General Reports

[QUOTE=AntiSane;5918677]That's hilarious! In this guy's defense though you need to admit that over the last 5 years the ladies have been getting older and older. I remember just 3 years ago, when Lucky's was still around in Rochester, the ladies were late 20's, early 30's, not late 40's to early 60's.[/QUOTE]I don't disagree with you or the guy who came in. But at this point, we know how NH is, and we know all the ads with 18 yo hot asian girls are BS. I just take what's there, and consider myself lucky if the provider is under 40!

Z.

[QUOTE=Lennox65;5918702]I think that your first problem is that you are going to a wh0 re h0 use and expecting luxury spa level service.

When I go to Dover I skip the massage and get right to the main event.[/QUOTE]I only go there to make a deposit.

The place is nothing special at all. No walls to ceiling. Paper covers on 2 X4 tables with plywood tops.

I've been tipping $30. $40 if it's truly exceptional, $50 if it's out of this world. Massage itself is $90.

Provider today was disappointed in the tip, said $50 is usual tip for 90 minutes massage. I kept it at $30 and walked out.

I agree $40 or $50 is typical at a place with an LMT that is using true massage tables and cloth sheets changed every time. That ain't this place.

Am I being cheap?

Z.

[QUOTE=Zimmm33;5938894]The place is nothing special at all. No walls to ceiling. Paper covers on 2 X4 tables with plywood tops.

I've been tipping $30. $40 if it's truly exceptional, $50 if it's out of this world. Massage itself is $90.

Provider today was disappointed in the tip, said $50 is usual tip for 90 minutes massage. I kept it at $30 and walked out.

I agree $40 or $50 is typical at a place with an LMT that is using true massage tables and cloth sheets changed every time. That ain't this place.

Am I being cheap?

Z.[/QUOTE]These are my standards but I only get 60 minute massages. $40 for standard release, $60 for the top coming off, $80 for complete naked and $100 to $120 for FS. If she is a smoke show or does something special then I might tip a little more. Everyone has different opinions but that's my 2 cents.

But thanks anyway.

[QUOTE=ArchersTarget;5939124]These are my standards but I only get 60 minute massages. $40 for standard release, $60 for the top coming off, $80 for complete naked and $100 to $120 for FS. If she is a smoke show or does something special then I might tip a little more. Everyone has different opinions but that's my 2 cents.[/QUOTE]

I know that this is more of a question than a report, but I wonder if there are still bars where a guy can go and meet local women. I know that most of the posts on this website are to help mongers to find a "sure thing" and there is nothing wrong with that! As an older guy I enjoy "the hunt" almost as much as the prize. I'm not looking for college girls and they are not looking for me, but a middle aged bar fly, maybe one who's recently been through a divorce and is in the mood for angry retribution sex, that can be convinced with a drink to come back to my room for a romp is what I want.

Any suggestions in NH are appreciated. My work takes me all over the state, but I still have not found what I'm looking for.

Always amused when you ask a new girl at a place that is sometimes legit and sometimes not, "Do you touch?" pointing at junior. Then, they give this shocked expression, like why are you asking me that? (Maybe because you just massaged my ass for 15 minutes before the flip? Most say, "No touch, you want oil?" Usually I do not partake in DIY, but a few times I just had to pop. This latest time, I am stroking away, and she is using her left hand on my perineum and her right hand on my abdomen just above my cock, moving in the same motion I am stroking. I finally come, and she comes back with a warm wet towel and takes a full minute cleaning up every nook and cranny of my privates. Very nice, but given all that cock cleaning and the use of her hands during DIY, is there really that much of a fine line between touch and no touch? If she had just taken a couple minutes to stroke it, she would have had a MUCH better tip. Over the last several years, this almost exact scenario has played out a half dozen times. And after I give the non-HJ tip I just shake my head as I walk out. Noting the gal's name so I don't get her again. Z.

