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[QUOTE=JonFisher;4857771]Not quite sure what or who you are referring to.
The fairoaks girl is diff.
The vice cop scammer is back on seeking. I just happen to see her profile so I thought I will alert.[/QUOTE]Mentioned that she is in that area and I was curious since all these happened at the same time,
-her mention of this area,
-your post alerting about her and
-your post asking about a girl in this area.
Darn coincidence.
[QUOTE=Mdubya;4857540]How many of you have been at a stoplight and seen a homeless girl and been like how the fk are you homeless? I would take you to a hotel, clean you up and fk you. Has anyone ever got car play from a homeless girl? This fake ad made me think of that.
[URL]https://northern-virginia.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/homelesshot-exyride-car-fuck-o/797328955074[/URL][/QUOTE]A few years ago I was in Cincinnati coming out of a store and this thin white girl around 21 or 22 years old sheepishly asks me for a handout. She wasn't hot like a $300 per hour working girl but she wasn't bad looking either. I froze in my tracks and spent about 3 or 4 seconds thinking and came really close to asking her if she wanted to spend the night at my hotel room and also offer her a really nice dinner at a restaurant before that. However I did feel like that was pretty scummy taking advantage of somebody in dire straits just to get a BJ and some pussy. So I gave her $10 and went on my way.
Still makes me wonder what answer she would've gave me. Might've been a Penthouse Letters kind of happy ending. "Yeah we can go back to your room. I hope we can fuck all night, too".
[QUOTE=Zerry;4840100]Yeah its called asking them, meeting them in public and getting to know them. While there is always some risk I feel pretty safe talking to girls who also have lot to lose if they themselves were found out. Scholarships, internships, jobs etc. The mutually assured destruction theory.
Never interacting with a woman and spending hours online uncovering their personal information to then contact them via means they have not invited you to contact them by is what incels and serial killers do.[/QUOTE]You play the game your way. I'll play the game my way.
I'm not being "creepy", I'm simply confirming things they've told me but by all means. Do what you do and I'll continue to do things my way.
[QUOTE=Shinshi86;4919442]I recently changed my approach on Seeking to see what would happen. Previously, I'd message 3-4 different SBs a week--maybe more if I'm traveling for work or on vacation. If there's no response, I'd message new ones while trying again with the previous week's SBs after 10-14 days go by. The latter is dependent on when they're back online and if they've really caught my attention (and if there's still nothing, I cut my losses and move on). In the last couple weeks, I sent out 32 messages thinking that I'll get maybe a couple replies and probably one meet (it had been [U]that[/U] kind of a losing streak). However of those 32, I received 16 responses with an additional 7 SBs who initiated the convo!
Needless to say, I was a bit overwhelmed to see so much activity! But as always, that number of potentials dropped off after subsequent follow-ups. It can be difficult to get a read on some of them: who likes / dislikes small talk; who prefers / loathes public meet-and-greets; who has FWB tagged despite not wanting such an arrangement; who's a scam despite a well-written profile; etc. For their convenience, I offered to meet them at any restaurant / cafe near their area and that they can pick the day & time as long as I know a few days in advance (working multiple jobs kinda limits my free time). Meeting in public doesn't only put their mind at ease, but also mine as it helps knowing if they look like their pics and what their expectations are. If they're afflicted with GPS or if I get stood up, at least I'll still have enjoyed great food and explored a new area outside of where I typically visit.[/QUOTE]This is exactly the same shit that guys used to write about BP chicks being stupid and unreliable.
Literally exactly the same shit, most of these chicks probably were on backpage. Do any of you guys actually know what sugar babies are? Not singling you out Shinshi all the "SD's" do it. You're trying to arrange a session with a prostitute. I understand that they are on a site called seeking arrangements but the arrangement you're trying to work out isn't exclusive, there will not be a monthly stipend, you're going to pay her when you fuck her and she's going to be fucking other guys who pay her when they fuck her.
They are hookers.
I will never understand this distinction you guys try to make.
A2.
[QUOTE=Admin2;4919881]This is exactly the same shit that guys used to write about BP chicks being stupid and unreliable.
Literally exactly the same shit, most of these chicks probably were on backpage. Do any of you guys actually know what sugar babies are? Not singling you out Shinshi all the "SD's" do it. You're trying to arrange a session with a prostitute. I understand that they are on a site called seeking arrangements but the arrangement you're trying to work out isn't exclusive, there will not be a monthly stipend, you're going to pay her when you fuck her and she's going to be fucking other guys who pay her when they fuck her.
They are hookers.
I will never understand this distinction you guys try to make.
