Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

While as most people do, I have my I-need-to-fuck-someone moments, overall I def need more than just sex. That's why I've found myself gravitating towards sugar babies. Many of them are just in it for the gold, but there are a few that aren't. And those are the treasures I'm finding most fulfilling. Harder to find, that's for sure, though.

[QUOTE=TDNorth;3057414]I appreciated your perspective as well as what others have shared on this topic. I have found myself asking the same questions and what started out as a quest to fulfill a lifetime of desired experiences it turns out that I have done all that I set out to do yet I keep looking for something more. It turns out just sharing of myself, being kind, compassionate and empathetic and getting to know others that are of the same emotional maturity level can be as rewarding and fulfilling as the other aspects. For me, I need more than a 'session'. I need to share myself in many ways and I enjoy when a SP does the same. Thanks to you and to all who chimed in on the matter.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JLZ61;3057557]While as most people do, I have my I-need-to-fuck-someone moments, overall I def need more than just sex. That's why I've found myself gravitating towards sugar babies. Many of them are just in it for the gold, but there are a few that aren't. And those are the treasures I'm finding most fulfilling. Harder to find, that's for sure, though.[/QUOTE]Because I am looking for just the opposite. Don't want to hang out, as they love to put it. Want to get in, get out and have a nice quick visit. My experience with SBs is they want to hold themselves out as something more than they are, give the illusion of a relationship when, in fact, they are probably carrying on the same type of relationship with several other guys. If someone is looking for a relationship, they ought to do it the old fashioned way and just start dating someone, imo.

SBs provide the same services. The only difference is they want a premium to do so.

I agree that a lot of SBs hold themselves out as something more than just an escort. And I agree with you that a good number are two or three or even four timing their SDs. But not all.

In several years of playing in the sugar bowl, I've found a few here and there (like 3 or 4) that don't appear to be that way. It could be that I'm that naive but I've been invited into their personal lives, met their friends and family, etc. Iv'e gotten to know their stories pretty well.

That said, one never really knows. LOL.

[QUOTE=3-MinutePassion;3057592]Because I am looking for just the opposite. Don't want to hang out, as they love to put it. Want to get in, get out and have a nice quick visit. My experience with SBs is they want to hold themselves out as something more than they are, give the illusion of a relationship when, in fact, they are probably carrying on the same type of relationship with several other guys. If someone is looking for a relationship, they ought to do it the old fashioned way and just start dating someone, imo.

SBs provide the same services. The only difference is they want a premium to do so.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JLZ61;3057955]I agree that a lot of SBs hold themselves out as something more than just an escort. And I agree with you that a good number are two or three or even four timing their SDs. But not all.

In several years of playing in the sugar bowl, I've found a few here and there (like 3 or 4) that don't appear to be that way. It could be that I'm that naive but I've been invited into their personal lives, met their friends and family, etc. Iv'e gotten to know their stories pretty well.

That said, one never really knows. LOL.[/QUOTE]Your right, there are girls who want only one. Most would prefer that if that one daddy can provide what they need. Most guys playing the bowl don't want that, they hit it 1-2 times and disappear so girls soon learn they need a rotation of their own for reliable income turning them into utr girls by my standards. A true sb for me has just one and removes her profile. If the profile is active then they are still in the game.

Yup, that's happened to me three times. In each case she removed her profile. At least hid it so I couldn't see it. (I think that the rules changed recently on how the hiding thing works.) In each case we ended up having a very nice time, personal as well as in bed. Available and willing and interested.

That said, quite hard to find!

[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;3058027]Your right, there are girls who want only one. Most would prefer that if that one daddy can provide what they need. Most guys playing the bowl don't want that, they hit it 1-2 times and disappear so girls soon learn they need a rotation of their own for reliable income turning them into utr girls by my standards. A true sb for me has just one and removes her profile. If the profile is active then they are still in the game.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JLZ61;3058268]Yup, that's happened to me three times. In each case she removed her profile. At least hid it so I couldn't see it. (I think that the rules changed recently on how the hiding thing works.) In each case we ended up having a very nice time, personal as well as in bed. Available and willing and interested.

That said, quite hard to find![/QUOTE]I am having the exact same experience, and like you said it was hard to find. But its really great. Its also a more expensive experience, but much more rewarding and safe.

Crissee's BF is trying to hit people up to get funds to get her out. Not going to happen. He set some people up to release them from their funds last time she was with her uncle. She is locked up until 2017. Do yourself a favor and don't fall for this BS.

I took some time off, personal reasons and a close call that tempered my desire (see rules to monger by). Excited to get back and see some of the new girls. Been mongering for 6 years now, probably seen 25 providers. This is too valuable of a resource not to be a member.

