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[QUOTE=JRogue;5951032]These girls know how tough things are here with the shortage of quality providers. And they intend to take full advantage of the situation-at our expense.[/QUOTE]It's not their fault at all. They have always tried to get the most. We never let them so they had to keep the prices down and the quality up. Blame your fellow mongers. Blame the stupid mongers who pay these rates. Blame the dumb mongers who will pay a lot for some girl to flash a boob and maybe get a covered HJ and he walks always thinking he did good.

There aren't less quality girls out there who are hooked on drugs and need money. There are just less quality girls out there now who have to do actual meet ups. That's not their fault. It is the monger next to you who will pay a monthly fee to be a member of their OF page. It is the idiot who buys content when there are millions of free movies and pics online. It's the dummies who fall for scams. With all that why should a girl do meetups anymore at a competitive rate?

It's not like we couldn't change this in a very short time. If every monger stood their ground at the same time for just a week or even a few days things would change. It isn't like paying high rates for something you need like gas or food or housing that you have little to no control over. These are basically hookers. You can wait them out yet don't. These girls are all addicts and need money. They need you more than you need them. But too many guys don't know how to think with the big head so expect this to continue.

Women have always had the power. But that is the real women. Working girls never had that type of power. They were the lowest of the low. But this new generation of "men" have elevated them. It's why we have what we have now. I hear a lot of complaining about them yet few complain about the real cause of the problem, that fellow monger next to you.

[QUOTE=TailGunner1;5952269]It's not their fault at all. They have always tried to get the most. We never let them so they had to keep the prices down and the quality up. Blame your fellow mongers. Blame the stupid mongers who pay these rates. Blame the dumb mongers who will pay a lot for some girl to flash a boob and maybe get a covered HJ and he walks always thinking he did good.

There aren't less quality girls out there who are hooked on drugs and need money. There are just less quality girls out there now who have to do actual meet ups. That's not their fault. It is the monger next to you who will pay a monthly fee to be a member of their OF page. It is the idiot who buys content when there are millions of free movies and pics online. It's the dummies who fall for scams. With all that why should a girl do meetups anymore at a competitive rate?

It's not like we couldn't change this in a very short time. If every monger stood their ground at the same time for just a week or even a few days things would change. It isn't like paying high rates for something you need like gas or food or housing that you have little to no control over. These are basically hookers. You can wait them out yet don't. These girls are all addicts and need money. They need you more than you need them. But too many guys don't know how to think with the big head so expect this to continue.

Women have always had the power. But that is the real women. Working girls never had that type of power. They were the lowest of the low. But this new generation of "men" have elevated them. It's why we have what we have now. I hear a lot of complaining about them yet few complain about the real cause of the problem, that fellow monger next to you.[/QUOTE]You make a number of good points, but don't think you can generalize with such a complex situation. Markets are supply and demand, which BTW varies a lot by type of woman one talking about. Also, got to realize lots of guys don't realize these boards exist or just don't read them, and simply reply to ads or whatever.

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Can anyone recommend anyone up in / around Kingston?

[QUOTE=TailGunner1;5952269]It's not their fault at all. They have always tried to get the most. We never let them so they had to keep the prices down and the quality up. Blame your fellow mongers. Blame the stupid mongers who pay these rates. Blame the dumb mongers who will pay a lot for some girl to flash a boob and maybe get a covered HJ and he walks always thinking he did good.

There aren't less quality girls out there who are hooked on drugs and need money. There are just less quality girls out there now who have to do actual meet ups. That's not their fault. It is the monger next to you who will pay a monthly fee to be a member of their OF page. It is the idiot who buys content when there are millions of free movies and pics online. It's the dummies who fall for scams. With all that why should a girl do meetups anymore at a competitive rate?

It's not like we couldn't change this in a very short time. If every monger stood their ground at the same time for just a week or even a few days things would change. It isn't like paying high rates for something you need like gas or food or housing that you have little to no control over. These are basically hookers. You can wait them out yet don't. These girls are all addicts and need money. They need you more than you need them. But too many guys don't know how to think with the big head so expect this to continue.

Women have always had the power. But that is the real women. Working girls never had that type of power. They were the lowest of the low. But this new generation of "men" have elevated them. It's why we have what we have now. I hear a lot of complaining about them yet few complain about the real cause of the problem, that fellow monger next to you.[/QUOTE]I have a lot of family financial obligations which make being frugal a necessity.

I could never afford to pay monthly fees for OF or any other page or subscription, I can't pay for online content and settle for whatever is free. I'm too damned suspicious to fall for a scam. And I'd never pay more than I think is reasonable for a date. I don't have a problem passing on someone charging more that I'm willing to pay. Overpaying a hooker could mean that my life essentials don't get paid. Unacceptable. Can't do it-won't do it. I don't want or need it bad enough to neglect my responsibilities.

