BBFS and BBBJ

[QUOTE=KevinCostello;6281388]I called, texted no response- anyone get a response (I haven't sent a dick pic because that seems a very nonsensical way of verifying and worst case a photo collector.

I would so love for this service to be real and we need this every major city on both coasts now has a K-AMP bb agency why shouldn't we![/QUOTE]I've tried contacting them twice over the last month. No response.

A lot of times upstarts pop up and disappear as quickly. Either they loose their talent, get busted by LE, or they get muscled by the competition.

Hi all,

I'm from CT and frequent Manhattan's AMP scene. Not sure who here is familiar with NYC AMPs but these are not like most AMPs that are dotted about strip malls all over the country. These. For lack of better words. Are brothels disguised (poorly) as spas. They all require advanced screening. The locations are all somewhat secretive and there is zero pretext about why folks visit these places. You don't pay a door fee and then haggle about the tip. It's much simpler. There have half-hourly / hourly /90 min /120 min rates.

That said, are there similar places in and around Miami? I'll be staying at the Marriott by the airport. It'd be my preference not to have to travel too terribly far but then again. For a good place, I'm a motivated guy.

Any help / guidance would be greatly appreciated! TIA.

[QUOTE=GladiateHer73;6290154]Hi all,

I'm from CT and frequent Manhattan's AMP scene. Not sure who here is familiar with NYC AMPs but these are not like most AMPs that are dotted about strip malls all over the country. These. For lack of better words. Are brothels disguised (poorly) as spas. They all require advanced screening. The locations are all somewhat secretive and there is zero pretext about why folks visit these places. You don't pay a door fee and then haggle about the tip. It's much simpler. There have half-hourly / hourly /90 min /120 min rates.

That said, are there similar places in and around Miami? I'll be staying at the Marriott by the airport. It'd be my preference not to have to travel too terribly far but then again. For a good place, I'm a motivated guy.

Any help / guidance would be greatly appreciated! TIA.[/QUOTE]Dream Girls Spa in Hialeah. Personally I would not recommend going to that area after dark, but during the day you should be fine. Hand over 200 and you'll spend the next 30 minutes with a smile on your face. BBFS will depend on the girl.

[QUOTE=Animal131;5961357]Unfortunately, there are a group of men that are willing to fall on the sword for any woman (aka mama issues). They stay in packs on forums, groups or reddit sites and anytime you point out to stop letting these 304's walk all over you they pop out like white knights to shame you.

Let these guys do what they want. These are the same guys that get caught in stings and have no situational awareness.[/QUOTE]Now, she goes by Elle Love. Don't say you weren't warned. [URL]https://tryst.link/escort/ellelovexo[/URL].

[QUOTE=DaGreatOne2345;6298017]Now, she goes by Elle Love. Don't say you weren't warned. [URL]https://tryst.link/escort/ellelovexo[/URL].[/QUOTE]I'm confused as to why there's so much hostility towards this provider. Am I missing something?

[URL]https://www.eros.com/florida/miami/files/5318968.htm?cat=66[/URL]

Some of the best DT sloppy toppy with CIM you can get for 200 for 20 minutes with her. She does 400 for HH, but doesn't keep track of time, so you can do 200 for 30 minutes with her easily. Incall a safe in Brickell. She's a fitness model too, those abs are to die for.

[QUOTE=AnagramJayson;6329134][URL]https://www.eros.com/florida/miami/files/5318968.htm?cat=66[/URL]

Some of the best DT sloppy toppy with CIM you can get for 200 for 20 minutes with her. She does 400 for HH, but doesn't keep track of time, so you can do 200 for 30 minutes with her easily. Incall a safe in Brickell. She's a fitness model too, those abs are to die for.[/QUOTE]She has 1 poor review on you-know-where by a user named Euclidean which I know is also active on this forum.

I've also seen she has a lot of (what may be) acne on her face from her Instagram profile. She does look hot but not sure it's really acne or could be signs of something contagious.

[QUOTE=RonnyShoe;6331884]She has 1 poor review on you-know-where by a user named Euclidean which I know is also active on this forum.

I've also seen she has a lot of (what may be) acne on her face from her Instagram profile. She does look hot but not sure it's really acne or could be signs of something contagious.[/QUOTE]She has a bit of acne, but nothing contagious as far as I can tell. I think her head is phenomenal, definitely Top 3 from what I've had.

