Your post is reasonable, Luca is not
Dnut- I think what you have said in your post is reasonable, but I think you have missed out on what started this whole thing. I noticed most of Luca's posts are now gone, so here is a short history.
The first time I responded to one of her ads was back in March. Basically she replied that she was asking $$$, so I moved on. For a long while I could easily spot her posts, so I would just skip over them. Occasionally she would change them up, but as soon I realized it was her, I would move on.
THen she started posting multiple ads at a time. One would say she was 25, the other 27. Sometimes she was the Escort from West Chester, other times the insatiable sex kitten. So now it was getting to the point every ad I responded to ended up being her. Then she would do things like post $$ in the ad heading, and then $$$ with the reply.
When the same girl posts three ads a day, and each one looks like a completely different girl, alot of time gets wasted emailing back and forth. So finally I told her that I didn't want to waste her time, and I asked if she could be a little more clear in her ads. She baiscally responded that I could go pound salt, but for awhile she did start placing the $$$ in her ads.
But last week it was back to the same. Multiple ads, misleading ads, and so forth. After getting caught in a few of her ads again, I asked her again to start being more clear with her ads. She again told me to basically pound salt. She also threw in some insults about me not being able to afford her blah blah blah.
Now keep in mind- at this point I've never flagged her, or said anything publicly about her. I can afford a $$$ girl, but I choose not to. Its like how I drive a Toyota instead of Lexus, but choose platinum over gold. Some things are worth the extra dollar, other things not.
About this time, she started posting messages about her getting flagged. Calling all guys on the site ugly losers, etc. I think she did this about 2 or 3 days in a row, and then that a-hole posted his message that attacked her in ways I don't approve of. I don't know what set him off, but if his experience was the same as mine, I have an idea.
SO- is she a good escort, probably. But I could care less. If she hadn't been so misleading, I'd never had responded to her ads. If she used the site the same way the other girls do, she wouldn't have attracted attention. But she directly insulted me, and in general every guy who enjoys the services of the working girls. And for that she deserves no defense.
It was nice of you to step up to the plate for her- but from my stance it wasn't your place to do it. I disagree with your post on craigslist too. Its like only calling the penalty on the player that hit back.
She asked for it, she got it. Maybe she can chalk it up as a learning experience.
clarification on my view of how to treat these women
One thing I want to be very clear on as a side note to my previous post. I completely agree with Dnut that these women should be treated with respect. They've picked a way of making money that some people agree with and others do not, but regardless they are trying to earn a living like anyone else. I think guys that treat them like shit are assholes, and don't deserve female companionship.
Some girls behave better than others, and its easier to avoid the bad ones than deal with them. I don't think the sex kitten is a bad one, I just think she didn't realize how her abuse of craigslist might come back and bite her.
Regardless, the guy that wished upon her HIV and Herpes was way out of line. I think it was the same one who called her a cum gobbling **** too. No girl deserves that kind of treatment, not even her.
that's great Luca, but you still missed my point
Read my posts again Luca, I don't think you even get my point here. I don't hold what you do against you, I don't hold what you charge against you. I don't even hold you using craigslist's casual encounters for finding clients against you.
You may have been trying to get back at the people flagging you, but you ended up wasting the time of people like me. By posting so many ads and leaving out pertinent information, you monopolized the board and made it difficult to find any other providers. That was what annoyed me.
It was only after you got rude with me when I emailed you (for the second time) that I decided to post about it here. And read your emails again, because I never threatened you. Quite the opposite- I told you that if you left enough clues in your ads that I could tell it was you, I would know not to reply. What was my final line in that email?!? "then at the end of the day we both end up happy"
So I stood up for you against the assholes who treated you with a complete lack of respect, and I attempted to work with you in private about my concern- which you blew off. Now you come here and say it was my fault. So once again I say, if you are going to monopolize and abuse craigslist, then its going to cause problems. If you use it fairly, like the other providers, then as not even having been your client, I will stick up for you against those who just have a chip on their shoulders. Can I be any more fair than that?