But then, I look at the hobby as something I do for fun every so often. I'm not invested in it. For some guys, this is neither a hobby or a game-it's a lifestyle. Those are the ones who may tend to overpay without thinking twice about it. What I consider fun and games and a mere "once in a while" temporary distraction is serious business for some other guys.

[QUOTE=Green677;5952889]Can anyone recommend anyone up in / around Kingston?[/QUOTE]You might want to check out the Hudson Valley section of the forums. The guys there will be happy to help you.

Good luck.

[QUOTE=JRogue;5953017]I have a lot of family financial obligations which make being frugal a necessity.

I could never afford to pay monthly fees for OF or any other page or subscription, I can't pay for online content and settle for whatever is free. I'm too damned suspicious to fall for a scam. And I'd never pay more than I think is reasonable for a date. I don't have a problem passing on someone charging more that I'm willing to pay. Overpaying a hooker could mean that my life essentials don't get paid. Unacceptable. Can't do it-won't do it. I don't want or need it bad enough to neglect my responsibilities.

But then, I look at the hobby as something I do for fun every so often. I'm not invested in it. For some guys, this is neither a hobby or a game-it's a lifestyle. Those are the ones who may tend to overpay without thinking twice about it. What I consider fun and games and a mere "once in a while" temporary distraction is serious business for some other guys.[/QUOTE]My brother, I know you aren't the one ruining the hobby. You are a perfect example of the guy whose fun is being ruined by the stupid mongers amongst us.

[QUOTE=TailGunner1;5953216]My brother, I know you aren't the one ruining the hobby. You are a perfect example of the guy whose fun is being ruined by the stupid mongers amongst us.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't go so far as to call them stupid. But there is one thing I am certain of. The hobby (in my opinion) should be no more than a recreational activity-fun and games.

And some of them are taking it entirely too seriously, as though it were life and death.

[QUOTE=Tomb8871;5952480]You make a number of good points, but don't think you can generalize with such a complex situation. Markets are supply and demand, which BTW varies a lot by type of woman one talking about. Also, got to realize lots of guys don't realize these boards exist or just don't read them, and simply reply to ads or whatever.[/QUOTE]I think I pretty much explained exactly why things are the way they are. I don't think I missed anything. I am generally speaking about skip the games girls. That's my zone with the occasional jump into the higher end girls from time to time that just don't play at the stg level. I assume most mongers are like me. But the same applies to the current situation with Eros girls and even streetwalkers. Everything is out of wack because of the stupid mongers amongst us. The dummies are driving it all up and then complain about it. A lot of guys just need to have self control. Don't pay 200 or more for a half with a girl who looks like little more than a streetwalker.

This is very easily fixed if enough people got on board. But they won't. Not these days. They will continue with their stupidity and wonder why things are the way they are.

All that needs to be done is to hit every site like this and say starting on such and such a date this is the max we will pay for whatever with whatever type girl in the Albany area. True not every monger is on a site but I believe enough are to make it work. They did it in NJ 6 or 7 years ago and girls were falling over themselves providing better service for lower rates. This actually happened so it could happen again. But I think the new beta men mongers think this is the norm and some of the vets are so hard up they will miss a mortgage payment to get shitty service.

I don't know what else to say. It isn't the girls fault. It is the mongers. Not all, but enough of them.

I don't play in this area. But why don't those of you who do try what I said NJ did years ago that worked. You have nothing to lose.

Anyone with any info. Nothing in search.

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[QUOTE=TailGunner1;5953229]I think I pretty much explained exactly why things are the way they are. I don't think I missed anything. I am generally speaking about skip the games girls. That's my zone with the occasional jump into the higher end girls from time to time that just don't play at the stg level. I assume most mongers are like me. But the same applies to the current situation with Eros girls and even streetwalkers. Everything is out of wack because of the stupid mongers amongst us. The dummies are driving it all up and then complain about it. A lot of guys just need to have self control. Don't pay 200 or more for a half with a girl who looks like little more than a streetwalker.

This is very easily fixed if enough people got on board. But they won't. Not these days. They will continue with their stupidity and wonder why things are the way they are.

All that needs to be done is to hit every site like this and say starting on such and such a date this is the max we will pay for whatever with whatever type girl in the Albany area. True not every monger is on a site but I believe enough are to make it work. They did it in NJ 6 or 7 years ago and girls were falling over themselves providing better service for lower rates. This actually happened so it could happen again. But I think the new beta men mongers think this is the norm and some of the vets are so hard up they will miss a mortgage payment to get shitty service.

I don't know what else to say. It isn't the girls fault. It is the mongers. Not all, but enough of them.

I don't play in this area. But why don't those of you who do try what I said NJ did years ago that worked. You have nothing to lose.[/QUOTE]These days, you've got a ton of mongers on SA, who pay way more than anyone would dream of paying an average stg hook. The reality is, however, a lot of these SA chicks are barely better than the average hook. In fact, many SA chicks advertise on stg or other hook sites as well. Good luck trying to reign in those sugar prices.