[QUOTE=KevinCostello;6281388]I called, texted no response- anyone get a response (I haven't sent a dick pic because that seems a very nonsensical way of verifying and worst case a photo collector.

I would so love for this service to be real and we need this every major city on both coasts now has a K-AMP bb agency why shouldn't we![/QUOTE]So I actually sent a dick pic since I use a burner I wasn't too concerned and they finally responded like weeks later. Screen shot below and honestly seems like a scam to me. I'll never pay a $400 deposit to anyone.

[QUOTE=ElHombre69;6336328]So I actually sent a dick pic since I use a burner I wasn't too concerned and they finally responded like weeks later. Screen shot below and honestly seems like a scam to me. I'll never pay a $400 deposit to anyone.[/QUOTE]That's definitely a scam.

No reliable escort will ever ask for a dick pic BTW. Some of them charge small deposits (like 10-20% but $400 is way too much. This reminds me of a rip-off provider named Alexis Bijoux, the infamous redhead of Eros.

In the future, read the reviews on EBabylon, TER, and here if you're questioning whether an escort is legit or not. If she has no reviews, don't ever send a deposit or compromising photos (like dick pics).

[QUOTE=ElHombre69;6336328]So I actually sent a dick pic since I use a burner I wasn't too concerned and they finally responded like weeks later. Screen shot below and honestly seems like a scam to me. I'll never pay a $400 deposit to anyone.[/QUOTE]I didn't send any pics, dick or otherwise. I only sent a text from a burner. They asked for $350 "for screening" and a "month of any lady of your choice so you don't have to pay them. ".

After some back and forth with me pressing for some kind of assurance, they finally send they would send an email "receipt" as proof.

I never responded after that.

Anyone see Alexis recently? Is she a user? How's the incall?

[URL]https://tryst.link/escort/alexis-440[/URL]

I expect most of you guys have your BBFS providers that you keep secret. But I'm pretty sure any provider with more than 100 reviews on "tur" is bare friendly. My DMs are open if you can confirm. But just realized that BBFS is much more available than I originally thought with most high end providers.

[QUOTE=RonnyShoe;6369990]I expect most of you guys have your BBFS providers that you keep secret. But I'm pretty sure any provider with more than 100 reviews on "tur" is bare friendly. My DMs are open if you can confirm. But just realized that BBFS is much more available than I originally thought with most high end providers.[/QUOTE]There is no secret phrase nor handshake to getting laid. Just man up and ask. Some will say no, most will say yes. Providers are human, just like the girl next door. Therefore, the same rules of attraction apply.

[QUOTE=DaGreatOne2345;6298017]Now, she goes by Elle Love. Don't say you weren't warned. [URL]https://tryst.link/escort/ellelovexo[/URL].[/QUOTE]Sending one of these women your drivers license or even hoping on video for "verification" is absolutely nuts to me. With what some men here pay these women you can pay an all expenses paid vacation to Asia / Latin America and have more "dreams" than you can handle. Handing some woman in America your identity in this hobby is asking for trouble.

[QUOTE=RonnyShoe;6369990]I expect most of you guys have your BBFS providers that you keep secret. But I'm pretty sure any provider with more than 100 reviews on "tur" is bare friendly. My DMs are open if you can confirm. But just realized that BBFS is much more available than I originally thought with most high end providers.[/QUOTE]Why do you believe that? From my experience, it's the opposite. Very few high-end providers other than pornstars have ever allowed BBFS, including ones I've seen for months / years. My best sources of BBFS have been from Seeking Arrangement, AMPs, or low end nasty girls. The worst sources are Tryst / Eros escorts and strippers at nicer clubs.

Going to be in town for a bit soon and would definitely like some high end BBFS info. I see that most people here keep to themselves and that's honestly fine by me but my DMs are open if anyone wants to trade info from the New York or west coast area (I have plenty of providers who do it either discreetly or no so discreetly). Open to anything you guys might have except massage parlors. Thank you.

[QUOTE=YungStud240;6393391]Going to be in town for a bit soon and would definitely like some high end BBFS info. I see that most people here keep to themselves and that's honestly fine by me but my DMs are open if anyone wants to trade info from the New York or west coast area (I have plenty of providers who do it either discreetly or no so discreetly). Open to anything you guys might have except massage parlors. Thank you.[/QUOTE]Didn't expect this to be true but it was. Thanks for the info, very appreciated.

