Arbitrage, gents, arbitrage
[QUOTE=Unassuming2018;5342445]Gift Wishlists are great to find more info on a POT. .... I found the exact same necklace on a wishlist via Amazon. I paid 9 bucks for the necklace, the one on her wishlist was around 350 if I remember. I put the necklace in a nice box (it came in a small zip-loc baggie). Gave it to her and of course she didn't know any better. She thought it was thoughtful and that I had spent big, she happily gave up backdoor access that night. It cost me 9 bucks, free shipping, LOL.
When used wisely, wishlists are great. I actually prefer profiles with them due to the intel you can get from them and the benefits when done right.[/QUOTE]Most of these women don't know how to shop for value -- hence them being on this site. Plus, you'd be surprised how cheap some things really are or how inexpensive their tastes really are. I've had them make amazon wish lists, and they pick out dresses and shoes under $50.
Leave No Trace Sugar Bowling
[QUOTE=MoCheeks65;5347364]I have been on and off SA for the past 3 years.
Want to jump back in but my personal situation now requires me to be super careful and "lean no trace" behind.
I sued to simply punch in my own CC, can't do that anymore.
How do others handle this. Stopped at Walgreens and the number of prepaid cc was overwhelming. No idea what to get or how it works?
Thanks in advance for your help on this.[/QUOTE]What you will need is a prepaid Vanilla Visa Card. There is a picture of one posted by FarFarAway several pages (3+?) back. Remember there maybe a 5. 95 usage or signup fee so buy a bit more than the SA price. That will get you on SA.
However, if you want MAX privacy do the following:
1. Get a burner phone. Usually can find a cheap "smart" phone for $30 in the drug stores or Wally World. Renewal 35-50 depending on plan. You will have to buy a renewal 'card" each month, mix up where you buy that. PAY CASH. Use a fake name AND a real address. Select an address of a HUGE local Apt Complex, leave off the Apt #. Don't give a business address.
2. Sign up for and use a VOIP App for all of your sugar communications! Google Voice, TextNow, etc (read down there is a number of posts on these apps) Layer that on your burner phone NOT on your regular phone. There is often "leakage" with apps and you don't want that to happen if SO is around or borrowing your phone. Level 1 danger "happens" you can block the girl on the App. Level 3 danger and you block her AND toss the phone in the nearest body of water and start over.
3. Sign up for a burner email account. Some use the encrypted or hidden email accounts: Hushmail, proton, etc. You need a REAL phone number (burner number) to sign up with Gmail and Yahoo mail.
4. Sign up for SA using the Vanilla prepaid card. Use the above info to do so.
5. As OP have pointed out, use a "stage" name when talking with girls. Reveal little personal info. Don't tell them where you work, use competitor company if you must say something.
6. Pay cash for everything associated with the Bowl: hotels, gifts, food, etc. For goodness sake, don't keep receipts for any of it! Some guys get the girl to put the room on their CC and give them the cash for it.
7. If the girl is ever in your ride, stop at a convenience store on the way home and give your car a thorough search. Under the seats, between seats, under mats, in door pockets. Look anywhere a bobble earring might fall into or drugs might get stashed.
8. Wrap up used condoms and take them with you. Don't leave them in hotel, you can toss them in the trash when you stop to check your car.
That should help you transition to leaving little if any trace for a SO to find.
Good luck!
Physical Evidence and Scammers
[QUOTE=Shampoo55;5350419]What you will need is a prepaid Vanilla Visa Card. There is a picture of one posted by FarFarAway several pages (3+?) back. Remember there maybe a 5. 95 usage or signup fee so buy a bit more than the SA price. That will get you on SA.
However, if you want MAX privacy do the following:
*snip*
[/QUOTE]Really great advice especially in relation to current tech and resources.
But I would just caution you can have an anonymous burner phone with a two layer VPN attached to a fake I'd, but if you leave your burner phone in a jacket pocket, then all that subterfuge is completely useless and in some cases exasperates the situation further. This is why I try to reduce as many "foreign objects" as possible. The advantages of a burner phone is that you can really leave "no trace" with it from a records / digital standpoint whereas something like Google Voice is a like parasitic fungus relentlessly trying to find and integrate itself into your personal data until you can no longer separate it cleanly. But I classify a burner as a "foreign object" that will raise alarms on sight. Your SO wouldn't even need the pin to unlock the phone, it's very presence is like her finding a hairbrush with strands of long wavy red hair. There's no clean explanation for it. Same thing with Vanilla VISA cards. They're not as incriminating as a burner phone, but it's a foreign object.