CAUTION: LE "task force" is out "in force" in OTR.
A pleasurable lanky SW in a red top, jeans and a "dewrag" [C*****e] whom I met recently pointed out several dark SUVs, each with two guys (in ball caps) patrolling the area. They are especially looking for dealers, but as mentioned on this board, are hastling SWs from whom they hope to get snitch info. She said they particularly eyed her as they passed.
In previous months, I would have posted the SW's full name, and give her a very good detailed review--but in the current climate, fellow posters have convinced me not to give out that much info any more.
Of course, she has no digits, but I hope to see her again.
Giani
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.... Yhe Police are using these girls to snitch on Drug Deales and once they do, the girls have "NO PROTECTION" and eventually are dumped back on the street, maybe in a different area, and the word on them will get around.
They maybe be Harmed or killed by other dealers who they did not snitch on, just because they snitch ... PERIOD !!!!
.... POLICE IF YOU ARE READING THIS, I WANT DRUG DEALERS GONE TO, BUT AT LEAST OFFER SOME TYPE OF LONG TERM PROTECTION FOR THE SW THAT WILL SNITCH, or SOME TYPE OF RELOCATION TO ANOTHER CITY/STATE. YOU HAVE GOT TO DO BETTER POLICING, AND REMOVED ALL DOCUMENTAL PROOF TO AVOID THE NAMES OF THE SW's or SNITCH's NAMES BEING KNOWN.
THESE SW's SHOULD NOT BE SWIMMING WITH THE FISH's IN THE OHIO RIVER.
...... The SW that got Burned to death on Stark Street, SNITCH on the Police, and you see what happened to her. They still have NOT found her Murderer(s).
....... THESE "DRUG DEALERS" HAVE LITTLE RESPECT FOR "LIFE."
ENOUGH SAID .... NO ONE IS LISTENING .... NO ONE KINDS !!!!
WORD UP .... !!!!
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Excellent Infomation .... RIGHT ON POINT !!!!
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[color=red] HARPO IS RIGHT ON POINT .... RIGHT ON POINT .....
WE SHOULD START AS OF TODAY REPORTING EVERY COP LOCATION, and STING MOVEMENT ON THIS BOARD ..... STARTING TODAY. And we need to know wish girls have SNITCHED to avoid them if seen on the street to avoid potential trouble.
ALSO .... Cincy Remark .... be careful .... if they look that good, then that could be to good to be true. YOU KNOW THE REST.
LASTLY .... SOMEONE KILLED and BURNED THAT 14y/o OVER IN Walnut Hills, and I bet they killed her because someone thinks she snitch and wanted to make a point. Same as what happened to the girl in W.E. over on Stark,
THEY DID NOT DESERVE THIS .... BUT IF THIS IS ANYTHING OR ANYONE WORTH SNITCHING ON IS THE PEOPLE WHO DID THIS TO THEM.
IN THIS MANNER I WOULD HELP THE POLICE IN ANYWAY I CAN, AND MY EARS ARE OPEN. I HAVE CALLED " CRIME STOPPERS " BEFORE, AND WILL AGAIN, ONLY FOR SERIOUS CRIMES.
AGAIN .... ENOUGH SAID ....
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For what it's worth... "Task force moves to Walnut Hills."
It is reported in the news today, that after 1,000 arrests in OTR, the task force is moving to Walnut Hills, where, in fact, there have been more murders this year than in OTR.
Have no idea whether this may have significance for mongering in OTR, but it MIGHT make the scene a little less hot. Still... keep your eyes open for late model dark colored SUVs with tinted windows--two "regular" guys in the front.
Giani
ALSO "DON'T BE .... FOOLED."
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DON'T BE FOOLED BECAUSE THE TASK FORCE HAS MOVED IT MAIN OPERATION ..... IT COULD STILL BE A DECOY, TO CLEAN UP THE REST OF OTR & W.E..
