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[QUOTE=ProJohn1;6622061]I enjoy the process of cruising and meeting girls. I love driving. Other's may not. I would much rather meet girls in person then on a website. I find some really good girls cruising.[/QUOTE]That's great for you. I really don't like the cruising and driving part. Meeting them online and then discreetly in public works much better for me. Everybody's different and its great that you have an approach that works for you.

And it's true that a lot of the sugar girls are pretty messed up. That's one more reason I approach them very carefully and try to meet them face to face someplace neutral before we go on to more private activities.

[QUOTE=MrFox75;6623101]Bbyzen: [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/2e0b3bdb-2b87-4b14-8ff5-3442e44497e4[/URL].

Anyone have info on this one? I've been chatting with her and can't get quite figure her out. One second she seems real, the next it feels like a scam.[/QUOTE]Wants money to prove you are serious LOL. I just moved on. Even if she is real she is just wasting time and looking for easy money.

[QUOTE=Spacehog;6621563]Yes the tech dudes. They are making 150 to 200 k a year and they are paying whatever the girls want. When you bring home 14 k a month giving away 1 to 2 k is like normal people paying $300 to $400. Its a problem and its not going away. Only time that well temporarily dries up is when the big companies start laying off and those guys close their wallets in fear of being laid off but that doesn't last long.[/QUOTE]I make way more than 150 a year. (double that.). And there in no way I'm paying 1 k! I'd go broke. LOL. 1 k is to much guys. I fucked in Miami for 4-5. Phoenix is 4 for a 21 yo (I gave extra for mail job cause I see her when I'm in town and she give raw). None of there's girls are with 1 k. I leaned that the hard way. They are mostly scammers and managed (many are). There are unicorns. The ones that will spend an afternoon / evening with you and fuck you more than once for 5. At 150 k a year you can't afford a 1 k fuck. Imo. But yes, tech has ruined the world.

[QUOTE=PriceIsRight39;6624138]I make way more than 150 a year. (double that.). And there in no way I'm paying 1 k! I'd go broke. LOL. 1 k is to much guys. I fucked in Miami for 4-5. Phoenix is 4 for a 21 yo (I gave extra for mail job cause I see her when I'm in town and she give raw). None of there's girls are with 1 k. I leaned that the hard way. They are mostly scammers and managed (many are). There are unicorns. The ones that will spend an afternoon / evening with you and fuck you more than once for 5. At 150 k a year you can't afford a 1 k fuck. Imo. But yes, tech has ruined the world.[/QUOTE]Basically, inexperienced tech guys need to realize that rates have zero correlation to the experience you get. In fact, you're probably more likely to have a worse experience by overpaying because whoever you're seeing is trying to hit a home run here or there from gullible types and doesn't care about good service or anything long term.

As said before, the very best types are ones who do all this on the side while having steady income already, though that does make you skew towards a higher age. They do it because they enjoy it and not because they have to. Not to say there aren't good ones that don't fit that bill, but anyone else has more likelihood of being crazy, clingy, flaky, or other issues. You might as well get into a traditional relationship if you deal with that.

[QUOTE=PriceIsRight39;6624138]I make way more than 150 a year. (double that.). And there in no way I'm paying 1 k! I'd go broke. LOL. 1 k is to much guys. I fucked in Miami for 4-5. Phoenix is 4 for a 21 yo (I gave extra for mail job cause I see her when I'm in town and she give raw). None of there's girls are with 1 k. I leaned that the hard way. They are mostly scammers and managed (many are). There are unicorns. The ones that will spend an afternoon / evening with you and fuck you more than once for 5. At 150 k a year you can't afford a 1 k fuck. Imo. But yes, tech has ruined the world.[/QUOTE]This. I make more then 150 k a year myself as well and I am not ever paying 1 k for a fucking hour LOL. There is simply no value in that what so ever! An hour of a girls time is simply not worth 1 k! I don't value orgasms to be worth anywhere near that. If we are talking 1 k then that money could be better well spent on Seeking where you will get multiple encounters from girls who aren't total pros and you can have chemistry with.