So I think it's important to strike a balance between subterfuge to conceal a paper trail between leaving foreign objects around. Because 8 times out of 10, guys get busted for leaving the "tape in the VCR". This is also why I recommend using the technique of "hiding in plain sight" for some things. This gives you some margin of error and you can see ahead of time if someone is getting too close to the cookie jar. For example, if you're going to use Vanilla Visa cards, start using them in your everyday life with your SO. Find some excuse to use prepaid cards like for budgeting or identify theft reasons. This way if you leave your sugar prepaid card lying around, your SO won't bat an eye because she thinks it's the same one you use for DoorDash. So I think it's important to strike a balance in techniques and always err on the side of reducing foreign objects.
BTW, having a sugar baby in your car is always risky. Her scent, her leaving hair ties, and etc. Having a SB in your car is like a spore for foreign objects. But if you're going to do it, make sure no one goes into or uses your car for 24 hours if it can be helped. You should examine your car in full daylight and drive it some for foreign objects to be dislodged from hidden places and to have the windows down to help get rid of strong odors. So right after you drop of your SB, you should do a deep cleaning of your car, and then 12-18 hours later do another cleaning in bright conditions to make sure you got everything. But for God's sake don't let your SO in your car within just a few hours of driving your SB around town and having backseat sex.
[B]Scammers[/B]
Briefly about the college time waster from Germany. I hate to break it to you, but she's fake. Or at the very least not in San Diego. Those SA geolocation things are pretty accurate and they're for your benefit. But let's say her location says "United States" and yet something still feels off. I usually do something like this to see if she really does live in my area. I'll say some of the following:
"Wow, crazy weather we had yesterday, right?
*If she claims to live in downtown*.
"What do you think of *popular downtown restaurant*.
*After you ask her for her favorite foods*.
"What are some of the good places that serve that dish?
"Have you been to a San Diego 49 ers game before?
Of course a diligent person could lookup and research the answers for all of these. But 9 times out of 10, scammers are lazy. If they can't answer something, they'll just give a vague answer or deflect. One or two vague answers can be normal, but if the person you're chatting with consistently gives you vague, wrong, or non-answers to questions related to the local area or meeting up in person, then chances are high she doesn't actually live in the area.
I also like college girls that haven't become "pro-sugar babies" yet. They can sometimes require a little more massaging and patience but once it gets going the arrangement can feel more natural. That said, if a girl is actually serious about pursing an arrangement, they are usually eager to meet within a week of chatting. Sometimes schedule conflicts may push it by a couple of weeks. But if you've been chatting for over a week and there hasn't been any talk of meeting and person, then it's a waste of time. Most legit girls in a local area, want to meet right away. If they don't want to meet it's either because they don't live in the area, they want an online-only arrangement, they're not serious / ready for an arrangement, or they already have a sugar daddy and they're setting you as a backup.
My current sugar baby is a college girl who was completely new to arrangements and we met within 3 days of chatting. And we've been seeing each other for 6 months now. Remember if a girl is actually in college and if she's attractive, she's constantly meeting and hanging with people all the time. College girls aren't shy about meeting new people And she shouldn't be overly shy / reluctant to meet with you unless you're literally inviting her to your dungeon on the first date.
10 Years in The Bowl. Some things have Changed, Some things remain the Same
I just spent the last hour or so reading all my posts and others in the Sugar Daddy highlights and index thread. Many of those posts are from 6-10 years ago. Surprisingly a lot of the advice is still relevant today, but there are also some changes. Here are just a few of my random thoughts on the things that have changed and the things that have remained the same.
[B]Things that are the Same[/B]
- Surprisingly I would say we're still in the Golden Age of the Bowl. I thought the Golden Age would run for about 4-5 years in the early 2010's, but if anything arrangements have become more widespread and common place among college-aged girls. Yes there are a few more scams you got to dodge and the average allowance has probably gone up a bit. I don't dare offer a girl a 100 ppm anymore if she looks anything above a 6. Even back in the day it was a bit tough but sometimes you could nab a good-looking short-term SB for that amount. However nowadays at least in SoCal that amount is a complete non-starter 90% of the time. So there's been a little bit of inflation but the pool of girls is much larger now. So maybe 8-9 years ago I was able to get more girls at a lower allowance, but over the last 3 years I've definitely had hotter women because of the larger pool. A "cheap" allowance won't get you far anymore, but I've gotten a lot of mileage from "mid-range" allowances.
- It's still important to pace yourself and keep your stable a manageable size based off your given situation. So all the advice over the years about how to manage your sugar babies, all still super relevant today.