Long time ago I met a gal from Hollis, NH on the internet through the alt dot com site. Blah, blah blah. After our first meeting I became her boy-toy fuck partner. We saw each other every weekend for years and our meetings consisted pretty much of fucking each other in as many ways as possible. She was very curious in exploring her sexual limits. One weekend while visiting at her house she had a cookout for me and invited her friend she wanted to show me off to. My friend was in her mid fifties and I was 30 (I still looked 20) and she was proud to find a young buck to show off to her friend. At first I thought it was a little awkward because I thought the visiting friend was cutting into our fucking around time. After a few burgers and the evening begining to start, we sat in the back yard on a hot summer early evening. We were sipping lemonade with ice spiked with Jack Daniels. As the mosquitos starting to come out we moved indoors. She did most of the talking hashing over how we met and how great things have been since. Her friend was divorced 2 years ago and hadn't dated since. With a few more drinks my friend started to talk about how good her sex life has been lately and bragged about how hard I get when excited. Things started to heat up with conversation with my friend saying her friend should see how hard I get. It wasn't long before the girls had their shirts off and my friend asking me to take off my pants. My friend Lill wanted to show her friend Ginny my erection. Lill gave my a handjob in front of Ginny. That's when Lill suggested Ginny should watch me and Lill fuck. Lill gave Ginny a dildo and invited her to masturbate while Lill and I fucked. After a little while, Lill turned to her friend and said maybe she shouldn't be the only one to have all the fun and offered Ginny to touch to feel how hard I was. I stood in the livingroom in front of Ginny and she shyly touched my erection, holding me between her index finger and thumb she squeezed sightly and a droplet of cum formed at the tip of my cock and to my surprise Ginny quickly darted her pointed tongue and licked away my precum. I was blown away when Lill didn't even flinch. I looked to Lill when Ginny started to take the head of my cock into her mouth and started sucking me off. At first I felt extremely awkward. I looked at Lill while Ginny bobbed her head up and down my shaft and Lill just admired saying that it looked like it felt so good. Lill just stared at my erection getting full attention of Ginny. Then Lill asked Ginny when the last time she had sex. She said six months. Somehow we all moved to the bedroom and Ginny slipped off her cut-off shorts to reveal she was wearing a matching red satin panties. In the bedroom Ginny slipped off her panties and laid face up at the edge of the bed. Lill stood behind me stroking my cock then leading me forward to Ginny pointing the head of my cock at Ginny's pussy. With one hand on my cock, directing me between Ginny's pussy lips, Lill's other hand was on my ass pushing my hips forward. I was balls deep fucking Ginny and Lill's head was over my shoulder watching my entire shaft go into her friend. The Lill starts talking to Ginny boasting about how good my cock must feel. Ginny admitted that Lill was a lucky *****. Then Lill demanded that she wanted fucked next and laid next to Ginny. I moved over and Lill dropped her legs on either side of my neck. I fucked Lill till she had an orgasm. Then she wanted Ginny to feel how hard I get just before orgasm. Ginny was not on birth control and made it clear I couldn't cum inside. I moved back over to Ginny's pussy and pumped in and out till I was going to pop. At last second I pulled out and blew my load on Ginny's landing strip Bush. After my last stream of cum squirted from the tip of my cock, Lill quickly sucked the last drops out, then she licked the cum off Ginny's pussy hair. Afterwards, Lill admitted that she in her entire life never had any girl / girl experiences. I was a huge turn on to see Lill take one long lick up Ginny's pussy lips. An hour later both girls worked at getting me hard again so the Lill could get me to cum inside her. That was one awesome night.

Any chance this is all just story writing or this was an actual visit with your friend "Lillian" whom we've never got a chance to verify. Been waiting on a reply about her for a year now. LOL.

[QUOTE=LGreen;6181740]Long time ago I met a gal from Hollis, NH on the internet through the alt dot com site. Blah, blah blah. After our first meeting I became her boy-toy fuck partner. We saw each other every weekend for years and our meetings consisted pretty much of fucking each other in as many ways as possible. She was very curious in exploring her sexual limits. One weekend while visiting at her house she had a cookout for me and invited her friend she wanted to show me off to. My friend was in her mid fifties and I was 30 (I still looked 20) and she was proud to find a young buck to show off to her friend. At first I thought it was a little awkward because I thought the visiting friend was cutting into our fucking around time. After a few burgers and the evening begining to start, we sat in the back yard on a hot summer early evening. We were sipping lemonade with ice spiked with Jack Daniels. As the mosquitos starting to come out we moved indoors. She did most of the talking hashing over how we met and how great things have been since. Her friend was divorced 2 years ago and hadn't dated since. With a few more drinks my friend started to talk about how good her sex life has been lately and bragged about how hard I get when excited. Things started to heat up with conversation with my friend saying her friend should see how hard I get. It wasn't long before the girls had their shirts off and my friend asking me to take off my pants. My friend Lill wanted to show her friend Ginny my erection. Lill gave my a handjob in front of Ginny. That's when Lill suggested Ginny should watch me and Lill fuck. Lill gave Ginny a dildo and invited her to masturbate while Lill and I fucked. After a little while, Lill turned to her friend and said maybe she shouldn't be the only one to have all the fun and offered Ginny to touch to feel how hard I was. I stood in the livingroom in front of Ginny and she shyly touched my erection, holding me between her index finger and thumb she squeezed sightly and a droplet of cum formed at the tip of my cock and to my surprise Ginny quickly darted her pointed tongue and licked away my precum. I was blown away when Lill didn't even flinch..[/QUOTE]