The best type of girl to be had out there is the low self esteem unicorn. This girl has a low sense of self worth and will undercharge and give you amazing service in search of your approval! I recently picked one of these girls up and she was absolutely beautiful and 19. Only wanted to charge me 80 bucks! Spent many hours together. Really a great girl with serious lack of self esteem. Felt bad for her so I gave her 200 at her charging so little. Was all uncovered. It's rare you come across these types though in my experience in this game. The last low self esteem unicorn I picked up prior to this one was last summer and she wanted only 50! Same experience. We cuddled for a long time and and it was just a great experience. She was also super pretty and in her early 20's.

[QUOTE=ProJohn1;6624820]This. I make more then 150 k a year myself as well and I am not ever paying 1 k for a fucking hour LOL. There is simply no value in that what so ever! An hour of a girls time is simply not worth 1 k! I don't value orgasms to be worth anywhere near that. If we are talking 1 k then that money could be better well spent on Seeking where you will get multiple encounters from girls who aren't total pros and you can have chemistry with.[/QUOTE]Similar boat here. I make good money these days, but don't want to spend it frivolously. I've gone to that level with porn stars, but there's a difference between spending 1 k to see Ariana Marie for a few hours and getting personal video and "civ" girls looking for 1 k. I've found there is little correlation between what they're asking for and the experience. Chemistry and clicking are still a factor for most girls you end up seeing.

I visit LA a few times a year and I find much better results down there than up here. Bigger pool of girls combined with the acting / modelling industry down there. Every girl up here is looking for 500 minimum these days, regardless of their looks or attitude. Similar in LA, but the difference is for 500 in LA I've had unrushed several hour arrangements with a super horny Asian gamer college girl or a literal runway model.

For context, if I look for girls in the Seattle area on Seeking in my age and body range I get a 3-4000 hits of which really only a few are active. In LA it's 10,000+ which is the max it displays. Hell, if I choose Latin / Hispanic there are more Latinas in the range then ALL girls up here.

I basically sub and scout Seeking for a month a couple of times a year up here and whenever I travel. I stay picky up here and save anything I don't spend for trips.

[QUOTE=blake37;6626312]Similar boat here. I make good money these days, but don't want to spend it frivolously. I've gone to that level with porn stars, but there's a difference between spending 1 k to see Ariana Marie for a few hours and getting personal video and "civ" girls looking for 1 k. I've found there is little correlation between what they're asking for and the experience. Chemistry and clicking are still a factor for most girls you end up seeing.

I visit LA a few times a year and I find much better results down there than up here. Bigger pool of girls combined with the acting / modelling industry down there. Every girl up here is looking for 500 minimum these days, regardless of their looks or attitude. Similar in LA, but the difference is for 500 in LA I've had unrushed several hour arrangements with a super horny Asian gamer college girl or a literal runway model.

For context, if I look for girls in the Seattle area on Seeking in my age and body range I get a 3-4000 hits of which really only a few are active. In LA it's 10,000+ which is the max it displays. Hell, if I choose Latin / Hispanic there are more Latinas in the range then ALL girls up here.

I basically sub and scout Seeking for a month a couple of times a year up here and whenever I travel. I stay picky up here and save anything I don't spend for trips.[/QUOTE]Agreed. There are way better results in other places. Dudes are paying it up here so the market is wacky. I didn't help when I first started off. Now, Phoenix is 350-500 and she stays all afternoon!!

I get lucky on the east side of WA I have one that for 5 we do multiple rounds, bare, anal, facials. She's a total and and a freak. She's a unicorn and college educated enough to get that if she's good to fellas and agreeable, we will give give give. She's also realistic about what she's asking for. One in a 100 in the NW. This place has issues. I won't go I to what they are.

Also, Miami netted a 23 yo fresh off the boat from Panama! Beautiful!! Started at 1 k settled for 4 and passed a friends number along too! They more like escorts though. But no Ho nails, and no attitude! Geez, the entitled attitude around here is thick!