....... I am certain they have moved, but even they know, the Crime in an area will only move to another area, or BACK, to it's origonal area, as the Police Heat is turned up. In Essence the Police are doing what we have asked them to do about Drug Dealers and all the Shootings .... it is just the methods they use to get from "A - 2 - Z" that we may disagree with.
....... The HOT SPOT in Walnut Hills is the area around Peables Corner, near the Kroger store, near the Frisch H.Q. and at the corners all around Lincoln & Gilbert Ave. All the streets that flow into these streets are HOT Too, and are full of dealers to arrest. Alot of the SW's around in the area are worth the time, but are Cheap, and a few diamond, if you know how to look, at the right time.
...OTHERWISE STAY OUT OF THE AREA, AND LET THE POLICE .... POLICE !!!!
BE CAREFUL and REMEMBER THIS IS "not" THE TIME TO POST DETAILS, NAMES, or EXACT INFORMATION.
The "WATCHERS are WATCHING."
WORD ....... !!!!
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[QUOTE=Giani]It is reported in the news today, that after 1,000 arrests in OTR, the task force is moving to Walnut Hills, where, in fact, there have been more murders this year than in OTR.
Have no idea whether this may have significance for mongering in OTR, but it MIGHT make the scene a little less hot. Still... keep your eyes open for late model dark colored SUVs with tinted windows--two "regular" guys in the front.
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They Are In Jail Again .... !!!!
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[i] THEY ARE IN "JAIL" AGAIN !!!!
FROM MY SOURCES THEY TELL ME THAT OUR FAVORITES ARE IN JAIL, and YES A FEW OF THEM SNITCHED, and THE DRUG DEALERS and THEIR CONNECTIONS ARE LOOKING FOR SOME PAYBACK ONCE THEY ARE OUT.
I got some more info, and the picture IS NOT GooD. MAN .... the
"DIAMONDS in the ROUGH", are out, but they are still hard to find. Some are young, and most are NOT on Hard drugs, except they almost all smoke weed. The MONEY they make is for that or pocket change. That is why they don't often do it, unless they know you. They are very GooD at calling you, which they do for " ME."
ONE DAY I WILL POST THERE PIX, but RIGHT NOW .... "NO."
The Board is TOO HoTT !!!!
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OTR Memorial Day Weekend... nearly nada.
Wow. Even though perfect weather ( a little hot), OTR was nearly dead today around 1-2 PM. Maybe it was "Taste of Cincinnati" or who knows why? I THOUGHT the weather would have brought out our girls. On the other hand, I fortunately did NOT see what I recognized as task force SUVs... Only one crusier.
Spent almost half an hour touring OTR--saw only TWO SWs. One short, cracked out and with a pimp in close tow. No thanks.
The other is a newbie, called herself A***e. She said she was new to the area--knew none of the regulars I mentioned. She agreed to 0.2 + 0.1 for the pix. She has BEAUTIFUL, full firm young breasts. Luscious to the mouth, to say the least. She was eager to please (tho a little rough for my taste).
I believe these pix are anonymous enough to post. Scold me if you think they are too detailed. Yes--I STILL have not mastered the close-up mode of my camera!!! They are mostly frustratingly fuzzy. Sheesh. But I thought you might enjoy, none-the-less.
Giani
Camera nerds, this is for us...
Actually-- The situation was this:
I was parked in a dark area which REQUIRED flash if I wanted to get anything but blur. I would have preferred supermacro which does better at auto focusing close up than macro. But supermacro does not allow flash. (I am aware of the way that flash draws attention--but for the enjoyment of the board, we take on a little risk??? Or... am I stupid?)
BUT... as you can see from the pix, macro with flash did NOT properly focus. I wonder if there was not enough light prior to the flash for autofocus to work? (Word suggests that this may be the problem.)
And... in the heat of the moment, who wants to be f**king with the dials and menus of the camera (I already did TOO MUCH of that!). The last picture was taken at the moment of the $shot... So maybe you won't hold the fuzziness against me...?
So... practice makes perfect. Will continue my search for joy, pleasure and the perfect picture.
