Massage Parlor Reports

[QUOTE=LameelCono;5198906]Tiffany likes to keep it interesting at Saigon. Megan is a new addition and is worth a call. Asian and hot!

[URL]https://saigonspaferndale.wixsite.com/home[/URL]

[/QUOTE]FS availiable?

Professional cuddlers have been around for years. Usually $75 / hour.

In my experience, there is a 40% chance of extras.

This Ad has a red flag. 50% advance deposit and the phone number isn't local

[QUOTE=Wally2822;5198952][URL]https://detroit.rubratings.com/213654[/URL]

This is a first. "professional cuddling". Has anyone seen her yet? Any extras to be had?[/QUOTE]

Sent a message, asks for photo to verify. Not going to risk it.

[QUOTE=Wally2822;5198952][URL]https://detroit.rubratings.com/213654[/URL]

This is a first. "professional cuddling". Has anyone seen her yet? Any extras to be had?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DigitalDanny;5198872]Had a massage with Jenn about 6 days ago and She mentioned that her son is coming into town. Could be the reason why many aren't hearing from her.

Stay safe fellow mongers.[/QUOTE]So its been 6 days, how are you feeling?

[QUOTE=BramStroker;5199339]Sent a message, asks for photo to verify. Not going to risk it.[/QUOTE]Saw the same. Too many red flags on this one.

Was thinking about giving this one a try but have not had any luck with communication. Has anyone had a session with her before?

[URL]https://detroit.skipthegames.com/massage/caucasian_w/24hr-outcall-massage/257611231220[/URL]

Thanks for the heads up on Megan joining Saigon. You mentioned she's hot, how does she compare to Tiffany? Is she younger, thins, ect? Just curious if you'd pick her over Tiff.

[QUOTE=LameelCono;5198906]Tiffany likes to keep it interesting at Saigon. Megan is a new addition and is worth a call. Asian and hot!

[URL]https://saigonspaferndale.wixsite.com/home[/URL][/QUOTE]

Can anyone recommended a parlor in Sterling Heights? Something with FS would be nice.

I recall a negative review. Catfish or poor service? Memory fails me.

Has an Ad in Rubratings too.

[QUOTE=EngineerGuy01;5199371]Was thinking about giving this one a try but have not had any luck with communication. Has anyone had a session with her before?

[URL]https://detroit.skipthegames.com/massage/caucasian_w/24hr-outcall-massage/257611231220[/URL][/QUOTE]

Do you have a link?

[QUOTE=MagnifiRod;5193612]We all know about the misleading tactics the bikini chain uses.

You can add Tokyo / Luxurious Spa / Baked Bunz to that list.

Twice now I prepaid the 120 for "sensual" massage and then the girl says "all done" and bolts out the door at the end.

Tokyo's girls are young and pretty but the innocent game they play is just bullshit. They know exactly what they're doing and it's a scam.

If you're inclined to check out this thief, go in with a hard nose and let the big head win. I will never go back.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EngineerGuy01;5199371]Was thinking about giving this one a try but have not had any luck with communication. Has anyone had a session with her before?

[URL]https://detroit.skipthegames.com/massage/caucasian_w/24hr-outcall-massage/257611231220[/URL][/QUOTE]Very nice girl. She's bigger boned or perhaps just a bit thicker than the average. She get's naked and does the message on the bed, which is a fairly good massage, IMO. She let me play with the goods during. Only one thing I didn't like was sweat. It was a hotter than normal day. Even though AC was on, she sweat and some drops landed on me. I blocked it out and let her continue while I played. She does do HE but I didn't try for anything more as I was just beginning in the massage area of this hobby.

I've never had any issues with her in the past. She's good for what she offers.

[QUOTE=EngineerGuy01;5199371]Was thinking about giving this one a try but have not had any luck with communication. Has anyone had a session with her before?

[URL]https://detroit.skipthegames.com/massage/caucasian_w/24hr-outcall-massage/257611231220[/URL][/QUOTE]

There is an office building on 7 and Lathers. In between Inkster and Middlebelt. In Livonia.

Years ago on the basement level there were some girls who worked out of there. One of them was a really cute black girl. Shorter. I think had glasses. Very girl next door. But had MASSIVE boobs. I didn't have enough cash at the time to get much but she was so pretty. Anyone know who I am talking about? Or what happened to her? Or what girls used to work out of there?