[QUOTE=Mcsylv;6391231]Why do you believe that? From my experience, it's the opposite. Very few high-end providers other than pornstars have ever allowed BBFS, including ones I've seen for months / years. My best sources of BBFS have been from Seeking Arrangement, AMPs, or low end nasty girls. The worst sources are Tryst / Eros escorts and strippers at nicer clubs.[/QUOTE]LOL you've been missing out. Every girl raw dogs someone. May not be you but they like raw dick as much as we like raw pussy. Some providers don't give you BBFS unless you ask them too. That also may be the case. It's also possible you can get rejected because you aren't attractive enough for them. That's also a possibility but BBFS is a lot more common that you think.

Also those rich guys that are doing regular Fmty are most definitely getting it raw if they ask for it.

And these girls get tested regularly because they are raw dogging a few of their clients. That's the real reason for testing.

[QUOTE=YungStud240;6393391]Going to be in town for a bit soon and would definitely like some high end BBFS info. I see that most people here keep to themselves and that's honestly fine by me but my DMs are open if anyone wants to trade info from the New York or west coast area (I have plenty of providers who do it either discreetly or no so discreetly). Open to anything you guys might have except massage parlors. Thank you.[/QUOTE]I have not been in the area recently, but several years ago I spent a lot of time in the Miami / Ft Lauderdale area. So, this intel is not recent, but these hoes were easy BBFS for me. They appear to be still active, as they have ads up from within the past 6 months or so. I do have pictures of some of these that I took myself, which I've posted on this board. I can provide links to those pictures, if needed.

[URL]https://tryst.link/escort/nuruspecialist[/URL]

[URL]https://sumosear.ch/images/webpage/delicious-milfy-back-in-town/49585180[/URL]

[URL]http://www.ginarollins.com/faq/[/URL] (based in NYC and LA, but frequently tours to Miami).

There is also Sara Brazilian if you want travel a bit further north, up to Boca, she was slam dunk CIP for me, but I've lately heard of many BBFS denials:

[URL]https://sarabrazilian.com[/URL]

There are a couple of others, who were still active a couple years ago, but I'm not sure are still around, as I don't see any ads: Anya, Latina redhead, and Ebony Barbi / Lauren Squirt. Maybe someone knows if they are still working, maybe under another name? If anyone knows if they are still around, could you please post a link?

I also fucked this one raw, both ass and pussy, but I'm not sure if she's active, either:

[URL]https://xlamma.com/us/davie-fl-escorts/Escort-GypsyMistress-34-183080[/URL]#.

She used to just go by "Gypsy" and "Nurse Gypsy", I raw dogged her for 150 almost 20 years ago, but now I see she's now doing some fancy medical fetish shit for 800. But she was easy BBFS and BBgreek back in the day, when she was just 19! If anyone knows her CURRENT menu, please post!

The best of the best, though, was Melody, the first link I listed above, totally passionate GFE, who I easily inseminated solo, and also did BBFS and BBgreek threesomes, with her stripper mother in law. Picture of Cuban Melody from 2011, below. She was around 21, then, so she's still quite young. I think I might have been the very first to cum-pump her professionally? But I don't know if she will fuck raw now, as readily as she did then!

Hi, visiting Miami soon, if you know any BBFS friendly providers for first visits let me know.

PMs are open too!

Was perusing through some ads and this one caught my curious eye. Normally don't go for black girl but she had the right assets for me. Getting the pertinent info from her I decided to try my luck and.

Offer an all natural experience with a facial and rim job (tried for the hell of) for $$ To my pleasant surprise she obliged and agreed. Problem was she was going to work with a friend in another city so made it difficult for me. Then she pulled the send me a verification pic. Told her was out of her mind. I think she was just playing games because that happened out of no where. She does look very promising she was just too far today. Told me she stays by downtown in Miami though. If interested hope your luck is better than mine. 323-7 81-4 305

Link:

https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/florida/miami/151205752#




CV.

[QUOTE=MarieDude;6559999]Hi, visiting Miami soon, if you know any BBFS friendly providers for first visits let me know.

