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Visa gift cards sold at Ralphs / Krogers also work. [URL]Prepaidgiftbalance.com[/URL] is the site on the back.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;6429426]Other posts I have come across in other cities claim cards from 'Blackhawk' would work on SA. I had no idea how to locate those, however. I don't have a current source for the cards I have most recently gotten to work, OneVanilla.

So tonight I am in Gelson's grocery store and happen to see a prepaid card at the register. I look closely and it says 'Blackhawk'. More searching gets me to a Reddit thread, and it says specifically that these cards are sold in Gelson's in CA. It also mentions Staples and / or Office Depot, or Lowes.

Now I believe IK what to look for. I will go back to Gelson's tomorrow and get one of those cards, try it out and report back.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;6429426]Other posts I have come across in other cities claim cards from 'Blackhawk' would work on SA. I had no idea how to locate those, however. I don't have a current source for the cards I have most recently gotten to work, OneVanilla.

So tonight I am in Gelson's grocery store and happen to see a prepaid card at the register. I look closely and it says 'Blackhawk'. More searching gets me to a Reddit thread, and it says specifically that these cards are sold in Gelson's in CA. It also mentions Staples and / or Office Depot, or Lowes.

Now I believe IK what to look for. I will go back to Gelson's tomorrow and get one of those cards, try it out and report back.[/QUOTE]Staples is having a sale on these GCs. No fees. Saves you 6 bucks per card.

[URL]https://slickdeals.net/f/16613156-at-staples-no-purchase-fee-when-you-buy-a-200-visa-gift-card-in-store-only-a-6-95-value-from-4-30-5-6-limit-8[/URL]

I am messaging w / a 30's girl on the site. Smart! Her profile name includes her first name, that she gives me. Her sugar story is that she works as a scientist for a Federal cabinet Dept. This freaks me a bit, this might give her access to some investigative tools that the average girl doesn't have, to track me down. But I proceed. We get on great, I start digging to get counterbalancing intelligence. I use one of the face rec sites on her profile photo. I do see one hit on Twitter that looks like her. The handle is at (another feminine name)(the name she gave me). So, her twitter is either her first and middle name, and for sugaring she uses her middle name (many people do this, including me), or that name she gave me as her first name is actually a last name. So, what do I learn from her twitter? She is involved w / a group that tries to use psychedelics therapeutically. Not the worst I have ever seen, but perhaps a little shady. Perhaps she is a government employee and this is a side hustle. Or recreation.

I will still pursue her, with eyes wide open.

I've been quite active on SA for the last 60 days and have chatted with more than 20 potential SBs. Lots of scammers just based on their lack of English language or grammatical errors. My guess is Google translate. Lots of scammers based on using famous IG or model photos. Lots of scammers wanting a "date fee" even though they look legit and check out legit. Surprising what searching their photos comes back with. No chance on that. Lots of scammer or fakes based on wanting me to be "patient" and get to know them online. My guess on these are either a woman that has no intention of meeting or some woman / guy trying to hook me into some scam.

The rest is a mixed bag of good to very very hot. The downside is how $1 k per meet seems to be the going ask from these ladies. Had a legit actress / model with a significant IG and IMDB presence wanting $300 date fee and $1. 5 k per meet. Girls that are on PD wanting $1 k to $2 k per meet. (stupid when you can see them for $500 to $700 on HX or PD). Even mid 30's to 40's women asking for $1 k+ per meet.

Then there's the rest. Cute but heavy girls that want to "date". Dinner, flowers, etc. And also want financial help.

Thankfully my 3 month membership is expiring soon. Trying to maximize it before it expires but not holding my breath.

[QUOTE=SteveTandberg;6438923]I've been quite active on SA for the last 60 days and have chatted with more than 20 potential SBs. Lots of scammers just based on their lack of English language or grammatical errors. My guess is Google translate. Lots of scammers based on using famous IG or model photos. Lots of scammers wanting a "date fee" even though they look legit and check out legit. Surprising what searching their photos comes back with. No chance on that. Lots of scammer or fakes based on wanting me to be "patient" and get to know them online. My guess on these are either a woman that has no intention of meeting or some woman / guy trying to hook me into some scam.

