General Reports

I am from the Chicago area, and we are lucky to have great establishments. Are there any around your area that you would suggest hitting. Please back channel me with the info!

I'm still a newbie at the hobby, but from what I've seen & done, the AMP route would be a little difficult for two girl action. Even FS with one would probably require more than one visit. After they get to know you, you could probably get it through to them what you want.

If I were you, I would check some escort sites, it would probably cost at least $$$, but they are pretty straight forward and give you an honest picture and limits to what you can expect.

EZ

[QUOTE=Cautious Crazy]If so, is it still a necessity to be covered in the AMPs?[/QUOTE]It is always a necessity to be covered. Period.

[QUOTE=Giani]A friend of mine spent the night in jail recently as a result of an encounter in OTR. He says two good looking ladies approached him. (CAUTION flag goes up for two reasons: 1) they were TOO good looking, and 2) never take on two at a time unless you know both from previous encounters and have full faith... [Is that your little or you big head talking?])

The first apparent SW says, "Do you like big titties?" Sure he says. (Already--this conversation should NOT be held on the street or with "ladies" you do not know.) SW #1 says, "My friend gives the best BJs in the business..." I do not know exactly how he responded, but he DID spend the night in jail... Decoys ARE being deployed and are snagging incautious mongers.

My fellow mongers--the stings are still out there. PLEASE read the rules (or at least have your street smarts well honed.)

Pickings are still slim. MANY SWs I know are in the clink. Don't know the status of Operation Vortex, but LE still is laying traps galore.

Be careful out there,

Giani[/QUOTE]Sorry to hear what happen about your friend Giani. His situation takes me back many, many years ago (pre-internet time) when the same thing happen to me in another city.

I was a real fresh newbie and was talking to what I thought was a regular SW. Like your report this SW was nicely dressed, clean blue-jeans and shoes with a expensive looking blouse. We talked but she never gotten in my car. She asked if I was looking for a "special friend" for tonight. I said "maybe but are you a cop? " She replied "no I'm not a cop" during this conversation she was looking around in the direction behind me. I then asked why she was wearing that beeper on her belt loop. She told me it was to call her "special friends". So we talk and she asked what would I like to do? I said I would like a BJ.

I want to break in on what was occurring above. I was breaking monger rules but at this point LE had nothing on me to bust me.

1: You can't assume just because a SW is good looking is LE. I've monger in many cities where the SW's were very hot looking like in Chicago and New York city. Here in OTR you need to exercise caution but 2 years ago there were plenty of good looking SW's running around OTR area and other places.

2: Asking a SW or any woman you meet anywhere for sex is not a crime. I'll repeat this again, "Asking a Woman for Sex Is Not A Crime"

Let’s look at what goes on in a typical bar on a Friday or Saturday night. Men go to bars looking to get laid. They are looking to have sex with a total stranger. This is totally legal. There are no laws prohibiting a person from having sex with total strangers.

Now back to what happened to me and why I got busted.

When this SW asked me what I wanted and I said a BJ she the asked me for how much? I didn't answered right away and then I asked her how much you charge? The conversation went back and fore like this for a few minutes. At which time nothing was happening. So I said to her. 20 for a BJ and that when LE came down on me.

IMPORTANT POINT HERE: When I had offered a money value to having sex that when I got busted.

Here is the Law 2907. 24 Soliciting No person shall solicit another to engage with such other person in sexual activity for hire.

The law defines prostitution as basically sex for money. The key word is HIRE for sex. If caught it is misdemeanor of the third degree.

At the time of the bust, LE will search you and your car for drugs and anything else to nail you with other charges.

Back then getting busted wasn't as bad as it can be now, especially in Cincinnati. Car is tow and impounded and court fine and possible time served in jail or doing community hours and then there is the John School you go for soliciting a Prostitute. Now I don't know exactly what does happen to you in Cincinnati but other cities have these steps you go through.

Giani, keep us updated on what happens to your friend. I hope he gets a lawyer for when he goes to court.

Also where exactly in OTR did this happen to your friend and what did the decoys look like? Very Important information to share for all.

Giani, I'm rewriting the post I did on Escorts and CL Girls. I like your idea to list a set of working rules to post and have to refer to like the monger rules.

