Rants and Raves

[QUOTE=AtlHobbyist67;3334023]Ain't that the bloody truth. Some, however will learn if they stay in the game long enough, unfortunately, they are replaced with new shithaids at a faster rate than they are learning. It's too bad we can't start a marketing campaign for hobbyists like an "exclusive" website for simps. It would have to be expensive so they think it's legit, and it would only have to have a few pages like the pages here. FAQs Definitions, appropriate rates, common defenses against GPS. Etc. Hmmm, maybe there's a way to capitalize on this after all!.[/QUOTE]This website is supposed to be about fellow mongers assisting each other in navigating the sex trade maze. Men of every age, race, income level, etc all share their experiences on this board. Nothing is gained by flaming each other. I may be angry at those who insist on bare services because they readily spread disease that endangers us 'safe' mongers. But I don't call them childish names on this board. Much of the monger bashing I see here seems to be due to class envy and nothing else. Some can afford more than others. Personally I don't patronize women who charge $40. But I don't use the anonymity this forum provides to chastise those who do. The unnecessary rude comments I see hear speak volumes about those who make them. Now let's all have fun.

[QUOTE=JohnnyMapalo;3335701]What are my eyes reading here. Guys giving unfriendly chics more money to become friendlier? Really? Who's the consumer here? You advertise your services on the world wide web and I as a consumer must pay you more money to turn that frown you came to the door with, into a smile? Wow! Do I have to pay my barber a tip upfront for him to cut my hair correctly. Likewise, do I have to pay a car salesman a gratuity fee beforehand so he doesn't sell me a lemon. Dude, why do some of you dudes hold these chics to such lower standard than you would to any other profession? Why do these chics need to be babied and pampered and befriended for you to get good services from them?

Unless someone's putting a gun to their heads and making them sell their asses, then there should be no reason why I would have to give a chic extra money for her to be friendly. She choosed this job. She placed an ad on the internet out of her own free will. She knew the risk and consequences of her job before she placed an ad on the internet. If she can't handle the heat, get the fuck out of the motel room! This "hobby / lifestyle" isn't for everyone! These chic's are fully aware of what they're doing when they place these ads on the internet. Some of you dude's are pathetic! There's even a guy on another review site that writes bogus / rave reviews on chics he's never seen, just to give these chics some business. How corny? He explained he does that because too many guys give these chics $20 and expect them to give them the world. Really? Corny ass no-life dudes.

Furthermore, erring on the high side does not always guarantee you good service or even better service than someone who erred on the low side. Have you not read the reviews here and on other review boards? I just read a review 15 minutes ago where a guy paid $500/ hour to be with a certain pornstar and her got a CBJ with covered sex only. When he blew his first load, the chic started putting her clothes back on and told him she wanted to talk for his remaining time on the hour. LOL. Good job there for erring on the higher side. LOL. Another chic on that review site charges tricks $800 an hour with everything covered. LOL. All 5 of the reviewers said that they had a good time and would repeat. LOL.

Another guy on this review site a few years back, paid a chic $1,200 for a dinner date and when they got to dinner, chic excused herself to the bathroom and slipped out the backdoor with the stupid horny tricks $1,200 in hand. LOL. What a sucker. So much for those guys erring on the higher side. In actuality, how much more you pay doesn't mean jack shit. If a chic has no reviews anywhere you better are on the side of caution. In reality, you should be looking for value and the best bang for the buck. Some being corny and putting these chics on such a high pedestool that we now have to pay them to be friendly. Come on dudes, that so damn corny and simpish. We're the consumers here. They should be catering to our needs, not the other way around. Grow some nuts![/QUOTE]Never said that you shouldn't be smart with your money. $1200 is ridiculous. I don't even consider such a thing. But if an ad says $150 for an hour, I make it clear that I'm likely to make it $175 if she makes it worth my while. And usually, they do, in one way or another.

Tell a girl who's asking $150 she's only going to get $100, and what's her opinion of you going to be? You're cheap, so why should she go out of the way for you? You're not dealing with a car dealer; this is a person, who, in reality, is giving of herself for your benefit.

You like your system, I like mine. Good luck and stay safe.

[QUOTE=JohnnyMapalo;3335701]What are my eyes reading here. Guys giving unfriendly chics more money to become friendlier? Really? Who's the consumer here? You advertise your services on the world wide web and I as a consumer must pay you more money to turn that frown you came to the door with, into a smile? Wow! Do I have to pay my barber a tip upfront for him to cut my hair correctly. Likewise, do I have to pay a car salesman a gratuity fee beforehand so he doesn't sell me a lemon. Dude, why do some of you dudes hold these chics to such lower standard than you would to any other profession? Why do these chics need to be babied and pampered and befriended for you to get good services from them?

