"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=Shampoo55;5300082]So I am lost, how does one send a girl money anomously? Paypal, CashApp, etc all link back to you as a real person, no? Sure would not want personal info out there is girl gets mad at some point or decides to blackmail, etc.[/QUOTE]You can create a cash app account using any name you want, but if you want to send more than a few hundred in a single day, you have to provide CashApp with your real name and some identifying info. Does this then show up in your sending info when you give someone $$? I haven't got a clue, but don't want to risk finding out -- though I suppose two of us can give it a try to find out!

Paypal asks for you to verify your info if you want to keep $$ in your PayPal account to spend or send to someone else. You can keep it under a fake name and just transfer the money to a bank account.

It seems that since these apps have gotten into lending and credit cards etc, they are falling under FDIC and other banking regulations, and anti-money laundering requirements means they have to know the names and info of anyone they hold money for -- or something to that effect.

[QUOTE=Shampoo55;5300082]So I am lost, how does one send a girl money anomously? Paypal, CashApp, etc all link back to you as a real person, no? Sure would not want personal info out there is girl gets mad at some point or decides to blackmail, etc.[/QUOTE]Cash App. With Cash App, you can send and receive money anonymously – however, without identity verification, you will only be able to spend $250 per day. The great thing about this app is that you can create unique usernames to send and receive payments.

I have had some luck on SA this time around. I've met 2 girls straight to the FC but I don't have permission to share their info. At least not yet. I have also done an M&G with 2 for no money up front and am still texting them but haven't set anything up yet.

But those aren't even 1% of the ones I have messaged. Most never respond, are fake, just want to text endlessly but not meet, want a deposit, have GPS, want online only, aren't interested in intimacy (but don't say that in their profile), etc.

Here is some intel on a few of those. Might save you some bother if you are looking to actually meet and get naked.

Wants 500 ppm:

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/7526e46b-a47b-445a-9dc9-d4bab72946f9[/URL]

Wants platonic only:

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/ab7485fe-b3a9-42be-befb-c7496ac3399c[/URL]

Wants a deposit upfront:

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/86347f37-92c2-4823-9795-924f178a0112[/URL]

Wants 500 ppm:

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/af068ba3-74a0-43a6-b5d1-0a2e47417539[/URL]

Wants 150 just for M&G:

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/753009a1-382a-4a89-9195-4e45963f340d[/URL]

Wants online before meeting (always a scam):

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/476f2c9e-c2e8-4554-b92d-c9a312765026[/URL]

Currently in the UK but supposed to be back end of the month. Hasn't asked for money upfront but I feel like it's coming:

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/c7218529-5fc3-4f47-95af-86c5c7c7bc76[/URL]

Wants platonic only:

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/d7489af4-6ad1-4644-a4cd-d07664e5150b[/URL]

Is Trans (if the pics don't tip you off) but doesn't say that in her profile. (I know her IRL from work):

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/a0be09b3-524b-833a-3668-9f0f2b7909ec[/URL]

Not looking to meet in person:

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/35cfee03-b5b4-41cc-9184-93b4a8247616[/URL]

Wants platonic only:

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/messages/inbox/f6299ee4-4976-4a46-9a96-91b39cdff2ab[/URL]

Wants platonic only:

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/f15a83f5-d24e-4a53-881b-7f12bbebbddd[/URL]

Won't meet bc of Covid:

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/9ee02143-a7b9-45ef-9af2-249fd9f368dc[/URL]

Wants $2 K per month:

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/4b7318a8-31a6-4977-8044-7f67a53f88be[/URL]

Have fun and be safe!

So, in my sugar GV inbox shows up an advert for this site. I logged in and established an account today. It is free. It has almost exactly the same look and feel as SA. I searched in my area, and saw a photo of a girl I have messaged on SA before. So, it isn't totally fake. I was logging in via Tor, for safety. I tried to send a message and got a database error. I thought it might be because of the browser. I went to a regular browser on my computer, and when I entered the URL, I got a message that this wasn't a secure site and it might be spoofing me to get personal information. (this is even though the URL began https:

Anyone else have opinions / experience?

[QUOTE=Jcn1965;5300192]Cash App. With Cash App, you can send and receive money anonymously however, without identity verification, you will only be able to spend $250 per day. The great thing about this app is that you can create unique usernames to send and receive payments.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BobLobLa;5300089]You can create a cash app account using any name you want, but if you want to send more than a few hundred in a single day, you have to provide CashApp with your real name and some identifying info. Does this then show up in your sending info when you give someone $$? I haven't got a clue, but don't want to risk finding out -- though I suppose two of us can give it a try to find out!