Again everyone, like I said in my post 731 which I had said never talk money, never give a dollar amount, never said I'll pay this or any other way of stating money until you are positive that she is a legit SW or escort and not a decoy.

Long post but very needed or you'll end up like Giani's friend. Any questions or clarifications about this subject from anyone let me know. It's a tough situation to be in and I went through it. I got a lawyer and ended up paying a $ fine and $$$$ for the lawyer. I didn't do jail time or community service or John School and my car was never towed and importantly no record. Like I said that was a long, long time ago when courts weren't as tough as now.

Be Careful out there and keep your MO sharp and focus because LE wants as many bodies they can arrest and put in jail for money. It's a business.

Harpo2U

[QUOTE=Harpo2u]Sorry to hear about that Sproket. There were several red flags before you gave her the money. Also were you in the motel room when you met her or someplace near waiting? Reason I ask is because this "Layna" chick has been ripping off guys left and right. Lets put her out of business.

Thanks for being open about your experience and I do know how it feels to to ripped off like that. So I want to share and give you my pointers for hooking up with CL girls or any Service Providers you meet on the Net.

I've made connections with lots of Servicer Providers long before we had the internet and CraigsList. This was back in the days of Ads in newspapers and yellow-pages before I had gotten into the Net. I've had many successful hookups but had a few bad ones as well. Here's what I basically do to find a good escort service.

When meeting an "escort girl" from CL or web site or even an Ad from the backpages you call or email her you're interested in her services.

Talking on the phone is best and when you do tell her you are interested and like to know more about her service. Ask questions about massages and see if you can get a conversation going. You can get a feel if you want to meet this person. She can be real friendly and talkative or she might be short and rude. I've found this method did help in my decisions.

Very important: NEVER USE THE WORDS "SEX FOR MONEY" either on the phone or in emails.

The difference between escorts and cops is that an escort will avoid any conversation that the transaction is sex for money. A cop will try to get you to say that you are having sex for money. If the escort is using the words "sex for money" she is either very stupid, or she's a cop. If she is avoiding the words "sex for money" or any other similar agreements then she's probably OK.

You might want to call several escort services or independents to get familiar with what is being offered. Understand, though, that they might not be able to fully describe over the phone or in the emails what they do because they don't want to get busted by the law. In other words, if they say they offer "full female companionship, " or a "girl friend experience (gfe)" you're supposed to be sharp enough to figure out that you're going to get laid.

On the phone they won't likely give you a price list of what you get for what money, but you can ask questions like, If I have $200 on me, do you think that would cover everything or do I need to pay extra for tip? This will give you a ballpark idea of what you'll be paying. Make sure that there are no extra charges or what she ask for in her ads are just the cost of showing up. Very important to ask as many questions. If she doesn't like all these questions, tell her "thanks for your time but I don't want to be rip off and I'll find someone else". Be polite and gentlemanly when talking and you'll get better results when asking questions and she'll be better about you. Remember she doesn't want to get busted herself.

One common misconception about being busted is that you don't actually have to have sex for money to get busted. All you have to do is to agree to have sex for money. So either of you can get busted even if no sex or money changes hands. They do need to get it on tape though. So never say those words and she should never say those words.

She needs to know you're not a cop or a violent weirdo or someone who's going to be trouble. She also needs to let you know that she's expecting you to pay up front, but she can't ask you to give her money for sex, because that would be prostitution, and that's not what she does.

If you go to her place or to motel where she's at, there should be no reason she doesn't have a room all set up and ready to meet you. If that's not the case, walk away and don't say anything. Some ladies ask you to call from the car when you are outside, and others are happy to tell you in advance where you are coming. When you get to the door, knock on it. Don't stand around outside and be nervous. DO NOT cause attention. Look as if you belong there.

All legit service providers will want references and they do this in different ways so that you're not a cop or weirdo. You will have to refer to her site to know what she is looking for. This is a good sign that she's not LE herself.

Remember there are plenty of sites to check out the girls to see if she's a good provider or a rip off. Like TER is one of them.

Also you can use this site to check the phone or cell number to see if it's a cop line. You wouldn't believe the stings would use a number listed to some police stations. Here's the site to check numbers: [url]http://www.anywho.com/qry/wp_rl[/url]

Once you are in and both know you're not LE is the money exchange.