PMs are open too![/QUOTE]If you're going to BBFS, you 100% should see a high-end provider. I recommend Dolly Jewel, she's a MILF and def one of the better BBFSers in Miami.

Found myself perusing with no real goal in mind and found this. Advertising the rare afternoon delight specialty. Tel:7868874564.

[URL]https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/florida/miami/159076123[/URL]

CV.

[URL]https://tryst.link/escort/yaqueline-23[/URL]

Melanie / Yaqueline / Jaqueline is the epitome of MILF providers. If you're looking for a woman who doesn't say "No" to anything, Melanie is the one for you. Her body is insane. I had to see it to believe it, and everything felt so soft. For her rate (450 for hour with BBFSCIP + MSOG + Anal), you're really getting the best bang for your buck.

Upon arriving at her incall, I failed No Nut November because of her, but it was well worth it. She DFKs, BBJs, let's you BBFS, and records. Even after we finished 2 rounds, she wanted to do a third round in Anal. Melanie's plastic body is insane. The definition of a bimbo MILF. If you're looking for a super fun BBFS experience, this is the provider to see.

[URL]https://tryst.link/escort/missvivianarose[/URL]

She's moving to Miami and is guaranteed BBFSCIP.

If anyone wants to share info for BBFS on seeking arrangement in Miami / FTL area send me a message. I have several in both locations and NYC as well.

[QUOTE=SportsGuyRed;6700557]If anyone wants to share info for BBFS on seeking arrangement in Miami / FTL area send me a message. I have several in both locations and NYC as well.[/QUOTE]Formerly on SA and now a UTR escort, I highly recommend seeing Giselle (at Icy. Bebe on Insta) for a fun bare service experience. I didn't specifically inquire about BBFS, but she let me do everything with her for a reasonable donation (think 8 $$ / hour for MSOG).

[URL]https://www.eros.com/florida/miami/files/1320036.htm[/URL]

[QUOTE=MattKirschner0;6699495][URL]https://tryst.link/escort/missvivianarose[/URL]

She's moving to Miami and is guaranteed BBFSCIP.[/QUOTE]Her TER: [URL]https://www.theeroticreview.com/reviews/viviana-rose-9049229900-387153[/URL].

DO NOT see this woman. She is not GFE and doesn't do anything bare. I tried discussing BBFS with her before meeting by telling her I had clean tests, and she responds with something like "I don't discuss that here, but suffice to say I enjoy it. " I put this together with Matt's reviews and figured it was a go, didn't force her to have a call and confirm. Also didn't ask about other menu stuff since she wasn't open to talking about it. What I ended up learning from her in person is that:

No go without extra tip:

Kissing: didn't ask amount.

DATY: didn't ask amount.

Anal: 900 fucking dollars. The highest upcharge for anal I've ever seen. This one at least was on her Tryst ad, so I knew about it. The others not being available was never made clear until she said no in person.

Off limits: bare anything, including BBBJ. This of course means CIM is off limits too. And yes, I did try to tip her extra for it, even though I thought it was included.

She's also a clock watcher. She arrived late by about 15 minutes into my room. I discreetly start a timer on my phone when she steps into my hotel. She collects her donation from the restroom. We talk for a bit, then I try to kiss and she only gives a light peck, says she doesn't like kissing and it's extra. Okay fine, we take off her clothes and I try to go down on her, extra trip required. I then tell her to go down on me, and she busts out the condom. I told her I made it clear I had tests to show her, she says she doesn't do bare. This is despite saying "she enjoys it" on text.

I'm super annoyed at this point, clear bait and switch, but what am I going to do, she has my 1600 already. Might as well make the best of it, maybe she's a fun fuck like Matt said in his TER reviews. Well she's not, can't take it deep and gets tired riding after a short time. I don't have a big dick, I'm fucking Asian. The worst part is, due to the condom and the shitty attitude and rules, it takes me a while for 1st pop. She had been rushing me near the end, telling me she just wants me to cum, let my nut out, etc. I can tell she's trying to finish up. When I finally cum, she goes to the restroom and washes off, then comes out with her clothes on. I look at my phone timer and there's still 43 minutes left on it. We chat for a little while longer, then she dips out when I have about 20 minutes left.

Absolutely awful experience.

