Drama 101 in Cleveland

[QUOTE=LowRider69;3884173]OH? You are a low information voter/dumbass who is no longer denying being liberal scum. You voted for Odumbo and Crooked Hillary.

You have already proven your ignorance by saying the president is responsible for national debt. You further proved your ignorance by your inability to back up the garbage you post. Keep hoping Mueller can get rid of Trump, but be advised, Mueller already admitted he can't! LOL.

You are a disgrace to the flag and uniform you unAmerican filth. Gomer Pyle, you are a sissy, traitor and welfare bum! I dare you to claim you are not. You and your spawn are welfare bums sucking up the free food, housing and medical care. Not man enough to pay for your own stuff. Sad.[/QUOTE]Are you just bored and spewing insults to pass the time? I don't even think they're heartfelt anymore, just a form of verbal diarrhea. You can disagree with someone without them being "a disgrace to the flag and uniform you unAmerican filth" or they're "enemies of the people". This country's foundation is built on spirited debates; debates that include facts and citations (a way of proving "the truth" is based on some empirical data and not some hearsay). Name-calling isn't debating, it's just childish.

If you want to defend Trump I'm all ears, just back your platitudes up with verifiable facts and I'll be happy to consider your statements. But I'm pretty sure you'll just counter by insulting me in some way. I'm challenging you to raise the bar of this conversation. I would think I'd actually enjoy that.

There's a whole crew of mongers on here bragging about all the loads they've dumped in all their dates, both pussy and ass. They're trading all kinds of 'stuff' with each other and eating each others jizz so I doubt they're thinking about corona virus. Personally I'm kind of just watching, trying to ignore all the media induced hysteria (it's what they do best) and washing my hands a lot.

[QUOTE=MisterJao;4690755]With the coronavirus spreading, and no doubt soon to be in Ohio, I started thinking that this is going to cause some serious damage to our hobby.

I just canceled an appointment for next week with a touring provider, because I learned she is currently in California, where the greatest number of cases have been confirmed. Being over 60 AND diabetic, I am squarely in the "high risk" category. Am I paranoid? Considering people can transmit coronavirus before they even show any symptoms, hell to the yeah I'm paranoid.

If enough guys leave the hobby until this is over, I can imagine some providers will lose so much business they will end up homeless or worse. And others may get so desperate that they'll drop their prices to get the few clients still willing to risk it. I would not be surprised if many of the massage places shut down as well.

So what's the general feeling out there? Are you thinking of stepping away from the hobby for a while (especially if you are older or have health issues)? Or are you throwing caution to the wind, because you figure that if you don't get coronavirus from one of the girls, you're just going to get it from somewhere else anyway? Or are you thinking coronavirus is mostly hype and no worse than a flu outbreak ... thus no need to do anything differently?

Be safe, brothers![/QUOTE]

Done with the hobby for awhile. Its not the coronavirus its the "lack of respect virus" among providers today.

Wednesday afternoon I txt my (former, as in EX) ATF, Me, "How's Thursday 10 am for you", Her "perfect, call in AM to confirm". Thursday morning 9 am, Me "still on for 10 am? Her " I forgot I have to go shopping with Dad this morning, can we make this afternoon?" what she really means is she is "meeting daddy for her meds. " Like an A hole I reply alright how about 1 pm, she response 2 pm would be better, again like an a hole with a stiff one, I agree.

2 pm I txt her, "I'm here". 10 minutes later she responds, "just got home, taking a shower and putting stuff away, will just be a few minutes". My thoughts, she hasn't put anything in her apartment away for weeks, why now but I respond alright hurry up. 10 minutes later I txt "what's up?" few minutes later she text "I can't shower if you keep calling" 2:20 out of patience, I'm out. Its not the 20 minute plus she had me wait outside her door (parking lot), its the additional travel time coming and going and the fuking aggravation of disrespect for my time. I leave and of course I get the "what happened for you" text, about an hour later. I respond with a story of how to treat customer (clients) and the value of regulars over time, or lose their business but it went way over her drugged head.

Bottom line I'm done for awhile, I'm done leaving my dick control my days. (well at least til Monday's hardon.) Well at least with this non provider, see ya in Warren guys.

H.

[QUOTE=Hungryeye;4704023]Done with the hobby for awhile. Its not the coronavirus its the "lack of respect virus" among providers today.