Paypal asks for you to verify your info if you want to keep $$ in your PayPal account to spend or send to someone else. You can keep it under a fake name and just transfer the money to a bank account.

It seems that since these apps have gotten into lending and credit cards etc, they are falling under FDIC and other banking regulations, and anti-money laundering requirements means they have to know the names and info of anyone they hold money for -- or something to that effect.[/QUOTE]How do you get money into an APP if not from a traceable account? I dunno, after seeing a few things out there, I;m also concerned about tracks others can follow.

Since there are anti-money laundering regs out there, how is one anonymous through the apps? Don't you have to be linked to a real bank account (verified) or provide a real person phone number, not a burner number? What am I missing?

[QUOTE=Shampoo55;5301671]How do you get money into an APP if not from a traceable account? I dunno, after seeing a few things out there, I;m also concerned about tracks others can follow.

Since there are anti-money laundering regs out there, how is one anonymous through the apps? Don't you have to be linked to a real bank account (verified) or provide a real person phone number, not a burner number? What am I missing?[/QUOTE]I am totally with you, brother. I also don't really know how to do this. I long long ago set up a PayPal in my sugar name, not linked to a bank account. I was at one point able to send room $ to my ongoing SB by buying a prepaid debit card, attaching it to that PayPal account, and sending $ to her email. I am not sure that trick will work anymore.

Also, some of you may be following the Gaetz fiasco. Evidently, Gaetz sent his buddy $900 by Venmo. The buddy paid off 3 girls, $300 each with the legends 'tuition', 'school', and 'school'. The amazing thing. Not only is Venmo fully identifiable to these guys, Gaetz's Venmo account for some reason is publicly available (I guess on social media or something). These guys are just as dumb as dirt. Venmo is only funded so far as I am aware from a bank account, which of course must be a real name, verified, for money laundering reasons. I recently got CashApp on my phone to hold some bitcoin, and again, it had to be funded from a bank account known to be me.

[QUOTE=Shampoo55;5301671]How do you get money into an APP if not from a traceable account? I dunno, after seeing a few things out there, I;m also concerned about tracks others can follow.

Since there are anti-money laundering regs out there, how is one anonymous through the apps? Don't you have to be linked to a real bank account (verified) or provide a real person phone number, not a burner number? What am I missing?[/QUOTE]There's this thing, it's fantastic. Its called "Google": how to add money to cash app card at Walgreens.

[QUOTE=Tidad;5302197]There's this thing, it's fantastic. Its called "Google": how to add money to cash app card at Walgreens.[/QUOTE]When you say traceable you mean the feds? People you are sending money to only see the name you use like captain America or dirk diggler. Cashapp will not share your info with anybody your sending money to no matter what. So I'm not sure who you are hiding from because the providers or SB have no way of tracing that back to you.

[QUOTE=Tidad;5302197]There's this thing, it's fantastic. Its called "Google": how to add money to cash app card at Walgreens.[/QUOTE]So, I did google, and got this page:

[URL]https://www.cardrates.com/advice/do-prepaid-cards-work-on-cash-app/[/URL]

Just in case that link doesn't work, here is what it says:

According to the list of supported cards for Cash App, most government-enabled prepaid cards are accepted, as well as all debit and credit cards from Visa, Mastercard, American Express, and Discover. However, you can only send money to someone using a government-enabled prepaid card — you cannot deposit money from Cash App to your card.

This specific type of prepaid card is used for unemployment benefits, economic relief payments, and other government-issued payments. So, a prepaid card you pick up in-store or online will not work on Cash App — only those that are mailed to you from the government.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;5302488]So, I did google, and got this page:

[URL]https://www.cardrates.com/advice/do-prepaid-cards-work-on-cash-app/[/URL]

Just in case that link doesn't work, here is what it says:

According to the list of supported cards for Cash App, most government-enabled prepaid cards are accepted, as well as all debit and credit cards from Visa, Mastercard, American Express, and Discover. However, you can only send money to someone using a government-enabled prepaid card you cannot deposit money from Cash App to your card.

This specific type of prepaid card is used for unemployment benefits, economic relief payments, and other government-issued payments. So, a prepaid card you pick up in-store or online will not work on Cash App only those that are mailed to you from the government.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.squarecashelps.com/blog/how-to-add-money-to-cash-app-card-at-walgreens[/URL]

[QUOTE=Jcn1965;5302223]People you are sending money to only see the name you use like captain America or dirk diggler. Cashapp will not share your info with anybody your sending money to no matter what. So I'm not sure who you are hiding from because the providers or SB have no way of tracing that back to you.[/QUOTE]I was nervous about verifying my identity to cAshApp because I didn't know if doing so would override my nom de sucre that the recipient sees.