The rest is a mixed bag of good to very very hot. The downside is how $1 k per meet seems to be the going ask from these ladies. Had a legit actress / model with a significant IG and IMDB presence wanting $300 date fee and $1. 5 k per meet. Girls that are on PD wanting $1 k to $2 k per meet. (stupid when you can see them for $500 to $700 on HX or PD). Even mid 30's to 40's women asking for $1 k+ per meet.

Then there's the rest. Cute but heavy girls that want to "date". Dinner, flowers, etc. And also want financial help.

Thankfully my 3 month membership is expiring soon. Trying to maximize it before it expires but not holding my breath.[/QUOTE]If you are contacting them and asking their rate on seeking, that is two strikes. First, you are at great risk for getting banned. Just because it hasn't happened to you yet does not mean it won't. What if that occurred right after you got that 3 month membership? All that $ down the drain. Second, by electronic communication, where she can't see you and any game you have is wasted, you are going to get her 'escort' rate, as if you are the most pitiful dude looking for sex.

If a girl goes right to that and won't be dissuaded, they won't really work out for me no matter what the $ is, so I politely excuse myself (and block them).

[QUOTE=SteveTandberg;6438923]I've been quite active on SA for the last 60 days and have chatted with more than 20 potential SBs. Lots of scammers just based on their lack of English language or grammatical errors. My guess is Google translate. Lots of scammers based on using famous IG or model photos. Lots of scammers wanting a "date fee" even though they look legit and check out legit. Surprising what searching their photos comes back with. No chance on that. Lots of scammer or fakes based on wanting me to be "patient" and get to know them online. My guess on these are either a woman that has no intention of meeting or some woman / guy trying to hook me into some scam.

The rest is a mixed bag of good to very very hot. The downside is how $1 k per meet seems to be the going ask from these ladies. Had a legit actress / model with a significant IG and IMDB presence wanting $300 date fee and $1. 5 k per meet. Girls that are on PD wanting $1 k to $2 k per meet. (stupid when you can see them for $500 to $700 on HX or PD). Even mid 30's to 40's women asking for $1 k+ per meet.

Then there's the rest. Cute but heavy girls that want to "date". Dinner, flowers, etc. And also want financial help.

Thankfully my 3 month membership is expiring soon. Trying to maximize it before it expires but not holding my breath.[/QUOTE]Not being sarcastic at all. Try chatting with 20 a week. or at least 10.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;6438957]Not being sarcastic at all. Try chatting with 20 a week. or at least 10.[/QUOTE]Excellent suggestion. Actually "trying"/"starting" chats with 30+ per week. Getting about 10 per week responses, albeit weak ones. And of that, maybe 5 decent back and forth texts.

Problems are:

1. Criteria is max 30 miles away.

2. thin or athletic.

3. Not longer than 2 years on SA. Although this is becoming useless since these girls are changing profiles every month now. No exaggeration. Have seen it first hand.

4. Attractive.

Using the above criteria, not finding more than 10 a week. Wish I could find 20 per week to chat with.

I have found that opening a 2nd or 3rd account, with different critieria for my profile (age, height, race, and wealth) often delivers more potential SBs to chat up. Also, it shows what is driving these SBs to be more engaged. No surprise that height and wealth seem to be important to them.

I was ticketed today for violating TOS by 'soliciting sex for compensation'. I will paste in below my exchange w / the profile involved, which I reported. I *truly* could not have imagined this would get me written up. I have submitted an appeal.

Her: My private photo comes at a cost (cashapp is *) so I know you're legit.

Me: yeah, right. Sorry, I am no newbie here. If that is the way you roll, I'm out.

Her: I'm not sure what you mean by "that's how you roll" you asked for a photo I said with payment so I know you're real. Otherwise no hard feelings and no pics LOL.

Me: If that is the way you aim to operate here, which BTW is a violation of the terms of service on the site.

Her: I was chatting you up just fine and we can continue to do so just without seeing that photo.