Wednesday afternoon I txt my (former, as in EX) ATF, Me, "How's Thursday 10 am for you", Her "perfect, call in AM to confirm". Thursday morning 9 am, Me "still on for 10 am? Her " I forgot I have to go shopping with Dad this morning, can we make this afternoon?" what she really means is she is "meeting daddy for her meds. " Like an A hole I reply alright how about 1 pm, she response 2 pm would be better, again like an a hole with a stiff one, I agree.

2 pm I txt her, "I'm here". 10 minutes later she responds, "just got home, taking a shower and putting stuff away, will just be a few minutes". My thoughts, she hasn't put anything in her apartment away for weeks, why now but I respond alright hurry up. 10 minutes later I txt "what's up?" few minutes later she text "I can't shower if you keep calling" 2:20 out of patience, I'm out. Its not the 20 minute plus she had me wait outside her door (parking lot), its the additional travel time coming and going and the fuking aggravation of disrespect for my time. I leave and of course I get the "what happened for you" text, about an hour later. I respond with a story of how to treat customer (clients) and the value of regulars over time, or lose their business but it went way over her drugged head.

Bottom line I'm done for awhile, I'm done leaving my dick control my days. (well at least til Monday's hardon.) Well at least with this non provider, see ya in Warren guys.

H.[/QUOTE]Regular in elyria ghosted me, I'm done with her. I guess they think since you're a reg they can play you an think you'll still keep comin back. What really pisses me off when ghosted, its not the wasted time or gas. Its the wasted blue pill that pisses me off on the drive home. Those little pills are hella expensive.

[QUOTE=LancelotLink;4704315]Regular in elyria ghosted me, I'm done with her. I guess they think since you're a reg they can play you an think you'll still keep comin back. What really pisses me off when ghosted, its not the wasted time or gas. Its the wasted blue pill that pisses me off on the drive home. Those little pills are hella expensive.[/QUOTE]Your viagras are now generic and run about 2 bucks a piece.

Hungry and LL. I know we are all talking about different girls but the story is one and the same. Had a regular that I had been seeing for a while and made a date. All good right? So I head out get to the incall. , text and crickets. This has never happened with her so I wait 10-15, try again and nothing. 5 more minutes and msg her that I'm leaving. Never heard a peep from her and all she had to do was explain the issue and an apology would have me giving her a break. (I loved her oral skills! Anyhow, I posted a review about it on another site and it really pissed her off. I also found out that a provider can scrub reports they don't like on them. Never ever to return and like the rest she'll never figure out how having regulars is way better than a blind shot in the dark with a stranger / new guy.

Like Hungry I'm real close to closing up shop. I haven't seen anyone for a few weeks now and just like quitting smoking I think I'm kind of over the withdrawal affects. I know I'll enjoy having all the extra money at the end of the month but I'm just not sure what to do with all the extra free time I'm going to have. Maybe volunteer at the women's shelter?

I like the volunteer aspect, LOL. For me The game truly is my hobby, some guys play golf, go fishing, play baseball, for me I love chasing the girls. Money wise its fuking crazy, I know I'm worth at least 5 k a year to my regular ATF. And at least another 5 k a year doing every other chick I can, and I never pass up an AMP. When I think of the $ its nuts. Guess I've had worse habits over the years, gambling, booze, etc. I'm starting to talk myself into volunteering with you.

H.

[QUOTE=ZigBang1;4704572]Like Hungry I'm real close to closing up shop. I haven't seen anyone for a few weeks now and just like quitting smoking I think I'm kind of over the withdrawal affects. I know I'll enjoy having all the extra money at the end of the month but I'm just not sure what to do with all the extra free time I'm going to have. Maybe volunteer at the women's shelter?[/QUOTE]

And the market economy. Someone smarter than me check this, as supply increases aka crappy hourly workers and others that will be first to feel the impact due to lack of resources, aka girls for us to see. Pricing should decrease exponentially for all because demand (us monger types) are on the sidelines stacking cash from jobs that care about us.

Noobs will enter the marketplace, seeing lower and lower prices, will start quoting under $ for an hour.

Then I can have big fun with stacks for days!

Sounds good, right?

I had a regular that I was seeing weekly for couple of months until all of a sudden she wanted more money. I asked what was going to be different, and she said nothing, just raising her rates. I haven't seen her since, and she is posting more ads than before. I guess nobody is paying her rates more than once or seeing her for the first time.

Maybe these girls will stop asking for deposits when making the appointment. I can't believe anyone would even consider doing it.

[QUOTE=MrSmith1969;4705132]And the market economy. Someone smarter than me check this, as supply increases aka crappy hourly workers and others that will be first to feel the impact due to lack of resources, aka girls for us to see. Pricing should decrease exponentially for all because demand (us monger types) are on the sidelines stacking cash from jobs that care about us.

