Regarding orlando J's-- Ans.
In the florida statute masturbation is included in the prostitution law.
In Nevada prostitution workers are fingerprinted, photographed and disease tested and cannot commence work until the results of the disease testing are returned.
Which is why I advised one local lovely who was
considering going there not to because when she leaves the business once she has registered it will always be in a computer. Currently she has no arrest record and could leave the business, change her appearance slightly and live happily ever after.---VS
Is Sex for Money always Prostitution?
Although the law defines prostitution as basically sex for money, this rule doesn't always apply. There are many cases where people are paid money or "something of value" in exchange for sexual contact and it is not prostitution. It seems logical at this point to list examples of sex for money that is not prostitution in order to more accurately develop a set of rules to determine what prostitution is by examining what it is not.
A man goes into a topless bar and sits down next to the stage. He pulls out a dollar bill, folds it lengthwise and lays it on the stage. The female dancer sees the money and moves right in front of him. She shakes her breasts in his face, spreads her legs, shows him her ass and moves her hips in a humping motion. She then turns and hisses him on the forehead and pulls her garter indicating for him to put the money there. He does, and she repeats the performance for the next man with a dollar. Is this prostitution? No. Is it sex for money? Yes it is. But it's dancing.
A woman is working for a large company. Her supervisor is a handsome single man. An opportunity for a promotion opens up. She indicates to her supervisor that she's willing to have sex with him if she gets the job. The new job pays more than her present job. They have known each other for years and have dated in the past but never had sex. She has sex with him and she gets the job. Is it unethical? Yes it is. Is it sex for money? Yes it is. Is it prostitution? No.
A man and a woman are dating. They are out shopping and she sees something she wants. He asks if he buys the item for her if she'll have sex with him. She agrees. Is that prostitution? No. Is it sex for money? Yes it is. But it's in the context of a relationship. It may be a screwed up relationship, but it's not a crime. We are Americans and we have the right to have a screwed up relationship.
A couple is having sexual problems. Their marriage is in a rut and they are talking about divorce. The problem is that the "spark" is gone. Sex just isn't good any more. That may be a bad reason to divorce, but it happens. In an attempt to save the relationship, the go to a sexual counselor. The counselor examines the couple and determines that they need training in sexual technique. This training is to be accomplished by sexual surrogates. The couple is taken to a room where a staff male and a staff female engage in sexual intercourse with the couple and train them in sexual techniques. The staff members are total strangers and are having sex with the couple for money. Is this prostitution? No! Is it sex for money? Yes it is. But it is in the context of therapy. Even if the sexual surrogates are not licensed or trained it's not prostitution. It is at best a license violation.
A smart young man has an affair with a rich old woman. She is lonely and she desperately wants sexual contact. He lives with her and takes care of her needs. She takes care of his expenses. Both know what's going on. He knows if he doesn't give her sex that he's gone. She knows that if she doesn't give him money he's gone. However, they have lived together for a long time and are both getting what they want. Is this prostitution? No. Is it sex for money? Yes it is. A prosecutor might in theory be able to press criminal charges, but what jury would actually convict either party of prostitution, especially if there were other things that they did together besides sex and money.
For example, the making of a porn movie is not prostitution (applies to California). But in a porn movie you have sexual contact and the actors are paid to have sex in front of a camera. This is clearly sex for money, but it's not prostitution.
We have all seen movies involving love making on the screen. Many sex scenes have even made it to prime time television. They involve simulated sex. Simulated sex is where the actors don't have genital penetration. The visuals are often faked, although in many cases, real sexual stimulation occurs. Although much of the sex is simulated sex, often the scene involves the licking of nipples, grinding of groins, kissing of the thighs and navels, penises get hard, faces get red, nipples become erect. These acts are real and these people are doing it for money. Is this prostitution? No! Is this sex for money? Yes it is. But, they're making a movie. Thus it is legal to have sex for money in the context of making a movie.
A man pulls his truck into a truck stop to spend the night. Just as he parks a woman knocks on his door and asks him if he wants a date. He says, "how much for a blow job?" She responds, I'll suck you for $40. He gives her a pair of twenties and she goes for it. Is this prostitution? Yes it is.
[b]What makes Sex for Money not Prostitution?[/b]
We have now listed several examples of sex for money that is not prostitution. What is the common element that makes sex for money not prostitution? If it's in the context of therapy then sex for money isn't prostitution. If it's in the context of getting a job then sex for money isn't prostitution. If it's in the context of friendship then sex for money isn't prostitution. If they are living together then sex for money isn't prostitution.
It seems that the common element that makes sex for money not prostitution is that if it's not only sex for money. In all these cases there is a third element involved. It's always sex for money and something else. The one example of prostitution was when there was only sex for money and nothing else. Thus, although the statute defines prostitution as sexual contact in exchange for something of value, it seems like in practice that the real rule is an exchange of something of value for only sex and nothing else. Because if you are buying sex and friendship or sex in the context of a relationship or therapy, or making a movie, then the third element makes the event not an act of prostitution, even with the element of sex for money.