When she opens the door, come in. Let her shut the door and then you can greet one another. Most of the ladies I know will lead from this point. Lay the envelope with the money on a table. Allow her to see it but do not make a comment about it. * Do not try to talk about services and what she is going to do for you. Just let the time you are together happen naturally. Again NEVER USE THE WORDS "SEX FOR MONEY". It's a legal thing: You're not really giving her the money for sex.

But. She should not get the money and then need to leave the room to get something. One thing that can happen is that she gets paid. Then says she forgot the condoms in her car. And then drives away. This can happen to you and there's not a lot you can do about it. But you should ask her to leave the money if she needs to go out of the room. This is a bad sign if she does.

However, many women don't buy the best condoms, so if you have a brand you like, buy your own and offer to use your condoms. It will save her from having to use one of hers. It will also avoid an awkward delay if she forgets to bring one and would otherwise have to leave and run to the store to get one. I always keep a tube of KY Jelly when I meet an escort. Lubrication is good. Although the escort is supposed to bring these supplies it's a good idea that you have your own. I've had several escorts show up and forget to bring things so don't count on them having their act together.

Once everything is fine, she will ask you if you want to "get comfortable. " This means "are you ready to have sex? " Your job now is to lead her to the bedroom and get naked. To protect herself legally, she will wait until the client is naked before she undresses. Then have a good time. If you had a good time, some guys leave a tip. That is your choice! It is a good way to show her you were happy with her services, and she will most likely remember you with a*SMILE the next time!

NOW about this Layna Rip off chick. Here is her number 513-546-6238.

In the past, some of us guys had a buddy that would watch the motel for us while inside with the provider. Then we would switch and do the same for the other guy. It's a good system and you have to trust each other and it works great.

Long post but I've cut it down as short as I could with the important points. In my opinion, Craigslist girls are a real roll the dice and better to find an independent with some good references. Right now anything under 2. 00 is not GFE and lousy service or worst a rip off scam. Do your research with all the info on the web there's no reason to find a great provider if you want to spend some serious money.

Last, here are Layna's pictures. I hope you guys call and tell her she is busted and post reviews at CL on her. Let all the CL girls know we don't tolerate rip offs and cash & dash.

Harpo2U[/QUOTE]


I saw Layna back in the summer time. She tried a cash and dash on me but since she came to my room I started right off with stripping her top off and sucking her big tits. I fingered her till she almost came then fed her some man-bone. This must have distracted her enough that she forgot to grab the cash I set on the far side of the room next to the window.

She grabbed her shirt and pulled it on and said she had to get some "condoms" from her car. Never saw her again, guess she forgot that I had not paid yet.

[QUOTE=Darrell01]Never saw her again, guess she forgot that I had not paid yet.[/QUOTE]
That is fucking hilarious! She looks like she has a real nice pair, too bad she's the cash and dash type.

I am always glad to see new posters on the Cincy board, including yours. My only problem is that you included a VERY lengthy quote with your post which did not mention Layna, the subject of your post, except in the very last few paragraphs. (Yes, Harpo2u DID include some pix of Layna--thanks Harpo!)

The original post by Harpo2u was quite valuable, but your inclusion of the ENTIRE post was mainly annoying. Do you know that you can delete unrelated material from the post to which you are replying? We all would be grateful not to have to scroll down through multiple unrelated screens to see what the post is about.

From the resident curmudgeon,

Giani

P.S. Weren't you in fact replying to Sprocket's post:
[url]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=593361&postcount=726[/url]
This would have been the related quote to include.

P.P.S. If you act quickly, you can edit your post to delete the excessive quoted material. Merely click on edit at the lower right of the screen of your post. If you are successful at deleting the material, I will be happy to delete this entire post!

[QUOTE=Darrell01]I saw Layna back in the summer time. She tried a cash and dash on me but since she came to my room I started right off with s tripping her top off and sucking her big tits. I fingered her till she almost came then fed her some man-bone. This must have distracted her enough that she forgot to grab the cash I set on the far side of the room next to the window.

She grabbed her shirt and pulled it on and said she had to get some "condoms" from her car. Never saw her again, guess she forgot that I had not paid yet.[/QUOTE]

This happened several years ago, and in review it is very strange compared to now and the way things are.