[QUOTE=Shampoo55;5301671]How do you get money into an APP if not from a traceable account? I dunno, after seeing a few things out there, I;m also concerned about tracks others can follow.[/QUOTE]Nothing is untraceable these days. Even going to Walgreens or Walmart and putting cash into an account has you on security camera with a time stamp that could be linked to a transaction time stamp if the cops are looking for suspects in the latest episode of "who offed the CoEd Sugar Baby".

What is of primary concern is if the person I am sending money too can get identifying info from the App transaction, and it appears the answer is NO, which lessons the impact of any BSC attacks.

I use a bank account for my business that was supposed to be closed years ago, and my SO doesn't see any of my business transactions, but I avoid using my primary account in case she ever asks or to avoid explaining stuff to my accountant. I put money into my back up business checking account and link all my apps through there. Yes, I'm dead if a divorce lawyer pulls a financial proctological exam, but by that point, I will be been dead to rights for cheating any way, how much I spent on sugar would be an asterisk in the proceedings.

This one asks for your email so she can send you info on her orgy club LOL.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/4ea6ac55-d7b4-4121-8d0b-f3fe0b6b0b3d[/URL]

Good Lawd!

[QUOTE=ErnestLl;5303021]Nothing is untraceable these days. Even going to Walgreens or Walmart and putting cash into an account has you on security camera with a time stamp that could be linked to a transaction time stamp if the cops are looking for suspects in the latest episode of "who offed the CoEd Sugar Baby".

What is of primary concern is if the person I am sending money too can get identifying info from the App transaction, and it appears the answer is NO, which lessons the impact of any BSC attacks.

I use a bank account for my business that was supposed to be closed years ago, and my SO doesn't see any of my business transactions, but I avoid using my primary account in case she ever asks or to avoid explaining stuff to my accountant. I put money into my back up business checking account and link all my apps through there. Yes, I'm dead if a divorce lawyer pulls a financial proctological exam, but by that point, I will be been dead to rights for cheating any way, how much I spent on sugar would be an asterisk in the proceedings.[/QUOTE]Except cash. That's why a lot of government types want to get rid of it, crypto being one way. It's king for me. I almost uniformly operate in the bowl w / cash, I have some tricks generating it when I have a SO, but once I do, I am fairly insulated from exposure, to the SB or to the SO.

The one thing I have found, you can check into a hotel (w / your regular I'd, so that is a risk, and a credit card). When you check out, if you pay in cash, the charge does not even show up on your CC statement. I wouldn't do this with a CC that my SO ever sees the statement for, just in case my experience breaks down, but with a business CC, I think it is safe enough. I much prefer having my SB to get the room, and give her cash for the charge. I also advise her to pay in cash upon checkout. So, who knows who was in the room? The hotel of course, but unless there is a link to some kind of crime, I don't think they have any motivation or case to release that fact.

Few days ago my seeking account was flagged for engaging in "commercial activity". I had to read the terms of service and sign it, then they reinstated my account. Not sure why they flagged my account and what constitutes a "commercial activity". This happened few days after I let my subscription expire, and I sent lots of messages (may be in the range of 20 to 30) in last couple of days with the same message copied and pasted. Not sure that was the reason. Other than that I am pretty careful about my messaging. Even the last messages I sent, I didn't include my phone number or anything. And my profile is pretty basic and can't think of anything that would be interpreted as commercial activity. I have been a member of seeking for more than 3 years and usually maintain the subscription almost all the time (may be few weeks of lapse). This is a first time I got a warning like that. Just curious if anyone had the same experience.

Play Safe.

Dr. S.

[QUOTE=ErnestLl;5303021]Nothing is untraceable these days. Even going to Walgreens or Walmart and putting cash into an account has you on security camera with a time stamp that could be linked to a transaction time stamp if the cops are looking for suspects in the latest episode of "who offed the CoEd Sugar Baby".

What is of primary concern is if the person I am sending money too can get identifying info from the App transaction, and it appears the answer is NO, which lessons the impact of any BSC attacks.