[QUOTE=ItsTimeToEat;3059165]Crissee's BF is trying to hit people up to get funds to get her out. Not going to happen. He set some people up to release them from their funds last time she was with her uncle. She is locked up until 2017. Do yourself a favor and don't fall for this BS.[/QUOTE]There have been a couple of times, in the past, when guys have approached me with this line. Hey, "our gal" is in prison. You can help "her" out by sending funds. Yeah, right. One time I asked the guy when she would be getting out. He said he would be sure to inform me. I didn't send money. When she did get out, this nice, soft spoken guy who had been asking for money turned into a junkyard dog and told me to F off. Most of these guys are knuckle draggers.

[QUOTE=3-MinutePassion;3059235]There have been a couple of times, in the past, when guys have approached me with this line. Hey, "our gal" is in prison. You can help "her" out by sending funds. Yeah, right. One time I asked the guy when she would be getting out. He said he would be sure to inform me. I didn't send money. When she did get out, this nice, soft spoken guy who had been asking for money turned into a junkyard dog and told me to F off. Most of these guys are knuckle draggers.[/QUOTE]His other MO is to offer a different girl. There isn't another girl just some guys looking to help shrink your wallet. I asked her when she got out about both situations and it was confirmed. I was curios after he called my "B" phone where he was living but it was a private number. Just stay away.

It always make Leary when I get that kinda text or call. I've gotten my car is broke down can you fix it? Power is turned off, can I pay the bill the kids are cold. Can you come get me? I'm stranded. Kids doctor appoiment no money for the bill or the meds. I'm being kicked out of the hotel, do you have a place I can stay? , was she crazy? There no food in the house. And yes I'm in jail and you are my one phone call, . You ask? Yes I got her out of jail, LOL first thing I checked was why she was there? It was a unpaid traffic ticket. Having seen her a couple of times and always enjoying each other, knowing she had two kids and was a good mother, she didn't need to be in jail, that place sucked. I picked her up, took her home to pack a bag, because her sexy ass was spending the day with me! It's not like she had plans, kid were with family, so she was mine, LOL. As it turned out we had a great time, spent the day on the river, sunset dinner and great sex for most of the night. Took her home at 10:30 in the morning at it was back to reality. I will leave her name out of the story because she is a great person and great service, and I had the choice to say no. But I'm sure everybody has some kinda story. LOL.

I used to think only stripper would call you the next day needing something, now even the escort do it too. I'm not sure who's post it was but he said its all about the money for some of these girls. So guys don't let them mistake kindness for weekends. Because they will, believe me. Be safe OBR.

[QUOTE=OneBigRichard;3059461]It always make Leary when I get that kinda text or call. I've gotten my car is broke down can you fix it? Power is turned off, can I pay the bill the kids are cold. Can you come get me? I'm stranded. Kids doctor appoiment no money for the bill or the meds. I'm being kicked out of the hotel, do you have a place I can stay? , was she crazy? There no food in the house. And yes I'm in jail and you are my one phone call, . You ask? Yes I got her out of jail, LOL first thing I checked was why she was there? It was a unpaid traffic ticket. Having seen her a couple of times and always enjoying each other, knowing she had two kids and was a good mother, she didn't need to be in jail, that place sucked. I picked her up, took her home to pack a bag, because her sexy ass was spending the day with me! It's not like she had plans, kid were with family, so she was mine, LOL. As it turned out we had a great time, spent the day on the river, sunset dinner and great sex for most of the night. Took her home at 10:30 in the morning at it was back to reality. I will leave her name out of the story because she is a great person and great service, and I had the choice to say no. But I'm sure everybody has some kinda story. LOL.

I used to think only stripper would call you the next day needing something, now even the escort do it too. I'm not sure who's post it was but he said its all about the money for some of these girls. So guys don't let them mistake kindness for weekends. Because they will, believe me. Be safe OBR.[/QUOTE]When things like this happen its usually because the monger has inserted himself into her life. If they do this then expect these types of requests. I've never heard of a top tier escort do this. They are professional do their job.

[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;3059986]When things like this happen its usually because the monger has inserted himself into her life. If they do this then expect these types of requests. I've never heard of a top tier escort do this. They are professional do their job.[/QUOTE]Not to sure about inserting into there lives? Other than seeing and enjoying them multiple times and than there was lots of inserting. Maybe more like understanding life happens and needing a friends help. It's has always came back around. I like overnight visits, no clock, dinner and drinks and having fun sometimes, always available and pretty much anything I'd like to do in the bedroom. Not always wham bam out of here kinda guy. If I'm going to spend my hard earned on her, you bet she's going to earn it. Believe me lmao You may have to explain what a top tier escort is, thanks and Be safe OBR.

