Strip Club Reports

[QUOTE=MattMakers;3517576]My last two trips to Follies made me define a hypothesis on which girls do better in the VIP. I know everyone is different, and my sample size is not statistically relevant. But, I thought I would add it to the collective thought out there and see what you think.

Both times, I had drinks and got dances from 4-6 girls to see which I liked better. I generally asked two of the dancers who performed well to come by later as they made their rounds.

The first visit, one of them was a little Latina spinner who was really making me happy. Incredibly bubbly. No "Oh VIP PAPI". Her attitude was spot on. Finally, I pulled the trigger with her. She agreed to my terms. By her roaming dancing and never asking about VIP, I thought I had stumbled on a gold mine. After about 30 seconds of what was agreed upon, she reached up to the napkins she had brought in. Apparently, there was KY on top of them. She then started a very good HJ. After about 15-30 seconds, I asked for more of what she agreed on. "Noooooooo papi. Already have " something I didn't understand "on that place". So, part of me was a little pissed. Part of me was really enjoying the HJ, which I did until I finished. When life gives you lemons, make lemonade.

The second time it was a more thick than slim thick black girl. She was pushing the bounds of slim thick. I love petite spinners. But, her dancing and attitude made daddy happy. So, off we went. She did a great job. Nothing to complain about. I got her digits and have had OTC a couple of times with her. She's a real pleaser.

So, my reflection is this. I've VIP'd about 15 girls. Latina and black spinners have been most of them. A few slim thick ones thrown in. But, my experiences with the latinas is that they have a much higher rate of rushing or down right fraud than the others. For me it has been about 50%. My first two VIPs were with latinas, and I was a newby. All the signs were there that they would be rush jobs, but I couldn't see them at the time. Even throwing those two out, the number might drop to a 40% chance. My second best of all time was with a latina. Think the 21-22 yo latina version of Kate Upton with a much nicer ass and 25% less up top. Face of an angel. She was definitely not a spinner. She was the goddess Venus. And I've never seen her again on day shift. I usually go Fri, Sat or Sun. If anyone thinks someone fitting that description still works there, please let me know what days she works. Anyway, the white and black chicks seem to mostly be all in for making daddy happy. Three or four were not as skilled as I would have liked. But, the effort was definitely there. Thoughts.

And also, any ideas on how to cut down on cost. With my last couple of visits, I've spent roughly $$$ 5 About 60 of that is my drinks and one or two drinks for one or two dancers who has proven themselves deserving. $152 for VIP. Add to that 100 to 140 for dances from different girls. Many times, I've hit it off with one of the first one or two girls I've asked dance for me. But, there are times where I have to go deep into the bullpen to end the game. Thoughts.[/QUOTE]No particular thoughts on ebony vs salsa VIP experiences. My experience with the ebony spinners is that they are pretty much fuck machines, but so are latina spinners and asian spinners; pretty much tiny girls love to fuck, for whatever reason, or at least they love fucking ME. We all have subjective views of this outside of data. In any case, God bless the spinner.

You answered your own question about keeping prices down: don't drink. If you don't drink, you won't buy drinks for strippers, either. I don't drink alcohol (ever), so it never even occurs to me to offer to buy drinks for strippers (my strippers seem to get there own drinks, which is fine with me). That's probably $100 per visit, if you're drinking $50-60 just yourself. I usually spend around 200-220 when I visit Follies, 40-60 to tests girls, and then the 152 VIP, and maybe 10 or so if I have a bottle of water or two, but I literally treat Follies as a place to pop in for a quick spinner fuck if I'm in the area, so I'm a Man on a Mission when I go there.

Good getting an OTC girl there; Follies is a great place to prospect for OTC girls. OTC fees should range from "free" to $100 per session, tops, IMO, depending on the dynamic with the girls. No shopping or "helping out", just strict pay for play!

O.

[QUOTE=DaSlickster;3519607]I also do surveillance on the girls as they give others lap dances. Easy to tell which ones are providing high mileage dances.[/QUOTE]As a n00 b, can you fill me in on your surveillance techniques for identifying high mileage dances? Also, I'm not really sure what the term "high mileage" dance refers to.

[QUOTE=Wleakr;3511466]This club has been "under construction" for the longest! Funny thing is, the club was already completed renovated when it went from Dream Girls to Candy Shop, so what more could they actually do? The upgrades didn't do much for the business, so unless they intend to scale back and cater to the type of crowd that Pleasers used to have, they may as well not open back up, IMHO.[/QUOTE]I stopped by yesterday as I was heading from a meeting in the area. I wasn't expecting to stop, but decided to check it out with minimal funds in hand. Inside was nice. Bar area was cool. There were only 2 dancers, which was ok since I know they are just getting started. Bartender was extremely friendly! Loved her.