I use a bank account for my business that was supposed to be closed years ago, and my SO doesn't see any of my business transactions, but I avoid using my primary account in case she ever asks or to avoid explaining stuff to my accountant. I put money into my back up business checking account and link all my apps through there. Yes, I'm dead if a divorce lawyer pulls a financial proctological exam, but by that point, I will be been dead to rights for cheating any way, how much I spent on sugar would be an asterisk in the proceedings.[/QUOTE]Exactly right about the divorce proceedings. Even if you had a secret account and used nothing but cash, you'll still have difficulty explaining where the $50 K (in my case) per year went if you get a forensic accountant review initiated by a divorce lawyer. When the judge asks, and you say "gambling," you won't be able to prove that you ever used the cash for that, and they won't believe you. It's a bust at that point.

I haven't been married in quite some time, but I know I'd be fucked if I got in a divorce fight and they started peering into my spending habits.

[QUOTE=DrSummer;5303854]Few days ago my seeking account was flagged for engaging in "commercial activity". I had to read the terms of service and sign it, then they reinstated my account. Not sure why they flagged my account and what constitutes a "commercial activity". This happened few days after I let my subscription expire, and I sent lots of messages (may be in the range of 20 to 30) in last couple of days with the same message copied and pasted. Not sure that was the reason. Other than that I am pretty careful about my messaging. Even the last messages I sent, I didn't include my phone number or anything. And my profile is pretty basic and can't think of anything that would be interpreted as commercial activity. I have been a member of seeking for more than 3 years and usually maintain the subscription almost all the time (may be few weeks of lapse). This is a first time I got a warning like that. Just curious if anyone had the same experience.

Play Safe.

Dr. S.[/QUOTE]I believe what you did would qualify as spamming, and that is why you got flagged. That's the commercial part. That the messages were all the same. I have a core of my opening message I always use, because face it, facts are facts. However, I always put in something else, reacting to the girls profile, telling a joke, whatever. That makes the messages different, and even though I am sure how I use the site would be regarded as carpet bombing, I haven't ever had a problem like this. Except the one time I learned my lesson. I had just started a new profile, likely my 2nd, and my opening messages were all identical.

[QUOTE=RogerOver;5303940]Exactly right about the divorce proceedings. Even if you had a secret account and used nothing but cash, you'll still have difficulty explaining where the $50 K (in my case) per year went if you get a forensic accountant review initiated by a divorce lawyer. When the judge asks, and you say "gambling," you won't be able to prove that you ever used the cash for that, and they won't believe you. It's a bust at that point.

I haven't been married in quite some time, but I know I'd be fucked if I got in a divorce fight and they started peering into my spending habits.[/QUOTE]It's really not rocket science; not to get into a long thesis and or a Dissertation on cause and effect of hobby finances: But to keep it simple, any and all personal and business financial accounts (checking, "secret Checking", any type of personal and business loans, credit card. Ect) that have your SSN and (or) EIN attached to those accounts will show up on a personal and business credit report. Something to think about when you go with your SO to refinance or to get a mortgage to purchase a home. Not to mention the bank underwriter will want all personal and business financial information.

On another note: a good divorce attorney along with hiring a forensic accountant, may hire a private investigator and get a court order to subpoena phone and internet records and activity from providers. Which will open up another whole can worms..

[QUOTE=Wysiwug;5304173]It's really not rocket science; not to get into a long thesis and or a Dissertation on cause and effect of hobby finances: But to keep it simple, any and all personal and business financial accounts (checking, "secret Checking", any type of personal and business loans, credit card. Ect) that have your SSN and (or) EIN attached to those accounts will show up on a personal and business credit report. Something to think about when you go with your SO to refinance or to get a mortgage to purchase a home. Not to mention the bank underwriter will want all personal and business financial information.

On another note: a good divorce attorney along with hiring a forensic accountant, may hire a private investigator and get a court order to subpoena phone and internet records and activity from providers. Which will open up another whole can worms..[/QUOTE]Lmao!! I went with choice #2 kicked her to curb. Now I got new GF but we ain't even close to having shared accounts or buying house. Best of luck to all I never was a very good liar or hider. Always got caught.

[QUOTE=Wysiwug;5304173]It's really not rocket science; not to get into a long thesis and or a Dissertation on cause and effect of hobby finances: But to keep it simple, any and all personal and business financial accounts (checking, "secret Checking", any type of personal and business loans, credit card. Ect) that have your SSN and (or) EIN attached to those accounts will show up on a personal and business credit report. Something to think about when you go with your SO to refinance or to get a mortgage to purchase a home. Not to mention the bank underwriter will want all personal and business financial information.[/QUOTE]To keep it simple, because it's not rocket science: bank accounts (savings and checking) do not show up on a credit report. They don't. A secret credit card will for sure.