[QUOTE=ProJohn1;6624820]This. I make more then 150 k a year myself as well and I am not ever paying 1 k for a fucking hour LOL. There is simply no value in that what so ever! An hour of a girls time is simply not worth 1 k! I don't value orgasms to be worth anywhere near that. If we are talking 1 k then that money could be better well spent on Seeking where you will get multiple encounters from girls who aren't total pros and you can have chemistry with.

The best type of girl to be had out there is the low self esteem unicorn. This girl has a low sense of self worth and will undercharge and give you amazing service in search of your approval! I recently picked one of these girls up and she was absolutely beautiful and 19. Only wanted to charge me 80 bucks! Spent many hours together. Really a great girl with serious lack of self esteem. Felt bad for her so I gave her 200 at her charging so little. Was all uncovered. It's rare you come across these types though in my experience in this game. The last low self esteem unicorn I picked up prior to this one was last summer and she wanted only 50! Same experience. We cuddled for a long time and and it was just a great experience. She was also super pretty and in her early 20's.[/QUOTE]Haven't been that lucky!! LOL but multiple rounds at 5 and a second wife is decent in the NW. She's like my second. Not the two wives is a great idea anymore! Hahaha.

Been a while brother. Lost my phone book so drop me a line. I got some fresh meat. :-D

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/c782b3c6-3741-48ad-9e91-f113308ddb99[/URL]

This one gave me the sad story about needing bills paid. Hey, if you're in a bind, daddy can make a deal. Of course she asked for the cash first and told me how she's not like the other girls on SA. Hahah I said I didn't do that due to being a fool once and getting scammed and that I'm happy to meet up Saturday and pass some funds if you want to. You know. This was all via WhatsApp (I never give um my real number for a long time and even then, bitches are crazy!!). I explained that most guys don't pay up front and you'll get blocked. Well, you can guess what happened next!! I got a voice msg calling me every name but the Virgin Mary!! Who raises these young women? My god the vile language that came out of that woman's mouth. I'm mean Trump said " grab um by the p—-y, but this was like nothing I've heard in the locker room in the hood!

I get it, she realized that now the lights were actually going to get cut off! LOL sorry honey maybe some gump will go for it, but you were a BJ and all fours away from the October crisis being averted. Hahah I love it! We have all the cards fellas.

Beware.

[QUOTE=HelloThar;6624644]Basically, inexperienced tech guys need to realize that rates have zero correlation to the experience you get. In fact, you're probably more likely to have a worse experience by overpaying because whoever you're seeing is trying to hit a home run here or there from gullible types and doesn't care about good service or anything long term.

As said before, the very best types are ones who do all this on the side while having steady income already, though that does make you skew towards a higher age. They do it because they enjoy it and not because they have to. Not to say there aren't good ones that don't fit that bill, but anyone else has more likelihood of being crazy, clingy, flaky, or other issues. You might as well get into a traditional relationship if you deal with that.[/QUOTE]Alot of these guys who work in tech are mega sperglords or incels. They HAVE to pay up to get these girls it seems. I mean we all do but the premium is higher if you're ugly / short / fat etc.

Real but GPS, 400 all covered, no kisses. Gorgeous ass though (BBL). I was able to negotiate her down in person but not planning on seeing her again.

[QUOTE=CogelonSeattle;6628864]Real but GPS, 400 all covered, no kisses. Gorgeous ass though (BBL). I was able to negotiate her down in person but not planning on seeing her again.[/QUOTE]Thanks for contributing actionable info. This forum is getting overrun with BS stories and whining as of late.

[QUOTE=Darkhosis;6628980]Thanks for contributing actionable info. This forum is getting overrun with BS stories and whining as of late.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I used to follow this thread a lot in the past when people shared info, not anymore these days. I hope you find it useful. I have more to report but will do once I get some free time.

Just seeing if anyone's given this a try? Don't want to over donate, want to keep prices low so all can enjoy and benefit.

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