[QUOTE=Wiggles0923;5199127]FS availiable?[/QUOTE]Would like to know more about this provider as well. Pm is fine.

[QUOTE=EngineerGuy01;5199371]Was thinking about giving this one a try but have not had any luck with communication. Has anyone had a session with her before?

[URL]https://detroit.skipthegames.com/massage/caucasian_w/24hr-outcall-massage/257611231220[/URL][/QUOTE]I saw her about 10 years ago.

Gave me a poor body rub, not a massage at all, on a couch or small bed in a mobile home.

She seemed a bit uncomfortable or maybe guarded but relaxed a bit during the appt.

Finished with a decent BBBJCIM didn't go back though because of massage skills.

[QUOTE=LameelCono;5198906]Tiffany likes to keep it interesting at Saigon. Megan is a new addition and is worth a call. Asian and hot!

[URL]https://saigonspaferndale.wixsite.com/home[/URL][/QUOTE]Reads like an ad lmao.

[QUOTE=StaticAjm;5199843]Reads like an ad lmao.[/QUOTE]Not sure how else to say it. Many are interested to know new talent is out there. Did not mean to offend anyone. after all, aren't all these posts a form of information, an ad in some way?

[QUOTE=ShadowDancer36;5199521]Can anyone recommended a parlor in Sterling Heights? Something with FS would be nice.[/QUOTE]I don't believe your geographic limit and service interests intersect.

[QUOTE=BoscoMan;5199415]Thanks for the heads up on Megan joining Saigon. You mentioned she's hot, how does she compare to Tiffany? Is she younger, thins, ect? Just curious if you'd pick her over Tiff.[/QUOTE]Trying not to make this seem like an ad that offends some. Megan is the same age as Tiffany. Very attractive. However, she is new to the trade so don't expect any FS for a while. A work in progress. Her English is very good. I've known Tiffany for quite some time. I can't compare as it will take Megan some time to attain some of the skills Tiffany has acquired over time and experience. I've seen SP that were drop dead gorgeous but were unable to bring an ambiance to the session that would make it memorable. It's like the Downriver Nuru lady. You know you've been there, you won't soon forget what she did. She should sell t-shirts that say "I've experienced the Downriver Nuru Lady".

Anyone know where I can find a AMP with full service? Treating myself for b day.

[quote=staticajm;5199843]reads like an ad lmao.[/quote]fyathyrio!

[QUOTE=ShadowDancer36;5199521]Can anyone recommended a parlor in Sterling Heights? Something with FS would be nice.[/QUOTE]FWIW. I chatted with someone at La Toca. $ for an hour massage. Some specials available. Would discuss the specials after I arrived. Didn't make an appointment. Just didn't have the time to follow up.

[QUOTE=ShadowDancer36;5199521]Can anyone recommended a parlor in Sterling Heights? Something with FS would be nice.[/QUOTE]As a new person on here you are asking for a lot. You're unlikely to get any intel on that request until you provide some in return. Read through the forum and learn from what we have already paid for and reported on.

[QUOTE=Pachancho;5200050]Anyone know where I can find a AMP with full service? Treating myself for b day.[/QUOTE]Sunny, healing plus, spring well healing, or go to Jackson. They have a forum.

[QUOTE=EngineerGuy01;5199371]Was thinking about giving this one a try but have not had any luck with communication. Has anyone had a session with her before?

[URL]https://detroit.skipthegames.com/massage/caucasian_w/24hr-outcall-massage/257611231220[/URL][/QUOTE]Saw her once about three or four years ago and she looked exactly like her pictures then. As I recall, the massage was pretty average. Unless she's changed her menu up, the only thing available was a standard HJ.

[QUOTE=BillCo;5192850]Please try her out and report back I would be interested in hearing if she is for real.[/QUOTE]TOFTT, as another poster after mentioned correctly, she works the same building as Carla's. They require you to wash your hands and the whole place smells like essential oils galore. Did the hr for 1. And overall was a mediocre massage and she doesn't talk much. Not bad, but not memorable either. She looks like her pics, but they might be a year or two old cause her hair is brown and she's a bit chubbier, but still looks great. I inquired about a handshake and she quoted. 6 which was way too much imo. Tried to negotiate. 4 but she wouldn't budge and was kind a rushing me at the end, so the mood didn't connect and I didn't go for it. Tipped. 2.

