassageAwesome;3522462]Yea the Latinas are all about getting the money. When I was there the Latina women were the only ones coming up and asking for a dance. Every Latina I got a dance from on the very first dance they'll say "VIP Papi?" They'll keep asking til you give in. And they don't stay and talk. They'll ask during mid song for a dance and if you say yes they'll start right there and then and that half song counts as a full one. They can be sneaky like that.[/QUOTE]The other thing I don't like is when they just walk up and give me a hug and just hang on me. No hello, my name is. I'll be looking left and suddenly I have a girl wrapping her arms around me from my right. Or she'll just lean against my lap. They get in my space without my permission. It's their trump card to get a dance or two. I politely decline their request.

Based on reading everything here and lots of practice, I'm posting an overview of my approach. My approach is for repeat OTC, so mine may be different from others. Hope it helps.

I'm very picky for what I'm looking for, and I'm not trying to spend hours in there, so I politely decline anyone who does not fit my tastes.

One key to success is how much manners the girl exhibits when she walks up and we introduce ourselves. ANY pushy acts during the initial meet are high indicators of terrible service. They are rampant in many of the latinas. ESPECIALLY those in the 5 to 7 range.

One or the other of us will usually ask for dances. I say I want 2 dances. I don't think I've had any at this point even think to start in the middle of the song. Most will stand in front of my chair and rub my arms or shoulders. And, I usually rub on them. If a girl is dancing and looking everywhere else in the club but at me, bye bye. That usually doesn't happen if she has been attentive during the preliminaries. During the dances if she gives attention to Willie, I'll see if I can play with Virginia. Some guys want to give her an exam. I just want to know that she isn't off limits. With Willie, I just need enough to know she is implying more later. I prefer the more subtle ones, and they have been great. I have had some very overt ones and have not pulled the trigger, so I don't have any data to contribute on them. But I have read where others have had great times with them. After that, if she stays around to talk, she advances to the next round.

At this point, if the girl is still around, she has been polite and we've talked for a while to see if she will spend time with me and not just milk money from me. I don't really care where the conversation goes so long as there are some laughs and she makes a meaningful contribution to it. If a girl asks me to buy her a drink before this point, I move on. The girls who make it this far usually never do. My decision for going further is, "Would I want to sit at an Applebee's bar next to this girl and enjoy talking to her?

At this point I ask her if she does VIP. After all that they all say yes. I tell them what I want. This is where I'll lose a few. I have to change my approach to try to prune these earlier. If they agree, I offer $152. If she counteres more than once with $200 or some other amount I move on. If they counter more than once, they almost never counter just twice. But, at this point, I only remember one who kept countering. The sad face and puppy dog eyes promising she was worth it. Nope.

Then VIP.

After all this there is usually enough interaction that she feels I'm not a creep and will offer her number. If she hasn't and I had a good time, I'll ask for it. There is about an 80+ percent chance of getting it.

I've been offering $1. 5 for a couple of hours at a hotel and almost all accept. My highest was $2 but at her apartment. Ozy says to offer $1. I'll try that in the future. But, his game seems on a different level than mine.

This is how I do it. The club is just the audition for me. My goal is OTC.

It sounds like a lot, but it isn't. Once you get in the habit you can usually tell if a girl will make it in the first 30 seconds to 2 minutes after walking up. I go to the VIP in about 10 to 20 minutes after meeting them. But, I will have turned down one to several beforehand.

[QUOTE=MattMakers;3522940]The other thing I don't like is when they just walk up and give me a hug and just hang on me. No hello, my name is. I'll be looking left and suddenly I have a girl wrapping her arms around me from my right. Or she'll just lean against my lap. They get in my space without my permission. It's their trump card to get a dance or two. I politely decline their request.

Based on reading everything here and lots of practice, I'm posting an overview of my approach. My approach is for repeat OTC, so mine may be different from others. Hope it helps.

I'm very picky for what I'm looking for, and I'm not trying to spend hours in there, so I politely decline anyone who does not fit my tastes.

One key to success is how much manners the girl exhibits when she walks up and we introduce ourselves. ANY pushy acts during the initial meet are high indicators of terrible service. They are rampant in many of the latinas. ESPECIALLY those in the 5 to 7 range.

One or the other of us will usually ask for dances. I say I want 2 dances. I don't think I've had any at this point even think to start in the middle of the song. Most will stand in front of my chair and rub my arms or shoulders. And, I usually rub on them. If a girl is dancing and looking everywhere else in the club but at me, bye bye. That usually doesn't happen if she has been attentive during the preliminaries. During the dances if she gives attention to Willie, I'll see if I can play with Virginia. Some guys want to give her an exam. I just want to know that she isn't off limits. With Willie, I just need enough to know she is implying more later. I prefer the more subtle ones, and they have been great. I have had some very overt ones and have not pulled the trigger, so I don't have any data to contribute on them. But I have read where others have had great times with them. After that, if she stays around to talk, she advances to the next round.