A2.[/QUOTE]We're almost in 100% agreement, man. SBs are hookers, no arguments there. However, I do tend to treat SBs better and more willing to take them out wherever than I would a professional escort. For 400+, I can expect from a decent quality escort maybe an hour of fun? With roughly that same amount (to include hotel and meal), the SBs I've been with stay 3+ hours to overnight where we wouldn't get much sleep at all! You get more bang for your buck--pun intended--and I've never paid an amateur (which is what a SB is) the same as a professional escort. It goes back to my analogy in an earlier post about paying the same for rinkside tickets to watch a minor league hockey team and the New York Rangers. Who'd do that?
Ever since that first SB date months ago (late-February I think?) , I've only been back to pros maybe three times? And that was just because I got stood up by a SB or Tinder date earlier and didn't want to go home completely empty-handed. I'm under no illusions that I'm the only john that a SB is seeing. We're not dating, so I can't reasonably expect her to abide by exclusivity. Especially since I can't meet more than 2 x's / month due to work. Only two SBs claimed to only be seeing me. I kinda believe one of them is being truthful based on her general personality. But as I said to all who ask me: I don't mind one way or another.
So to kinda clear up the minute distinction: I treat amateurs--the SBs--better because the odds are in my favor of having a fantastic, less expensive time than with a professional escort. And if I get stood up by a SB, I will not have completely wasted my time and still gotten to eat great food and explored a new area (I'm a glass half-full guy, haha). That said, you're right them being hookers one way or another. Unless they offer it up for free, in which case I don't know what that'd make them (one of my regulars only wants Doordash, a hotel room, and that's it).
[QUOTE=Admin2;4919881]This is exactly the same shit that guys used to write about BP chicks being stupid and unreliable.
Literally exactly the same shit, most of these chicks probably were on backpage. Do any of you guys actually know what sugar babies are? Not singling you out Shinshi all the "SD's" do it. You're trying to arrange a session with a prostitute. I understand that they are on a site called seeking arrangements but the arrangement you're trying to work out isn't exclusive, there will not be a monthly stipend, you're going to pay her when you fuck her and she's going to be fucking other guys who pay her when they fuck her.
They are hookers.
I will never understand this distinction you guys try to make.
A2.[/QUOTE]I respectfully disagree. When you are a hammer, everything looks like a nail. There are escorts that act like SB's and SB's that act like escorts. They are both Sex Workers, but in general are on completely different ends of the spectrum. If you contact profiles on SA treating them like escorts, you will scare away the legitimate SBs and only get replies from the escorts. If you contact profiles treating them like SBs, you will scare away the escorts and only get replies from legitimate SBs.
[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;4919963]I respectfully disagree. When you are a hammer, everything looks like a nail. There are escorts that act like SB's and SB's that act like escorts. They are both Sex Workers, but in general are on completely different ends of the spectrum. If you contact profiles on SA treating them like escorts, you will scare away the legitimate SBs and only get replies from the escorts. If you contact profiles treating them like SBs, you will scare away the escorts and only get replies from legitimate SBs.[/QUOTE]If you pay a woman for sex then their Hookers. Easy.
[QUOTE=Admin2;4919881]This is exactly the same shit that guys used to write about BP chicks being stupid and unreliable.
Literally exactly the same shit, most of these chicks probably were on backpage. Do any of you guys actually know what sugar babies are? Not singling you out Shinshi all the "SD's" do it. You're trying to arrange a session with a prostitute. I understand that they are on a site called seeking arrangements but the arrangement you're trying to work out isn't exclusive, there will not be a monthly stipend, you're going to pay her when you fuck her and she's going to be fucking other guys who pay her when they fuck her.
They are hookers.
I will never understand this distinction you guys try to make.
A2.[/QUOTE]+1.
Without a shadow of doubt.
[QUOTE=SlowBlo;4921002]If you pay a woman for sex then their Hookers. Easy.[/QUOTE]What part of "they are both Sex Workers" is lost in translation? Madaboutmax and I [U]agree that they are hookers![/U] The whole point is you just can't treat the majority of them like a [U]regular hooker.[/U] Does that mean you need to blow your savings, always take them out to eat, do shit outside the bedroom for every meet, introduce them to friends & family, and / or seriously think about marriage with these girls? Of course not! The majority of SBs are under the delusion that they aren't sex workers. Personally, I'm fine on my end with providing such a fantasy to them so long as my fantasy is fulfilled in return. I mean, isn't that how this hobby works?
If a SB wants to be wined-and-dined every so often, to confide about everyday life, to spend even more time hanging out with me by the pool or beach, or even wants to forgo pay altogether because the sexual chemistry is so great (as is the case with one of my regulars who I'm seeing tomorrow), who am I to say no? Not a single person here can possibly tell me with a straight face that they've had success on that site by telling a SB right off the bat "200 / hr, we'll bang. M'kay? " It typically doesn't work that way, not even if you're a Brad Pitt-lookalike, hung like Ron Jeremy, and driving a Ferrari. For SBs who blatantly act like hookers, you might get away with that approach since they're pretty straightforward like the BP bitches of old.