Unless someone's putting a gun to their heads and making them sell their asses, then there should be no reason why I would have to give a chic extra money for her to be friendly. She choosed this job. She placed an ad on the internet out of her own free will. She knew the risk and consequences of her job before she placed an ad on the internet. If she can't handle the heat, get the fuck out of the motel room! This "hobby / lifestyle" isn't for everyone! These chic's are fully aware of what they're doing when they place these ads on the internet. Some of you dude's are pathetic! There's even a guy on another review site that writes bogus / rave reviews on chics he's never seen, just to give these chics some business. How corny? He explained he does that because too many guys give these chics $20 and expect them to give them the world. Really? Corny ass no-life dudes.[/QUOTE]Some guys are natural cucks.

I think they get off on a chick using them as an ATM. There are plenty of guys who enjoy being subservient and humiliated by women.

I will never understand it, but if they are made of money let them trick it all off at will LOL.

Guys like that are the ones who really ruining the game for everyone else. Once a chick knows she can get high rates for doing the bare minimum, she has ZERO incentive to give good service to the next guy.

Most of those submissive cucks are old guys who are set in their ways. They are used to their wives treating them like garbage, and it became something they like doing.

I can't be too mad at those guys, because they serve a purpose. They help these providers make a VERY comfortable living and go on shopping sprees.

When I'm old, I vow to always maintain a backbone and not get used by a chick, just because she is young and cute.

As a young guy, I smash and pass many of these younger girls for free. That's why I don't see the point in paying an arm and a leg for these chicks. If only I wasn't a young poontang addict LOL.

You'd be surprised how many providers have straight up asked me "why are you doing this?

I know I don't have to, but the compulsion and addiction is real LOL.

Well, mainly I just want very long and pampering BBBJCIM head sessions.

I love the rants and raves section, it really gives me insight into the mind of a older trick.

[QUOTE=Pete1340;3335890] Much of the monger bashing I see here seems to be due to class envy and nothing else. [/QUOTE]This pretty much sums it up. We think you are idiots for paying a chick 300 who is worth 80 so we MUST be jealous. *Shrug*.

[QUOTE=Pete1340;3335890]This website is supposed to be about fellow mongers assisting each other in navigating the sex trade maze. Men of every age, race, income level, etc all share their experiences on this board. Nothing is gained by flaming each other. I may be angry at those who insist on bare services because they readily spread disease that endangers us 'safe' mongers. But I don't call them childish names on this board. Much of the monger bashing I see here seems to be due to class envy and nothing else. Some can afford more than others. Personally I don't patronize women who charge $40. But I don't use the anonymity this forum provides to chastise those who do. The unnecessary rude comments I see hear speak volumes about those who make them. Now let's all have fun.[/QUOTE]Yep, you caught me. Dang, I thought I could get away with being anonymously jealous of all the high class mongers. I can't believe I was so transparent. I'm so embarrassed (in a low class way of course). I hope I didn't offend my "high class" fellow hobbyists too badly. Please understand, it's a low class thing. We just don't know no better. Please understand, 25+ years ago, when I was high class, and paying more for "time" than a provider was worth, I didn't think those who were also ignorant were simple minded (simps). But as I have fallen lower and lower into the monger class system, I have gotten crass and crude, and shamefully quite cynical.

I would like to thank you Pete, you have shown me the error of my ways. I will be much more careful not to insult the stupidity of my high class brethren. Out of pure low class curiosity, could you explain how you "see hear" How does it speak volumes, please, I am not trying to make disparaging remarks about my betters. I'm certain it's a my low class ignorance showing through.

Incidentally, we have called a meeting of the low class to address your anger over those who choose to endanger you 'safe' mongers. We can't have these new condom melting diseases harming the hobbyist elite. I was unaware, that someone having unprotected experiences had such a profound affect on those who have protected fun. Thanks for pointing that out. I confess, I'm a bit ignorant about these things, maybe you would be so kind as to condescend enough to explain how that works, (the spread of disease from the bare class to the covered class). One last thing, could you please post a hierarchy of the class system? I'm pretty low, but I would like to know just where I fit in so I don't anonymously offend my superiors.

[QUOTE=BunnerySgt;3336394]This pretty much sums it up. We think you are idiots for paying a chick 300 who is worth 80 so we MUST be jealous. *Shrug*.[/QUOTE]You worded that EXCELLENTLY!

Some men just just lack comprehension skills. Why would anyone be jealous of a trick?

[QUOTE=Allen981;3335978]Never said that you shouldn't be smart with your money. $1200 is ridiculous. I don't even consider such a thing. But if an ad says $150 for an hour, I make it clear that I'm likely to make it $175 if she makes it worth my while. And usually, they do, in one way or another.

Tell a girl who's asking $150 she's only going to get $100, and what's her opinion of you going to be? You're cheap, so why should she go out of the way for you? You're not dealing with a car dealer; this is a person, who, in reality, is giving of herself for your benefit.

You like your system, I like mine. Good luck and stay safe.[/QUOTE]I think it depends on the quality of the woman and the quality of the man. I have had college friends, who were not junkies, that become part time higher end escorts because they needed money for school etc and most of them even had good grades too. One became a college professor! With people like that, if they say 300/ hr for their time, and you say 150/ hr and show disrespect, you get black listed. That why I stick to UTR girls now because they have not been jaded yet with some POS using intimidation or much worse, force. Hell, if you in deep with a favorite UTR chick, you could get MUCH MORE TIME from her for nothing or even freebies if she likes you.