Noobs will enter the marketplace, seeing lower and lower prices, will start quoting under $ for an hour.

Then I can have big fun with stacks for days!

Sounds good, right?[/QUOTE]I agree 100%.

I was thinking the same in that there will likely be new talent available with the hourly workers being impacted. I feel like prices should be going down.

Thinking further about impacts. I am not a massage parlor guy but I have to think the batch of new girls at the AMP is no longer the exciting thing it used to be.

A new bunch of Asian ladies traveling in from what province? F that!

I've seen a few posts about the cost of the hobby. I think Hungry a few posts mentioned he's laying out over 10 K a year to play.

Well, to my way of thinking, that's not too bad. I'm now 62, I was married for 8 years and I have 3 kids. They are all grown now and I don't hear from then unless they want something, for the most part. I'm going to tell you guys something resulting from my own thought, experience, and reading.

We are men. We need sex as a part of our biological foundation. That's why we go out looking for pussy. Now, if you look at the way convention would have it, we should go out, find a woman, woo her at a cost of thousands of dollars in time and dates like dinners, shows, movies, and what all. Hey, start adding up a really good meal at a fancy steakhouse, drinks, maybe a movie or show. You're talking a couple hundred at least, depending on what city you are in.

And then maybe you get some action. Then you maybe finally find one and get married and have kids, and you hope, yes, hope, that you get the sex you need. And you hope that you not only get the sex you need, but that you get the sex you desire. BJs, get a little rimming, get a little anal, go down on a sweet shaved pussy. I mean, you already gave up your biological need for variety, right?

So, my experience is that you don't get any of that. And sex is less frequent, much less getting a great blowjob. And, What I see is these women, once the bait was successful and the catch made, let the bait go and become fat and lazy. They become something you don't want to have sex with. I am seeing this happen even as I write this post to a couple guys I know.

And how much are you going to spend for this merry go round? 10K a year? Ha! Keep going my fellow hobbyists. Much more. And not only that, you spend more, get less, and lose your freedom to boot. And I didn't even start on what happens if you have kids. You become not much more than a machine generating money to support 3 or 4 other people, then you try to save a little, retire and die.

Fuck that. If I knew when I was 20 what I know now, I would never have gotten married or had kids intentionally. I would have stuck with the hobby and today I would be a wealthy man as well as not having done time at that.

Its much more economical as well as more satisfying to pay to play directly rather than indirectly.

Cheech

Yep, the only difference in sex that you pay for and sex that is free is that the sex you pay for is usually cheaper.

[QUOTE=Cheech1;4706398]I've seen a few posts about the cost of the hobby. I think Hungry a few posts mentioned he's laying out over 10 K a year to play.

Well, to my way of thinking, that's not too bad. I'm now 62, I was married for 8 years and I have 3 kids. They are all grown now and I don't hear from then unless they want something, for the most part. I'm going to tell you guys something resulting from my own thought, experience, and reading.

We are men. We need sex as a part of our biological foundation. That's why we go out looking for pussy. Now, if you look at the way convention would have it, we should go out, find a woman, woo her at a cost of thousands of dollars in time and dates like dinners, shows, movies, and what all. Hey, start adding up a really good meal at a fancy steakhouse, drinks, maybe a movie or show. You're talking a couple hundred at least, depending on what city you are in.

And then maybe you get some action. Then you maybe finally find one and get married and have kids, and you hope, yes, hope, that you get the sex you need. And you hope that you not only get the sex you need, but that you get the sex you desire. BJs, get a little rimming, get a little anal, go down on a sweet shaved pussy. I mean, you already gave up your biological need for variety, right?

So, my experience is that you don't get any of that. And sex is less frequent, much less getting a great blowjob. And, What I see is these women, once the bait was successful and the catch made, let the bait go and become fat and lazy. They become something you don't want to have sex with. I am seeing this happen even as I write this post to a couple guys I know.

And how much are you going to spend for this merry go round? 10K a year? Ha! Keep going my fellow hobbyists. Much more. And not only that, you spend more, get less, and lose your freedom to boot. And I didn't even start on what happens if you have kids. You become not much more than a machine generating money to support 3 or 4 other people, then you try to save a little, retire and die.

Fuck that. If I knew when I was 20 what I know now, I would never have gotten married or had kids intentionally. I would have stuck with the hobby and today I would be a wealthy man as well as not having done time at that.

Its much more economical as well as more satisfying to pay to play directly rather than indirectly.