[QUOTE]On another note: a good divorce attorney along with hiring a forensic accountant, may hire a private investigator and get a court order to subpoena phone and internet records and activity from providers. Which will open up another whole can worms..[/QUOTE]

You'd be pretty much fucked at that point. I have a friend that tends to pull $50 in cash every time he goes to the store for something. He eventually builds up a cash envelope stashed in his car, then goes and gets some ass. Probably the safest way to do it if his wife doesn't check receipts and shit.

LMAO I'm so glad I'm not married and am single!

[QUOTE=RogerOver;5305542]To keep it simple, because it's not rocket science: bank accounts (savings and checking) do not show up on a credit report. They don't. A secret credit card will for sure.



You'd be pretty much fucked at that point. I have a friend that tends to pull $50 in cash every time he goes to the store for something. He eventually builds up a cash envelope stashed in his car, then goes and gets some ass. Probably the safest way to do it if his wife doesn't check receipts and shit.[/QUOTE]

Yes, same here. I got flagged and locked out for a day, the reason was they said I sent too many emails too soon LOL and they "thought I was spam" I emailed the admin and he removed it asap.

I also copy and paste but try to tweak the opening sentence but I got lazy that time. I sent out mass fishing nets as well.

Stay safe.

AD.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;5304062]I believe what you did would qualify as spamming, and that is why you got flagged. That's the commercial part. That the messages were all the same. I have a core of my opening message I always use, because face it, facts are facts. However, I always put in something else, reacting to the girls profile, telling a joke, whatever. That makes the messages different, and even though I am sure how I use the site would be regarded as carpet bombing, I haven't ever had a problem like this. Except the one time I learned my lesson. I had just started a new profile, likely my 2nd, and my opening messages were all identical.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Alkalinedio;5305852]LMAO I'm so glad I'm not married and am single![/QUOTE]#metoo. Did I use that correctly?

[QUOTE=RogerOver;5305542]To keep it simple, because it's not rocket science: bank accounts (savings and checking) do not show up on a credit report. They don't. A secret credit card will for sure..[/QUOTE]Correct; checking and saving accounts don't show up on credit reports; I meant to say "secret" checking and saving accounts are very searchable as well as pulling a credits report. Ect. Yep it's best to remember that "cash is king". And also remember to flip the bird and smile to the surveillance cameras when you check-in to the hotel for your date; that always goes over well in court if you get busted; might even make the Judge laugh.

[QUOTE=RogerOver;5306450]#metoo. Did I use that correctly?[/QUOTE]LOL. #metoo as well!

Indeed!

Looks good to me haha.

[QUOTE=RogerOver;5306450]#metoo. Did I use that correctly?[/QUOTE]

This one is 100% fake I'm sure:

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/6805bfba-138a-46dd-a345-339c607ca7bf[/URL]

Very 1st response is she wants $150 for a lunch M&G and then $300 ppm for intimacy and gives her CashApp. Like I'm going to immediately send money.

Do you guys pay for M&G? Whether up front (SCAM!) or after meeting but no FC?

I have (in person) a couple times and every time was the last I've talked to those girls. This is another thing I feel that folks should stop doing.

Your thoughts?

Thanks and be safe!

[QUOTE=FanRat;5307719]This one is 100% fake I'm sure:

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/6805bfba-138a-46dd-a345-339c607ca7bf[/URL]

Very 1st response is she wants $150 for a lunch M&G and then $300 ppm for intimacy and gives her CashApp. Like I'm going to immediately send money.

Do you guys pay for M&G? Whether up front (SCAM!) or after meeting but no FC?

I have (in person) a couple times and every time was the last I've talked to those girls. This is another thing I feel that folks should stop doing.

Your thoughts?

Thanks and be safe![/QUOTE]Of course, nothing electronic beforehand. That's foolish. I have promised to give cash at the meet for gas, babysitter, uber, etc. I have also said that if the meeting goes well and we're moving toward an arrangement, I always have a 'nice gift. ' What I do there is typically a gift card, to Sephora or Victoria, of $25. That also lets me say something sappy when I give it to them, like 'every pretty girl likes. '. If I am meeting at a coffee place, I will sometimes give the girl cash and ask her to get me a drink with hers, and have her keep the change. If you order together, be sure to give a nice tip. Doesn't pay at all to look cheap (even if you are).

[QUOTE=FanRat;5307719]This one is 100% fake I'm sure:

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/6805bfba-138a-46dd-a345-339c607ca7bf[/URL]

Very 1st response is she wants $150 for a lunch M&G and then $300 ppm for intimacy and gives her CashApp. Like I'm going to immediately send money.