Giani
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[i]FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT HAVE SMALL DIGITAL CAMERA and want to take closeups in focus, you can turn the AUTO focus off on you camera, using the Menus function, and focus by hand .... or use the Macro function of your camera, with or without Auto focus.. Using Auto focus you have to have enough light in the area for the system to home in correctly on a subject, otherwise it will turn out, out of focus. A well lit area, will dramatically help.
ALSO FOR YOU FOTO SUPERSTARS .... Try NOT to take pix using a flash at night. It looks like a gun shot going off. I say this because I saw it, a few nights ago. I could see them, but they did not se me. Taking Night Shot using a flash, do it out side the car, and NOT in and area, that it will look like a gun shot. Some folks will call the Police even in OTR & WE.
By the way avoid taking Foto's where your car or someone elses will be in the pix. Cars can be ID, as interiors, or items inside ....
SO A GOOD OUT-OF-FOCUS PIX REALLY IS A GOOD THING, FOR IT SHOWS ENOUGH DETAILS TO KNOW YOU ARE TELLOMG THE TRUTH, and DOES NOT GIVE AWAY YOUR LOCATION, YOUR DETAILS, and THERE DETAILS.
SO OUT-of-FOCUS PIX can be a GooD thing, but NOT as a "RULE."
Too MANY and you will get talked about !!!!
OTHERWISE GOOD PICTURES and PICTURE TAKING !!!!
AS FOR FOTO's .... IT IS BETTER DURING THE DAYTIME IF POSSIBLE, and if you can ever, get a room, or use one safely .... DO IT !!!! DO IT ????!!!!
Harpo2U .... interesting Story ....
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Was That Directed At .... Me ????
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[b]Huhhhh, That Sounded Like the Old Stab at my Last Post.
Well, Giani knows I mean "NO Harm" especially since I speak to him on a pretty regular basis, as I do several board members. His has been a help in his direction and information. We keep in contact, and a few of us even meet up. We have been safely meeting up since the W.G. changed to it's format, a long while ago. Not all of us post as we use to, but we still all communicate. We just attended a Strip Party in NKy. a few weeks ago, and in between shows talked about the board. No Giani was NOT there, and as a group, we don't know him well enough yet. BUT he sounds to be a straight up person, to me.
OFTEN THE INFORMATION GIVEN ON THIS BOARD .... IS "MORE" FOR THOSE WHO DO NOT KNOW, THAN FOR THOSE WHO DO !!! So some information is given and read by others who can and will or can't and won't USE it.
So we all can speak about each other without doing harm. I am glad to know where you stand, I will keep that in mind. I have taken some pounding on my reports, but in the long run it turned out to be correct.
Cincinnati, is a very strange place compared to other place, and they seem to take the issue of SW's SERIOUSLY, ever since Uncle Simon was Prosecutor.
THE BATTLE HAS BEEN ON SINCE THE FIRST FLYTN TRIAL .
If It is me who you think is NOT adding to this board then say so. I am a straight up person, and never take a around about approach. I tell you exactly what I see, and what is going on. Often I am looking right at folks as they are cruising the area, and from that point I can see a lot more than I can report. I guess so can everyone, but not everyone reads this board.
I am NOT looking to get into a verbal battle with someone over the board. It really is NOT that important .... REALLY !!!! If I NEVER posted another report or pix, I would still make my donations to the board to keep it going, and still view the pix and post of others. Who cares about the Police anyway.
I am more a Face-to-Face person. Anything I have to say I can say personally. Often that can NOT Nor will Ever Be Acheived.
BUT .... if you as a Senior Member think my post are NOT worth reading ...
then .... "Don't READ THEM" and if my PIX are NOT to your liking, don't look at them. I would NEVER want to disrespect a Senior Member like yourself.
If the rest of the Board feels that way, then you are "RIGHT" I can better save my time doing other things.
I Apologize for Such a Long Post .... I will try to delete it after a couple of days ... As it is NOT Informational nor does it included any Pictorial Value.
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NEW PIX of an OLD FAVORITE !!!!