Cheech[/QUOTE]So married 35 yrs, wife was a **** before wedding cake, then the fucking stopped, then the BJ, and now the only sex we have is hallway sex when we tell each other Fuck you! If I get caught in the hobby she will take a whole lot more than $10 grand a year. Like Cheech I wish I new 35 years ago, been better off single. Then again when you are young, who listens to an old man, they tried to warn me!

They tried to warn me too. I was too smart to listen.

Cheech.

[QUOTE=Cheech1;4706850]They tried to warn me too. I was too smart to listen.

Cheech.[/QUOTE]Geez. Thought I was the only one. I told them they were all nuts. Mine was a freak in the sheets, or wherever we happen to be, until the honeymoon. She would fuck or suck anywhere anytime and now we barely kiss. I chased it for years until I gave up. How many times do I need to stick my head in that freezing bucket of ice bobbing for an "apple" until I stop being a moron that thinks maybe this time she'll be into it, LOL. I never even considered this "lifestyle" until the wife snuck off the reservation to get a little dirty damp and deep (got to throw that in for the BB fans). Wish I would have known. Can't count how many times I ignored advances because of the ring. Oh well.

Maybe you could talk her into swinging. Or give her a good spanking, LOL.

Cheech.

Each year on St Pats day I take off work, get drunk and do as many women as possible. This year the virus BS and the government closing bars and calling to stay in groups of less than ten will make it much more difficult to carry on. To do my part I've committed myself to no more than a threesome today and a possible make up day in the near future.

Stay safe,

H.

[QUOTE=Cheech1;4706398]I've seen a few posts about the cost of the hobby. I think Hungry a few posts mentioned he's laying out over 10 K a year to play.

Well, to my way of thinking, that's not too bad. I'm now 62, I was married for 8 years and I have 3 kids. They are all grown now and I don't hear from then unless they want something, for the most part. I'm going to tell you guys something resulting from my own thought, experience, and reading.

We are men. We need sex as a part of our biological foundation. That's why we go out looking for pussy. Now, if you look at the way convention would have it, we should go out, find a woman, woo her at a cost of thousands of dollars in time and dates like dinners, shows, movies, and what all. Hey, start adding up a really good meal at a fancy steakhouse, drinks, maybe a movie or show. You're talking a couple hundred at least, depending on what city you are in.

And then maybe you get some action. Then you maybe finally find one and get married and have kids, and you hope, yes, hope, that you get the sex you need. And you hope that you not only get the sex you need, but that you get the sex you desire. BJs, get a little rimming, get a little anal, go down on a sweet shaved pussy. I mean, you already gave up your biological need for variety, right?

So, my experience is that you don't get any of that. And sex is less frequent, much less getting a great blowjob. And, What I see is these women, once the bait was successful and the catch made, let the bait go and become fat and lazy. They become something you don't want to have sex with. I am seeing this happen even as I write this post to a couple guys I know.

And how much are you going to spend for this merry go round? 10K a year? Ha! Keep going my fellow hobbyists. Much more. And not only that, you spend more, get less, and lose your freedom to boot. And I didn't even start on what happens if you have kids. You become not much more than a machine generating money to support 3 or 4 other people, then you try to save a little, retire and die.

Fuck that. If I knew when I was 20 what I know now, I would never have gotten married or had kids intentionally. I would have stuck with the hobby and today I would be a wealthy man as well as not having done time at that.

Its much more economical as well as more satisfying to pay to play directly rather than indirectly.

Cheech[/QUOTE]Never been happier since I left my wife. Not just sexually either but in every aspect of life. Best thing I ever did.

[QUOTE=AlSmits346;4709123]Never been happier since I left my wife. Not just sexually either but in every aspect of life. Best thing I ever did.[/QUOTE]Amen brother.

I'm guessing most of us have made the same kind of mistake at least once.

[QUOTE=AlSmits346;4709123]Never been happier since I left my wife. Not just sexually either but in every aspect of life. Best thing I ever did.[/QUOTE]

Looks like a lot of us have been there done that. I love living single again. And what I spend today is much less then what I paid keeping a wife. Not counting the BS that comes with the wife.

H.