And I'm thinking you all already know this stuff, so I'm just venting and trying to be funny. It's been a rough weekend for me.

1. When you call an escort the first thing out of your mouth shouldn't be "I love your fat ass. It's making me hard. ".

2. In order to see an escort you must be fluent in English! When I ask you where you are located, you answer "Burger King, I ask what town you are in and you again answer "Burger King. " don't be surprised if I won't see you. I did see one guy who didn't speak English. He spoke just enough to find my address. The only words he knew were "I love you. " and "Come on, Come on. " When the appointment was coming to and end I asked how he wanted to cum, he didn't understand me, so I asked him what language he spoke. I was able to find out with much trouble that he was Tibetian. I did a Tibetian to English translation. Unfortunately he was an illiterate tibetian. Frustrated, we went over the time, no biggie, I wanted him to cum and we couldn't communicate. What's a girl to do?

3. Don't show up at a providers residence unannounced. I know you are jonesing for my BBBJ, but my parents may be visiting from out of town. I might have a friend over who doesn't know I'm an escort. It's just not a good idea. Recently a guy showed up at 11 thirty pm and called me with no appointment scheduled. I was tired and wanted to go to bed. He begged me to see him and his excuse for showing up unannounced was that I had seen him already. I eventually hung up on him and he continued to call back, so I turned the phone off. He's on my do not see list in my contacts.

#3 continued. One guy who was a regular actually showed up without a phone call. He just knocked on my door! This is so not a good idea on so many levels!

4. Don't send dick pics and ask me if I'd see you for free, because you have such a fine dick. Actually don't send a dick pic for any reason. I know you're showing off and your dick is fine, but I know what dicks look like and I'd rather see yours in person. It's a bad way to introduce yourself to an escort.

5. It's really sweet of you to call me and offer me a free nude body massage. If I'm going to be naked and an escort you are going to have to pay me my rate.

6. Don't call an escort and ask if she is looking for a boyfriend or husband. I mean seriously, you've never even met me! No explanation needed.

7. Don't give an escort counterfeit money! Happened to me Friday.

8. If your going to have a lengthy conversation with an escort that requires long paragraphs, don't text, call instead. Actually if you can make a phone call, choose the call over text. No escort has the finger stamina and endurance to text over 10 guys at once for hours on end. I know, I know, you have to text, because you are at work, in a work meeting or your wife's in the room. I didn't realize that texting a hooker during work was allowed in your workplace. LOL. Your boss must be very open minded!

9. Don't call an escort asking for free phone sex. She doesn't believe you when you tell her you're going to make a real appointment and pay her $600 if she does phone sex just this once. We see right through you!

10. No sexting. When you want to make a appointment and you have to text, make it short. Don't go on and on with "So what are you going to do with me when we meet? What next? Tell me what you like to do sexually? What are you the best at? What are you going to wear for me? What are you wearing now?.

11. If you make an appointment Friday for Monday, don't text all day Friday, Saturday and Sunday to chat, especially if we are working during those hours.

12. When you text an escort, don't just text "hi. " and when she asks what you want, don't respond with "hi. " again. The best texts are to the point.

13. When you arrive at the my incall, it's not the proper time to negotiate the rate down. If it was agreed ahead of time that I'd see you for $100 for half an hour don't come with $50 and expect me to see you. If I decline to see you for half price, don't try to talk me into seeing you and please, please, please if I won't discount the agreed rate further, don't pull your pants down and masturbate in front of me! This happened to me yesterday.

14. Please don't ask me to do a threesome with you and your mother. Also don't request an appointment that involves you smelling my poop on a plate while I watch or put it in a doggy bag for you to take home with you, that is unless you want me to actually see you! You'd have a better chance calling someone from the fetish section.

15. Don't call an escort asking for a massage / body rub for body rub prices. Maybe this will work for some, but there is a body rub section you can call providers on.

16, If a provider lists her age as 41, don't assume she's 21. This happened to me today!

17. When you make an appointment at say 7, don't show up at 8 and tell me that you went to the Holiday Inn or RT 9, when I texted you that I was at the Marriott on Main Street! Also if you can't find my room don't go to the front desk asking where my room number is located.

18. When you come to my residence and I tell you not to talk until we are in my apt. It doesn't mean I don't mind if you whisper or say hello when I open the door. I'm trying to be discreet so the neighbors don't notice what's going on.

19. Be sure you own a gps, have one on your phone or at least mapquest my location.

20. When I instruct you to go to the porch on the left side of the house, don't go to the right side or wander around in the back where the parking lot is.

Despite everything I still love escorting, but did I mention I had a tough weekend? LOL.

[QUOTE=Deb4512;3062858]And I'm thinking you all already know this stuff, so I'm just venting and trying to be funny. It's been a rough weekend for me.