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OH BY THE WAY #48 CARS TO DAY WERE TAKEN FROM THEIR OWNER, DURING THE O.T.R. SWEEP, and HALF OF THOSE WERE FROM CAUGHT HAVING SEX IN THERE CARS WITH KNOWN S.W.'s AND IN STING OPERATIONS.
That is ONLY a part of the NEW Stat's. The rest will be in the Papers this week, within the next few days. I found it out last Wednesday.
And People .... folks in OTR & WE are calling the Police on folks, especially on men with women (SW's) in the car doing Sexual Acts.
GO OUTSIDE and AWAY from your car. You can transport an SW, but you certainly can "NOT" have SEX in the Car.
YA .... YOU NEED TO USE UNCOMMON SENSE TO PROTECT YOURSELF !!!!
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Yet another caution... about dead end deserted streets.
Recently, sweet C*****e and I were enjoying ourselves at the end of a very deserted dead end industrial area street. Suddenly, a pickup truck with three guys came around the corner. She hollered "Get us the hell out of here!" The truck turned around, and as we fled, it tried to pass me on the L to cut me off. Fortunately they were not able to pass and cut us off before we got to a main street, and out into traffic... Maybe they were just f**king with us--but from the SW's reaction, I think it may have been closer to serious. She was much more shaken than I--maybe because she knows more about what could have happened... At least I know it wasn't a set up.
So--yes, (Word is correct again...), getting car service does indeed have its risks. However, some of us work within budgets which do not support room rental. What is a guy to do? Now that the weather is favorable, outside locations become possible.
Trying to be safe (I give myself a C- on that one...)
Giani
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You tell me... I tried to catch this hottie's eye, but???
Folks in Cincinnati will be able to tell where this is. I have never seen an SW anywhere near this location, but I gotta tell you, my heart skipped a beat when I saw this young'un standing on the corner.
Anyone have any sage interpretations about whether she is or isn't???
Giani
DID YOU GET THE "LooK" !!!!
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IF SHE DOES NOT GAVE YOU THE "LooK", THEN take a second go round and see. I use to see a Short girls in OTR/WE with very Big Breast, and a shapely thick body,but she never gave me the look as often as i have seen her until one night I gave her a ride, as she was walking home from a After Hours bar. She never gave me the look still, but after a few questions we made a deal, and went to a spot "OUTSIDE" the car NOT a room, in a spot where there is plenty of traffic so no one would ever notice, and the car parked would NOT be OBVIOUS. After that we had a regular thing, but she did trick, but she just made it a habit to only work the Clubs and Bars, and to people on referral.
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[b] SHE COULD BE PLAYING IT SAFE, ESPECIALLY IF SHE IS "NEW" AT IT. I have tried asking direction to someplace I already know is NOT easy to find in the area, after I have been spotted driving passed her more than a few time.
If she is LooKing, this is your "IN."
Anyway .... KEEP TRYING, FOR THE MOST SHE CAN SAY IS "NO",
........ and THE MOST SHE CAN DO IS GET "MAD."
BY THEN YOU WILL BE GONE !!!!
GIANI THAT STORY NEEDS DETAILS .... because I have been telling Folks to be Careful and take Warning. These guys are after "Snitches and SW's that OWE Them MONEY."
WORD .... !!!!
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[QUOTE=Giani]Folks in Cincinnati will be able to tell where this is. I have never seen an SW anywhere near this location, but I gotta tell you, my heart skipped a beat when I saw this young'un standing on the corner.
Anyone have any sage interpretations about whether she is or isn't???
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Actually... it is in N KY. I hesitate to spell it out, even tho LE can figure it...
The spot is in N KY, at a very high traffic corner.
None-the-less... she seemed like a candidate for SW?
One more time, here she is:
[url]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=28352[/url]
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Heads up: little head heading for happy happening...
OTR seems to have cooled down a little--giving me the opportunity to peruse the scene, with a quite nice happy ending. This sweetie, S****, allowed pix for an extra 0.1, and THIS time, I took the time to get my autofocus working (you have to admit--there may be other priorities than focusing at a time like this...)