[QUOTE=MattKirschner0;6702273]Formerly on SA and now a UTR escort, I highly recommend seeing Giselle (at Icy. Bebe on Insta) for a fun bare service experience. I didn't specifically inquire about BBFS, but she let me do everything with her for a reasonable donation (think 8 $$ / hour for MSOG).

[URL]https://www.eros.com/florida/miami/files/1320036.htm[/URL][/QUOTE]Her TER: [URL]https://www.theeroticreview.com/reviews/giselle-5616775080-389643[/URL].

We schedule a meeting for 8 PM, I confirm multiple times with her that it works and she confirms. Around 7:20, I text and tell her I'm finishing up dinner, will get back around 7;40 and shower, and be ready by 8. She confirms again. 8 PM comes, and she asks me to send an uber for her. Like WTF? I am annoyed but what am I going to do, I don't have a backup. I tell her sure, and she tells me she needs 10 minutes. 15 minutes later, she finally says she's ready, and I send uber.

Uber picks her up, and I give her the room number when she arrives. 20 minutes after arriving, she isn't in my room and has ghosted me.

[URL]https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/florida/miami/163050844[/URL]

[QUOTE=MattKirschner0;6699495][URL]https://tryst.link/escort/missvivianarose[/URL]

She's moving to Miami and is guaranteed BBFSCIP.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Mcsylv;6734461]Her TER: [URL]https://www.theeroticreview.com/reviews/viviana-rose-9049229900-387153[/URL].

DO NOT see this woman. She is not GFE and doesn't do anything bare. I tried discussing BBFS with her before meeting by telling her I had clean tests, and she responds with something like "I don't discuss that here, but suffice to say I enjoy it. " I put this together with Matt's reviews and figured it was a go, didn't force her to have a call and confirm. Also didn't ask about other menu stuff since she wasn't open to talking about it. What I ended up learning from her in person is that...[/QUOTE]Just wanted to give an update on this lovely lady that Matt recommended. I left her a negative review on TER mentioning the shenanigans she tried to pull. She sends me a text from a different number (I already blocked the first one), saying this:

"I see the poor review you left on TER. And to be honest it churned my stomach. I was friendly the entire time and sincerely wanted to help you reach your goal, which I did in fact help you achieve. Ironically you left that out of the review. This is my formal request for you to remove the review, as it does not reflect me or my service. I'm a kind, genuine, nurturing companion. Your description paints a false picture. This is my sole business and I put a lot of effort into it.

If you refuse, I have no choice but to blacklist you for all companions to be warned, as well as sharing on social media. I'd rather keep things peaceful. Please take a moment to remove the review. Thank you".

Do not see this woman.

[QUOTE=Louielouie;6742515][URL]https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/post/escorts/usa/florida/miami/163050844[/URL][/QUOTE]Of course not, she's like 80 years old.

[QUOTE=Mcsylv;6742758]Just wanted to give an update on this lovely lady that Matt recommended. I left her a negative review on TER mentioning the shenanigans she tried to pull. She sends me a text from a different number (I already blocked the first one), saying this:

"I see the poor review you left on TER. And to be honest it churned my stomach. I was friendly the entire time and sincerely wanted to help you reach your goal, which I did in fact help you achieve. Ironically you left that out of the review. This is my formal request for you to remove the review, as it does not reflect me or my service. I'm a kind, genuine, nurturing companion. Your description paints a false picture. This is my sole business and I put a lot of effort into it.

If you refuse, I have no choice but to blacklist you for all companions to be warned, as well as sharing on social media. I'd rather keep things peaceful. Please take a moment to remove the review. Thank you".

Do not see this woman.[/QUOTE]Viviana reported my review saying it was fake. TER sent me the following message:

Hi,

The provider is disputing the review, as she does not recognize the details in the review and believes you may have confused her with another provider.

For our information to quickly resolve this, please provide the following:

Then they asked for some info on the date time / location, and a screenshot of the confirmation. I sent all of it, then I noticed that her profile on TER was no longer there. I guess she requested it be taken down.

Do not see this woman.

[QUOTE=Mcsylv;6751813]Viviana reported my review saying it was fake. TER sent me the following message:

Hi,

The provider is disputing the review, as she does not recognize the details in the review and believes you may have confused her with another provider.