[QUOTE=AtlHobbyist67;3336687]Yep, you caught me. Dang, I thought I could get away with being anonymously jealous of all the high class mongers. I can't believe I was so transparent. I'm so embarrassed (in a low class way of course). I hope I didn't offend my "high class" fellow hobbyists too badly. Please understand, it's a low class thing. We just don't know no better. Please understand, 25+ years ago, when I was high class, and paying more for "time" than a provider was worth, I didn't think those who were also ignorant were simple minded (simps). But as I have fallen lower and lower into the monger class system, I have gotten crass and crude, and shamefully quite cynical.

I would like to thank you Pete, you have shown me the error of my ways. I will be much more careful not to insult the stupidity of my high class brethren. Out of pure low class curiosity, could you explain how you "see hear" How does it speak volumes, please, I am not trying to make disparaging remarks about my betters. I'm certain it's a my low class ignorance showing through.

Incidentally, we have called a meeting of the low class to address your anger over those who choose to endanger you 'safe' mongers. We can't have these new condom melting diseases harming the hobbyist elite. I was unaware, that someone having unprotected experiences had such a profound affect on those who have protected fun. Thanks for pointing that out. I confess, I'm a bit ignorant about these things, maybe you would be so kind as to condescend enough to explain how that works, (the spread of disease from the bare class to the covered class). One last thing, could you please post a hierarchy of the class system? I'm pretty low, but I would like to know just where I fit in so I don't anonymously offend my superiors.[/QUOTE]Well put, and I bet some of the mongers who gave you shit recently won't truly comprehend what you just said.

[QUOTE=Allen981;3335978]But if an ad says $150 for an hour, I make it clear that I'm likely to make it $175 if she makes it worth my while.

[/QUOTE]That's like going to McDonalds, ordering a number 2, then offering the cashier an extra 2 $ if your food is correct. THE PRICE IS THE PRICE. I swear I will never understand.

[QUOTE=BunnerySgt;3337683]That's like going to McDonalds, ordering a number 2, then offering the cashier an extra 2 $ if your food is correct. THE PRICE IS THE PRICE. I swear I will never understand.[/QUOTE]I feel you bunnery, I think the main problem is that we expect to get what we pay for.

If you tax 60 for HH, give me the full HH. If you tax 150 for HH, give me the full HH.

If you tax 500 for HH, give me the HH!!

I never go for the upsell crap, it's a scam to me.

I hate when a chicks ad quotes a certain rate, but when I get there it's an extra 50 for this or that.

No, everything should be included in your base rate. Especially when your ad does not state limited services.

A simp tries to offer a greater incentive to get his way, but they fail to realize that it doesn't make a difference most of the time.

In my earlier mongering days, a chick on Covington hey quoted me 40 for the qv. Only for me to find out that FS was not included, only CBJ. This was after I handed donation over.

So like a simp, I went back to my car and grabbed an extra 20 and came back.

I had rushed cfs with her and felt like a complete simp. NEVER again! I should have took my chips back and left.

You live and you learn, but some of these fellows are 50+ and still haven't learned.

I guess it's true that older people are set in their ways. Like I said before, simps serve a purpose as food for these "providers".

Let them eat!

[QUOTE=BunnerySgt;3337683]That's like going to McDonalds, ordering a number 2, then offering the cashier an extra 2 $ if your food is correct. THE PRICE IS THE PRICE. I swear I will never understand.[/QUOTE]Do you tip the waitress?

[QUOTE=BunnerySgt;3337683]That's like going to McDonalds, ordering a number 2, then offering the cashier an extra 2 $ if your food is correct. THE PRICE IS THE PRICE. I swear I will never understand.[/QUOTE]It's known as an incentive.

[QUOTE=AaronHamlet;3337764]It's known as an incentive.[/QUOTE]Isn't this my point though? Somebody who is already getting 150 from you needs further incentive to provide the service which was already agreed would be provided for 150?

[QUOTE=Island1981;3337736]Do you tip the waitress?[/QUOTE]People tip based on service level and food quality AFTER they get their dam food. Suckers tip before.

[QUOTE=Allen981;3335978]Never said that you shouldn't be smart with your money. $1200 is ridiculous. I don't even consider such a thing. But if an ad says $150 for an hour, I make it clear that I'm likely to make it $175 if she makes it worth my while. And usually, they do, in one way or another.

Tell a girl who's asking $150 she's only going to get $100, and what's her opinion of you going to be? You're cheap, so why should she go out of the way for you? You're not dealing with a car dealer; this is a person, who, in reality, is giving of herself for your benefit.

You like your system, I like mine. Good luck and stay safe.[/QUOTE]So, you think an extra 25 is going to matter to someone who already intends to rip you for 150.