Do you guys pay for M&G? Whether up front (SCAM!) or after meeting but no FC?

I have (in person) a couple times and every time was the last I've talked to those girls. This is another thing I feel that folks should stop doing.

Your thoughts?

Thanks and be safe![/QUOTE]Up until lately I've been very successful in the sugar bowl with 18-23 low / no mileage gorgeous babies and I never once have paid for a m&g. Out of all the girls I've taken to the FC, I've only had one m&g and I had no plans to get to to the FC. She was up front and said she didn't think she could do it so we agreed that I'd buy her some nice toys and we'd meet at a coffee shop to give her the toys. Only thing I asked was for lots of pictures and vids of the toys getting good use and she came through for a few months. I take the time to do m&g online through texts, Snapchat or video chats. I'm just too busy to risk m&g's that may turn into nothing. I also have a SO and don't want to risk being seen in public. After running into 3 different babies while out in public with my SO I have started to only sugar 50+ miles away from home.

[QUOTE=FanRat;5307719]This one is 100% fake I'm sure:

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/6805bfba-138a-46dd-a345-339c607ca7bf[/URL]

Very 1st response is she wants $150 for a lunch M&G and then $300 ppm for intimacy and gives her CashApp. Like I'm going to immediately send money.

Do you guys pay for M&G? Whether up front (SCAM!) or after meeting but no FC?

I have (in person) a couple times and every time was the last I've talked to those girls. This is another thing I feel that folks should stop doing.

Your thoughts?

Thanks and be safe![/QUOTE]Simple answer is NO MONEY UPFRONT, er, unless you like being rinsed.

[B]M&G is a job interview for the girl.[/B] If you want to give a gift at the M&G like FFA does then that is your choice. Any girl who wants to be compensated for a M&G is a firm "pass" in my book.

So even though you have done it in the pst, it is not something I would continue to do. BTW- girls talk and if you are a 'mark' they will come around for free money.

[QUOTE=Shampoo55;5308757]Simple answer is NO MONEY UPFRONT, er, unless you like being rinsed.

[B]M&G is a job interview for the girl.[/B] If you want to give a gift at the M&G like FFA does then that is your choice. Any girl who wants to be compensated for a M&G is a firm "pass" in my book.

So even though you have done it in the pst, it is not something I would continue to do. BTW- girls talk and if you are a 'mark' they will come around for free money.[/QUOTE]The only time I've paid even one dime before hand was booking a mid-tier porn actress for a 2 hour date. It was fun but I over paid.

I wouldn't give any money for M& G (Cash or gift cards), but I would take care of all expenses (food, drinks etc). I don't send Uber money, but after we meet I would arrange an Uber for her to get back home. I have been in the sugar bowl for about 3 years now and on per month on average take 3 new girls to FC. You can do it without paying for M&G. When I started the bowl I had the habit of giving about $50 in cash or gift card after M&G. I quickly realized it has no impact on whether they meet meet me again let alone going to FC. In fact I found it was counter productive. Once you give the gift before heading to FC, more than likely you are not going to see them again. There are lots of Professional Meet & Greeters out there.

Play Safe.

Dr. S.

[QUOTE=FanRat;5307719]This one is 100% fake I'm sure:

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/6805bfba-138a-46dd-a345-339c607ca7bf[/URL]

Very 1st response is she wants $150 for a lunch M&G and then $300 ppm for intimacy and gives her CashApp. Like I'm going to immediately send money.

Do you guys pay for M&G? Whether up front (SCAM!) or after meeting but no FC?

I have (in person) a couple times and every time was the last I've talked to those girls. This is another thing I feel that folks should stop doing.

Your thoughts?

Thanks and be safe![/QUOTE]

An update on this. I met her, and had two FC dates so far and next one in two days. She is a gem and definitely a keeper. After our first FC date she deactivated her SA profile (confirmed with my second dummy account). It was the first time that happened to me.

Play Safe.

Dr. S.

[QUOTE=DrSummer;5287510]What's you guys opinion on a girl specifically saying single men only on her seeking page? I am chatting with a 26 yr old with that disclaimer on her profile. I am divorced and not an issue for me. Her communication is very good and she seems legit and I confirmed her identity with the information given to me. Asking for a meet & greet first to see if we connect. Not asking for anything to meet and no discussion of allowance yet. Setting up a meet next week. Just wanted to get expert opinion.

Play Safe.

Dr. S.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DrSummer;5309637]An update on this. I met her, and had two FC dates so far and next one in two days. She is a gem and definitely a keeper. After our first FC date she deactivated her SA profile (confirmed with my second dummy account). It was the first time that happened to me.