For the other 90+%, that's not what they're after. Sweet-talk and tip-toeing around certain subjects is often required for these amateurs. They want your money but wish to feel less bad about it while morally justifying their actions in order to obtain it. And if that's not your cup of tea, cool. It's not for everyone, and I get the allure of just utilizing professionals. For now, I'm [U]having fun AND spending less money on the SB amateurs.[/U] Any that end up being bots / scams, or who pull some egregious shit like a cash-and-dash or lie, or I'm done seeing them period, I share about it in detail on these forums.
I'm not trying to stir shit up, honest. I've nothing against any of you and have thoroughly enjoyed this forum. It's been incredibly useful in providing hobby intel and the occasional, much needed laugh at times. I just don't get where this latest mix-up came from, especially since I'm usually clear & detailed in my posts. If it's how I handle SBs in general, then I don't know what to say to that. It's working for me--quite well, in fact.
[QUOTE=Shinshi86;4921416]What part of "they are both Sex Workers" is lost in translation? Madaboutmax and I [U]agree that they are hookers![/U] The whole point is you just can't treat the majority of them like a [U]regular hooker.[/U] Does that mean you need to blow your savings, always take them out to eat, do shit outside the bedroom for every meet, introduce them to friends & family, and / or seriously think about marriage with these girls? Of course not! The majority of SBs are under the delusion that they aren't sex workers. Personally, I'm fine on my end with providing such a fantasy to them so long as my fantasy is fulfilled in return. I mean, isn't that how this hobby works?
If a SB wants to be wined-and-dined every so often, to confide about everyday life, to spend even more time hanging out with me by the pool or beach, or even wants to forgo pay altogether because the sexual chemistry is so great (as is the case with one of my regulars who I'm seeing tomorrow), who am I to say no? Not a single person here can possibly tell me with a straight face that they've had success on that site by telling a SB right off the bat "200 / hr, we'll bang. M'kay? " It typically doesn't work that way, not even if you're a Brad Pitt-lookalike, hung like Ron Jeremy, and driving a Ferrari. For SBs who blatantly act like hookers, you might get away with that approach since they're pretty straightforward like the BP bitches of old.
For the other 90+%, that's not what they're after. Sweet-talk and tip-toeing around certain subjects is often required for these amateurs. They want your money but wish to feel less bad about it while morally justifying their actions in order to obtain it. And if that's not your cup of tea, cool. It's not for everyone, and I get the allure of just utilizing professionals. For now, I'm [U]having fun AND spending less money on the SB amateurs.[/U] Any that end up being bots / scams, or who pull some egregious shit like a cash-and-dash or lie, or I'm done seeing them period, I share about it in detail on these forums.
I'm not trying to stir shit up, honest. I've nothing against any of you and have thoroughly enjoyed this forum. It's been incredibly useful in providing hobby intel and the occasional, much needed laugh at times. I just don't get where this latest mix-up came from, especially since I'm usually clear & detailed in my posts. If it's how I handle SBs in general, then I don't know what to say to that. It's working for me--quite well, in fact.[/QUOTE]I've been doing this for a LONG time. Met some nice women on SA. In the end, years later, I still keep in contact with some of them. If I ask if they would like to get together again when I'm in town the first thing they say is "How Much". They're after your money. Period. Hookers.
[QUOTE=SlowBlo;4921002]If you pay a woman for sex then their Hookers. Easy.[/QUOTE]How is that different from a wife? One difference is that you don't pay a hooker for sex, you pay her to go away afterwards.
Many SBs don't like to feel like they are being paid for sex, but are okay with the idea of a rich boyfriend that helps them out financially. I agree it is semantics. I wouldn't help them if they weren't having sex with me. I'm not under any delusion, but many SBs may be. I'm okay with playing to their fantasy if I can convince a hot Hooters bartender to spend an entire weekend with me and jump my bones multiple times a day for the cost of 1 hour with a decent escort.
If you approach them like escorts, you will scare the true "amateur SBs" away and only get responses from seasoned escorts. If you treat them like an SB looking for a "Sugar Relationship", you will scare the escorts away and only get responses from SBs looking for a "Sugar Relationahip".
It's really not a hard concept.
[QUOTE=SlowBlo;4921002]If you pay a woman for sex then their Hookers. Easy.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=DogBert25;4922074]How is that different from a wife? One difference is that you don't pay a hooker for sex, you pay her to go away afterwards.[/QUOTE]I wish I could pay my wife to go away. Great line. I love it.
[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;4923146]Many SBs don't like to feel like they are being paid for sex, but are okay with the idea of a rich boyfriend that helps them out financially. I agree it is semantics. I wouldn't help them if they weren't having sex with me. I'm not under any delusion, but many SBs may be. I'm okay with playing to their fantasy if I can convince a hot Hooters bartender to spend an entire weekend with me and jump my bones multiple times a day for the cost of 1 hour with a decent escort.