Thus the language of the statute is incomplete because it doesn't say what it really means. Prostitution is more accurately defined as:
"Prostitution", a person commits prostitution if he, in return for something of value to be received by the person or by a third person, engages or offers or agrees to engage in only sexual conduct with another person.
J
Interesting and very well written...
Leads me to wonder then, if I see an escort on CL and hand her $150 for a crayon drawing (hey art collectors see the "value" of art in the eyes of the beholder) and she is so grateful to have sold a painting that she lets me in her room and screws my eyeballs out for an hour. Are we safe?
If so, I'd like to put my order in now - a painting drawn using the stiff nipple on a 44 inch titty and finger paint. What do you think? Loophole???
CB
[QUOTE=Orlando J]
[b]What makes Sex for Money not Prostitution?[/b]
We have now listed several examples of sex for money that is not prostitution. What is the common element that makes sex for money not prostitution? If it's in the context of therapy then sex for money isn't prostitution. If it's in the context of getting a job then sex for money isn't prostitution. If it's in the context of friendship then sex for money isn't prostitution. If they are living together then sex for money isn't prostitution.
It seems that the common element that makes sex for money not prostitution is that if it's not only sex for money. In all these cases there is a third element involved. It's always sex for money and something else. The one example of prostitution was when there was only sex for money and nothing else. Thus, although the statute defines prostitution as sexual contact in exchange for something of value, it seems like in practice that the real rule is an exchange of something of value for only sex and nothing else. Because if you are buying sex and friendship or sex in the context of a relationship or therapy, or making a movie, then the third element makes the event not an act of prostitution, even with the element of sex for money.
Thus the language of the statute is incomplete because it doesn't say what it really means. Prostitution is more accurately defined as:
"Prostitution", a person commits prostitution if he, in return for something of value to be received by the person or by a third person, engages or offers or agrees to engage in only sexual conduct with another person.
J[/QUOTE]
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Arguments, jealous, ego, ...etc.
Is it possible that we keep these aside? I have seen lots of posts all about this on this very thread. Five to six of those posts in a row are nothing but empty arguments. I tried to change the subject but just when I thought I am out they pulled me back in.[i] From Godfather ,I believe 3rd part, movies[/i].
Some are jealous! Jackson said it on the [url=http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/index.php]home page[/url] of this forum. Jackson [quote]I just finished responding to more than 100 reported posts, a task that in itself will give anyone a headache, but this particular batch struck me has having an unusually high number of complaints that essentially amounted to one member not liking another member's writing style or report content, which leads me to offer this general suggestion:
If you don't like another Forum Member's reports, then simply add them to your "[url=http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/profile.php?do=editlist]Ignore[/url] List" and you'll never see their reports again.[/quote]
[i]Let me take [b][i]Mr. I know everything[/b][/i] as an example:[/i]
[b][i]Mr. I know everything[/b][/i] is the superlative of all.
[b][i]Mr. I know everything[/b][/i] is always right and everyone is wrong. [b][i]Mr. I know everything[/b][/i] is opinionated, stubborn son of a biatch. You are either with him or against him. If he sees two people disagree that means war. He has double standards and hypocrite. He says he respects women but attacks them once they voice their opinion. He'd meet BBW then writes bad reviews (She was so fat for his 2" tool). If BBW are not your cup of tea noone forced you to date them.
[b][i]Mr. I know everything[/b][/i] is an unappreciative and ungrateful.
[b][i]Mr. I know everything[/b][/i] undermines others. He puts people down.
[b][i]Mr. I know everything[/b][/i] knows everything and does not need us or this forum. He has superpowers and is highly connected.
[b][i]Mr. I know everything[/b][/i] complains and attacks others
[b][i]Mr. I know everything[/b][/i] is a jealous bastard. [b][i]Mr. I know everything[/b][/i] is a big psycho and sociopath a??hole. He is there to get you. He would like to eliminate his competitors out.
[b][i]Mr. I know everything[/b][/i] is selfish and does not want to share.
Since [b][i]Mr. I know everything[/b][/i] knows from his highly connected professionals everything why did not he tell us before?
Instead [b][i]Mr. I know everything[/b][/i] kept it to himself and when someone posts it. [b][i]Mr. I know everything[/b][/i] claims he knew it long ago.
[b][i]Mr. I know everything[/b][/i] projects he knows everyone personally. [b][i]Mr. I know everything[/b][/i] is a racist and with his superpowers he thought I am a black man. Sorry you are wrong [b][i]Mr. I know everything[/b][/i]. Then why and who cares about anyone's race. [b][i]Mr. I know everything[/b][/i] can tell from your writing and he will look down on you oh holy moly.
[b][i]Mr. I know everything[/b][/i] will report posts if he does not like your writing style!