Play Safe.

Dr. S.[/QUOTE]Gems are possible but I can just imagine the mountain range of shit you had to tunnel through before finding this one.

[QUOTE=EvilTmp;5310762]Gems are possible but I can just imagine the mountain range of shit you had to tunnel through before finding this one.[/QUOTE]You just happen on a unicorn by accident. A few years back, I had one hit me up a day before my subscription expired. Gave her my number and let her know the clock was running out and I wasn't renewing. She sent me a text a few days later and we wound up having a blast for the next 9 months.

So it does happen periodically. Seemed easier back then, tbh.

The most reliable means of paying is with the OneVanilla Prepaid, which looks like this, and which comes in interesting packaging, with a vertical window and a tear strip through it to open the thing up.

Greeting's gents, I was hoping to be seeking some wisdom form you all.

I remember taking advice from you all with a situation I had last time and I was able (along with some research) to procure a sugar baby or two on Maui. In some islands in Hawaii, the SB game is scarce and difficult, so I thank you all for helping me achieve such a feat. Recently though I ended up getting one who can host, but in turn got into a situation I never encountered before and would appreciate your wisdom from the experts.

I've been seeing this girl a few times at her place. Since the island is small, I try to keep everything private and discreet as possible. As far as I can tell she has not fully seen my car (only in the dead of night so it's inaccurate) nor does she know my phone either. The first few times and through messages she's been very chill and pleasing, but my last visit after we were having a cooldown from a session, she started talking about how she was having a fight with one of her renters. I of course don't judge and let her have her vent and try to say something neutral, but comforting. For some reason, some flip switched on her and she thought I was being rude or disrespectful. Could not diffuse the situation so tried to salvage the awkward moment, left my donation, and leave as quickly as possible with an awkward goodbye. I'm usually a good vibe with all the women I meet and the donation I give has been decent enough for them to not speak up about it so I'm not sure what I did wrong, but I do want to end my arrangement with her. How would you gents tackle this situation?

My Goal: To end the arrangement with her in a respectful manner. Maui is small so I do not wish to take the risk of seeing her again in public with some hostility towards me. I would like us to be strangers again like we never met.

I'm not sure if ghosting is a good idea because I wish for us to part on a good note (I usually discuss the end or our arrangement and we respectfully stop seeing one another). Any wisdom is appreciated and thank you. I'll be doing my own research as well. You are also free to PM me as well.

Mahalo, Stay Safe.

Tell her you are at a time of your life where you want a real relationship. You feel that having her in your life makes it that your too comfortable to seek a normal relationship. If your marry just say you're wife found out, and your trying to safe your marriage.

Tell her in person, and if your a gentleman tell her before you FC her. I always tell them after, and when I'm ready to leave. You never know if things get ugly and you have to leave real quick.

[QUOTE=DreamCatching;5313544]Greeting's gents, I was hoping to be seeking some wisdom form you all.

I remember taking advice from you all with a situation I had last time and I was able (along with some research) to procure a sugar baby or two on Maui. In some islands in Hawaii, the SB game is scarce and difficult, so I thank you all for helping me achieve such a feat. Recently though I ended up getting one who can host, but in turn got into a situation I never encountered before and would appreciate your wisdom from the experts.

I've been seeing this girl a few times at her place. Since the island is small, I try to keep everything private and discreet as possible. As far as I can tell she has not fully seen my car (only in the dead of night so it's inaccurate) nor does she know my phone either. The first few times and through messages she's been very chill and pleasing, but my last visit after we were having a cooldown from a session, she started talking about how she was having a fight with one of her renters. I of course don't judge and let her have her vent and try to say something neutral, but comforting. For some reason, some flip switched on her and she thought I was being rude or disrespectful. Could not diffuse the situation so tried to salvage the awkward moment, left my donation, and leave as quickly as possible with an awkward goodbye. I'm usually a good vibe with all the women I meet and the donation I give has been decent enough for them to not speak up about it so I'm not sure what I did wrong, but I do want to end my arrangement with her. How would you gents tackle this situation?

My Goal: To end the arrangement with her in a respectful manner. Maui is small so I do not wish to take the risk of seeing her again in public with some hostility towards me. I would like us to be strangers again like we never met.

I'm not sure if ghosting is a good idea because I wish for us to part on a good note (I usually discuss the end or our arrangement and we respectfully stop seeing one another). Any wisdom is appreciated and thank you. I'll be doing my own research as well. You are also free to PM me as well.