If you approach them like escorts, you will scare the true "amateur SBs" away and only get responses from seasoned escorts. If you treat them like an SB looking for a "Sugar Relationship", you will scare the escorts away and only get responses from SBs looking for a "Sugar Relationahip".
It's really not a hard concept.[/QUOTE]You don't have to treat them as hookers. That's not the point. They still are. A2 is on point.
Do what works for you, but I agree with SloBlo you I get more with sugar and honey. I have gotten a lot of video content just by being nice, and a little extra $ helps. Most ladies love that I am a gentleman. I only treat them like the **** they are when it comes to play time. I also enjoy the game, and getting to know people, that why I switch to SBs.
[QUOTE=SlowBlo;4923442]You don't have to treat them as hookers. That's not the point. They still are. A2 is on point.[/QUOTE]
I agree they are sex workers and get paid for having sex.
To me, hookers are professionals, know they are a hooker, quickly get down to business by defining a time place amount activities and length of visit. They treat it like a job that some may enjoy and some don't. They set boundaries to keep things professional and don't let emotional play a role. They have multiple partners, sometimes in the same day and must practice safe sex due to the number of sexual partners.
A true amateur SB doesn't want to admit to themselves that they are being paid for sex. They lie to themselves that they just have a rich boyfriend that treats them well. They like to be wined and dined and shown off. They treat a Sugar Relationahip much more like normal dating with boundaries and compensation. It a high risk high reward venture, but the rewards are significant. To have a true 9 out of 10 beautiful bartender spend an entire weekend with me at my home, maybe have 6 rounds of bareback sex for the price of a moderately priced escort can be had.
If your definition of a Hooker is a woman who accepts money for sex then yes they are Hookers. Most understand Hooker to be a more derogatory term and treat them as such.
[QUOTE=SlowBlo;4923442]You don't have to treat them as hookers. That's not the point. They still are. A2 is on point.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Utwogood;4929964]About this, here are some things to consider:
1. Sometimes, these women are at the same hotels because they have a relationship with the front desk. I remember visiting a lady in Springfield years back and she told me that the lady at the front desk already knew she was there. In fact they'd go out and smoke 420 at the back of the building after work.
2. Easy access for late night guests. There's a hotel in Springfield that locks its doors to room key entry only in the front, but the back door is always open (no pun intended). Whenever I arrive in the late hours, I always know to park in the back so I can avoid the desk staff. Deep shadows back there too.
3. Owners / managers who need the money. Whenever I go to Dumfries, it's always the same slimy motel off Rte. 1. There's really no reason for anyone to stay there unless they're a trucker or looking to crash for the night, so the manager has to know much of his revenue is coming from providers. The idea here is that as long as you don't cause a scene, you won't be bothered.
4. Open motels, where you go directly to the door and don't have to walk past the front desk. These are also good because you can peep your surroundings before you get to the door.
5. It's just a guess, but some of these providers rent out 2+ weeks at a time for a discounted rate. Then they probably rotate the girls out, occasionally asking for a room change to keep from being tracked or stalked.
Actually, when I'd see a provider advertise out of a non-familiar hotel, I'm always a little more cautious, since brand new providers usually pick hotels with bad parking or are inconvenient for other reasons (Arlington, Rosslyn, Downtown DC).[/QUOTE]Good thoughts! I'm not worried about the Hotels as much as LEO and election year politicians. LEO can go on Listcrawler and see probably 20 or more women all advertising that they're in Springfield by the mall. They go to a Liberal Judge and get permission to setup stings and go after us or the women. I've seen it happen when I lived in Henrico county. LEO would contact the women and setup a date. Then ask the Hotel permission to go to the rooms to bust the women. A girl I was on my way to meet got busted that way. Luckily I was late. The Hotel actually gave LEO a key to all the rooms and they arrested all the women in the Motel that were working. Sounds illegal but the judges went along with it. They also went after the massage parlors. They sent in unmarried officers and after the HJ was done they would walk out and the police waiting outside would bust the place. In Henrico, the judges went along with it. Even if you fight it and get off, those of us who are married, are screwed. (no pun intended) That's what all the Defund Police and rioting is about. IMHO.
[QUOTE=SlowBlo;4930296]Even if you fight it and get off, those of us who are married, are screwed. (no pun intended) That's what all the Defund Police and rioting is about. IMHO.[/QUOTE]With respect, that's [U]NOT[/U] why people are pissed at cops these days. I mean sure, people who get busted for soliciting won't think highly of cops--or enjoy their time around them. But there's a whole plethora of other (bigger) issues that people have with the profession lately. Though I won't dive into specifics right now as this really isn't the thread to discuss in length.