Before and during the pandemic, was paying $80 with no haggling at places that offered them. (Even got a couple BBBJ at $80).

Last couple times, providers wanted $120, and we settled on $100. Is $100 the new normal for CBJ in NH at the moment?

Z.

[QUOTE=Zimmm33;6197725]Before and during the pandemic, was paying $80 with no haggling at places that offered them. (Even got a couple BBBJ at $80).

Last couple times, providers wanted $120, and we settled on $100. Is $100 the new normal for CBJ in NH at the moment?

Z.[/QUOTE]My most recent visits (within the last 4 months) were $100.00 for BBBJ with partial clothes off from two different older, potato shaped women at 4th st D0 ver, and $120.00 for nude 69 with CBJ from Jennifer (now gone back to NY) at Lavander in Methuen.

Both, I thought, were good values.

[blue][Commercial Message deleted by Admin][/blue]

This has happened before, but not for every post. However, it seems that when I click on ANY link from STG, I'm getting the whole page rather than the ad for the provider. Is anyone else experiencing this? Hopefully, it will go back to normal.

CH.

[QUOTE=ColaHunter;6289126]This has happened before, but not for every post. However, it seems that when I click on ANY link from STG, I'm getting the whole page rather than the ad for the provider. Is anyone else experiencing this? Hopefully, it will go back to normal.

CH.[/QUOTE]STG recently changed their website within the last 2 or 3 weeks changed their website so links before the change now take you to the full page.

In visiting several AMPs in NH, MA and ME I have been told that airfare has come down from a high of 5 or 6 k for round trip to Beijing over the last 3 or 4 years to around 1500/1600 currently, many girls have not traveled home over the last few years due to the virus and cost. With the virus seemingly under control and airfare down, I have been told that many girls will be going home from Jan until first week of March and some shops even closing for a cpl of months. Again, this is just what I'm being told by some of my ATF's, so make sure you get your fill in December as it may be slim pickings for a few months.

As always be safe out there.

AMP.

Thanks for the heads up. I know VERY little about immigration, but aren't a bunch of these women here on expired visas (work visas) so they cannot return even if they wanted to?

Z.

[QUOTE=Amppro95;6651646]In visiting several AMPs in NH, MA and ME I have been told that airfare has come down from a high of 5 or 6 k for round trip to Beijing over the last 3 or 4 years to around 1500/1600 currently, many girls have not traveled home over the last few years due to the virus and cost. With the virus seemingly under control and airfare down, I have been told that many girls will be going home from Jan until first week of March and some shops even closing for a cpl of months. Again, this is just what I'm being told by some of my ATF's, so make sure you get your fill in December as it may be slim pickings for a few months.

As always be safe out there.

AMP.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Zimmm33;6652892]Thanks for the heads up. I know VERY little about immigration, but aren't a bunch of these women here on expired visas (work visas) so they cannot return even if they wanted to?

Z.[/QUOTE]Some are. Some have green cards and can come and go as they please.

[QUOTE=Amppro95;6651646]In visiting several AMPs in NH, MA and ME I have been told that airfare has come down from a high of 5 or 6 k for round trip to Beijing over the last 3 or 4 years to around 1500/1600 currently, many girls have not traveled home over the last few years due to the virus and cost. With the virus seemingly under control and airfare down, I have been told that many girls will be going home from Jan until first week of March and some shops even closing for a cpl of months. Again, this is just what I'm being told by some of my ATF's, so make sure you get your fill in December as it may be slim pickings for a few months.

As always be safe out there.

AMP.[/QUOTE]Good to know. Thank you for sharing this. Looks like I need to spend my holiday bonus early (LOL).