Got a couple decent shots--will post more if you ask for them...
And... Hey--how's come only Word and I are posting images??? Certainly some of you have cameras out there--pay a little extra (the girl can use it) and share with us!
Giani
Lessons learned the hard way...
This is nearly a bizzare story except for the part about "the little head was talking..." I don't know a Miranda, but you are SO right that if an (apparent) SW starts giving orders as soon as she is in the car, you need to give HER the exit order...
Her MO sounds like Kelsey who pretended to have a gun on my a while back... (see my post and picture--you might recognize her.)
You have probably seen "Mongering 101" rules, but these unfortunate situations can be minimized by following them. Prime among others, NEVER GIVE THE $ UP FRONT! Here is the link to that post:
[url]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=435187#post435187[/url]
Sorry you got taken in Cincy, but... You now have an interesting memory.
And yes, Dollar Store is a very favorite of SWs, fer shur.
[QUOTE=BootyLoverBrad]Well, it was bound to happen to me sooner or later in the 'Nati. I took one for the team. I was cruising one of my main strolls, and saw this cute lil girl named Miranda. She flagged me down, hopped in the car, and we drove off. The first words out of her mouth were "Do as I say". Now, red flags should have gone up at that point, but the little head was talking. She proceeds to ask me all kinds of questions that made me wonder what the hell was going on. I ask her to do the ole flash, and she refuses, asks for money up front, then tells me to take her to the dollar store. She said she knew I was tricking, and she asked if I had any more money to get out of trouble..I foolishly gave her the other .2 I had. She then wanted me to leave the dollar store, which I did not do. She then proceeded to act as if she were calling the police. Now, I got out, ordered her out of the car, then beat heck outta there. Have any of you heard of this person? If so, let me know via PM.
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Kelsey... Miranda??? Here are Kelsey's MO and picture.
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It took me a while searching through the archives, but I found my original post from 6 January 2005 on Kelsey. (It also includes her picture.) I am reposting the picture as "Robbing_SW" with this post. To answer the question, I am SURE that robbing SWs change their names frequently to avoid getting tracked down. The bossiness, anger, threatening manner of your Miranda certainly sounds like it could be my Kelsey. What do you think?
Here is the original post:
[url]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=2390&page=18&pp=15&highlight=kelsey[/url]
Here is the text of my post on Kelsey:
01-06-05, 11:20
Well... Another error of ignorance...
Melissa stood me up, so since I was in the neighborhood, I picked up a young cute thing who gave me a great smile on Elm just before Liberty. Said her name was Kelsey, about 8 in looks with that fabulous smile... She indicated she would do oral with catch for 0.2 + 0.05 tip. I start to head for my favorite parking garage, she says no, here on this side street. We stopped, I placed the 0.2 in the ash tray.
But it was way too open, people coming and going, I said I'm going to the garage. She said it would cost me more. I am getting a creepy feeling about the situation. She directs me to another very open location. I don't like it, but get ready for action. But then she says no catch for the agreed amount, grabbing the 0.2 from the ash tray.
I am convinced this is going nowhere, AND that I have been ripped off. I said OK, you taught me a lesson, good bye. She indicates she has a gun in her pocket and screams that she will shoot me ("You MFing SOB!") if I don't give her all my money. I sit quietly contemplating what to do (even with a small chance that she IS armed, do I want to place THAT bet???) She is getting wild eyed, freeky and screaming curses at me. I have stashed my wallet elsewhere, but had an additional 0.15 in my pocket for any possible "upgrades." I decide to chalk it up to a serious lesson, and hand her the 0.15 hoping that brings this episode to an end. She says she KNOWS I have more.
I decide to move to a more public place and start the car. She is screaming she is going to shoot me in the head... I begin to drive, and she finally jumps out of the car. I have the presence of mind to pull out my camera, and get some shots off of her. This is a case where I believe it IS appropriate to post a face. Here she is heading across a parking lot, and another of her pulling the hood over her head.
She says her name is KELSEY--she is serious trouble.