During the better days of hunting in Walnut Hills, I use to have a lot of luck around McMillian and Gilbert, down to Wm. Hw. Taft. At the Taft location there use to be a guy who would drive up and drop off from his car, a small two door car three to four girls to work the area. They were all Very Attractive, Sexz, and Well Dressed (in High Heels). At the time they wanted fifty for FS, and at the time that was very expensive for the area and time.

Of the ladies there was one thick, light skin young girl, about 5'3", and very attractive, with wavy hair to her shoulders. I found her to be to my liking and at the time I had to take the time. I decided to pay her price and we went to the area Notel for a room. She was everything I wanted and more, and had MAD Skillz in everything. And she had some of the Prettiest Legz & Feet, I had ever seen on any woman. We did the deed and I drove her back to the location. We exchanged numbers, and she went back to the car, and then waited around there for the next drive up.

I had seen her there at least three time before I finally picked her up. She was in great demand so one had to be FAST. They would be at any location according to her for 2 hours or less, according to the traffic up to them. I only got with the other girls with her every now and then, or as a threesome.

Now this all happened before the time of everyone with a cell, and giving out cell numbers. I noted that when she told me to call her, she always said ask for a certain person. Thinking that was her PIMP, I called after we had been together on the 4th time.

Here is the deal, when I called, it sounded more like I was calling an office, more than a persons home. I call the first time and asked for this person, and the person answering, told me they was NOT there, but I could leave a number for him. I was not leaving any number until I could know more. This happened twice, then I started calling from a Phone Booth, and leaving that number. I had a friend who had a phone booth at the corner of his house, and we could see it clearly from his porch. Anyway, never did anything happen.

When next I saw her she opps in questioning her, and I found out she never knew I called, and then said the place was a phone answering business. Well, I was not the only one of my friends who saw her/them from time to time becoz, they went to other locations too including OTR/WE/LPH. We talked about it because everyone got about the same results. So we called and asked for an Officer So-in-So, and the person answering told us that they did not have any officer here by that name, but they could give us another Officer. We were then shocked at what was going on. For a while we thought the Cops were trickin out girls.

I think it was a set up to get men to give a number, and set up a meeting, so they could then Tape you at their location and the arrest you. That sounds like Entrapment Big Time. I could not tell if anyone got trapped, but I left her/them alone after that. I know she was not trying to get people caught just on her/their own. Especially since we were playing them more than the average SW for that area and/or time. A few of us almost skipped up and gave that call back number. I think a few did, but they won't admit it, and nothing happened to them as I know of if they did.

That just seemed to be just an "EXTREME" form of trying to arrest men. I mean, how could they get away with it. A good Attorney would get the charges dismissed. They had to be hoping the Men would want to keep the situation "QUIET" and just take a plea, and pay a large fine, or other cost.

Has anyone else been Entrapped like this. This was before the CL was popular and before Jackson took over the another forum. I know now they would never set that kind of trap, or us real SW in that way.

Folks will get Seriously Hurt now.

And on the street, those girl would be Marked for Harm or Death. Remember the SW that told on the Police who was Stabbed, Shot, and then Burned and left for dead, for she did not die right away, according to the neighborhood grapevine, but die at the hospital. That is still Unsolved!

If you can't post your event, situation, circumstances, then PM me. I know people out there have been caught up in some weird and wild traps. Did you fight it, or just keep it low key and pay it out.

This has bother our group for years, trying to come up with what was really going on.

Please Feel Free to Add To It. Please Do.

This happened during the Late Spring of 2002, near the corner of Liberty and Walnut. One of our Local Attorney's was on the radio talking about defending a client, and having the charges dropped over the event.

A man was walking home from work which he did everyday, and one the the white police decoys was at the corner and approached him about getting serviced. He thought for a moment and they said "No Thanks." As he was walking aways she jumped in front of him again and made more offers. Each time he thought about it and she "No Thanks."

Then she tried even harder, and followed him down the street for a block, pass the bar on the left, near 14th or 15th street. After about 15-20 of trying to get him to agree, she finally got her price down to $5. He then said, here lady, I'll give you five bucks, if you need it that bad. No need for a Rain Check, just call it even. He gave her the Money and before he could get a half block away the Cops arrested him. CRAZY YES !!!!