[QUOTE=Amppro95;6651646]In visiting several AMPs in NH, MA and ME I have been told that airfare has come down from a high of 5 or 6 k for round trip to Beijing over the last 3 or 4 years to around 1500/1600 currently, many girls have not traveled home over the last few years due to the virus and cost. With the virus seemingly under control and airfare down, I have been told that many girls will be going home from Jan until first week of March and some shops even closing for a cpl of months. Again, this is just what I'm being told by some of my ATF's, so make sure you get your fill in December as it may be slim pickings for a few months.

As always be safe out there.

AMP.[/QUOTE]Thanks for sharing! I will have to check with my ATFs as well.

'Tis the season when I stop visiting a variety of AMPs because they have historically refused to keep the thermostat at a reasonable temperature for late Fall / Winter / early spring. So, instead of spending my $60 or $70 at your place a couple of times per month, I am staying with the places that keep it reasonably warm. You cheapskate owners who keep the place in the lower 60's, you are losing out on my $120 to $140 per month as well as all the other guys who don't want their nuts frozen off. So, potentially, say there are just THREE other guys like me, that's $480 to $560 monthly. Seems to me, that MIGHT just pay the extra heating cost to keep the rooms 68 to 70 degrees.

Yeah fellow mongers, I know this isn't going to do dick squat, but it makes me feel a lot better.

Z.

P.S. BTW owners, cranking the heat for a customer upon arrival does nothing for that customer. Maybe the next guy will luck out, but if all the furniture, sheets, and towels are low sixties, nothing is going to be warm at the end of an hour visit.

PPS It might also make sense to TRAIN the girls on the proper way to run the heat. One girl last week was trying to make it warmer using the AC thermostat.

Been seeing a provider for about 4 months, sometimes twice a week. She's a sweetheart. Just wish she spoke english a little better, as using the translate app gets old.

Anyway, I had pretty major surgery early April and was unable to see her for 3 plus weeks until the other day. At start of session I explained what had been going on. She expressed concern, but I assured her I was going to have 100% recovery with no lingering issues.

So, massage ends, and I am just about to ask for the translate app again, when she grabs it herself and shows me a message to the effect of, "I want to help you since you have missed work. Please no tip today and please take this money to help you. " She hands me $200 in cash. (Yes, I am serious).

I think at first I am not going to take this, but the reason I was going to ask for the app in the first place was to say I need to replenish my hobby money before I would be back. 2-3 weeks. So, I told her via the app that I WOULD take the money, but I was just going to be back the next couple of weeks to spend it on HER.

She smiled and hugged me, and I hugged her back.

I just needed to post this because some guys on here are really brutal in their attitude toward providers. Just remember, it's NOT all of them.

Z.

Went twice to a place this week because my back and neck have really been bothering me. Upon entering each time, one woman in her mid-30's and another in mid-50's waiting at the desk.

First visit this week, I got a big smile and flirty eyes from the younger one, but I'd had a massage with the older one before and knew she was really good, so I picked her. Younger girl did not have much reaction.

Second visit I had already called ahead and asked for the older one. As I entered, the younger girl was shooting me daggers of death with her eyes. I gave each woman a warm hello individually, and the second girl half rolled her eyes. I chuckled to myself and when I left I made it a point to leave my very generous tip on the counter within sight of the younger gal. Got the daggers again, but left with a much better back and neck.

So hilarious. I guess that younger girl isn't used to losing out.

Z.

I have never taken the 90 min massage option but was wondering what the tip should be if in general you are paying 60 house then 160 tip for BJ, DATY, CFS. But if you do 90 min, start off with the fun, get a massage then go back for round two of more fun?

Thanks,

AMP.

So yesterday I go for my usual massage then afterwards I'm hanging out with one of the girls and the mamasan who has 3 local shops, the mamasan was telling me that her shops have not been this slow in 10 years that she has had them and that she is getting nervous, that her rent and expenses are $10,000 a month for the 3 shops and that she didn't make that in December or January. I said, you advertise on STG, why not put in your ads that you are temporarily rolling back your House fee's to 50/30. This concept blew her mind. " I can not do that. Then guys think they can pay that all the time. " I assured her that she could do that and when business is very good again, increase her prices. It was almost like I insulted her. I asked, isn't it better to get 50 twelve times a day then to get 60 twice? She said she would think about it but very unsure. Seem's like a an easy concept to me.