The thing is, society, religion and government have all adopted rules that, unbeknownst to most of us, turn us into slaves if we marry and have kids. And even if we are married and have no kids if we are married long enough. It is the attempt to control men thru access to sex, which I'm sure I have posted about before. If you want to protect yourself, you have to really understand the laws and have a good lawyer to set up a trust for yourself that exists before you marry to protect your assets from predation if the marriage goes sour, especially if you have kids. After you marry, for the most part everything you create will be considered to be half hers. If you have kids, the domestic relations gestapo, usually these days a feminist woman, will drag every dime you create that is not protected in some way to "calculate" how much child support you owe. And remember, you have no control on how that money is spent. As long as she can show the kids have a roof over their heads, clothing and meals, she can spend the rest in the casino if she wants to. And if you give the judge as a reason for divorce that the hot 20 something woman you married has turned into a 30 something 350 lb. Blob of fat that not only keeps a dirty house but that you wouldn't fuck with the judge's strap-on, she'll hang your ass from the nearest streetlight.

Its just a bad situation. In my case, I don't even want to go into it. Lets just say my youngest is 29, and my child support is almost paid off.

Cheech.

[QUOTE=ZigBang1;4709318]I'm guessing most of us have made the same kind of mistake at least once.[/QUOTE]I came close twice but never went thru with it and in both cases they showed their inner ***** before we got hitched and in one case she was nice enough to get fat BEFORE she had me trapped lmao. Of course, the fact that the one that got fat also became a self identified inter-sectional feminist (who believed that EVERY man should pay alimony regardless of income disparity for LIFE!) towards the end of our relationship was reason enough to run away screaming.

Honestly I know of several happy couples but they are few and far between. I'd love to find the one but it's not worth playing the financial Russian roulette.

My first thought was this is a total BS post. And several post followed asking for who the girl is in the post. Nothing. I tend to agree with some of the other comments about how to treat a provider. If the girl in your post actually exists then she sounds like someone I would have had way more fun with. I've never had a provider say "Hey, where are you going? Don't leave me yet, I want more". Bottom line if you treat someone like $hit you are going to be treated like $hit in return. Believe it that I've spoken with girls that use their right to pick and chose same as we do. They have their own list of "one and done" and won't ever accept a repeat from certain mongers.

[QUOTE=JackRogers;4773904]Visited a well reviewed provider a couple months back, before the Corona! It is rare for me to want anything but good head with swallow. Occasionally I will hit it from the back or get some anal, but she has to be clean and at least appear safe.

This provider wanted to screw but I explained that I only wanted oral. She asked me if I eat pussy, yes I said but not today. After I shot my load, I started getting dressed and she got pissed and said "what about me"? "Aren't you going to return the favor?

I explained that I am paying her to give me good head, swallow my load and occasionally bend over. That as a paying customer I only want what I want. At the end of the day we all know what we are paying for.

She started crying and said "I am not a *****". I just smiled and left.

Am I wrong in only wanting what I want??[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ZigBang1;4775441]My first thought was this is a total BS post. And several post followed asking for who the girl is in the post. Nothing. I tend to agree with some of the other comments about how to treat a provider. If the girl in your post actually exists then she sounds like someone I would have had way more fun with. I've never had a provider say "Hey, where are you going? Don't leave me yet, I want more". Bottom line if you treat someone like $hit you are going to be treated like $hit in return. Believe it that I've spoken with girls that use their right to pick and chose same as we do. They have their own list of "one and done" and won't ever accept a repeat from certain mongers.[/QUOTE]Now way this girl even exist.

[QUOTE=ZigBang1;4775441]My first thought was this is a total BS post. And several post followed asking for who the girl is in the post. Nothing. I tend to agree with some of the other comments about how to treat a provider. If the girl in your post actually exists then she sounds like someone I would have had way more fun with. I've never had a provider say "Hey, where are you going? Don't leave me yet, I want more". Bottom line if you treat someone like $hit you are going to be treated like $hit in return. Believe it that I've spoken with girls that use their right to pick and chose same as we do. They have their own list of "one and done" and won't ever accept a repeat from certain mongers.[/QUOTE]I agree that we should not treat them like cum dumps but at the end of the day that is what they are. Did I mean to hurt her feelings, no not at all. But I provided a fee I expect a service I pay for. I will say she was fairly stoned.

If I was actual a total dick, I would tell you her name so you all could make fun of her, I think she is newer to the business. I never said she she "don't leave me" or "I want more" she felt that she gave me some good head and she wanted her pussy licked. I could only image t dicks in that thing, nope only blowjobs for me. I am very upfront with these girls, they need to either agree or say no. When they way yes, cum dump it is. Period.