[B]Things that that have Changed[/B]
- It's gotten harder to do recon on a Pot. Before when I asked to exchange an email or a phone number with a SB, I could just plug that into Facebook and I would get her real name, location, friends, aditional photos, and see how crazy or normal she was. But now most 20-something girls don't use Facebook and FB disabled the email / phone lookup option for obvious privacy reasons. Some girls will share their Instagram, but that doesn't necessarily "unmask" them like the old Facebook page used to. Not everyone uses their real name with Instagram and there's no age or location data like FB. So it's definitely become harder for me to do research on a SB Pot. Once I actually start seeing a SB, it usually takes me several weeks to slowly figure out who she really is. There's some I never completely figured out. I would love to hear how guys do research on pots nowadays.
- Venmo, Cash App, Zelle, and etc. Ugh. Girls love these but it's definitely increased the amount of girls doing "Tips for Pix" and "Send me gas money to travel to you" scams. Even in a regular arrangement, it encourages girls to hit you up for money constantly without seeing you. At the beginning of every arrangement I nix those at the bud. I tell them it's too insecure for me to use those instant app transactions, which is partially true. I'll tell them I'll give cash at the beginning and then give them a reloadable prepaid card when I feel the arrangement is ready.
- I know there's been some good advice about "leaving no trace" but if you have a long-term sugar baby I've found it's pretty much impossible to obscure your identify after awhile in this day and age. So many things and places just don't really use cash anymore, almost everything is digital and at some point your real name is probably going to show up on something if you take your SB out on dates to places. I don't need to be as discreet as I used to be, but I still have to be careful. Yet I've basically decided if I'm seeing a SB for more than a month or two, I know her real name, she's not too inquisitive, and she's not a psycho, then I usually tell her some very basic info about me. Just saves a lot of headaches. I rather focus my concealment tactics on the homefront. It just feels like swimming upstream in this digital age trying to conceal everything about yourself to a SB. But I"m sure some here will disagree and that's fine.
There's more but I'm curious to hear what others see as things that have changed and things that have stayed the same over the years.
Perennial payment question on SA
I recently posted a photo of a OneVanilla card, one of the most reliable prepaid debit cards to pay for a SA membership without giving up personal info or risking a charge showing up on a statement a SO would see. I needed a prepaid for an upcoming trip to a major city where I am trying to book in advance several 'road babies' (RBs). I went back to my usual pharmacy, and I no longer see OneVanilla cards. I have heard this also from some SDs I am in touch with off this site.
In their place is a new card. It looks somewhat like the old OneVanilla, in that it has a vertical window in the packaging. Essentially none of the other prepaids in the rack are presented that way. However, rather than being called OneVanilla, this one is SecureSpend. The website to look them up is also based on that name. So, the question is, will this card do what the old OneVanilla would do, be taken by SA? I hope someone will TOFTT and post about it. I have just spent a month active on each of my profiles, I have enough POTs at home and on the road to last me for a while. I did intend to get a card that I would eventually be able to use on SA, just in case I didn't spend these funds on my trip.
In CA at this time, there are more than a few businesses that aren't taking cash at all. You must use a card, or other electronic payment. I have been relying on the girl to do it and then giving her cash to cover, but not my preferred dynamic.
Other reason to be careful
I'm not married, so don't worry like most of the married men here. There are other reasons to keep your name and information hidden. I just drop a 20 years old Sugar, because I was bored of her. I also have too much on my plate, and she was just hard to schedule a date with. 5 days later she tells me that her period hasn't come. Told her to get a home test at CVS. It's been 3 days and no word back, so I'm probably ok. Only BC we were using was Plan B, because she didn't want to use the pill. I always bought Plan B and made sure she took it before she left. I only interact with her on my burner or snapchat. She never seen my car, and I always hidden my wallet or leave it in my car during dates. She doesn't know my real name, but I have her real name because she has her student Id under her clear phone case. I will be keeping up with her social media for a few months to see if there is a belly. If she pregnant Plan B fail me twice this year already. Had to pay for my long time 22 years old SB to take care of it. She doesn't like the pill either. She got a IUD after she took care of it. I don't mind paying for the girls to take care of it, but I'm worried about the ones who will keep it.
Love being their Sugar Daddy, but don't want to be their Baby Daddy.
[QUOTE=ErnestLl;5362441]Mutually Assured Destruction.
If they have a respectable job or show signs of being close with Family, chances are they aren't going to blow up your life when you eventually dump them or forget to untie them till the next morning.
I'd always rather meet someone I've vetted as real, and most girls these days don't really worry much about OpSec, only because they don't realize there are guys who will use that info against them.[/QUOTE]