I'm curious to see hear any reports about Noelle or Angelina if anyone has experience with them (CG links below). Can confirm those pics of Angelina are real (2nd one), I walked past her in the hallway to the massage room and she seemed quite bubbly.

[URL]https://detroit.craigslist.org/wyn/bts/d/dearborn-heights-body-consultations/7267650592.html[/URL]

[URL]https://detroit.craigslist.org/wyn/bts/d/canton-body-rub/7274501536.html[/URL]

I've been to BB 3 times. Never got HE. Just topless and DIY. This last time I was more upfront on what I wanted and it turns out it would be 175 for topless HE.

[QUOTE=MagnifiRod;5193612]We all know about the misleading tactics the bikini chain uses.

You can add Tokyo / Luxurious Spa / Baked Bunz to that list.

Twice now I prepaid the 120 for "sensual" massage and then the girl says "all done" and bolts out the door at the end.

Tokyo's girls are young and pretty but the innocent game they play is just bullshit. They know exactly what they're doing and it's a scam.

If you're inclined to check out this thief, go in with a hard nose and let the big head win. I will never go back.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TeeTime69;5199560]I recall a negative review. Catfish or poor service? Memory fails me.

Has an Ad in Rubratings too.[/QUOTE]I seem to remember a bad review as well. Something like a dude paid a ton for a FS Duo, and o;e was intom8 t, but she sat on the sidelines for the most part while her partner took care of bidness, and she was a "cold fish" throughout. Sound familiar?

Had a dream I dropped by. Saw Sasha (? Hard to tell with mask and her English wasn't great). Guessing 20 something nice body spinner type. Massage was decent. Wasn't the best pressure in the world though she did work out some kinks in my neck. Teasing was good. On flip asked me if it was ok. Said yes. Then asked me to diy which I declined. She handled it from there. Solid he and knew what to do with off hand to keep it interesting. Little bit utc roaming allowed up top but wasn't totally embraced. OTC was fine. All in all good. 7 plus 6. Would return.

[QUOTE=LameelCono;5199932]Trying not to make this seem like an ad that offends some. Megan is the same age as Tiffany. Very attractive. However, she is new to the trade so don't expect any FS for a while. A work in progress. Her English is very good. I've known Tiffany for quite some time. I can't compare as it will take Megan some time to attain some of the skills Tiffany has acquired over time and experience. I've seen SP that were drop dead gorgeous but were unable to bring an ambiance to the session that would make it memorable. It's like the Downriver Nuru lady. You know you've been there, you won't soon forget what she did. She should sell t-shirts that say "I've experienced the Downriver Nuru Lady".[/QUOTE]Does she use gloves during the massage like Tiffany?

[QUOTE=Wally2822;5198952][URL]https://detroit.rubratings.com/213654[/URL]

This is a first. "professional cuddling". Has anyone seen her yet? Any extras to be had?[/QUOTE]I was very curious after I posted this so I decided to TOFTT yesterday. Reached out to her and she asked for a face pic for her safety. Sent her a fake pic. We text back and forth to setup a time and which package I wanted. She insisted I do the $200 package (of course she would) for a complete body treatment. She asked if I had the cash on me or if I had to goto the bank before LOL. I told her cash is on me. She sent an address to a tim hortons near m59/ heidenrech road. After I got there, she asked if I had to use the restroom at all and if I did to use it at the Tim Hortons. I told her I don't need to and then she told me to park behind an insurance building nearby and she would open the door. She asked that when I walk in to have the cash ready, mask on, and I was not allowed to discuss services out loud because of the offices nearby. I walked in to a tiny mini office (10 x10 room), no bathroom, extremely dark and she had a mattress on the floor along with a unfolded massage table on the side. BTW, she is definitely not the girl in the pics. She was blonde with colored eyes but extremely short and chunky. I decided to go along with it bcz this was a first "cuddle session" for me overall and really didn't know what to expect. I paid her the money and she thanked me 3 x and she told me to get comfortable. I got undressed and she told me to keep my pants on for the first portion of the session. We laid on the mattress and we started to "cuddle". She had so many fucking rules it got very annoying. I had to keep my mask on and she wouldn't allow roaming or kissing at all. She blocked my hands multiple times. She then started to tease jr with her hands and legs even with my pants still on so I was ok with how things were going. After about 20 min or so, she had me get up, moved the mattress to the side and set the massage table up and asked me to lay face down. She gave a slightly below avg massage with heavy lotion all over my body. No teasing. Asked me to flip. Massaged just about every area and I could tell the end was very near. I asked her if she was going to massage the main area and pointed down. She acted like she was so stunned that I had asked her that. She was so shocked. She said she does not partake in anything "illegal" and that she wants to live her life not looking over her shoulder because she is doing "illegal things". I told her there is no way I am the first to ask her to do that and she said in her ad it specifically says no sexual services. I told her you were on rubratings and 95% of those ads say that but shit always goes down. She kept saying she doesn't condone in illegal activity and she is getting uncomfortable with me asking her more than once. I told her lets end the session and she's like I don't want you yo be upset. I want you to come back. I told her I can spend $200 elsewhere and have a much better time. Overall it was a complete waste of time and I paid $200 for blue balls. Definitely will not repeat and I hope I save some fellow mongers some time / money with this review.