[QUOTE=ZigBang1;4775441]My first thought was this is a total BS post. And several post followed asking for who the girl is in the post. Nothing. I tend to agree with some of the other comments about how to treat a provider. If the girl in your post actually exists then she sounds like someone I would have had way more fun with. I've never had a provider say "Hey, where are you going? Don't leave me yet, I want more". Bottom line if you treat someone like $hit you are going to be treated like $hit in return. Believe it that I've spoken with girls that use their right to pick and chose same as we do. They have their own list of "one and done" and won't ever accept a repeat from certain mongers.[/QUOTE]I agree, she doesn't exist. I had asked who she was couple days ago. Sounded like someone I could have allot of fun with as a regular. I love to make a woman feel as good as me. Guarantees a great time and as a regular usually no more clock watching.

[QUOTE=XmasBeagle;5007286]There are definitely $400 and up girls out there. I see plenty of them. Early 20's, absolutely perfect bodies, 10/10, no drugs. BB everything, sometimes including greek, CIP most often available. Filming. No rush. Take directions and suggestions. Come to me instead of me to them. Reliable txters and schedulers.

It's a lot of money to some, not a lot to others. Also, inflation is a thing and so is an old timer trying to buy soda for a nickel. Ohio prices are a thing, too.

You win some, you lose some. It was a loss, close to a draw with eve. I have a UTR $250 girl that checks off everything I discussed above that I give $400 to just because. She stays for hours and I film 70 to 120 GB of footage with her. She should be in LA earning $1000.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I'm with XmasBeagle on this one. Like most things, you get what you pay for. You want a real PSE, you pay for it. I've paid the extra and had the young girls with the flawless bodies. I've bad with pocket change and gotten a quick BBBJ from a SW who needed the money to get her next score. All depends on what you want.

[QUOTE=InDelaware;5014206]Yeah, I'm with XmasBeagle on this one. Like most things, you get what you pay for. You want a real PSE, you pay for it. I've paid the extra and had the young girls with the flawless bodies. I've bad with pocket change and gotten a quick BBBJ from a SW who needed the money to get her next score. All depends on what you want.[/QUOTE]Unless its a famous porn star for a bucket list thing. These girls couldn't make 20 bucks an hour in a real job, them asking 400 for 20 minutes with you is absurd. Its also a big turnoff. So say you make 60 k per year, that's 30 bucks an hour. One of these girls are worth 15 hours of your paycheck? Think about it. Your only spending 20 minutes or so of real fun, and the girl cares NOTHING about you. If she saw you in public she would walk the other way. And it really doesn't matter how much we make. I make much more now than 10 years ago, but I don't pay 4 times as much for oil changes, food, etc. You get what you pay. That's something a salesperson would say. People who pay 400 are they also going to the bar and buying everyone drinks and thinking they have a lot of friends. Another absurd thing is being a sugar daddy. How degrading. The girl pretends to like a guy for an allowance. I know its different from a high prices girl, but there are similarities. They both just scratch an itch. They are completely superficial and neither will ever lead to anything real. That right there makes them not worth anywhere near 400. Here's a thought experiment. (2) 400 vouchers, you get to choose a) spending 20 minutes of fun with 2 girls or B) a set of Ping golf clubs that will last 30 years. Or C) a full fly fishing rig that will last 30 years or D) Hunting equipment that will last 30 years or 800 dollars of anything. Who would honestly pick (A) over all other choices. Again its like going on a real date with a girl-she picks the most expensive drinks and food, wants you to take her shopping after. I think most of us have been here and when this happens its a total turn off no matter what the girl looks like. How low does the girl think we are to pay 400 for her. That's how I look at it and I can't see how others look at it differently. IMO no girl is worth more than 120 for a QV. She can do a 20 minute qv for 120 or work an 8 hour shift bartending to make the same amount. And even at 120 most of these girls are disappointing, even the hot ones.

Since we don't run in those circles we forget there are some people who have (earn, inherit, invent, whatever) much more money than they know what to do with. I have seen those people. It could very well be your next door neighbor who is worth 10 MM and you would never guess. So to them, for whatever reason, it's worth it. Not in the cards for me or probably for most of us. But, if you've got it enjoy it.