[QUOTE=Amppro95;7196348]So yesterday I go for my usual massage then afterwards I'm hanging out with one of the girls and the mamasan who has 3 local shops, the mamasan was telling me that her shops have not been this slow in 10 years that she has had them and that she is getting nervous, that her rent and expenses are $10,000 a month for the 3 shops and that she didn't make that in December or January. I said, you advertise on STG, why not put in your ads that you are temporarily rolling back your House fee's to 50/30. This concept blew her mind. " I can not do that. Then guys think they can pay that all the time. " I assured her that she could do that and when business is very good again, increase her prices. It was almost like I insulted her. I asked, isn't it better to get 50 twelve times a day then to get 60 twice? She said she would think about it but very unsure. Seem's like a an easy concept to me.[/QUOTE]For me a lower house fee wouldn't make me visit more. A lower tip and less haggling would. I'll give more if they don't haggle or pretend to be offended if I say no to the ridiculous amount they ask for. That and not actually having decent looking non grannies who know how to give a massage is why I visit so few places.

[QUOTE=Amppro95;7196348]So yesterday I go for my usual massage then afterwards I'm hanging out with one of the girls and the mamasan who has 3 local shops, the mamasan was telling me that her shops have not been this slow in 10 years that she has had them and that she is getting nervous, that her rent and expenses are $10,000 a month for the 3 shops and that she didn't make that in December or January. I said, you advertise on STG, why not put in your ads that you are temporarily rolling back your House fee's to 50/30. This concept blew her mind. " I can not do that. Then guys think they can pay that all the time. " I assured her that she could do that and when business is very good again, increase her prices. It was almost like I insulted her. I asked, isn't it better to get 50 twelve times a day then to get 60 twice? She said she would think about it but very unsure. Seem's like a an easy concept to me.[/QUOTE]

To me, this goes right along with the mentality to leave the rooms freezing all winter. I know I am harping on this all the time, but for me, not shivering through an appointment is REALLY important. I've reached the point where I don't even TRY new places from Nov to April because I am worried about freezing. I just go to the tried and true that have a warm room. I agree with your suggestion 100%. GET CUSTOMERS IN THE DOOR. DUH! I guess the thriftiness must be a cultural thing. Whereas Americans are always looking for a bargain. I rarely visit places that are charging $70 for the hour. Lower it to fifty bucks with a warm room...you are my new go-to place. Z.

[QUOTE=Amppro95;7196348]So yesterday I go for my usual massage then afterwards I'm hanging out with one of the girls and the mamasan who has 3 local shops, the mamasan was telling me that her shops have not been this slow in 10 years that she has had them and that she is getting nervous, that her rent and expenses are $10,000 a month for the 3 shops and that she didn't make that in December or January. I said, you advertise on STG, why not put in your ads that you are temporarily rolling back your House fee's to 50/30. This concept blew her mind. " I can not do that. Then guys think they can pay that all the time. " I assured her that she could do that and when business is very good again, increase her prices. It was almost like I insulted her. I asked, isn't it better to get 50 twelve times a day then to get 60 twice? She said she would think about it but very unsure. Seem's like a an easy concept to me.[/QUOTE]One way to explain it to your mamasan friend is that it's like a store putting something on sale. Customers know what it means and will not think it's going to last forever. Put up a sign that says something like "To thank our customers for their business we are temporarily lowering our rates to (whatever)" Maybe even put a date on there when it will end. This can always be extended if business hasn't quite picked up to where she's comfortable. She will need to resist the temptation to start cutting corners by shorting time or not changing / cleaning linens or (as Zimmm33 mentioned) lowering the heat.

I recall BVR in Sutton lowering rates several years ago and it worked. They had it clearly posted in the lobby and in the rooms that it was temporary. They maintained good service and reasonable tips during the sale. At the time I was going there every week and Yuyu / Kay even waived the house fee for me a few times (I still tipped of course) to thank me for being a loyal customer.

[QUOTE=SolitaryMan603;7196853]For me a lower house fee wouldn't make me visit more. A lower tip and less haggling would. I'll give more if they don't haggle or pretend to be offended if I say no to the ridiculous amount they ask for. That and not actually having decent looking non grannies who know how to give a massage is why I visit so few places.[/QUOTE]I agree with this. I don't try new places as often as I used to because instead of enjoying the massage and looking forward to the flip, I find myself wondering how the negotiation is going to unfold when I turn over. On top of that the quality has declined. I am not even talking about BJ instead of HJ. I'm talking about a good massage and HJ with good technique instead of a jackhammer (you come you come!) and the buzzkill of mid session negotiating. It used to be that almost every girl at a parlor could give a decent massage and gave full time. That's not the case now. They just poke and push, try to jackhammer on the flip, and rush your time so an hour is 45 minutes or less. Combine this with the rising house fees and tips and, well, at a certain point it becomes not worth it. A lower tip, less haggling, and better service would make me visit a place more often.

