Bullshit that has Nothing to do With Pussy

[QUOTE=Fit312;5264358]Whatever the ultimate facts are in this case, people tend to twist themselves into knots when it comes to racial matters. I guess it's sort of a perverse triumph of liberalism that people seem to attach a greater stigma to racism than murder.[/QUOTE]I think one issue here is that in the current political climate, the term racism is liberally ascribed to the actions of white people, many times warranted, and yet many times not. While at the same time, actions taken by minority groups, which can be objectively called racist in nature do not receive the same attention or scrutiny or even the same designation.

Anti-Asian hatred has indeed elevated since the time the virus began. This is documented and wholly accepted as fact. However, overwhelmingly, the perpetrators of hateful actions against Asians in this country are themselves minorities which is why it has flown largely under the radar in the mainstream media, aside from some notable examples such as the story in the NBA of somebody calling Jeramy Lin "Coronavirus". And even then, the response was muted. Had it been a white player who was suspected of saying it, he would have been ran out of the league. Likewise, in the case of Dallas Mavericks star Luka Doncic who was recently called a "***** ass white boy" by an African American player on the court, the media, societal, and league wide response was especially interesting considering what it would have been if the situation was reversed.

I'm not here to defend this pos nor am I particularly interested in making assumptions into his motives which are appear to be driven by an unstable mind. However, it really does seem in this case that the motive was already decided on the day of the attacks by the mainstream media and a collection of Asian-American celebrities and twitterati who needed an opportunity to express the frustrations of dealing with increased Asian-American hatred over the past year due to the coronavirus. That opportunity arose in a politically convenient situation (white perpetrator) and the floodgates opened.

You make some good points about racism being perhaps used as a motive more often than is warranted specifically to raise the temperature of a debate. However, I disagree with one thing you said in particular. The highest profile "cancelation" due to anti-Asian comments was actually a black woman, Alexi McCammond. She lost her job as the new Teen Vogue editor over 2011 tweets that were seen as anti-Asian. Nobody is immune.

[QUOTE=ApplePiePussy;5265098]I think one issue here is that in the current political climate, the term racism is liberally ascribed to the actions of white people, many times warranted, and yet many times not. While at the same time, actions taken by minority groups, which can be objectively called racist in nature do not receive the same attention or scrutiny or even the same designation.

Anti-Asian hatred has indeed elevated since the time the virus began. This is documented and wholly accepted as fact. However, overwhelmingly, the perpetrators of hateful actions against Asians in this country are themselves minorities which is why it has flown largely under the radar in the mainstream media, aside from some notable examples such as the story in the NBA of somebody calling Jeramy Lin "Coronavirus". And even then, the response was muted. Had it been a white player who was suspected of saying it, he would have been ran out of the league. Likewise, in the case of Dallas Mavericks star Luka Doncic who was recently called a "***** ass white boy" by an African American player on the court, the media, societal, and league wide response was especially interesting considering what it would have been if the situation was reversed.

I'm not here to defend this pos nor am I particularly interested in making assumptions into his motives which are appear to be driven by an unstable mind. However, it really does seem in this case that the motive was already decided on the day of the attacks by the mainstream media and a collection of Asian-American celebrities and twitterati who needed an opportunity to express the frustrations of dealing with increased Asian-American hatred over the past year due to the coronavirus. That opportunity arose in a politically convenient situation (white perpetrator) and the floodgates opened.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jinurso;5265188]You make some good points about racism being perhaps used as a motive more often than is warranted specifically to raise the temperature of a debate. However, I disagree with one thing you said in particular. The highest profile "cancelation" due to anti-Asian comments was actually a black woman, Alexi McCammond. She lost her job as the new Teen Vogue editor over 2011 tweets that were seen as anti-Asian. Nobody is immune.[/QUOTE]But the fact that the headlines read "Resigns" and "Part ways" instead of "Fired" or "Terminated" does not strengthen your rebuttal and in fact strengthens my original point. If she was white, they would have shit canned her. They would have made sure she never works again period.

Look I get that a lot of this is based on misguided attempts to right the wrongs of the past. But creating double standards and engaging in hypocrisy does not improve race relations. It only makes it worse.