[QUOTE=SpinnerLover69;5015762]Unless its a famous porn star for a bucket list thing. These girls couldn't make 20 bucks an hour in a real job, them asking 400 for 20 minutes with you is absurd. Its also a big turnoff. So say you make 60 k per year, that's 30 bucks an hour. One of these girls are worth 15 hours of your paycheck? Think about it. Your only spending 20 minutes or so of real fun, and the girl cares NOTHING about you. If she saw you in public she would walk the other way. And it really doesn't matter how much we make. I make much more now than 10 years ago, but I don't pay 4 times as much for oil changes, food, etc. You get what you pay. That's something a salesperson would say. People who pay 400 are they also going to the bar and buying everyone drinks and thinking they have a lot of friends. Another absurd thing is being a sugar daddy. How degrading. The girl pretends to like a guy for an allowance. I know its different from a high prices girl, but there are similarities. They both just scratch an itch. They are completely superficial and neither will ever lead to anything real. That right there makes them not worth anywhere near 400. Here's a thought experiment. (2) 400 vouchers, you get to choose a) spending 20 minutes of fun with 2 girls or B) a set of Ping golf clubs that will last 30 years. Or C) a full fly fishing rig that will last 30 years or D) Hunting equipment that will last 30 years or 800 dollars of anything. Who would honestly pick (A) over all other choices. Again its like going on a real date with a girl-she picks the most expensive drinks and food, wants you to take her shopping after. I think most of us have been here and when this happens its a total turn off no matter what the girl looks like. How low does the girl think we are to pay 400 for her. That's how I look at it and I can't see how others look at it differently. IMO no girl is worth more than 120 for a QV. She can do a 20 minute qv for 120 or work an 8 hour shift bartending to make the same amount. And even at 120 most of these girls are disappointing, even the hot ones.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SpinnerLover69;5015762]Unless its a famous porn star for a bucket list thing. These girls couldn't make 20 bucks an hour in a real job, them asking 400 for 20 minutes with you is absurd. Its also a big turnoff. So say you make 60 k per year, that's 30 bucks an hour. One of these girls are worth 15 hours of your paycheck? Think about it. Your only spending 20 minutes or so of real fun, and the girl cares NOTHING about you. If she saw you in public she would walk the other way. And it really doesn't matter how much we make. I make much more now than 10 years ago, but I don't pay 4 times as much for oil changes, food, etc. You get what you pay. That's something a salesperson would say. People who pay 400 are they also going to the bar and buying everyone drinks and thinking they have a lot of friends. Another absurd thing is being a sugar daddy. How degrading. The girl pretends to like a guy for an allowance. I know its different from a high prices girl, but there are similarities. They both just scratch an itch. They are completely superficial and neither will ever lead to anything real. That right there makes them not worth anywhere near 400. Here's a thought experiment. (2) 400 vouchers, you get to choose a) spending 20 minutes of fun with 2 girls or B) a set of Ping golf clubs that will last 30 years. Or C) a full fly fishing rig that will last 30 years or D) Hunting equipment that will last 30 years or 800 dollars of anything. Who would honestly pick (A) over all other choices. Again its like going on a real date with a girl-she picks the most expensive drinks and food, wants you to take her shopping after. I think most of us have been here and when this happens its a total turn off no matter what the girl looks like. How low does the girl think we are to pay 400 for her. That's how I look at it and I can't see how others look at it differently. IMO no girl is worth more than 120 for a QV. She can do a 20 minute qv for 120 or work an 8 hour shift bartending to make the same amount. And even at 120 most of these girls are disappointing, even the hot ones.[/QUOTE]There are a lot of holes in your theory. First, comparing having a high-end girl for a short time to buying golf clubs is a flawed argument that assumes a finite amount of money where that isn't the case for everyone. Second, you left out volume; if you see 4 120 girls in a month where someone else sees one 400 girl, you've spent more.

I get the argument, and I've seen both types, but in the end I'd prefer quality over quantity. There is no comparison between the quality of the 400 girls to the 120 girls. In general, no drama, no tracks / bruises / cuts / scabs / rashes / etc. , no pimps waiting to rob you, no shady neighborhoods, etc. With the 400 girls.

Like the other guy said, your position is full of flaws.

[QUOTE=SpinnerLover69;5015762]Your only spending 20 minutes or so of real fun.[/QUOTE]This is the biggest hole in your argument.

I spend at least an hour with my expensive girls, if not two or more. And it's not $400 per hour, it's $400 per visit. And it's not restrictive, full of rules, CFS. It's wide open menu, BB, filming. The filming alone allows me to preserve the date. That's my 30 years of fishing gear right there.

[QUOTE=SpinnerLover69;5015762]and the girl cares NOTHING about you.[/QUOTE]Good.

[QUOTE=SpinnerLover69;5015762]You get what you pay.[/QUOTE]Exactly.

[QUOTE=SpinnerLover69;5015762]People who pay 400 are they also going to the bar and buying everyone drinks and thinking they have a lot of friends.[/QUOTE]Literally the only thing I spend any money on are my three hobbies, all of which are expensive.