1. When you call an escort the first thing out of your mouth shouldn't be "I love your fat ass. It's making me hard. ".

2. In order to see an escort you must be fluent in English! When I ask you where you are located, you answer "Burger King, I ask what town you are in and you again answer "Burger King. " don't be surprised if I won't see you. I did see one guy who didn't speak English. He spoke just enough to find my address. The only words he knew were "I love you. " and "Come on, Come on. " When the appointment was coming to and end I asked how he wanted to cum, he didn't understand me, so I asked him what language he spoke. I was able to find out with much trouble that he was Tibetian. I did a Tibetian to English translation. Unfortunately he was an illiterate tibetian. Frustrated, we went over the time, no biggie, I wanted him to cum and we couldn't communicate. What's a girl to do?

3. Don't show up at a providers residence unannounced. I know you are jonesing for my BBBJ, but my parents may be visiting from out of town. I might have a friend over who doesn't know I'm an escort. It's just not a good idea. Recently a guy showed up at 11 thirty pm and called me with no appointment scheduled. I was tired and wanted to go to bed. He begged me to see him and his excuse for showing up unannounced was that I had seen him already. I eventually hung up on him and he continued to call back, so I turned the phone off. He's on my do not see list in my contacts.

#3 continued. One guy who was a regular actually showed up without a phone call. He just knocked on my door! This is so not a good idea on so many levels!

4. Don't send dick pics and ask me if I'd see you for free, because you have such a fine dick. Actually don't send a dick pic for any reason. I know you're showing off and your dick is fine, but I know what dicks look like and I'd rather see yours in person. It's a bad way to introduce yourself to an escort.

5. It's really sweet of you to call me and offer me a free nude body massage. If I'm going to be naked and an escort you are going to have to pay me my rate.

6. Don't call an escort and ask if she is looking for a boyfriend or husband. I mean seriously, you've never even met me! No explanation needed.

7. Don't give an escort counterfeit money! Happened to me Friday.

8. If your going to have a lengthy conversation with an escort that requires long paragraphs, don't text, call instead. Actually if you can make a phone call, choose the call over text. No escort has the finger stamina and endurance to text over 10 guys at once for hours on end. I know, I know, you have to text, because you are at work, in a work meeting or your wife's in the room. I didn't realize that texting a hooker during work was allowed in your workplace. LOL. Your boss must be very open minded!

9. Don't call an escort asking for free phone sex. She doesn't believe you when you tell her you're going to make a real appointment and pay her $600 if she does phone sex just this once. We see right through you!

10. No sexting. When you want to make a appointment and you have to text, make it short. Don't go on and on with "So what are you going to do with me when we meet? What next? Tell me what you like to do sexually? What are you the best at? What are you going to wear for me? What are you wearing now?.

11. If you make an appointment Friday for Monday, don't text all day Friday, Saturday and Sunday to chat, especially if we are working during those hours.

12. When you text an escort, don't just text "hi. " and when she asks what you want, don't respond with "hi. " again. The best texts are to the point.

13. When you arrive at the my incall, it's not the proper time to negotiate the rate down. If it was agreed ahead of time that I'd see you for $100 for half an hour don't come with $50 and expect me to see you. If I decline to see you for half price, don't try to talk me into seeing you and please, please, please if I won't discount the agreed rate further, don't pull your pants down and masturbate in front of me! This happened to me yesterday.

14. Please don't ask me to do a threesome with you and your mother. Also don't request an appointment that involves you smelling my poop on a plate while I watch or put it in a doggy bag for you to take home with you, that is unless you want me to actually see you! You'd have a better chance calling someone from the fetish section.

15. Don't call an escort asking for a massage / body rub for body rub prices. Maybe this will work for some, but there is a body rub section you can call providers on.

16, If a provider lists her age as 41, don't assume she's 21. This happened to me today!

17. When you make an appointment at say 7, don't show up at 8 and tell me that you went to the Holiday Inn or RT 9, when I texted you that I was at the Marriott on Main Street! Also if you can't find my room don't go to the front desk asking where my room number is located.

18. When you come to my residence and I tell you not to talk until we are in my apt. It doesn't mean I don't mind if you whisper or say hello when I open the door. I'm trying to be discreet so the neighbors don't notice what's going on.

19. Be sure you own a gps, have one on your phone or at least mapquest my location.

20. When I instruct you to go to the porch on the left side of the house, don't go to the right side or wander around in the back where the parking lot is.

Despite everything I still love escorting, but did I mention I had a tough weekend? LOL.[/QUOTE]This made my weekend I laughed so hard. Well said honey.

Stay Safe.

Kisses,

ALA.