Sugarbabies?

[QUOTE=Ginzo666;6358420]Do you copy / paste the same opener repeatedly? Do you send a very large amount of messages over a short period of time? I wonder if they have automatic detection of what might be spam.

Do you block spammers swiftly? It's harder for them to report you if you preemptively block them.[/QUOTE]FWIW, I've been using copy and paste messages since I joined the site for the first time in 2011. I have *never* had a problem.

If you don't want to meet her on SB or SA you can meet her at cheeks in Dayton. She's back there.

An interesting article from Cory Doctorow about how online platforms start by offering value to both sellers and buyers, then end up extracting value from both in order to funnel as much money as possible to the venue's shareholders / owners.

[URL]https://www.wired.com/story/tiktok-platforms-cory-doctorow/[/URL]

Doctorow is writing about Facebook, Amazon, and TikTok, but the same thing applies to Seeking.

1.) Seeking began with a simple value proposition for both male and female members. We might think of men as "buyers", and the women as "sellers".

2.) The site offered college girls (and a lot of young single moms) an online venue where they could find trustworthy sugar daddies with low transaction costs.

3.) The site offered men who were *not* happy with the usual older, rough-looking escorts a place where they could find youngish girl-next-door types who would be willing to provide intimate companionship for moderate amounts of money. Transaction costs were low for buyers, too.

4.) Anyone who was a member of the site through 2018 or so agrees that it was great, with the peak probably occurring between 2012 and 2016.

5.) Seeking rapidly edged out other sites to achieve a virtual monopoly in the online sugar dating market. In 2011, SugarDaddyforMe was a good site. By 2013 it was dying. At present, there is no viable alternative to Seeking, because of the inherent network effect of a niche dating market.

6.) Then Seeking started raising fees. In the beginning, a membership was $50 per month. A membership now costs $110 per month.

7.) This price increase took place even as the Seeking experience was deteriorating for male members. Scammers, fake accounts, and inappropriate members (too many older women who are looking for conventional dating experiences) now comprise more than 60% of the female profiles.

8.) Then the rebranding of Valentine's Day 2022. Seeking basically became an eHarmony with 10 x the price tag. The sugar daddy value proposition used to be displayed on the splash page. Now that is gone, and Seeking is indistinguishable from any conventional dating site. This was mostly done to protect Brandon Wade (the owner) from any possible legal liabilities. (Also, Wade claimed to have fallen in love with a woman 30 years his junior.).

9.) The rebranding hurt female members as much as the men. Nowadays, I'm seeing so many profiles from middle-age (35- to 50-year-old) women looking for their next trophy husband. But how many of them are going to find that on Seeking? They would be much better off on Match, eHarmony, or even Tinder.

10.) At the same time, the site's messaging is unclear to young women who might actually be looking for a sugar daddy, à la 2013. (Keep in mind, a 19-year-old in 2022 wasn't on the site in 2013 or 2016; and she is not necessarily aware of the site's history.).

11.) I predict that Seeking will enter a death spiral at some point soon, and a new platform will arise. We need a new venue that connects ordinary women with paying gents for hookups, but still gives them some measure of discrimination (the ability to pick and choose the men they hang with), and that avoids the dreaded "escort" or "sex worker" connotation. This is what Seeking used to do. Now it doesn't.

12.) I can't see where Seeking provides a good value proposition to anyone right now, either men or women. Even the scammers are wasting their time on the site.

[QUOTE=Ginzo666;6358420]Do you copy / paste the same opener repeatedly? Do you send a very large amount of messages over a short period of time? I wonder if they have automatic detection of what might be spam.

Do you block spammers swiftly? It's harder for them to report you if you preemptively block them.[/QUOTE]I have been on the site since 2014. I have used a standard approach for most of that time. I have modified my approach from time to time. Today, I alternate a few approaches in which I change three or four words each time. I have not been blocking scammers. Instead, I send them a brief note saying hello and some minor politeness. Doing so allows me to confirm if they are truly scammers. On a few rare occasions, they are not. It is possible Seeking admins are looking for a lot of messages in a defined period. I chat with a lot of people. The day before the ban, I had ten messages in my inbox. I may have sent out another dozen or so approaches or follow-ups. Perhaps it's a numbers thing.

In any case, they declined my appeal and I have requested a refund and that they delete my credit card info from all their systems. They said I was being banned from Seeking and all their sister accounts but my account on WYP, under a different email, is still active. I also have an unpaid back-up account that I can use to view profiles. I can still answer questions from memory. I am pretty sure I know what I must do to get back on the site but I am going to take a break from Seeking and experiment with a few of the alternatives. Maybe I can develop my skills on those sites to match my performance on Seeking.

The real tragedy for me is that I had accumulated a ton of data on various profiles that I had saved via profile notes. Those are now gone. I am going to have to revert to my older notes system which was a lot more work. More work means being a lot more selective on what I save.

Tally ho!

BAM.

