"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2264749] And its not GFE, it's a part time real GF, and there is a difference.[/QUOTE]So true. Yes, that is the main reason to play in the bowl.

You know you have been doing this a long time when you message a girl and she says you have already gone out on a date with her. LOL. Now I keep a spreadsheet. But it only goes back two or three years.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2265127]You know you have been doing this a long time when you message a girl and she says you have already gone out on a date with her. LOL. Now I keep a spreadsheet. But it only goes back two or three years.[/QUOTE]Some of the women post a new profile when the old one gets stale. Sometimes they create new pics but often they are using the same ones form several years back. I just shrug and say: "How could I passed on a great woman like you? Let's try a second time!" There is always a chance their expectations have adjusted lower.

RB.

I find one of the problems is to balance the need for quality and consistency with the need for novelty and variety. Once you find someone (or someones) you like, you want to keep them, as over the years one learns to recognize the value of combined youth, beauty, brains and low drama. These finds are rare. However, even $ aside, there just that many days in the week and one still needs to exercise, play golf or tennis and do house chores. Your concubines become addicted to sugar and need their weekly (that they sometimes request to become bi-weekly) trysts, while you are instead tempted to explore the underworld behind the skirt of your newly convinced doll. Adding someone new to the rotation will put more pressure on all these previous commitments, and eventually, resources. Still, I suppose that is a better problem to be had than dealing with the unpredictability and all the complementary problems of the threads outside this one, aptly described below.

In a testament for how quickly things can change in the bowl (see previous post), I have three M&G lined up for this week:

- One with the girl who's phone presumably died on an earlier attempt. The only reason for a 2nd chance here is the quality of the communication (phone incident aside) and the hotness of the pix. She's the one who proposed the new date, time and place. That seems like a good sign.

- One with a MILF who seems to know what to expect as she wants to make sure I understand she's not in her pre-kid physical condition. I anticipate a low level of expectation here due to her low-cost town and complex situation.

- One with another hot girl with a self-described "practical" level of expectation, but I want to test that a bit as she works in a beauty salon.

Let's see what the count is by week's end. Place your bets now.

SM.

[QUOTE=JeanSaulPartre;2266060]I find one of the problems is to balance the need for quality and consistency with the need for novelty and variety. Once you find someone (or someones) you like, you want to keep them, as over the years one learns to recognize the value of combined youth, beauty, brains and low drama. These finds are rare. However, even $ aside, there just that many days in the week and one still needs to exercise, play golf or tennis and do house chores. Your concubines become addicted to sugar and need their weekly (that they sometimes request to become bi-weekly) trysts, while you are instead tempted to explore the underworld behind the skirt of your newly convinced doll. Adding someone new to the rotation will put more pressure on all these previous commitments, and eventually, resources. Still, I suppose that is a better problem to be had than dealing with the unpredictability and all the complementary problems of the threads outside this one, aptly described below.[/QUOTE]It's inevitable that some girls (even good girls) are going to rotate out. The novelty and variety aspect makes that a given. The only good thing (at least for me) is that having a couple of regulars keeps me from going totally off the deep end as far as fucking any random girl that crosses my path. While many hot girls turn me down over my refusal to pay $$ to a newbie (as in new to make my acquaintance) , I turn down just as many due to distance and availability.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2265127]You know you have been doing this a long time when you message a girl and she says you have already gone out on a date with her. LOL. Now I keep a spreadsheet. But it only goes back two or three years.[/QUOTE]I've only been swimming in the sugar bowl for a few months and I've already done that twice LOL. I'm taking a cue from you and starting a spreadsheet.

[QUOTE=VaSD1;2266373]I've only been swimming in the sugar bowl for a few months and I've already done that twice LOL. I'm taking a cue from you and starting a spreadsheet.[/QUOTE]It was discussed a while back on how different people keep track, especially if you're playing the numbers and messaging all the new ones that show up.

I preferred using a hobby only email from outlook because ms also offers an integrated storage, onedrive (like gmail with google drive).

Besides keeping a spreadsheet in there with different info- I tracked username / real name / age / city / phone number / other misc info I should know.

I also saved the pictures in individual folders. Nothing worse then being at a m&g and not remembering exactly what the girl looks like.

Went really well! It is amazing the amount of play that is available in a very large city! I had two weeks and I wanted to have fun. I ended up meeting with four ladies, all in the first week and went to the FC with 3 of them. I had to turn down dates for another 6 or 7 because my time commitments and it was just so overwhelming!

First girl met me at my hotel about an hour after landing. 26, very tiny and fun. She just came over from work and asked to use my shower to freshen up. Of course! FC before even heading out. That was a great start to the trip. We ended up going out and walking around and getting a late lunch. I wish I had seen her again this trip. She was fun. Cost $$.

I had another date scheduled that evening with 28 yo Russian. I had to cancel because some work event came up. I never got a chance to meet her.

My 2nd date was with a 34 yo MIRDNWTFBDAW (mom I really did not want to fuck but I did anway) She was super cool in out texts but I never got a full body photo. And you guys know what that means! Yeah, just a little larger than advertised. Oh well. I took one for the team. Cost $$ and dinner.

#3 was the only one I did not make it to the FC with. A 27 yo asian, tiny former gymnast. Look hot in leggings and heels. Went to dinner, sort of forced and awkward, hug at the end of the date and that was it. We just did not click. Cost about 60 $ for dinner.

#4 was my favorite. 18 year old hottie. She shows up in a nice black dress, later find out no panties on. We go to dinner, walk around chinatown and then head back to my room. 2 rounds of absolute fun. Like prior conversations about these young women. She loved it rough, anal, choking, everything. We even put on a nice show in front of the windows of the hotel. She wanted to spend the night but I wasnt into it. Morning fun would have been great, but I passed. Cost $$.