The cops want him to plead out, but he would not and got a lawyer. The Attorney had to almost sue the cops for the tapes, even after asking for "Disclosure". The attorney was amazed after he heard the tapes, and asked for the charges to be dismissed. Of course they refused, because the Female Decoy had lied in her statements, regardless of the tape. Pressing the issue right up to Court, and over 10 plead offers for less, they finally dismissed the charges, only because Judge made them. Now, he is suing the CPD/HCSD for his arrest and jailing. That is just CRAZY .... and the man had NO Police Record, None ! They were willing to go just that far.

Oh by the way Nothing Happened to the Lying Female Officer, and the Lying Vice Squad Crew.

And to date No Apology from Anyone, for Anything. He will be getting an Out-of-Court Settlement. The amount was NOT givin. He will be able to get a New Car Now, instead of walking thanks to the CPD/HCSD.

Saw some new faces around on Elm St. Kind of wish I didn't though! Another thing, you can't really tell what their bodies look like underneath all of the heavy winter clothing. Maybe the city can put up heaters on the corners, like the kind you find around the valet stands!

The last time I was in town, I was down by State and W. 8th.

I used to work down in that area, and I was just driving around looking at the place I used to work. Since then I have moved to Detroit (proudly the most dangerous city in the country, Cincinnati eat your heart out).

I was heading on state pointing south and this nice little spinner asks for a ride, and says someone is chasing her. So she hops in the car and we take off up the hill towards PH. Did the check, agreed on a jackson and it was pretty good. No rush, no BS. The only thing that I could complain about was she had some acne and my fingers smelled a little funky.

I am back once again for the holidays and I will probably hit the streets and see who is crazy enough (besides me) to be out and about tonight. I expect little or nothing as Sinsinnati has too much time on it's hands worrying about the street action when the jail is already full. Why not worry about people that rob houses, kill people, and other stuff. Quite frankly it's one of the reasons I left. Detroit may be dangerous, but in all honesty it has WAY more to offer than Cincy. I am sad to say that, but with 3 casinos (all downtown) 1 in Windsor, 20+ strip clubs, a baseball, hockey, football, womens basketball, mens basketball teams, and so on, there is always something to do without leaving the city.

I miss my old town, but not enough to come back for good.

I hate to report this embarrassing situation of my friend but he had grown complacent in his hunting for SW and hadn't been burned in years. Tonight, however, was a different story. He picks up a SW named "Stacy". She says that she has a room at The Cove motel. My friend doesn't want to go there but the last time he spent a night there it was quite pleasant so eventually he gives in. She assures him that he can check the room out completely before anything happens. She says all her stuff is there because her house burned down and she is saving money to get her husband out of jail. So my friend goes into the room with the girl and indeed it does look like she had moved in there. The girl had previously stated that she had been living there for a couple of weeks. It did appear that this was the case. She asks my friend what he would like and he stated a BJ. My friend again did something really stupid and laid $20 on the table. She told him to lie down on the recliner. While he unbuttoned his pants a large Mexican came into the room claiming to wonder what the hell was going on. Of course, my friend immediately knew what was going on because he had read a similar story from a different city, maybe Dayton, not sure. The girl behind him locked the door. So instead of creating a ordeal out of this and possibly getting into an altercation, my friend took the remaining $15 out of his wallet and said it was all he had and the Mexican let him by. My friend never carries more than he is willing to lose and had a second wallet just in case. He was out $35 and didn't get harmed and lived another day to report his stupidity and the description of the girl to the rest of you mongers. Never ever let the girl chose the place. NEVER!

She and her Mexican thug are currently residing in The Cove room 111. It's the middle section and the room is located in the back right corner.

Description of the girl.

She is about 5'3" 140lbs. She is probably around 25 but looks much younger from a distance. She was wearing her brown hair back. She has a cute face. Her stomach is a little chubby and has good size breasts. If you pick her up and she insists on going back to a room, get her out of your car.

WeedMan, in this case your friend should have made an "A" call to Hamilton Vice or the area District Police, and reported them. Believe me, enough calls or complaints, and they will put a Snatch and Grab on them, with their own decoys.

People this ain't "SNITCHIN", this is a matter of Protection. You never have to give them Police a Name as long as you are not calling 911. So make the call.