Bottom line: cops have always been on the lookout to bust providers & johns, that's nothing new. All you can do is keep your head on a swivel aaaaaaaannnnnnnd ([URL]https://youtu.be/uqo5RYOp4nQ[/URL]).
[QUOTE=SlowBlo;4930296]Good thoughts! I'm not worried about the Hotels as much as LEO and election year politicians. LEO can go on Listcrawler and see probably 20 or more women all advertising that they're in Springfield by the mall. They go to a Liberal Judge and get permission to setup stings and go after us or the women. I've seen it happen when I lived in Henrico county. LEO would contact the women and setup a date. Then ask the Hotel permission to go to the rooms to bust the women. A girl I was on my way to meet got busted that way. Luckily I was late. The Hotel actually gave LEO a key to all the rooms and they arrested all the women in the Motel that were working. Sounds illegal but the judges went along with it. They also went after the massage parlors. They sent in unmarried officers and after the HJ was done they would walk out and the police waiting outside would bust the place. In Henrico, the judges went along with it. Even if you fight it and get off, those of us who are married, are screwed. (no pun intended) That's what all the Defund Police and rioting is about. IMHO.[/QUOTE]Use of the word liberal (or conservative) in a critical manner means it's got to be on the stupid shit thread. This post isn't so bad, not great either it wasn't the liberals that wrote, passed, and signed Fosta / Sesta, but it will kick off never ending commentary about the idiotic red / blue divide.
A2.
[QUOTE=SlowBlo;4930296]Good thoughts! I'm not worried about the Hotels as much as LEO and election year politicians. LEO can go on Listcrawler and see probably 20 or more women all advertising that they're in Springfield by the mall. They go to a Liberal Judge and get permission to setup stings and go after us or the women. I've seen it happen when I lived in Henrico county. LEO would contact the women and setup a date. Then ask the Hotel permission to go to the rooms to bust the women. A girl I was on my way to meet got busted that way. Luckily I was late. The Hotel actually gave LEO a key to all the rooms and they arrested all the women in the Motel that were working. Sounds illegal but the judges went along with it. They also went after the massage parlors. They sent in unmarried officers and after the HJ was done they would walk out and the police waiting outside would bust the place. In Henrico, the judges went along with it. Even if you fight it and get off, those of us who are married, are screwed. (no pun intended) That's what all the Defund Police and rioting is about. IMHO.[/QUOTE]"Liberal" judges would be more open to legalizing things such as weed and prostitution. It's conservatives that want to keep things the same. When you think extremely liberal think Germany where prostitution is legal and weed usage. Maybe since we are all fellow mongers we should vote liberal seeing how its in our best interest. Dodging LE is annoying as hell.
[QUOTE=MadeYoulLook29;4931378]"Liberal" judges would be more open to legalizing things such as weed and prostitution. It's conservatives that want to keep things the same. When you think extremely liberal think Germany where prostitution is legal and weed usage. Maybe since we are all fellow mongers we should vote liberal seeing how its in our best interest. Dodging LE is annoying as hell.[/QUOTE]The general liberal view is now that all prostitution is trafficking, and all women are victims.
[QUOTE=BunkerBuster;4931840]The general liberal view is now that all prostitution is trafficking, and all women are victims.[/QUOTE]Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren and Kamala Harris and others are all open to decriminalizing prostitution. Most of your far left are for decriminalization of things like this. It's your moderate Dems that try to meet Repulicans half way. Criminalization it has always been more of a Conservative talking point.
[QUOTE=BunkerBuster;4931840]The general liberal view is now that all prostitution is trafficking, and all women are victims.[/QUOTE]I don't think that generalization is accurate as there as those that argue legalization and subsequent regulation would drastically decrease human trafficking. To say that, generally, conservatives are against legalization would be more accurate.
[QUOTE=BunkerBuster;4931840]The general liberal view is now that all prostitution is trafficking, and all women are victims.[/QUOTE]The redlight districts are in every city / town. Government sanctions mongering. You don't have to go looking for it. No wondering what's on the other side of the door (fat ugly chick or uncle LE) It's literally dancing in the windows for you to choose from. This is literally as LIBERAL as a country can get with this sort of thing. For some reason we've been conditioned to hate this.
[QUOTE=Admin2;4934558][BLUE]Trolls crave attention and now that 12 of you gave it to him he will surely be back to plague us for quite some time.
I'm sorry the mod missed that one "so I ripped the tip during DATY' line but they look at a lot of posts and that's why there is a "Report Post" button. Also any fool know once the integrity of the condom is compromised it just rips the whole way and slides down your dick like a cock ring. There's no way the chick wouldn't have known, they can feel the latex as well.
So, next time, please give him or her the thing they crave so that they keep making new users and maybe even expand their trolling to other areas.
Well done all, thanks.
A2[/BLUE][/QUOTE]I confirmed with the girl he did this to. She said it was true. She said he was a young white male. She's very worried about her health now. She was actually mortified and went back home because of this incident. So all the hate he is getting is well deserved.