I do not think anyone wants to be [b][i]Mr. I know everything[/b][/i].
For [url=http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=488499&postcount=25]references[/url] I posted these same thoughts long ago. Actually I told some people working in the adult industry these thoughts but now that we have Florida case of sex film maker Clinton Raymond McCowen, aka "Ray Guhn". I take back what I said in the past regarding porn.
I am not a lawyer but I dig, collect and compile info.
J
International Therapy Report
I have been a little busy today. My second visit was to get thoroughly relaxed and clean out the backed-up pipes. After visiting Lotus, I went to International Therapy (US 17/92 next to Thurstons on the North side Orange/Seminole line).
I paid the mamasan and gave her a compliment and she gave me the use of one of their nicer looking ladies (mind you, not model-pretty, but natural C-Cups). The TS was thorough to make sure I was clean. The massage was also nice and relaxing.
I did not have to ask her where to massage, she took care of everything. My hands wandered all while this was happening. After the plumbing back-up was cleared, she wiped me off with a towel (to get the lotion off me). I left very relaxed and happy.
For me, this place is offers a solid service, every time. I recommend it.
Massage: 7.5/10
House Fee: $.8
Tip: $.4
I am spent. Gentlemen who argue here: you need a good, relaxing, tension-releasing massage. There is nothing like the touch of a wonderful lady provider (especially a pretty one) to make your tensions disappear.
Now take my advice and get some. Be safe and behave (and have some fun as well).
Have a great week-end everyone.
My shocking dream about a massage spa in N. Orando.
I'm new to this guide and also new to this country, I'm from the UK actually. I found this very informative website by just doing some searching on the internet. My first/second massage experience was at Assa day spa on International Dr/Kirkman Rd. I got a beautiful session with Hannah. A very nice girl with an excellent massage. My second massage was with Sharon-it was Ok. She seemed very cautious, my guess from reading this forum recently is because of authorities. I dreamed of going to Lotus day Spa located in Altomonte Springs where I found them on Craigslist-In UK Craigslist is also popular. I got a very nice massage from an american girl. The strangest thing happened to me about a week after my massage appointment I recieved a strange phone call from an agency and I was asked some questions about this particular spa; Lotus. Of course I denied everything and needed to prevent my self from saying anything incriminating. I was very much struck by surprice of something like this happening. In Uk I've never heard of such tactic being used against citizens like this before, at least not with massage offices. Can somebody please PM me on how I could've handled this situation. Should I have just hung up the phone? Does this happen quite often here in Orland, Fla? Am I completely off the line. I'm a marred man so turning to an escort membership is a bit of a hassle? What are my rights on the phone or in person? From the best of my knowlegde Parlors in Uk have issues but citizens are never questioned.
Details Please - Let's Discuss this here
[QUOTE=Ukguy]I'm new to this guide and also new to this country, I'm from the UK actually. I found this very informative website by just doing some searching on the internet. My first/second massage experience was at Assa day spa on International Dr/Kirkman Rd. I got a beautiful session with Hannah. A very nice girl with an excellent massage. My second massage was with Sharon-it was Ok. She seemed very cautious, my guess from reading this forum recently is because of authorities. I dreamed of going to Lotus day Spa located in Altomonte Springs where I found them on Craigslist-In UK Craigslist is also popular. I got a very nice massage from an american girl. The strangest thing happened to me about a week after my massage appointment I recieved a strange phone call from an agency and I was asked some questions about this particular spa; Lotus. Of course I denied everything and needed to prevent my self from saying anything incriminating. I was very much struck by surprice of something like this happening. In Uk I've never heard of such tactic being used against citizens like this before, at least not with massage offices. Can somebody please PM me on how I could've handled this situation. Should I have just hung up the phone? Does this happen quite often here in Orland, Fla? Am I completely off the line. I'm a marred man so turning to an escort membership is a bit of a hassle? What are my rights on the phone or in person? From the best of my knowlegde Parlors in Uk have issues but citizens are never questioned.[/QUOTE]
What specific agency contacted you?
What was the person's name?
How did they get your phone number, if you know?
Did you pay by credit card or with cash?
What exact questions did they ask you?
If this does happen to anyone, you need to be the one asking the questions? Why are you calling me? How did you get my number? Is there some issue with the massage studio where I received the massage?
Then, sorry, I am busy right now, what is your name and phone number, I will have to call you back.
When in this kind of situation, remain calm. Other than asking questions, listen more than you talk. Any answers you chose to give should be simple ones. But, remember above all -- you do not have to say anything.
A church I could get into
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International Therapy: I Wanted Satisfaction
Okay, so Tara was a bust (no pun intended), so I wanted to get my MP relaxation. I went to I.T. and got the same girl as last time (C-Cups (my nickname for her)). Nothing special to report: good, thorough T.S., good, light massage. It ended relaxed and happily.
House Fee: $.8 (1 hour)
Tip: $.4
Be safe