The bad: Received a dance and within 10 minutes was out of $60. The DJ was mixing and I was charged $10 per song. Glad I asked. I was expecting her to say $20. I didn't get upset, just kindly explained that I was just checking the place out and had limited funds. The girl was real cool. I had a few drinks via my credit card.

The Ugly: Second girl sits down and ask can she dance. I told her I only had $20 and didn't think it would be enough to get a good show. She shrugged and stated that she didn't have anything else to do, so she would just dance for me. Being naive, I said ok. She finishes and says that'll be $40. I explained my initial comment. She then tells me I would need to go to the bank and get additional funds or she would have to tell the guy at the door. She says that the bartender would hold my I'd. I ask her to get the manager, who I had already talked to. She then tells me she will take the $20. Upon leaving I talk to the guy at the door and manager about all issues, just telling them about the experience. They were both extremely nice and understanding since I was approaching to be helpful rather than just complain.

I'm not going to let a bad apple spoil the bunch, but I advise waiting a few months before you expect to have a good time. They will need to get more realistic if they plan to survive in the current location.

[QUOTE=StrockInBizkit;3520149]As a n00 b, can you fill me in on your surveillance techniques for identifying high mileage dances? Also, I'm not really sure what the term "high mileage" dance refers to.[/QUOTE]If you don't know what high mileage dances are, you don't need to waste time identifying them (LOL)!

For those of you that meet girls in the club and get their numbers for outside the club experiences, Do any of you make them sign NDA's or anything like that so they don't go spilling your location (I understand using hotels is how it should be done) or lifestyle to any and everybody? Like how do you keep them from going back to the club and pulling an amber rose and saying you like fingers in your booty or something?

[QUOTE=StrockInBizkit;3520149]As a n00 b, can you fill me in on your surveillance techniques for identifying high mileage dances? Also, I'm not really sure what the term "high mileage" dance refers to.[/QUOTE]Hi Mileage in this case means more value from the dances, more grinding, touching as opposed to lame dances.

[QUOTE=Bohemian2;3521695]Hi Mileage in this case means more value from the dances, more grinding, touching as opposed to lame dances.[/QUOTE]That is exactly what I was trying to understand. For me, more often than not, grinding and touching is often the norm. Unless, I am in a club where contact is strictly forbidden, like the Pink Pony, for instance. Otherwise, if I am in a place like Follies, then, in my mind, high mileage would be something more intimate like FIV, playing with my stick shift OTC, etc.

I was trying to make sure that I am on the same page as the senior and more experienced folks in here since I am new to these forums. I wasn't sure if FS, HJ, BJ was considered high mileage or not and hence, the request for some clarification.

Thank you for taking the time to clear this up for me. Truly appreciated!

Heading to Atlanta soon. What's the current typical cost of BJ in VIP? Is $152 going to get it done or are they going to want a tip on top of that. Last time I went most wanted $100 tip on top of $152 for FS. Negotiated down but wondering what total for BJ should be.

Between Pink Pony and Cheetah, which is going to have the better looking girls and which will be more fun. Is there any mileage in the PP VIP?

[QUOTE=SubmissionSam;3521580]For those of you that meet girls in the club and get their numbers for outside the club experiences, Do any of you make them sign NDA's or anything like that so they don't go spilling your location (I understand using hotels is how it should be done) or lifestyle to any and everybody? Like how do you keep them from going back to the club and pulling an amber rose and saying you like fingers in your booty or something?[/QUOTE]You are talking about having a stripper sign an NDA? Are you kidding? These are strippers. What are you going to do if she doesn't comply? Sue her? Good luck.

[QUOTE=Almanac;3522106]Heading to Atlanta soon. What's the current typical cost of BJ in VIP? Is $152 going to get it done or are they going to want a tip on top of that. Last time I went most wanted $100 tip on top of $152 for FS. Negotiated down but wondering what total for BJ should be.[/QUOTE]If an average looking dancer is all you're looking for, then $152 all-in oughta do it. As with any enterprise, there are those who can command more. I only do VIP occasionally, so want to make it count with a high caliber dancer, of which there are scant few. I'll go $200 because to me, it's worth stretching an extra $48 to have an awesome woman lavish me with a mind-blowing erotic session.

In any case, just make clear up front what you're willing to spend all-in, and exactly what you want to make it worthwhile for you. Aside from the occasional ROB, you should be good to go.