For our information to quickly resolve this, please provide the following:

Then they asked for some info on the date time / location, and a screenshot of the confirmation. I sent all of it, then I noticed that her profile on TER was no longer there. I guess she requested it be taken down.

Do not see this woman.[/QUOTE]Good ish! Maybe next time she will think twice before she handles a situation like that ever again. We also have to remember this is a YMMV hobby, so there is a good chance you won't get the same experience another guy got from said provider.

[QUOTE=Mcsylv;6734461]Her TER: [URL]https://www.theeroticreview.com/reviews/viviana-rose-9049229900-387153[/URL].

DO NOT see this woman. She is not GFE and doesn't do anything bare. I tried discussing BBFS with her before meeting by telling her I had clean tests, and she responds with something like "I don't discuss that here, but suffice to say I enjoy it. " I put this together with Matt's reviews and figured it was a go, didn't force her to have a call and confirm.[/QUOTE]Dude those are two horrid experiences. I was thinking of seeing Viviane when she's up here in TPA but this is a needed wake up call that just because a provider isn't offering qv for $ doesn't make them more reliable or legit. If I'd paid her 1600 for that bullshit I'd be livid. The problem is when she was on SA or was a SB I suspect men would tolerate it thinking thered be more down the line. Can't pull that here for over a g a pop. Sorry to head about those two dude.

[QUOTE=MattKirschner0;6668627][URL]https://tryst.link/escort/yaqueline-23[/URL]

Melanie / Yaqueline / Jaqueline is the epitome of MILF providers. If you're looking for a woman who doesn't say "No" to anything, Melanie is the one for you. Her body is insane. I had to see it to believe it, and everything felt so soft. For her rate (450 for hour with BBFSCIP + MSOG + Anal), you're really getting the best bang for your buck.

Upon arriving at her incall, I failed No Nut November because of her, but it was well worth it. She DFKs, BBJs, let's you BBFS, and records. Even after we finished 2 rounds, she wanted to do a third round in Anal. Melanie's plastic body is insane. The definition of a bimbo MILF. If you're looking for a super fun BBFS experience, this is the provider to see.[/QUOTE]Anyone have current contact information for her. No response from texts and email bounced back. DM is fine. Willing to trade info too.

TIA,

Markshoe69.

[QUOTE=Habib961;5731934]I get it, saw Gina once and she smelled like she didn't shower, she seems like she's on something and her incall smells like wet dirty towels.

My ATF was Argentinean Cecy, I think she retired. Haven't heard back from her since late 2020. I had been seeing her since 2011 and was BBFSCIP, best BJ, rimming, you name it![/QUOTE]Reading this about Cecy makes me wonder what other girls provided bare back that I missed the opportunity with.

Anyone willing to share retired providers that used to bareback. Since they won't be coming back, always enjoy reading about fellow monger's conquests.

Someone like Ciri Lane I would've imagined probably had her select clients that let them hit it raw. Or Gema Ardiel, smoking piece of ass that I never had a chance to meet.

[QUOTE=RonnyShoe;6840335]Reading this about Cecy makes me wonder what other girls provided bare back that I missed the opportunity with.

Anyone willing to share retired providers that used to bareback. Since they won't be coming back, always enjoy reading about fellow monger's conquests.

Someone like Ciri Lane I would've imagined probably had her select clients that let them hit it raw. Or Gema Ardiel, smoking piece of ass that I never had a chance to meet.[/QUOTE]PM Me and we can trade information.

[QUOTE=RonnyShoe;6840335]Reading this about Cecy makes me wonder what other girls provided bare back that I missed the opportunity with.

Anyone willing to share retired providers that used to bareback. Since they won't be coming back, always enjoy reading about fellow monger's conquests.

Someone like Ciri Lane I would've imagined probably had her select clients that let them hit it raw. Or Gema Ardiel, smoking piece of ass that I never had a chance to meet.[/QUOTE]Got lucky with Ariana4 U once.

Olivia HES too many times to count. LOL.

[QUOTE=CoolBreeze99;6842393]Got lucky with Ariana4 U once.

Olivia HES too many times to count. LOL.[/QUOTE]Ariana4 u I remember seeing the name but can't remember the ad.

I remember HES. It was briefly around when I entered the game and I remember they had a couple of white girls. Never got with them.