Me: no, if you think that violating TOS is a good idea, and asking to be paid for every minute or whatever, I would say you have chosen the wrong site. I won't suggest one, I am sure you can find it on your own.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/a76e6633-2ad0-452c-8336-a3cf3701e517[/URL]

OMG. Dropped my jaw when she gave me her #. 47 years old. Insists that she gets $1 kPPM.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/2ff95401-8811-411c-b9bb-5d638cfc6e4c[/URL]

Actress. Do a little work and you can find her.

$1. 5 k / meet -- pretty but crazy stupid $$.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;6439330]I was ticketed today for violating TOS by 'soliciting sex for compensation'. I will paste in below my exchange w / the profile involved, which I reported. I *truly* could not have imagined this would get me written up. I have submitted an appeal.

Her: My private photo comes at a cost (cashapp is *) so I know you're legit.

Me: yeah, right. Sorry, I am no newbie here. If that is the way you roll, I'm out.

Her: I'm not sure what you mean by "that's how you roll" you asked for a photo I said with payment so I know you're real. Otherwise no hard feelings and no pics LOL.

Me: If that is the way you aim to operate here, which BTW is a violation of the terms of service on the site.

Her: I was chatting you up just fine and we can continue to do so just without seeing that photo.

Me: no, if you think that violating TOS is a good idea, and asking to be paid for every minute or whatever, I would say you have chosen the wrong site. I won't suggest one, I am sure you can find it on your own.[/QUOTE]This is why HollywoodGuy suggested that we shouldn't report a profile. He said to just block and move on. Now, I get it.

[QUOTE=Uncountable;6439749]This is why HollywoodGuy suggested that we shouldn't report a profile. He said to just block and move on. Now, I get it.[/QUOTE]My standard reply to any message I don't like (if I even give one) is "I will keep that in mind, thanks".

If I am curious about their PPM I just ask "how much for an hour or more of your time". And asking about an hour pretty much gets the point across as to what I am looking for.

But the best course of action is to always move to some type of off line chat ASAP to discuss the particulars.

I've been a member off and on since 2012. I've had longer term arrangements as well as short term ones. Last one I just ended was for 4 years. Previous one was 4 years. Back then, SBs were students, girls / women that had fallen on hard times. Lots of actresses and models that couldn't make rent. There were some escorts but not many. There were very few professional SBs who used it as their main source of income.

Now that I'm actively looking I'm seeing the PPM pricing jaw dropping. Granted, HG has found quite reasonable ones. From early 20's to late 40's, I'm finding that the general standard for a very attractive woman (not drop dead gorgeous model) is around $1 k. A few are $500, some at $700, some at $1. 5 k. But the majority are at this $1 k PPM level. Likewise, many, and I mean many, of the SBs are either professional women that you can find on Linkedin (just use the various face matching websites), IG "entrepreneurs", and then your proverbial "party" girls who bop around from event to event, concert to concert. Who is funding all of this?

This reminds me of SF during the late 90's when Silicon Valley money was flowing. This happened again, during the 2000's, when again, lots of bros were making $$ from the IPOs, and although not stupid rich, retired with $10 million+. Really changed dating as you saw the influx of very attractive women coming to the SV to meet these rich bros. Beloved restaurants started jacking up their prices and you no longer could get reservations. Home and nicer apartment pricing soon followed suit. This was not inflation. This was event driven.

I'm wondering if the pandemic flow of cash, as well as the crypto bros has uplifted the PPM to this level.

Your well to do attorneys and I Bankers can fund $10 k / month during good times when bonuses are large. But now, not so much. Individual business owners have more freedom but still their businesses have to being doing well to afford a $10 k+/ month SB. Same for retirees.

So, who's paying all this money?

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;6439840]My standard reply to any message I don't like (if I even give one) is "I will keep that in mind, thanks".

If I am curious about their PPM I just ask "how much for an hour or more of your time". And asking about an hour pretty much gets the point across as to what I am looking for.

But the best course of action is to always move to some type of off line chat ASAP to discuss the particulars.[/QUOTE]I am generally very placid in responding to even quite outrageous messaging on the site. And indeed, my most common action is to simply block the profile and move on. I must admit, this bold / brassy young lady, who wasn't all that actually (if you want to find her, cultured was in her handle), really rubbed me the wrong way. I mean, I have messaged tons of women on the site over a long period of time, and I have gotten every response under the sun. But the idea that I would have to pay her to see her private pic. That has never occurred to me earlier. So, it put me into a state of tilt, as the poker players say.