FOSTA, signed into law by Trump, dramatically changed the game, reduced the supply of non-train wreck providers, and increased price structure. When BP and CL were shut down, how women advertise and how they break into the business changed. All of the non-addicted, non-thieving, stable women who got into the game for extra money or money doing something the liked (names like Destiny, Autumn Bolen, etc.) seemed to disappear or may be now on sites like Tryst (where everyone has glamour shots and the prices are much higher) or SA / SB where there is too much time involved for many of us. COVID and OF made things worse. But I read that the money women are making on OF is tanking. So that might change things some.

In short, I think the problem is a lack of supply of rational stable providers.

[QUOTE=WarrenAJeffers;5953431]These days, you've got a ton of mongers on SA, who pay way more than anyone would dream of paying an average stg hook. The reality is, however, a lot of these SA chicks are barely better than the average hook. In fact, many SA chicks advertise on stg or other hook sites as well. Good luck trying to reign in those sugar prices.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SouthGate18;5953496]FOSTA, signed into law by Trump, dramatically changed the game, reduced the supply of non-train wreck providers, and increased price structure. When BP and CL were shut down, how women advertise and how they break into the business changed. All of the non-addicted, non-thieving, stable women who got into the game for extra money or money doing something the liked (names like Destiny, Autumn Bolen, etc.) seemed to disappear or may be now on sites like Tryst (where everyone has glamour shots and the prices are much higher) or SA / SB where there is too much time involved for many of us. COVID and OF made things worse. But I read that the money women are making on OF is tanking. So that might change things some.

In short, I think the problem is a lack of supply of rational stable providers.[/QUOTE]I have ranted on this countless times. I used to be the Craigslist king when they had personals. You would fuck quality chicks half the time for free, half the time for pennies. It was an avenue into the market, not a hooker site, that allowed normal people to post at their own will. Everybody knew craigslist. Women would look, they would post, men would post and hint. It was the perfect avenue for the normal person.

Nowadays there is no avenue for the normal person. At all. Skip the games isn't a known site beyond hookers and the people who get them hooked on hooking. If you asked 100 normal people nobody would know what it is. There is no entrance for the normal person anymore.

I wholeheartedly disagree re SA. I have paid on average 300 for meets 1) without time limits, 2) without many sexual limits, and 3) with some straight 9/10, 10/10, 8/10 girls ranging in age from 18 to 42. A majority of them absolute smoke shows and fantastic in the bedroom. I have only run into a few STG posters and it's obvious. Most of them are legitimate UTR type girls or very new. It has not been a waste of money and the quality on there far exceeds the STG junkies. You just need to have 2 brain cells to figure out how to use SA correctly and weed out girls, read between lines, etc. A lot of guys who fail on SA want to treat it like STG and send "rates?" as their first message or some shit. Don't openly treat them like hookers and it is 100% gold.

[QUOTE=WarrenAJeffers;5953431]These days, you've got a ton of mongers on SA, who pay way more than anyone would dream of paying an average stg hook. The reality is, however, a lot of these SA chicks are barely better than the average hook. In fact, many SA chicks advertise on stg or other hook sites as well. Good luck trying to reign in those sugar prices.[/QUOTE]Everything is out of wack. In NJ, the Trenton and Camden streetwalkers figured out that if they can hold onto a phone they can advertise on STG and get escort rates. Some even started getting rooms and host. And guys are paying a premium for these girls. I have never seen a SW. I just don't like their look. But I realize plenty of guys do and for some that is all they can afford. Now those guys have been priced out of their thing.

It's a mess out there brothers, it's a mess. I have a few UTRs to scrape by but we all get bored and want new blood. Very hard to come by now.

[QUOTE=SouthGate18;5953496]FOSTA, signed into law by Trump, dramatically changed the game, reduced the supply of non-train wreck providers, and increased price structure. When BP and CL were shut down, how women advertise and how they break into the business changed. All of the non-addicted, non-thieving, stable women who got into the game for extra money or money doing something the liked (names like Destiny, Autumn Bolen, etc.) seemed to disappear or may be now on sites like Tryst (where everyone has glamour shots and the prices are much higher) or SA / SB where there is too much time involved for many of us. COVID and OF made things worse. But I read that the money women are making on OF is tanking. So that might change things some.

In short, I think the problem is a lack of supply of rational stable providers.[/QUOTE]You're right. I remember when BP was shut down everything was in disarray for a bit. STG then became a thing and for awhile things did go back to the way they were for a year or two. However some good reliable girls did re emerge with higher prices and then moved to Tryst and more than doubled their rates. Many of those have now gone to working just off Twitter and who knows what they charge.

I still blame the mongers for paying.