[QUOTE=Tomk2323;4934509][blue]Will you guys never learn to recognize trolls that make shit up to get you to react. He says he ripped the condom but then he's also worried about catching something?
Fucking ignore them and they go away, now since he got responses he's going to do it again.
Next time just report the post.
A2[/blue][/QUOTE]If we report the post do you block him? Just wondering. Or do we get a girl to set him up and we all meet him some where LOL.
[QUOTE=Mdubya;4935033]I confirmed with the girl he did this to. She said it was true. She said he was a young white male. She's very worried about her health now. She was actually mortified and went back home because of this incident. So all the hate he is getting is well deserved.[/QUOTE]Did she save his number or texts?
[QUOTE=SlowBlo;4935239]Did she save his number or texts?[/QUOTE]She's a crapshoot girl so her calls are handled by her handler. I'm sure her handler has it. But I'm sure he wasn't dumb enough to use his real phone number.
From what I've seen, the support for sex workers is sort of spread out when it comes to the left, spreading from moderate to uber-liberal. There are those that are moderate liberals and who consider themselves feminists who believe that decriminalization or legalization for sex workers is the best option. Either way, their general tone seems to be that of general acceptance.
However, it seems like it's the uber-liberals, the type that loves to blame everything on everyone and how every bad thing is a result of either capitalism or straight white male hegemony, that believes that ALL sex workers are "victims. " Best example of this is when the deputy police chief of Seattle PD was addressing the Seattle City Council, which are socialist uber-liberal morons, and they couldn't believe that he said that women chose to be sex workers. One of their responses was that he was mansplaining prostitution, even though he's just quoting sex workers and speaking on what he's seen from talking with sex workers. Apparently, to uber-liberals, prostitution is a result of *gasp* capitalism and straight white male hegemony.
[URL]https://mynorthwest.com/1541126/seattle-council-prostitution-marc-garth-green/[/URL]
Honestly, you'll even find moderate conservatives who will support decriminalization and / or legalization. Hell, alt-right pastors are constantly getting busted for fucking prostitutes so even they secretly would support it too.
[QUOTE=Mdubya;4935033]I confirmed with the girl he did this to. She said it was true. She said he was a young white male. She's very worried about her health now. She was actually mortified and went back home because of this incident. So all the hate he is getting is well deserved.[/QUOTE]Chicks can feel immediately when a guy isn't wearing a condom. Like right away. If it was a deal he would have spoken of her struggling, he didn't, he characterized it as something he "got away with" until it was over. That's not how it works. So no, I still don't believe it actually happened. I still believe it was a bullshit story that was made up to get the sewing circles panties in a bunch.
However: Stealthing is considered sexual assault in Virginia, if it actually happened she has options.
[QUOTE=SlowBlo;4935230]If we report the post do you block him? Just wondering. Or do we get a girl to set him up and we all meet him some where LOL.[/QUOTE]Generally I remove the post, put a note on the account to review the posts closely in the future. We used to ban accounts but that doesn't really do anything because they just start a new one. What works is when they don't get a payoff for the behavior. Sometimes the mods miss things, we wish it didn't happen but it does, that's why there is a report post button. Just use it, I remove the post, he doesn't get any attention and he finds some political forum where the trolling is better. This is in no way me saying that stealthing is ok, the forum's position on it has been consistent for years. We are all about mutual consent and always have been. I'm not saying stealthing is ok, I'm saying the story was bullshit.
I'm moving all this follow up to the stupid shit thread.
[QUOTE=Admin2;4936329]Chicks can feel immediately when a guy isn't wearing a condom. Like right away. If it was a deal he would have spoken of her struggling, he didn't, he characterized it as something he "got away with" until it was over. That's not how it works. So no, I still don't believe it actually happened. I still believe it was a bullshit story that was made up to get the sewing circles panties in a bunch.
However: Stealthing is considered sexual assault in Virginia, if it actually happened she has options.
Generally I remove the post, put a note on the account to review the posts closely in the future. We used to ban accounts but that doesn't really do anything because they just start a new one. What works is when they don't get a payoff for the behavior. Sometimes the mods miss things, we wish it didn't happen but it does, that's why there is a report post button. Just use it, I remove the post, he doesn't get any attention and he finds some political forum where the trolling is better. This is in no way me saying that stealthing is ok, the forum's position on it has been consistent for years. We are all about mutual consent and always have been. I'm not saying stealthing is ok, I'm saying the story was bullshit.
I'm moving all this follow up to the stupid shit thread.[/QUOTE]A2 is correct. I don't believe it happened either but I will add that 3 weeks ago I was doing Mish with a little Asian woman many of us know and the end of the condom ripped but nothing else. Neither of us felt anything until she felt my load shoot into her and she said "uh oh it broke" so I pulled out and she took it off and put her finger in the hole and said " you came inside me". She didn't seem concerned about it and offered me a shower as she changed the bedsheets. I left with a kiss on the cheek and saw her again the following week. I always bring my own so I don't have to squeeze into the cheap condoms many women buy. And yes, this needs to stay in the stupid shit thread.