Thanks for the venting.

Hopefully, I can get someone at the site to be reasonable, this was likely a stupid AI bot they use. I guess I am thankful I didn't get banned, I only had to scroll through the TOS and watch a 2 minute video to get reinstated. However, this warning means that if I had another violation, I would be banned. And we all know what a royal PITA it is to recover from that. So, it is worth at least attempting to appeal this action. When something so obviously innocuous can lead to such unreasonable action by them.

[QUOTE=SteveTandberg;6440273]I've been a member off and on since 2012. I've had longer term arrangements as well as short term ones. Last one I just ended was for 4 years. Previous one was 4 years. Back then, SBs were students, girls / women that had fallen on hard times. Lots of actresses and models that couldn't make rent. There were some escorts but not many. There were very few professional SBs who used it as their main source of income.

Now that I'm actively looking I'm seeing the PPM pricing jaw dropping. Granted, HG has found quite reasonable ones. From early 20's to late 40's, I'm finding that the general standard for a very attractive woman (not drop dead gorgeous model) is around $1 k. A few are $500, some at $700, some at $1. 5 k. But the majority are at this $1 k PPM level. Likewise, many, and I mean many, of the SBs are either professional women that you can find on Linkedin (just use the various face matching websites), IG "entrepreneurs", and then your proverbial "party" girls who bop around from event to event, concert to concert. Who is funding all of this?

This reminds me of SF during the late 90's when Silicon Valley money was flowing. This happened again, during the 2000's, when again, lots of bros were making $$ from the IPOs, and although not stupid rich, retired with $10 million+. Really changed dating as you saw the influx of very attractive women coming to the SV to meet these rich bros. Beloved restaurants started jacking up their prices and you no longer could get reservations. Home and nicer apartment pricing soon followed suit. This was not inflation. This was event driven.

I'm wondering if the pandemic flow of cash, as well as the crypto bros has uplifted the PPM to this level.

Your well to do attorneys and I Bankers can fund $10 k / month during good times when bonuses are large. But now, not so much. Individual business owners have more freedom but still their businesses have to being doing well to afford a $10 k+/ month SB. Same for retirees.

So, who's paying all this money?[/QUOTE]I think the biggest problem has more to do with all the online options that a so-called SW now has. OF and similar sites, Chaturbate and similar sites, ManyVids and similar sites or as my longest term SB/GF has discovered (being an online Domme). They never have to meet the guys and in some cases never even have to get naked (she never does).

Some of these girls make serious bank. But even my GF who is not in a high paid demographic (small breasted AA spinner), can still earn an easy $$ to $$$ bills a day. And one day this month earned a grand. A good portion of those girls have escorted, so once they see they can make as much or more without escorting... Hence the crazy prices.

Then there is all the online buzz about being a sugar baby and with little to no stigma attached to it. No girl wants to be called a prostitute so they started "escorting" and now its "sugaring". Each one with a higher perceived value and incrementally higher pay scale.

But also run away inflation does have an impact as well. Most of these girls are renters and eat out a lot. And those prices have sky rocketed (along with everything else).

And yes I do pay less than some guys because my preference is AA girls. And except for the very very few, even the hottest AA girls don't ask for more than 3-4 bills. And there are many real beauties for $$. But if you only date blond & blue or K girls, girls over 22, etc. well then the price is going to be up there.

I was a founding member of HX. For many years, HX provided a great service both to Johns and escorts. The bad actors who were ripping off guys got reported. The bad guys who ripped off girls got reported. Saved me $$.

Now that SBs have this crazy sense of entitlement, maybe it's time to create a list of these bad acting / annoying SBs. Don't list personal info which is not allowed. But listing profile name and photos is allowed. Using Facecheck or any other website will get a SD a pretty good idea of who that person is.

Report those SBs that take the monthly allowance and either ghost or feign perpetual sickness. Bait and switch.

Let's face it, as much as farfaraway glosses endlessly about how SBs aren't escorts and there's this emotional connection, the vast majority of SBs are mercenary $$ hunters.

Need to make this more of a level playing field.

Thoughts?