I think overall experience was similar. Girl was hot, massage was meh, place looked and felt great + safe and private. But extras were only an overpriced HE with no other extras offered.

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4501-Massage-Parlor-Reports&p=5096063&viewfull=1[/URL]#post5096063.

[QUOTE=BramStroker;5096063]Went to see Carla [URL]https://adultsearch.com/michigan/detroit/body-rubs/1161315[/URL] based on the recent report here.

But when I got there, it was another younger girl instead. She later explained that Carla had to leave so she had asked to sub for her.

1 hr was $, but she mentioned that in a bikini would $. 6, so I chose that.

There was a lot of waiting because she was occupied with something else which was annoying but there is no point complaining I suppose.

She finally entered in a robe, stripped into a thong and remained topless. The massage itself was okay. It was with coconut oil, better than light touching and was mildly firm (I chose medium pressure), but if a real massage is the requirement I'd look elsewhere. There was no teasing, which made it seem very mechanical and not erotic at all. Spent most of the time working on my back while I lay on my stomach.

When there was around 15 min left, she said she can either flip and continue or said we can do a reverse massage. My expectation of the latter was that it would be like nuru but turns it was just her lying on the table while I massaged. Which turned out to be awkward and pointless for me. I asked if she offered extras and she said no initially. Roaming was allowed but nothing else. Towards the end she agreed for a HJ for. 5, I only had. 4 and she accepted it.
Total damage - $$

Pros. Location was very discreet, private and felt upscale and clean. The provider that I got, Noelle was young, hot and had a great body.

Cons. Was waiting on her to get ready for quite some time, felt like the waits at Saigon.

Experience didn't feel sensual and nothing allowed beyond HE, which kinda feel worth it for the price which is the same as Bonita's where the experience is very sensual, but Bonita herself is physically less appealing. Maybe extras would be available eventually and YMMV.

She advertises separately, and mentioned that different girls worked there with different ads and numbers. I would try again later with Carla herself to see how it would be, but wouldn't repeat with Noelle herself right away.

Her ad - [URL]https://adultsearch.com/michigan/detroit/body-rubs/1919159[/URL].

The number she gave matched up with the ad and she looks pretty much the same in person except her face looks different. The body is pretty much the same.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ShadowLotus513;5200577]TOFTT, as another poster after mentioned correctly, she works the same building as Carla's. They require you to wash your hands and the whole place smells like essential oils galore. Did the hr for 1. And overall was a mediocre massage and she doesn't talk much. Not bad, but not memorable either. She looks like her pics, but they might be a year or two old cause her hair is brown and she's a bit chubbier, but still looks great. I inquired about a handshake and she quoted. 6 which was way too much imo. Tried to negotiate. 4 but she wouldn't budge and was kind a rushing me at the end, so the mood didn't connect and I didn't go for it. Tipped. 2.

I'm curious to see hear any reports about Noelle or Angelina if anyone has experience with them (CG links below). Can confirm those pics of Angelina are real (2nd one), I walked past her in the hallway to the massage room and she seemed quite bubbly.