I've been banned for no reason for a couple of years and would like to get back on SA. What's the process for getting back on?

1 New email.

2 Use a gift / visa card.

Is that what has to be done?

When you get banned they keep:

IP address, account email, card number used for membership, your name and card address info, any pictures you used.

What to do to get back website.

Clear browser cache, Use VPN (may not be necessary), new email (outlook works), new payment card, use different pictures. Don't pay for a few days after you create a new account. Wait for pics to be approved. Then away you go. If you pay for a membership (Vanilla gift card may work, if not use it for gas). Don't enter your previously used name, address or zip code. You will get banned again. You can put any zip code you want when you activate a gift card. You can create multiple accounts using several email addresses with outlook. [EMAIL]JohnDoe1@outlook.com[/EMAIL] [EMAIL]JohnDoe2@outlook.com[/EMAIL] etc.

Good luck.

There are reports that they can also track your IP address and ban you that way too.

[QUOTE=Decatur21;6359525]There are reports that they can also track your IP address and ban you that way too.[/QUOTE]For using a VPN or cell hotspot.

The source IP changes every time you use it.

Also, if you're not on Spectrum and use Altafiber, when you swap out your router (not the fiber node) you'll get a different IP.

[QUOTE=CooperTown;6359069]I've been banned for no reason for a couple of years and would like to get back on SA. What's the process for getting back on?

1 New email.

2 Use a gift / visa card.

Is that what has to be done?[/QUOTE]You should also get a new device-not too expensive if it's a burner phone. Avoid your current location and IP like the plague. Maybe layer in a VPN. I have not tried to get back on myself. When I do, I will track all my steps and publish them. I am also toying with the idea of making more than one and offering them as rentals or auctioning them off. Once I find a reliable, repeatable process, I could save banned people a lot of wasted effort.

BAM.

She was on the site about 9 months ago. We had a MnG planned (just dinner, no $$ expectation) and she blocked my snap and deleted her SA account about 24 hours before the planned meeting.

Let me know if you made it further.

[QUOTE=TheWolverineJP;6356337]Gave me her number early, seems eager to meet, no red flags.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/399d3b82-7f6a-4669-8391-5a2f2349fd60[/URL][/QUOTE]

Curvy blonde, looks like a pro. I don't see any posts so maybe not. Supposed to meet Wednesday.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/a3f89f68-c19b-4bec-969a-e61315c74f7d[/URL]

[QUOTE=TheWolverineJP;6356337]Gave me her number early, seems eager to meet, no red flags.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/399d3b82-7f6a-4669-8391-5a2f2349fd60[/URL][/QUOTE]Talked to her a few months ago. She was going by CaringChick. This girl had really bad communication skills. Very frustrating to deal with. Plus she looked pretty bad in one of the pics she sent me so I passed.

[QUOTE=TheWolverineJP;6361437]Curvy blonde, looks like a pro. I don't see any posts so maybe not. Supposed to meet Wednesday.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/a3f89f68-c19b-4bec-969a-e61315c74f7d[/URL][/QUOTE]My best guess is that it's a fake account, but do let us know how it goes.

Also, for those who are claiming that certain accounts are "real", the only way to verify that is by either meeting them in person or via a video chat.

[QUOTE=ToddCincy;6358823]
7.) This price increase took place even as the Seeking experience was deteriorating for male members. Scammers, fake accounts, and inappropriate members (too many older women who are looking for conventional dating experiences) now comprise more than 60% of the female profiles.

12.) I can't see where Seeking provides a good value proposition to anyone right now, either men or women. Even the scammers are wasting their time on the site.[/QUOTE]7) I will put that at 80%.

12) Agreed.

[QUOTE=BamBam;6358124]Just wanted to let everyone know that Seeking has suspended me.....[/QUOTE]You are not missing much.

[QUOTE=HTownHobbyist;6362528]Also, for those who are claiming that certain accounts are "real", the only way to verify that is by either meeting them in person or via a video chat.[/QUOTE]Should we take this literally = The only way to verify that (X is real) is by either meeting them in person or via a video chat. Or, are you really saying the 'best way' vs 'only way'? Not starting an argument. Seeking clarification.

ArtisticModel, StunningInfluencer, WarmAphrodite, and LovingDancer all appeared on Seeking on the same day from London, Ohio, with no profile description, and are Asian in late 20s/early 30's. You know what that means lol

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/5b6e54c0-8f9f-4103-b0cb-803b243326da[/URL]
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/2ad07be6-59a1-4cec-b039-6ccde7cd4a4a[/URL]
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/2732f060-1799-40b6-a04e-0712d221fc3e[/URL]
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/3fb9c4d4-a6e2-4540-9b33-fdf3df8dc4fd[/URL]

Lynn is spamming / messaging multiple accounts on Seeking without any prior contact. Pic looks TGTBT for Cincy LOL.
[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/34795094-27e1-4b89-832b-666b60a93850[/URL]