[QUOTE=SubmissionSam;3521580]For those of you that meet girls in the club and get their numbers for outside the club experiences, Do any of you make them sign NDA's or anything like that so they don't go spilling your location (I understand using hotels is how it should be done) or lifestyle to any and everybody? Like how do you keep them from going back to the club and pulling an amber rose and saying you like fingers in your booty or something?[/QUOTE]I always go to Follies with my attorney, and he handles pretty much every aspect of negotiating VIP, including NDAs. We do a non-compete also, because I'm not interested in sharing vaginal space with other random dicks.

Just kidding.

O.

[QUOTE=Rod8432;3522232]If an average looking dancer is all you're looking for, then $152 all-in oughta do it. As with any enterprise, there are those who can command more. I only do VIP occasionally, so want to make it count with a high caliber dancer, of which there are scant few. I'll go $200 because to me, it's worth stretching an extra $48 to have an awesome woman lavish me with a mind-blowing erotic session.

In any case, just make clear up front what you're willing to spend all-in, and exactly what you want to make it worthwhile for you. Aside from the occasional ROB, you should be good to go.[/QUOTE]I disagree.

I've banged the hottest "IG model" spinner Follies girls in VIP, and I've never paid more than $152. I've had them ask for more, but I decline, and later they invariably go ahead and agree to the $152.

Normally I would agree that an extra $50 is no problem if it facilitates negotiation, but it's so completely unnecessary at Follies that I can't really support it.

One good negotiating tactic (in general, not just at Follies) is to have exactly $152 ready to go (I always take this bundle to Follies and keep it separate from my "freeform" petty cash); if you can close on the spot, you can control the close. It's like buying properties: if you want to buy a property listed at $450,000 for $400,000, showing up with a cashier's check for $400,000 makes the seller much more likely to take the offer.

You want the mouth and vag for $152? Bring $152.

O.

[QUOTE=Rod8432;3522232]If an average looking dancer is all you're looking for, then $152 all-in oughta do it. As with any enterprise, there are those who can command more. I only do VIP occasionally, so want to make it count with a high caliber dancer, of which there are scant few. I'll go $200 because to me, it's worth stretching an extra $48 to have an awesome woman lavish me with a mind-blowing erotic session.

In any case, just make clear up front what you're willing to spend all-in, and exactly what you want to make it worthwhile for you. Aside from the occasional ROB, you should be good to go.[/QUOTE]

I only give $152. My ATF was a black spinner, and she was a 9 and there were no rules. My second best time was with a Latina bombshell who was a solid 10.
I let them know I'm not a nube and I've been to VIP many times. I agree with Ozy that having the $152 in hand ready to go is a must. I've never felt a girl was lackluster because she didn't get more. I let them know exactly what I'm looking for. Many girls quote $200. Be adamant and polite, and just say no. If she walks, you are better off. I think only one has ever walked on me. There are just too many of every type that you only have to wait 10 minutes for another you like to walk by.

Also, smile and get her to smile / laugh. Compliment her some way. If you have a little game, you can get better service. The best times I've had were where the girls danced a couple songs and sat and talked for 20 minutes or so. Joking and witty banter makes a world of difference and almost always produces digits. Plus, it gives me an idea if I would want to spend two or three hours OTC with her.

Except for those damn latinas. Earlier post.

[QUOTE=MattMakers;3522402]I only give $152. My ATF was a black spinner, and she was a 9 and there were no rules. My second best time was with a Latina bombshell who was a solid 10.
I let them know I'm not a nube and I've been to VIP many times. I agree with Ozy that having the $152 in hand ready to go is a must. I've never felt a girl was lackluster because she didn't get more. I let them know exactly what I'm looking for. Many girls quote $200. Be adamant and polite, and just say no. If she walks, you are better off. I think only one has ever walked on me. There are just too many of every type that you only have to wait 10 minutes for another you like to walk by.

Also, smile and get her to smile / laugh. Compliment her some way. If you have a little game, you can get better service. The best times I've had were where the girls danced a couple songs and sat and talked for 20 minutes or so. Joking and witty banter makes a world of difference and almost always produces digits. Plus, it gives me an idea if I would want to spend two or three hours OTC with her.

Except for those damn latinas. Earlier post.[/QUOTE]Yea the Latinas are all about getting the money. When I was there the Latina women were the only ones coming up and asking for a dance. Every Latina I got a dance from on the very first dance they'll say "VIP Papi?" They'll keep asking til you give in. And they don't stay and talk. They'll ask during mid song for a dance and if you say yes they'll start right there and then and that half song counts as a full one. They can be sneaky like that.