That was just my first 5 days in town. It was spectacular, for the most part, and with time I could have fileded several quality players for my team. I found I did not have the bargaining power to get the best deals so I tried to stay around the $$ range. I was met with some outlandish $$ offers from some real stunners. To hear what some of these women are earning from guys is pretty crazy. I found the normal asking rate was between $$ With some negotiating I could get that down though. I know if I was local and could offer them something consistent I could be playing in Hollywood Guy's ball park. I just did not have the leverage, knowing it was going to be a onetime deal.

Here is my contribution to the bowl.

Hey guys, I've been doing more and more of the SB thing. I've been hesitant to pay monthly fees and have been using SugarDaddyToday as a result. I'm thinking about signing up and wanted to see if the seniors on this forum had any recommendations. J.

Anytime I send a message to a girl on SD4 M I give them 7 days to respond. If they don't respond I delete the sent message. You would be surprised how many suddenly respond when they see that. It works here and there.

[QUOTE=Jayb20;2266825]Hey guys, I've been doing more and more of the SB thing. I've been hesitant to pay monthly fees and have been using SugarDaddyToday as a result. I'm thinking about signing up and wanted to see if the seniors on this forum had any recommendations. J.[/QUOTE]You have to go with the paid sites as a cost of hobbying.

Just like you have costs with hobby phone, condoms / lube or whatever else there may be, sd4 m or sa-whatever site works for you-is just another cost.

In the overall monthly budget, it's a small percentage.

[QUOTE=Dolato;2267250]You have to go with the paid sites as a cost of hobbying.

Just like you have costs with hobby phone, condoms / lube or whatever else there may be, sd4 m or sa-whatever site works for you-is just another cost.

In the overall monthly budget, it's a small percentage.[/QUOTE]I agree with Doloto. For instance, SA gives you the option of a single month membership. If you live in a reasonable size area you will most definitely find a few SBs that fit your interests and needs if you are willing to work at it.

I went out to see a girl whose profile was only up for one day (yesterday). She was very tall (like runway model tall) but she looked very slender in her pics and she sounded very sweet in her txts. I didn't even talk to her on the phone. She just sent me her address so I took the risk with very little screening and drove over there about 10 pm this evening.

Next thing I know, out walks this really cute girl with an amazing 5'10' spinner body. She gets in the car and she is all smiles. Within about 5 minutes she says "well arent you going to kiss me?"

The next thing I know we are totally on fire. Her pants are down, my pants are down. I am DP-ing her using both hands while she bounced and grinded and pushed my finger as far up her ass as it would go, she gives me like 45 minutes worth of oral while I'm fingering her as hard as possible from behind. She was going all the way down and staying there repeatedly. With me pushing her head down as hard as I wanted. The rougher I got the more she liked it.

We did everything but fuck as my car is too small for that. This is all in front of her parents house in a decent lower income area. This went on for at least 90 minutes or more untill I finally CIM.

We agreed to start dating immediately and repeatedly. This girl is an awesome kisser with a totally upbeat personality. 25 AA 5'10" and 125 lbs. She was an easy 8/10/10+/9 or probably a 10 once we fuck. Her pussy and ass were tight, wet and sweet smelling.

The cost of the M&G was nada, zilch, nothing. This is the third time this has happened to me in 2 weeks (meaning sex with no sugar). She kept calling me daddy and practically melted when I called her princess. She did agree to the $ offer going forward. I think she may be my new ATF. And a guaranteed NP first timer.

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I found this girl on WYP (will I ever learn?), though she is also on SA. For several days we went round and round about $'s, with her initially saying she wanted $3 k / month, and me telling her that I've never given a girl more than $$, and I wanted to meet once/week. She said that was unacceptable and "way less than I've ever taken" (though in a convo a few days earlier she told me she hasn't had many partners and her virtue is "precious to her"). I wished her the best and invited her to get back in touch if she ever reconsidered.

3 days later she reconsidered, saying she missed hearing from me and was willing to accept $$$ per visit if we met three times/month. She thought I'd go for it since "it's only $ more per month" than I originally suggested. I was insistent that $$ was my max, and we went round and round about that for a few more days. Finally she agreed to $$ and said she was reluctant because she'd "never gotten that little," but was in dire straits. She did warn me that she would have to really like me before she would accept that little, and wouldn't have sex on the first date. I guess she'd fuck anything if the price were right (I did NOT make this observation, of course).

Last night we had this text exchange:

GPS: So when will we have our first date?

Me: I'm free after 5 tomorrow.

G: I am too. Are we agreed on 200?

Me: If I have your company until 7:30 or 8.

G: I don't want to be intimate yet.

Me: Then I'll buy you dinner. I'll save the $$ until you are ready for more.

G: I thought that was what we discussed. I never accept so little. You insisted if given a chance your personality and such would make up for it, and after a fair amount of persuasion, I said I'd give it a try as long as we weren't intimate when we first began dating.

Me: And we'll get to know each other better over dinner. You get a free meal and pleasant company. Not a bad way to spend an evening.

G: Going on even just one of your paid dates without intercourse made up for the fact that you were offering way lower than I have ever accepted. It was the one reason I decided to accept this.

Me: I'm sorry you misunderstood my meaning. I hope you find what you're looking for, or that you'll get back in touch if you don't.

I contemplated going on a rant to her about why her expectations are so ridiculous, but it was late and I didn't have the energy (and I knew the only teacher she'll listen to is hard experience). Here is her SA profile so any of you here in RVA know what awaits if you contact her.

https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/e60c06aa/view

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