[QUOTE=SlowBlo;4936911]A2 is correct. I don't believe it happened either but I will add that 3 weeks ago I was doing Mish with a little Asian woman many of us know and the end of the condom ripped but nothing else. Neither of us felt anything until she felt my load shoot into her and she said "uh oh it broke" so I pulled out and she took it off and put her finger in the hole and said " you came inside me". She didn't seem concerned about it and offered me a shower as she changed the bedsheets. I left with a kiss on the cheek and saw her again the following week. I always bring my own so I don't have to squeeze into the cheap condoms many women buy. And yes, this needs to stay in the stupid shit thread.[/QUOTE]I'm telling you guys I know the girl. She attested that this happened to her. I have her personal number and she talked to me about it. The conversation is mostly in Chinese but I'll gladly send you screenshots of our conversation. Not that you'll believe that either. Anywho she is back home and she hasn't texted me about it again and I don't want to keep bringing up how she got violated. She's an immigrant who does sex work, doesn't know the language and someone else manages her calls. This guy took advantage of her. Plain and simple. I made sure to confirm this was true before I got my panties in a bunch about it. It pisses me off because she's a nice girl and doesn't manage her visits. Poor girl thinks she's ok because she douched after he left. This is the last post I'll post about this.
[QUOTE=Admin2;4936329]Chicks can feel immediately when a guy isn't wearing a condom. Like right away. If it was a deal he would have spoken of her struggling, he didn't, he characterized it as something he "got away with" until it was over. That's not how it works. So no, I still don't believe it actually happened. I still believe it was a bullshit story that was made up to get the sewing circles panties in a bunch.
However: Stealthing is considered sexual assault in Virginia, if it actually happened she has options.
Generally I remove the post, put a note on the account to review the posts closely in the future. We used to ban accounts but that doesn't really do anything because they just start a new one. What works is when they don't get a payoff for the behavior. Sometimes the mods miss things, we wish it didn't happen but it does, that's why there is a report post button. Just use it, I remove the post, he doesn't get any attention and he finds some political forum where the trolling is better. This is in no way me saying that stealthing is ok, the forum's position on it has been consistent for years. We are all about mutual consent and always have been. I'm not saying stealthing is ok, I'm saying the story was bullshit.
I'm moving all this follow up to the stupid shit thread.[/QUOTE]Great response -- and moving to this thread was a smart administrative action. Thanks.
[QUOTE=Admin2;4936329]Chicks can feel immediately when a guy isn't wearing a condom. Like right away. If it was a deal he would have spoken of her struggling, he didn't, he characterized it as something he "got away with" until it was over. That's not how it works. So no, I still don't believe it actually happened. I still believe it was a bullshit story that was made up to get the sewing circles panties in a bunch.[/QUOTE]Similar thing to what happened to SlowBro happened to me. I feel like girls can tell with less certainty that the condom's broken if only the tip's broken and you still have some structural integrity.
[QUOTE=FloorHump422;4937980]Similar thing to what happened to SlowBro happened to me. I feel like girls can tell with less certainty that the condom's broken if only the tip's broken and you still have some structural integrity.[/QUOTE]If the "end" of the condo rips, it won't retain structural integrity and the rest will roll down like a damn cock ring, and ALL men know when condoms tear because it gets wetter and a lot warmer. Immediately.
Some ignore it and roll the dice, but the idea that a man wouldn't recognize the difference after a few strokes is far fetched.
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Is this reverse mongering?
Might be the most affordable option LOL 😂.
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Is this reverse mongering?
Might be the most affordable option LOL 😂.[/QUOTE]It worked for me in college.
[QUOTE=Zerry;4962085]In this context pros are cheap.
[blue]They are both pros. Anybody who gets paid to work is a professional, SB's are hookers.
A2[/blue][/QUOTE]Haha, what? Do explain that logic here please? Because 400+ in the DMV typically buys [B]one hour[/B] of a decent professional's time ([I]maybe 1. 5 - 2 hrs[/I] if you're fortunate or they're on the cheap).
For 200-400, my regular rotation of SBs stick around for 4+ hours--sometimes overnight. Some are totally down with fun in the bedroom the entire time. Others prefer a meal before / after the deed, and then okay with multiple pops over the next several hours. We'll break the monotony every now & then by going to the beach, watching Netflix, or strolling through the city near their place (where some will host instead of requiring me to get a hotel every single visit). I mean dude, I did the math. Pretty certain the cost-fun ratio for me on Seeking heavily outweighs the cost / time around pros. We all stick with what's comfortable, profitable, and the most enjoyable.