Asian Americans have been dealing with prejudice and racism since the first Chinese laborers came over to build the country's railroads. The reason why it has taken so long to come under scrutiny is because Asians, by and large, are more successful per capita than other races. And so society has hesitated to call them victims because we base everything on wealth. Not only that but failed policies like Affirmative Action which were intended to get more Black and Brown students into Ivy League schools have come at the expense of Asian-American applicants whose applications are being rejected despite having superior academic credentials. This makes race relations worse, not better. The better answer is investment in inner city schools and neighborhoods. But this is an escort forum and this is a discussion for another time and another place.

Has it occurred to any of you discussing what happened in Atlanta that you are doing the same things you criticize the media for. Which is making assumptions before knowing the facts? The ironic thing is that t would think that people on this site would understand what is going on better than most in the media. We have many members that have been to AMPs and know what they are. I tend to agree with those that don't believe what he did was racist. But I don't know for sure. I never met the guy. The possibilities are many. Did he get tossed out of places for asking for too much? Was he not able to negotiate the price he wanted for extras? Did some girl piss him off and bruise his ego? How was he doing sexwise away from the spas? Was he not getting any anywhere else and trying to take it out on spa girls? Forget the media, guys! We know the situation better than most media people. But none of us knows the killer. But I'll bet we all know someone very passed off and frustrated, either personally or through this forum.

By the way, has anyone noted the irony. These were AMPs. The girls were sex workers. I'm not saying the girls were bad. They may have been brought over here as sex slaves. They may not have even knows why they were coming. They have been promised one thing and ended up in the spas instead. But now they are practically heroes in the eyes of the media because of all the attacks everywhere on Asians. To me, there are no heroes in this story. The girls may have been victimized by being brought here as sex slaves long before getting killed. How many times in the past few years has the media gone on crusades against the sex industry? But the media has never missed a chance to take political advantage of a situation, whether or not they know the facts or even care about the facts.

[QUOTE=ApplePiePussy;5265283]But the fact that the headlines read "Resigns" and "Part ways" instead of "Fired" or "Terminated" does not strengthen your rebuttal and in fact strengthens my original point. If she was white, they would have shit canned her. They would have made sure she never works again period.

Look I get that a lot of this is based on misguided attempts to right the wrongs of the past. But creating double standards and engaging in hypocrisy does not improve race relations. It only makes it worse.

Asian Americans have been dealing with prejudice and racism since the first Chinese laborers came over to build the country's railroads. The reason why it has taken so long to come under scrutiny is because Asians, by and large, are more successful per capita than other races. And so society has hesitated to call them victims because we base everything on wealth. Not only that but failed policies like Affirmative Action which were intended to get more Black and Brown students into Ivy League schools have come at the expense of Asian-American applicants whose applications are being rejected despite having superior academic credentials. This makes race relations worse, not better. The better answer is investment in inner city schools and neighborhoods. But this is an escort forum and this is a discussion for another time and another place.[/QUOTE]Disgraced public figures regularly "quit to spend more time with their family. " It's such a common phrase that it's become a punchline. Chris Harrison himself said he was "stepping away" to "learn from the experience. ".

We all know what that really means.

Also, nobody who is "canceled" for saying racist or sexist things ever stays canceled. They lay low for a year or two and then resurface. Chris Harrison is taking the season off and then he'll be back. Nobody ever "never works again" because of what they tweeted, no matter what what race.

[QUOTE=Ump1969;5265319]Has it occurred to any of you discussing what happened in Atlanta that you are doing the same things you criticize the media for. Which is making assumptions before knowing the facts? The ironic thing is that t would think that people on this site would understand what is going on better than most in the media. We have many members that have been to AMPs and know what they are. I tend to agree with those that don't believe what he did was racist. But I don't know for sure. I never met the guy. The possibilities are many. Did he get tossed out of places for asking for too much? Was he not able to negotiate the price he wanted for extras? Did some girl piss him off and bruise his ego? How was he doing sexwise away from the spas? Was he not getting any anywhere else and trying to take it out on spa girls? Forget the media, guys! We know the situation better than most media people. But none of us knows the killer. But I'll bet we all know someone very passed off and frustrated, either personally or through this forum.