Mahalo, Stay Safe.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DreamCatching;5313544]Greeting's gents, I was hoping to be seeking some wisdom form you all.

I remember taking advice from you all with a situation I had last time and I was able (along with some research) to procure a sugar baby or two on Maui. In some islands in Hawaii, the SB game is scarce and difficult, so I thank you all for helping me achieve such a feat. Recently though I ended up getting one who can host, but in turn got into a situation I never encountered before and would appreciate your wisdom from the experts.

I've been seeing this girl a few times at her place. Since the island is small, I try to keep everything private and discreet as possible. As far as I can tell she has not fully seen my car (only in the dead of night so it's inaccurate) nor does she know my phone either. The first few times and through messages she's been very chill and pleasing, but my last visit after we were having a cooldown from a session, she started talking about how she was having a fight with one of her renters. I of course don't judge and let her have her vent and try to say something neutral, but comforting. For some reason, some flip switched on her and she thought I was being rude or disrespectful. Could not diffuse the situation so tried to salvage the awkward moment, left my donation, and leave as quickly as possible with an awkward goodbye. I'm usually a good vibe with all the women I meet and the donation I give has been decent enough for them to not speak up about it so I'm not sure what I did wrong, but I do want to end my arrangement with her. How would you gents tackle this situation?

My Goal: To end the arrangement with her in a respectful manner. Maui is small so I do not wish to take the risk of seeing her again in public with some hostility towards me. I would like us to be strangers again like we never met.

I'm not sure if ghosting is a good idea because I wish for us to part on a good note (I usually discuss the end or our arrangement and we respectfully stop seeing one another). Any wisdom is appreciated and thank you. I'll be doing my own research as well. You are also free to PM me as well.

Mahalo, Stay Safe.[/QUOTE]This is red pill 101. It's nothing you did wrong, she's trying to see how much power she has over you. She's trying to see how much control you have over yourself and others around you. Next time something like this happens with any girl, when you sensed a switch flipped in her head, you should have said "seems it's a tough situation for you" and just get up and leave in that instant. You don't lecture, explain, gush in excuses for a woman. You just remove yourself, your time, your attention, and your affection. It's her job to show why she belongs in your life, not you to grovel how lucky you are to have her. Once you internalize this and truly make it part of your mental model, the less and less you have to deal with this kind of bad behavior. They can sense it.

As for breaking it off the "want a serious relationship" is a great one. I would shy away from the wife excuse, especially if you are married. She could make it her mission to find her and tell her about your extracuriccular interests. Do tell her about the wife finding out if you are NOT married. LOL.

Other well-used reasons for breaking it off: "I'm falling in love with you", "I have work thing outside the state / country for x months".

If you can do try to see her one last time and keep things light and fun. Keep the usual donation and bring a small gift.

[QUOTE=Lobsid;5313808]Tell her you are at a time of your life where you want a real relationship. You feel that having her in your life makes it that your too comfortable to seek a normal relationship. If your marry just say you're wife found out, and your trying to safe your marriage.

Tell her in person, and if your a gentleman tell her before you FC her. I always tell them after, and when I'm ready to leave. You never know if things get ugly and you have to leave real quick.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EvilTmp;5313906]This is red pill 101. It's nothing you did wrong, she's trying to see how much power she has over you. She's trying to see how much control you have over yourself and others around you. Next time something like this happens with any girl, when you sensed a switch flipped in her head, you should have said "seems it's a tough situation for you" and just get up and leave in that instant. You don't lecture, explain, gush in excuses for a woman. You just remove yourself, your time, your attention, and your affection. It's her job to show why she belongs in your life, not you to grovel how lucky you are to have her. Once you internalize this and truly make it part of your mental model, the less and less you have to deal with this kind of bad behavior. They can sense it.

As for breaking it off the "want a serious relationship" is a great one. I would shy away from the wife excuse, especially if you are married. She could make it her mission to find her and tell her about your extracuriccular interests. Do tell her about the wife finding out if you are NOT married. LOL.

Other well-used reasons for breaking it off: "I'm falling in love with you", "I have work thing outside the state / country for x months".

If you can do try to see her one last time and keep things light and fun. Keep the usual donation and bring a small gift.[/QUOTE]Some sound advice for the OP. It's always interesting how "not putting up with any bullshit" has been co-opted by "red pill. " But I suppose as long as it works, call it whatever.

Personally, when I want to break things off, I find something the chick loves and start shitting on it. It could be jesus, her brother, her job, whatever. Make her see the future without you in it, and she'll do the break-up for you.