Hell, I have done it many times and will continue to. And Yes, the cops do go after them. It is an easy arrest, and helps the stats.

If I am not mistaken, the Hamilton Sheriff is HELL on Mexicans up there. If that is an illegal, he will soon be paying more money (Your Friends Money) to recross the border. As for the girl her ass will be unprotected and left open to the folks she crossed paths with. She will be paying back more than Money.

VICE loves those calls where they can easily nab someone before a real incident happens, or even something worse. Hamilton has a bad enough reputation.

People make the call, look the Local number up in the Phone Book, go to a Pay Phone if you don't want to use your cell or home phone. Still, make the call, and turn their Asses in.

You will be doing the next guy a great favor as well as getting your own bit of satisfaction.

Still, you will be out of the money you lost. Can't get that Back!

[QUOTE=Weedman]I hate to report this embarrassing situation of my friend but he had grown complacent in his hunting for SW and hadn't been burned in years. Tonight, however, was a different story. He picks up a SW named "Stacy". She says that she has a room at The Cove motel. My friend doesn't want to go there but the last time he spent a night there it was quite pleasant so eventually he gives in. She assures him that he can check the room out completely before anything happens. She says all her stuff is there because her house burned down and she is saving money to get her husband out of jail. So my friend goes into the room with the girl and indeed it does look like she had moved in there. The girl had previously stated that she had been living there for a couple of weeks. It did appear that this was the case. She asks my friend what he would like and he stated a BJ. My friend again did something really stupid and laid $20 on the table. She told him to lie down on the recliner. While he unbuttoned his pants a large Mexican came into the room claiming to wonder what the hell was going on. Of course, my friend immediately knew what was going on because he had read a similar story from a different city, maybe Dayton, not sure. The girl behind him locked the door. So instead of creating a ordeal out of this and possibly getting into an altercation, my friend took the remaining $15 out of his wallet and said it was all he had and the Mexican let him by. My friend never carries more than he is willing to lose and had a second wallet just in case. He was out $35 and didn't get harmed and lived another day to report his stupidity and the description of the girl to the rest of you mongers. Never ever let the girl chose the place. NEVER!

She and her Mexican thug are currently residing in The Cove room 111. It's the middle section and the room is located in the back right corner.

Description of the girl.

She is about 5'3" 140lbs. She is probably around 25 but looks much younger from a distance. She was wearing her brown hair back. She has a cute face. Her stomach is a little chubby and has good size breasts. If you pick her up and she insists on going back to a room, get her out of your car.[/QUOTE]

I agree Boombastic. This is supposed to be business trasnaction. And what do people do when they have a hard time with a business...they call the BBB. In this case, the police are the BBB. You can remain anonymous as well. Turn their lousy asses in and keep it safer for all of us!

I saw an ad at [url]http: //citybeat.com/current/adult.shtml[/url]. The ad headline was BUSINESSMEN Private body rubs. I called the number and a very rude woman answered. That should have been my first hint. She was put off because I called her when she was at the bar. Another hint this wasn't a good thing. I asked for the rate of a massage for a Sunday and she told me she didn't know since she didn't know which ad I was looking at. I asked for directions and told her that it would take me roughly 30 mins to get there. She was horrible with directions. She wanted me to call her when I was on her street. She told me she was in a condo. Fifteen minutes into the drive and she calls me using a different number and asks where I am. I told her the drive takes 30 mins and I couldn't go any faster. Ten minutes later I get called again and this time she was using a restricted number. How many phones does she have! She told me that she didn't think I was going to show (25 minutes after the first inititial setup call) and she went back to the bar. She told me to get to her street and wait for her and that she should arrive in 10 minutes. Well I go to the street and while I was driving on it I called her and asked for directions. She asked me which street I was on and I told her. She told me it was the xx number driveway. She wouldn't tell me the condo/house number. Just wanted me to count the driveways to her place. Wait. These are all houses. What happened to the condo? I told her I had to turn around (which took about 60 seconds). She told me I was wasting her time and she was calling it off. This all occurred within 40 minutes of the setup call. She kept telling me I was wasting her time and she was very orderly and wanted everything to go smoothly. Anyway, I did a search on the other phone number she called me at and I found another ad. Here is the URL:

[url]http://www.classifiedads.com/services-ad601926.htm[/url]