At this point, if the girl is still around, she has been polite and we've talked for a while to see if she will spend time with me and not just milk money from me. I don't really care where the conversation goes so long as there are some laughs and she makes a meaningful contribution to it. If a girl asks me to buy her a drink before this point, I move on. The girls who make it this far usually never do. My decision for going further is, "Would I want to sit at an Applebee's bar next to this girl and enjoy talking to her?

At this point I ask her if she does VIP. After all that they all say yes. I tell them what I want. This is where I'll lose a few. I have to change my approach to try to prune these earlier. If they agree, I offer $152. If she counteres more than once with $200 or some other amount I move on. If they counter more than once, they almost never counter just twice. But, at this point, I only remember one who kept countering. The sad face and puppy dog eyes promising she was worth it. Nope.

Then VIP.

After all this there is usually enough interaction that she feels I'm not a creep and will offer her number. If she hasn't and I had a good time, I'll ask for it. There is about an 80+ percent chance of getting it.

I've been offering $1. 5 for a couple of hours at a hotel and almost all accept. My highest was $2 but at her apartment. Ozy says to offer $1. I'll try that in the future. But, his game seems on a different level than mine.

This is how I do it. The club is just the audition for me. My goal is OTC.

It sounds like a lot, but it isn't. Once you get in the habit you can usually tell if a girl will make it in the first 30 seconds to 2 minutes after walking up. I go to the VIP in about 10 to 20 minutes after meeting them. But, I will have turned down one to several beforehand.[/QUOTE]Not a strip club guy, but that sounds like a good strategy. How many of those who date OTC are willing to fuck bareback?

[QUOTE=Ozymandias;3522261]I disagree.

I've banged the hottest "IG model" spinner Follies girls in VIP, and I've never paid more than $152. I've had them ask for more, but I decline, and later they invariably go ahead and agree to the $152.

Normally I would agree that an extra $50 is no problem if it facilitates negotiation, but it's so completely unnecessary at Follies that I can't really support it.

One good negotiating tactic (in general, not just at Follies) is to have exactly $152 ready to go (I always take this bundle to Follies and keep it separate from my "freeform" petty cash); if you can close on the spot, you can control the close. It's like buying properties: if you want to buy a property listed at $450,000 for $400,000, showing up with a cashier's check for $400,000 makes the seller much more likely to take the offer.

You want the mouth and vag for $152? Bring $152.

O.[/QUOTE]Do you just show it to her or do you actually give her the whole $152 first?

[QUOTE=JabberWorky;3523074]Do you just show it to her or do you actually give her the whole $152 first?[/QUOTE]I just hand her the money and let her handle everything (liaising with the manager, etc).

O.

[QUOTE=Ozymandias;3522242]I always go to Follies with my attorney, and he handles pretty much every aspect of negotiating VIP, including NDAs. We do a non-compete also, because I'm not interested in sharing vaginal space with other random dicks.

Just kidding.

O.[/QUOTE]Priceless.

[QUOTE=Ozymandias;3523087]I just hand her the money and let her handle everything (liaising with the manager, etc).

O.[/QUOTE]Where is the incentive then?

[QUOTE=Ozymandias;3523087]I just hand her the money and let her handle everything (liaising with the manager, etc).

O.[/QUOTE]I agree and this is what I do to. I remember asking one dancer many years ago (anyone remember Mysterious AKA Ashly) if we could do it in VIP. She said of course, do you think anyone in here cares what we do in VIP especially since I have your junk in my hand out here?

Still $152 after all these years.

[QUOTE=JabberWorky;3523600]Where is the incentive then?[/QUOTE]I don't really care; it's not my job to incentivize strippers. I go to a strip club to destress, not to manage people.

When I go to a restaurant, I don't incentivize the cooks; they just do their job.

This just seems like a non-issue?

O.

[QUOTE=MattMakers;3522402]I only give $152. My ATF was a black spinner, and she was a 9 and there were no rules. My second best time was with a Latina bombshell who was a solid 10.
I let them know I'm not a nube and I've been to VIP many times. I agree with Ozy that having the $152 in hand ready to go is a must. I've never felt a girl was lackluster because she didn't get more. I let them know exactly what I'm looking for. Many girls quote $200. Be adamant and polite, and just say no. If she walks, you are better off. I think only one has ever walked on me. There are just too many of every type that you only have to wait 10 minutes for another you like to walk by.

Also, smile and get her to smile / laugh. Compliment her some way. If you have a little game, you can get better service. The best times I've had were where the girls danced a couple songs and sat and talked for 20 minutes or so. Joking and witty banter makes a world of difference and almost always produces digits. Plus, it gives me an idea if I would want to spend two or three hours OTC with her.

Except for those damn latinas. Earlier post.[/QUOTE]Good points, all. For me, it comes down to Time, Cost, and Quality. Which one don't I want. I agree if you want $152 (Low cost), a beautiful / sure thing girl (high quality), and are willing to sacrifice time (delays / uncertainty), then go for it. I'm sure most will eventually succumb.