By the way, has anyone noted the irony. These were AMPs. The girls were sex workers. I'm not saying the girls were bad. They may have been brought over here as sex slaves. They may not have even knows why they were coming. They have been promised one thing and ended up in the spas instead. But now they are practically heroes in the eyes of the media because of all the attacks everywhere on Asians. To me, there are no heroes in this story. The girls may have been victimized by being brought here as sex slaves long before getting killed. How many times in the past few years has the media gone on crusades against the sex industry? But the media has never missed a chance to take political advantage of a situation, whether or not they know the facts or even care about the facts.[/QUOTE]If you want to really dig down, you'll find 1934-'38 to 1968 federal gun control legislation passed into law, versus 1986 to present gun law liberalization.

This troubled kid was able to buy a 9 mm on the spot with no waiting period in Georgia. Fuck that with the "how would that law have stopped him?" arguments. It's 30-years of loosening federal and state laws and the Supreme Court ruling municipal regulations unconstitutional. It's not just one "law," it's 30-cumulative years of dozens of freewheeling gun legislation.

I can't fathom how those concerned with this Forum's subject matter could find common cause with gun fucks.

He was a fucked up religious wacko who went to AMPs. It's racially motivated to the extent that a lot of guys believe the myth that Asian women are a special variety of pussy, "me love you long time," etc. He could have lit up a bunch of orange tanned strippers but he didn't.

[QUOTE=Il630;5263532]The simpler explanation is that he had a sexual addiction and this was his way of attacking it. I think someone has to go through more mental gymnastics to prove this was racially-motivated. If it was racially-motivated why did he kill one Hispanic male customer and one white female customer? Yes, white female. She was there with her husband for a couples massage. Also, if you read the Atlanta board you will see that one of these Asian massage parlors often had Latina therapists working.[/QUOTE]

"Anti-Asian hatred has indeed elevated since the time the virus began. This is documented and wholly accepted as fact. ".

LOL, perhaps accepted as an, ahem, "fact", in your mind but you do not know the minds of others, you can only speak for yourself and express your opinion. There has been concern regarding the role of the Chinese government, but this is separate from the Chinese people whom they rule and oppress. This concern regarding the Chinese government is because of their actions, not their race. If a different race acted the same we would have the same concern regarding their actions, regardless of their race. I understand that it can be confusing if you spend any time watching mainstream news or reading social media.

[QUOTE=Amplitude;5265529]If you want to really dig down, you'll find 1934-'38 to 1968 federal gun control legislation passed into law, versus 1986 to present gun law liberalization.

This troubled kid was able to buy a 9 mm on the spot with no waiting period in Georgia. Fuck that with the "how would that law have stopped him?" arguments. It's 30-years of loosening federal and state laws and the Supreme Court ruling municipal regulations unconstitutional. It's not just one "law," it's 30-cumulative years of dozens of freewheeling gun legislation.

I can't fathom how those concerned with this Forum's subject matter could find common cause with gun fucks.[/QUOTE]Guns don't kill people, people kill people. If you took all of the guns away he would have found a knife or a brick. Government does not have a record of solving social problems. Right, so after they shut us down and take our jobs away lets take all of their guns away so they can't defend themselves then we can take ALL of their money.

These government control fucks that are in favor of an oppressive government over we the people must have some perverted control hang-up started in childhood when they were picked on by the other kids (I certainly get that impression with Jerry Nadler anyway.) They must be void of any compassion or soul to want to side with an oppressive government and against the individual liberties of people.

[QUOTE=Desparado;5266315]"Anti-Asian hatred has indeed elevated since the time the virus began. This is documented and wholly accepted as fact. ".

LOL, perhaps accepted as an, ahem, "fact", in your mind but you do not know the minds of others, you can only speak for yourself and express your opinion. There has been concern regarding the role of the Chinese government, but this is separate from the Chinese people whom they rule and oppress. This concern regarding the Chinese government is because of their actions, not their race. If a different race acted the same we would have the same concern regarding their actions, regardless of their race. I understand that it can be confusing if you spend any time watching mainstream news or reading social media.[/QUOTE]Great points! And since the actions of a government should be judged separately from the actions of its people, then surely you agree that we should stand against the well documented spike in anti-asian crime. Right?