And as the admin says, SBs are a type of hooker. They are indeed giving it up for money. I know I've said this before, but I'll repeat: if SBs don't want to think of themselves as hookers, I'm fine with fulfilling their fantasy so long as they fulfill mine.
[blue]Preach brother, no issue with pretending they aren't hookers when you're with them if it means they fuck you better, but some of these guys really believe they aren't hookers.
A2[/blue]
[QUOTE=Shinshi86;4963478]Haha, what? Do explain that logic here please? Because 400+ in the DMV typically buys [B]one hour[/B] of a decent professional's time ([I]maybe 1. 5 - 2 hrs[/I] if you're fortunate or they're on the cheap).
For 200-400, my regular rotation of SBs stick around for 4+ hours--sometimes overnight. Some are totally down with fun in the bedroom the entire time. Others prefer a meal before / after the deed, and then okay with multiple pops over the next several hours. We'll break the monotony every now & then by going to the beach, watching Netflix, or strolling through the city near their place (where some will host instead of requiring me to get a hotel every single visit). I mean dude, I did the math. Pretty certain the cost-fun ratio for me on Seeking heavily outweighs the cost / time around pros. We all stick with what's comfortable, profitable, and the most enjoyable.
And as the admin says, SBs are a type of hooker. They are indeed giving it up for money. I know I've said this before, but I'll repeat: if SBs don't want to think of themselves as hookers, I'm fine with fulfilling their fantasy so long as they fulfill mine.
[blue]Preach brother, no issue with pretending they aren't hookers when you're with them if it means they fuck you better, but some of these guys really believe they aren't hookers.
A2[/blue][/QUOTE]Are SB's hookers or not- I'll try to keep this short.
Are they hooking? Yes. Are they hookers? Depends.
A hooker says you can do xyz to me for x amount of dollars. With a hooker, you show up with the right amount of dollars and you can do xyz to her, period. Only time a hooker is turning you away is if you are weird, have poor hygiene or give off cop vibes.
A SB, usually has and uses a bit or a lot more discernment. You have to at least send them a chatty message first, maybe go thru a meet and greet and then you score with the parameters being set by your prior discussions. They see what and who they are dealing with physically first and can judge their attraction/tolerance towards you. That use of discernment is the difference. And sure, since CL and BP got shut down, plenty of pros are playing the SB role to get business.
I just personally think there is a difference. Sure, punany is being exchanged for $. But the "customer service" aspect differs wildly. Like another poster said, the price of a pro gets you from 2-4 hours with a SB or more depending on chemistry. Ive had pros that were in my rotation for years and the arrangement stayed the same. With my best SBs I got discounts/freebies/extended time/extra goodies after dealing with them continually. Thats fewer and further in between with pros.
Sooooo. In the end, there's hooking and then there's being a hooker. Most of these SB's ain't holed up in a room for 12 hours a day fucking as many dudes as they can to make their nut and please a pimp. Maybe we need another name for them?
Hooker-lite?
Margerine Hoes?
Hoe Zero?
Organic Hoes?
I Cant Believe Its Pussy?
Low Calorie Pussy?
Just my two cents after a night of vodka and pussy. Be good bro's.
[QUOTE=Nateman;4961913]She could be a rock star and make serious bank if she wasn't so hopped up on H, meth or a combo of the two.
Lucked out and caught her on a good day a few weeks back, little head ignored the risk of her being on the copper radar and everything was more than I expected. BBBJ followed with cg then doggy. We definitely connected and I told her she is a gem that I can't wait to see again.
Fast forward to four days ago. She is all skeezed out via texts and won't answer the phone. Finally fires back in all caps saying she doesn't see Trump supporters then goes on a mini tirade about whatever popped into her skull at that second.
WTF, I never bring up politics with bitches, it is a given really that they are all dems and probably share instagram pix of their latest abortion.
Cross that one off the list. Sigh. This area sux donkey balls for us pooners. Especially when the transvestites put the women to shame in the looks department.
Saving money for a week of fun in Thailand once covid travel restrictions are lifted.[/QUOTE]I've seen Ashton a few times, and I've never had much trouble. I'm an insomniac, so I'm up all night. She's usually free around 2-3 am, and I can see her then. Honestly, I don't think I've ever seen signs of demons with her, and I'm not sure what makes you think she has any demons?
As for the dem and abortion thing, I don't think that's true at all. I'm sure others on the board can tell you about AJ and a few other providers that have been pregnant / are with kids. I don't think I know any provider that has had an abortion. Plus, I don't know if our hobby leaves us room to judge the actions of anyone else.
A lot of providers have preferences: some only see white, some see anything but AA, and I guess she sees anyone but Trump supporters. I think I'll have to see her again soon and ask her about politics.
Finally, I personally think she's one of the best looking providers for the amount.