[URL]https://detroit.craigslist.org/wyn/bts/d/dearborn-heights-body-consultations/7267650592.html[/URL]

[URL]https://detroit.craigslist.org/wyn/bts/d/canton-body-rub/7274501536.html[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Johnny075;5200158]FWIW. I chatted with someone at La Toca. $ for an hour massage. Some specials available. Would discuss the specials after I arrived. Didn't make an appointment. Just didn't have the time to follow up.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info. I'll leave details if anything takes place.

Why does this make me kind of want to try? The trill of the hunt sometimes is self-defeating for me, LOL.

[QUOTE=Wally2822;5201067]I was very curious after I posted this so I decided to TOFTT yesterday. Reached out to her and she asked for a face pic for her safety. Sent her a fake pic. We text back and forth to setup a time and which package I wanted. She insisted I do the $200 package (of course she would) for a complete body treatment. She asked if I had the cash on me or if I had to goto the bank before LOL. I told her cash is on me. She sent an address to a tim hortons near m59/ heidenrech road. After I got there, she asked if I had to use the restroom at all and if I did to use it at the Tim Hortons. I told her I don't need to and then she told me to park behind an insurance building nearby and she would open the door. She asked that when I walk in to have the cash ready, mask on, and I was not allowed to discuss services out loud because of the offices nearby. I walked in to a tiny mini office (10 x10 room), no bathroom, extremely dark and she had a mattress on the floor along with a unfolded massage table on the side. BTW, she is definitely not the girl in the pics. She was blonde with colored eyes but extremely short and chunky. I decided to go along with it bcz this was a first "cuddle session" for me overall and really didn't know what to expect. I paid her the money and she thanked me 3 x and she told me to get comfortable. I got undressed and she told me to keep my pants on for the first portion of the session. We laid on the mattress and we started to "cuddle". She had so many fucking rules it got very annoying. I had to keep my mask on and she wouldn't allow roaming or kissing at all. She blocked my hands multiple times. She then started to tease jr with her hands and legs even with my pants still on so I was ok with how things were going. After about 20 min or so, she had me get up, moved the mattress to the side and set the massage table up and asked me to lay face down. She gave a slightly below avg massage with heavy lotion all over my body. No teasing. Asked me to flip. Massaged just about every area and I could tell the end was very near. I asked her if she was going to massage the main area and pointed down..[/QUOTE]

Don't want to confuse, but all is good. I would not hesitate to follow your dreams.

I am sorry about your experience, thanks for TOFTT. I texted her yesterday to set up an appointment and she was really selling the 2 or more hours but I insisted on just one hour so she became a bit hostile saying how she looked me up and that I am a trouble maker and give the legit business a bad name by being cheap and not willing to follow recommendations or read her ad that says no questions. Does she really expect everyone to not ask any questions? She finally said that I need to send a pic and have the cash in hand. I said no thanks and she kept sending nasty text messages. I know I should have blocked her but I was amused for a little while. Don't waste your time with this one. Still searching for something good out in the north east area if anyone has any recommendations.