I don't spend hours in the club and my infrequent VIPs are usually repeats with a rare girl I want, whom I've known for some time, is not always working, and is available within my Viagra window. Perhaps erroneously, I think that being generous makes me a "preferred" customer. She's happier to see me, more likely to carve out time for me, and provide better service.

Then again, I may be in PL denial. Tipping could just make me feel better / more special, and has little to no effect on the VIP outcome. YMMV.

[QUOTE=JabberWorky;3523600]Where is the incentive then?[/QUOTE]That's the whole point. Once she has the money, there is no incentive. That's why choosing the right girl is so important.

No matter how much they laugh with you or make you feel like they adore you or grind on you, you are just a small part of a car payment to them. Nothing more. Never think otherwise.

The whole thing is about choosing the right type of girl. There are many types, but the two that seem most pertinent to VIP are the short gamers and the long gamers.

The short gamers are the pushy ones who just want to separate you from your money as fast as possible. They will come up and get you thinking with the little head as fast as possible. My first trip, there was a short latina who was about a 6. She was completely not my typical type. Well, she had nice big naturals, which I liked. The first dance, she grabbed my hands and planted them on those puppies, and I was in heaven. I thought she was going to be amazing in VIP. I was captured hook, line and sinker. She was a horrible. These girls can sense, well I don't think they sense much, but they will overcome anyone who has a frat boy mentality.

The long gamers realize the value of regulars. They understand that customer service gets regulars. I've had many girls I've repeated with state this simple fact. The good money comes from regulars. The main difference between the long term successful ones and the ones who are not is their understanding that when they get a big fish, the long game pays off much better over time. They want to make you happy with both heads. They can be having a crap day where they haven't made anything, and in walks one of their regulars, now the day isn't so crappy.

The long gamers will size you up. If they think you are a big fish, they will invest time in you. I'm not saying throw money everywhere makes you a big fish. If they think you are sensible, well spoken, a regular customer and have disposable income, they will sit and talk for a while. They will not hard sell the sex. They always produce the best VIP. They understand it is a doorway to future partial car payments.

The whole approach is to size them up. Are they legitimate long gamers or just short gamers who have only one game. Have you convinced them that you will be a good regular? After that, the issue is to see if they go as far as you want in the VIP. If they are long gamers, the answer is more likely yes than no.
If they are long gamers, your incentive is the opportunity of becoming a regular.

[QUOTE=JabberWorky;3523600]Where is the incentive then?[/QUOTE]Right. And furthermore, not paying in advance helps to screen out strippers you can't trust to perform as agreed.

Some basic advice for those who don't want to get ripped off: You only need to pay her the $52 for the room before going to VIP. Agree in advance what her price will be, but don't give her the money until after the deed. Don't do it for dances. Don't do it for VIP.

Probably the best "mileage" in the SC scene on the East coast has got to be South FL, specifically the greater Miami-Ft. Lauderdale area. The West Palm Beach area has its spots, but you could play hard in the Miami-Ft. Lauderdale area and never see the same club twice. Mileage varies, generally higher in nature. Check the USASG that applies to each area for current action and club reports.

Enjoy!

Stay Safe,

PR.

[QUOTE=MrBushPilot;3500189]I totally enjoy the Atlanta strip club scene. I have traveled around the Eastern US and currently it is at the top of my list (Nashville was awesome 15 years ago). Tampa also seems to have gone downhill. Niagra Falls / Ontario is up there with ATL but not as convenient to get to. Looking to do some pleasure traveling so I would appreciate recommendations regarding US cities that offer great Strip clubs and mongering without breaking the bank.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]

So, after hearing people tell wonderful tales of Chanel, I decided to give her a try. Unfortunately, couldn't get a hold of her. Anyways, since that fell through, I decided to swing by Follies instead. Friday night, so I wasn't really expecting more than just seeing what it's like (I prefer weekday early). But parking was 20, so I decided to forgo it. I'd heard about the changes at Babe's, so I figured I'd check it out. I'm not thrilled with the new "VIP" section either. But, decided to hang around and just get a feel for it. Wasn't really any variety in terms of the talent, mostly big booty black girls with one exception. Desire was the definition of spinner. Pretty heavily tatted up, too, which is a weakness of mine. She was with another guy, so I waited until she was free, and then got a few dances from her. Body's even nicer up close. She allowed roaming hands as long as they stayed away from nips and vag. After she was done, I asked her if there was more on the menu, and she said 'no'. Very nice to look at, but I'm usually looking for more than just dances. In any case, the new setup looks nice if you don't care about extras. Although I do think I saw one guy getting play against the wall in a corner (she could have just been dry-humping, but I doubt it). I think I'm just going to stick to my early weekday routine with Follies.

After that, I cruised a few SW spots, but I'll detail that in the relevant board.

I've always gone to Follies between noon and about 3:00 in the afternoon. I'm going to have some free time next Wednesday or Thursday night and am trying to decide whether to go. I like black girls, especially spinners, but I also like variety. I think I read a while back that it's mostly black at night -- girls and guys. Can someone tell me what to expect between 9:00 and midnight or 1:00 am? Will a 40 year old white guy have any problems?