[QUOTE=SpinnerLover69;5015762]spending 20 minutes of fun with 2 girls or B) a set of Ping golf clubs that will last 30 years. Or C) a full fly fishing rig that will last 30 years or D) Hunting equipment that will last 30 years[/QUOTE]I know you're cherry picking tangible products there, but I get what you're saying. Golf clubs, fishing crap, hunting stuff doesn't interest me at all. What does interest me? Fucking and filming drop dead gorgeous women. So THAT'S what I spend my money on.

[QUOTE=SpinnerLover69;5015762]who would pick A over all other choices. [/QUOTE]Me.

[QUOTE=Bundy71;5016680]I get the argument, and I've seen both types, but in the end I'd prefer quality over quantity. There is no comparison between the quality of the 400 girls to the 120 girls. In general, no drama, no tracks / bruises / cuts / scabs / rashes / etc. , no pimps waiting to rob you, no shady neighborhoods, etc. With the 400 girls.[/QUOTE]Exactly. I've been dumpster diving, too. I'm sick of it. If I could see four $100 cracked out addicts or one $400 stunner, I know what I'm picking.

If I'm hungry, I might go to McDonalds, Longhorn if I want to relax, or Ruth's Chris if I want to dine. I think even the most frugal monger will agree that everyone isn't always in the mood for a burger, even if it will get him full.

[QUOTE=XmasBeagle;5017840]Like the other guy said, your position is full of flaws.

This is the biggest hole in your argument.

I spend at least an hour with my expensive girls, if not two or more. And it's not $400 per hour, it's $400 per visit. And it's not restrictive, full of rules, CFS. It's wide open menu, BB, filming. The filming alone allows me to preserve the date. That's my 30 years of fishing gear right there.

Good.

Exactly.

Literally the only thing I spend any money on are my three hobbies, all of which are expensive.

I know you're cherry picking tangible products there, but I get what you're saying. Golf clubs, fishing crap, hunting stuff doesn't interest me at all. What does interest me? Fucking and filming drop dead gorgeous women. So THAT'S what I spend my money on.

Me.

Exactly. I've been dumpster diving, too. I'm sick of it. If I could see four $100 cracked out addicts or one $400 stunner, I know what I'm picking.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BukLulu;5039886]Girls like that belong in institutions.[/QUOTE]Should we stay away? Just curious why you say that.

Sounds like this is the escort girl posting this ha?

[QUOTE=TooTired;5042639]So, call me a white knight if you want or whatever else. But there is a lot of hypocrisy and bullshit. I know a provider who isn't necessarily UTR, but isn't high volume either, but she was telling me the other day about what she goes through and it really made me step back a little. Just like I'm sure there are people on here who had bad experiences, she too has has bad ones so she does light screening to ensure she is safe. There are people who get so pissy about that, but they are the same ones that ask for face pics of her or nudes, but don't want to complete her screening and are incredibly rude to her. She is always polite and accommodating (to me, and from what she has showed me). She has had two Senior members on here completely either ghost her or waste her time incredibly rudely. To the guys that understand that their escort's time and safety is as valuable as yours I applaud you. But to the hypocrites that cry that they get bullshitted but the play games with someone who was nothing but as accommodating as they could be. Why? You then wonder why you don't get good providers. Just because we are the one's donating doesn't necessarily always mean we are entitled. Respect is a two way street.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Searcher55;5043356]Sounds like this is the escort girl posting this ha?[/QUOTE]Definitely not. I just actually treat these girls respectfully and gain a lot more out of it ha? Please.

Based off the only two posts "he" has, I agree with your judgement.

[QUOTE=Searcher55;5043356]Sounds like this is the escort girl posting this ha?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Searcher55;5043356]Sounds like this is the escort girl posting this ha?[/QUOTE]Guys don't get on the board and rant like that, with 3 post all about how good they treat these women, no useful knowledge posted, it's definitely some chick that got butt hurt.

[QUOTE=DarkLotus;5044211]Guys don't get on the board and rant like that, with 3 post all about how good they treat these women, no useful knowledge posted, it's definitely some chick that got butt hurt.[/QUOTE]Long time watcher. You guys aren't experts LOL. Why am I not allowed to be a male and say something like that. It's that surprising to you pricks that other men actually are respectful? I hope your daughters or mothers get treated the way you treat these females. You're the same ones to treat a girl like shit but then cry when her pimp backhands you and robs you. Boohoo. Not saying all girls have good intentions, but you always shit on the good ones and cry when you get the bad ones. No wonder your wives won't fuck you.