[QUOTE=Wally2822;5201067]I was very curious after I posted this so I decided to TOFTT yesterday. Reached out to her and she asked for a face pic for her safety. Sent her a fake pic. We text back and forth to setup a time and which package I wanted. She insisted I do the $200 package (of course she would) for a complete body treatment. She asked if I had the cash on me or if I had to goto the bank before LOL. I told her cash is on me. She sent an address to a tim hortons near m59/ heidenrech road. After I got there, she asked if I had to use the restroom at all and if I did to use it at the Tim Hortons. I told her I don't need to and then she told me to park behind an insurance building nearby and she would open the door. She asked that when I walk in to have the cash ready, mask on, and I was not allowed to discuss services out loud because of the offices nearby. I walked in to a tiny mini office (10 x10 room), no bathroom, extremely dark and she had a mattress on the floor along with a unfolded massage table on the side. BTW, she is definitely not the girl in the pics. She was blonde with colored eyes but extremely short and chunky. I decided to go along with it bcz this was a first "cuddle session" for me overall and really didn't know what to expect. I paid her the money and she thanked me 3 x and she told me to get comfortable. I got undressed and she told me to keep my pants on for the first portion of the session. We laid on the mattress and we started to "cuddle". She had so many fucking rules it got very annoying. I had to keep my mask on and she wouldn't allow roaming or kissing at all. She blocked my hands multiple times. She then started to tease jr with her hands and legs even with my pants still on so I was ok with how things were going. After about 20 min or so, she had me get up, moved the mattress to the side and set the massage table up and asked me to lay face down. She gave a slightly below avg massage with heavy lotion all over my body. No teasing. Asked me to flip. Massaged just about every area and I could tell the end was very near. I asked her if she was going to massage the main area and pointed down. She acted like she was so stunned that I had asked her that. She was so shocked. She said she does not partake in anything "illegal" and that she wants to live her life not looking over her shoulder because she is doing "illegal things". I told her there is no way I am the first to ask her to do that and she said in her ad it specifically says no sexual services. I told her you were on rubratings and 95% of those ads say that but shit always goes down. She kept saying she doesn't condone in illegal activity and she is getting uncomfortable with me asking her more than once. I told her lets end the session and she's like I don't want you yo be upset. I want you to come back. I told her I can spend $200 elsewhere and have a much better time. Overall it was a complete waste of time and I paid $200 for blue balls. Definitely will not repeat and I hope I save some fellow mongers some time / money with this review.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Argongas;5201127]Why does this make me kind of want to try? The trill of the hunt sometimes is self-defeating for me, LOL.[/QUOTE]Agreed. That gray area of will it or won't it happen is always thrilling.

[QUOTE=JoeyKing;5201432]I am sorry about your experience, thanks for TOFTT. I texted her yesterday to set up an appointment and she was really selling the 2 or more hours but I insisted on just one hour so she became a bit hostile saying how she looked me up and that I am a trouble maker and give the legit business a bad name by being cheap and not willing to follow recommendations or read her ad that says no questions. Does she really expect everyone to not ask any questions? She finally said that I need to send a pic and have the cash in hand. I said no thanks and she kept sending nasty text messages. I know I should have blocked her but I was amused for a little while. Don't waste your time with this one. Still searching for something good out in the north east area if anyone has any recommendations.[/QUOTE]Guys. This chick is like *ucking psycho. After 1 text I asked her a question. She wanted a pic of me holding 2 fingers or whatever. I think I asked something about her availability and to send a confirmation pic. She goes off about how I'm not to ask questions and how I can't read her ad. She is also posting on Craigslist. Someone needs to call her out on her BS.

Needless to say I called her coo-coo and ended that shit before it went any further.

[QUOTE=FunNights69;5200977]Does she use gloves during the massage like Tiffany?[/QUOTE]I texted Tiffany yesterday about seeing megan. I was unable to make it so I texted back that I would try today. I make it over there and Tiffany shows me into the room. A few minutes later an older thin Asian lady walks in. I said hi what's your name. She says I am at michelle. I said are you the new girl she said yes. I am thinking to myself this is not the Megan that I read reports on. Needless to say, apparently I got taken because this lady didn't understand much English and was very new. The whole thing including the weak massage was very awkward and disappointing. I did not have a good time. Guess I shouldn't be surprised.

Good on you!

[QUOTE=ShadowLotus513;5200577]TOFTT, as another poster after mentioned correctly, she works the same building as Carla's. They require you to wash your hands and the whole place smells like essential oils galore. Did the hr for 1. And overall was a mediocre massage and she doesn't talk much. Not bad, but not memorable either. She looks like her pics, but they might be a year or two old cause her hair is brown and she's a bit chubbier, but still looks great. I inquired about a handshake and she quoted. 6 which was way too much imo. Tried to negotiate. 4 but she wouldn't budge and was kind a rushing me at the end, so the mood didn't connect and I didn't go for it. Tipped. 2.

I'm curious to see hear any reports about Noelle or Angelina if anyone has experience with them (CG links below). Can confirm those pics of Angelina are real (2nd one), I walked past her in the hallway to the massage room and she seemed quite bubbly.

[URL]https://detroit.craigslist.org/wyn/bts/d/dearborn-heights-body-consultations/7267650592.html[/URL]

[URL]https://detroit.craigslist.org/wyn/bts/d/canton-body-rub/7274501536.html[/URL][/QUOTE]