[QUOTE=PghTraveler;5265704]He was a fucked up religious wacko who went to AMPs. It's racially motivated to the extent that a lot of guys believe the myth that Asian women are a special variety of pussy, "me love you long time," etc. He could have lit up a bunch of orange tanned strippers but he didn't.[/QUOTE][blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue] one of the repeated items is the perp may have had a sexual addiction. That means HE being a nut job, lashed out at what he felt was causing it, or perpetuating it.

That is not racially based. He liked getting sex or HJ at an massage parlor so he went after the workers for their contributing to his problem, not their nationality. But, we still don't truly know the whole story yet. Not every crime where a minority is the victim is the perp motivated by racial animus.

[blue]The part I redacted has nothing at all to do with the issue you're talking about and will do nothing but inflame the thread. If you want to do that use the fight thread. I'm not commenting in any way on the rightness nor wrongness of what you posted, I don't even know what it was, I just know what it would do and that it has no bearing on the shooting in Atlanta.

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[QUOTE=Jinurso;5266367]Great points! And since the actions of a government should be judged separately from the actions of its people, then surely you agree that we should stand against the well documented spike in anti-asian crime. Right?[/QUOTE]If that is your sweet spot then why cloud the issue with whether something is or isn't "well-documented" by a particular space in media? Or if it applies to a certain race more than others? Why do you want to bring up race if your concern is crime? Why qualify it that way? Why wouldn't you want to stand against ANY crime, Asian or otherwise. Yes, I think we should stand against crime and support the rule of law and apply it equally.

[QUOTE=Desparado;5266386]If that is your sweet spot then why cloud the issue with whether something is or isn't "well-documented" by a particular space in media? Or if it applies to a certain race more than others? Why do you want to bring up race if your concern is crime? Why qualify it that way? Why wouldn't you want to stand against ANY crime, Asian or otherwise. Yes, I think we should stand against crime and support the rule of law and apply it equally.[/QUOTE]Criminal investigators segment crime and look for trends and patterns and don't just lump everything from jaywalking to murder into one bucket called "crime". Different types of crime have different motives. Address the motive and you address the crime. If you can identify an emerging pattern sooner, you can minimize it before it spreads beyond our ability to control. Anti-asian crime is a spiking criminal trend. Supporting law and order means looking at these trends and putting out the fire early and not late.

This is true with crimes of all types against all people. Anti-asian crime just happens to be the topic of discussion on this board.

[QUOTE=Desparado;5266336]Guns don't kill people, people kill people. If you took all of the guns away he would have found a knife or a brick. Government does not have a record of solving social problems. Right, so after they shut us down and take our jobs away lets take all of their guns away so they can't defend themselves then we can take ALL of their money.

These government control fucks that are in favor of an oppressive government over we the people must have some perverted control hang-up started in childhood when they were picked on by the other kids (I certainly get that impression with Jerry Nadler anyway.) They must be void of any compassion or soul to want to side with an oppressive government and against the individual liberties of people.[/QUOTE]Your entire reply avoids the public policy history I laid out. I guess mid 20th century America was pretty "oppressive. " Funnier still are the "non oppressors" you favor when it comes to guns right up your ass in jail when it comes to this hobby.

[QUOTE=Desparado;5266336]Guns don't kill people, people kill people. If you took all of the guns away he would have found a knife or a brick. Government does not have a record of solving social problems. Right, so after they shut us down and take our jobs away lets take all of their guns away so they can't defend themselves then we can take ALL of their money.

These government control fucks that are in favor of an oppressive government over we the people must have some perverted control hang-up started in childhood when they were picked on by the other kids (I certainly get that impression with Jerry Nadler anyway.) They must be void of any compassion or soul to want to side with an oppressive government and against the individual liberties of people.[/QUOTE]Follow-Up question: who would be more likely to vote in favor of the decriminalization of prostitution? Jerry Nadler or Ted Cruz? The "statist" or the pro gun fuck?