Many businesses rely on repeat customers and the AMPs are no exception. If you go to a restaurant and the food isn't very good, it's overpriced, the waitress has a bad attitude, and before she brings your food she starts negotiating the tip and wants it now, Are you going to go back there?

[QUOTE=JackADogov;7197439]One way to explain it to your mamasan friend is that it's like a store putting something on sale. Customers know what it means and will not think it's going to last forever. Put up a sign that says something like "To thank our customers for their business we are temporarily lowering our rates to (whatever)" Maybe even put a date on there when it will end. This can always be extended if business hasn't quite picked up to where she's comfortable. She will need to resist the temptation to start cutting corners by shorting time or not changing / cleaning linens or (as Zimmm33 mentioned) lowering the heat.

I recall BVR in Sutton lowering rates several years ago and it worked. They had it clearly posted in the lobby and in the rooms that it was temporary. They maintained good service and reasonable tips during the sale. At the time I was going there every week and Yuyu / Kay even waived the house fee for me a few times (I still tipped of course) to thank me for being a loyal customer.

I agree with this. I don't try new places as often as I used to because instead of enjoying the massage and looking forward to the flip, I find myself wondering how the negotiation is going to unfold when I turn over. On top of that the quality has declined. I am not even talking about BJ instead of HJ. I'm talking about a good massage and HJ with good technique instead of a jackhammer (you come you come!) and the buzzkill of mid session negotiating. It used to be that almost every girl at a parlor could give a decent massage and gave full time. That's not the case now. They just poke and push, try to jackhammer on the flip, and rush your time so an hour is 45 minutes or less. Combine this with the rising house fees and tips and, well, at a certain point it becomes not worth it. A lower tip, less haggling, and better service would make me visit a place more often.

Many businesses rely on repeat customers and the AMPs are no exception. If you go to a restaurant and the food isn't very good, it's overpriced, the waitress has a bad attitude, and before she brings your food she starts negotiating the tip and wants it now, Are you going to go back there?[/QUOTE]Went for my massage today and the mamasan did my massage so we were able to talk all through it. I brought up some of the ideas and she wasn't very receptive, she pretty much echoed some of the things said here, that most gentlemen will think she is cutting corners or service if lowering the price even temporarily. To zimmm33 point she told me that she keeps all her massage rooms at 74-76 all winter long, so that def isn't an issue. She doesn't get involved in the girls haggling, although I told her that was a major turn off and many guys just want the money discussed at the end, she said unfortunately, there are many cheap men who if a dollar amount isn't agreed upon that they will short change the girl. She says when a girl first starts with her she tells them not to talk about the tip and just accept it after and if the guy is cheap to let her know after and she will block him from coming back. Sounds like she is pretty hands off with the girls and lets them do whatever they are comfortable doing, service wise. She also told me that if customers complain to her that a girl puts in no effort or gives a bad massage that she lets her go and the opposite, if they are really good she tries to keep them for a year. I love this stuff and have always been fascinated with the backstory and how it all works, I wish that I could know it all.

Enjoy and be safe out there.

AMP.

That is the basic problem, and it is causing bad customer service.

I definitely understand not wanting to haggle mid-session, and I really hate those times when not only was the price agreed mid session, but a girl wanted me to get off the table and give her money immediately.

But I get why they do it, and the reason is too many cheap-ass m-fuckers.

Look at these boards. On any given day, a quarter of the posts are bitching about prices. A girl who provides services without negotiating first is going to end up with a $40 tip from a fat old man who will act like he did her a favor and she should be grateful. So, especially for services beyond the standard, there is almost always going to be a negotiation.

I would not do my job, and especially would not throw in extras for my customers, without a clear understanding in advance of what I will get paid. I don't just say, "Oh well, I will just do an amazing job and hope that the customer is so impressed I will be well paid!

So again, the problem is the existence of too many cheap-ass m-fuckers.

[QUOTE=HottieMaybe;7202226]That is the basic problem, and it is causing bad customer service.

I definitely understand not wanting to haggle mid-session, and I really hate those times when not only was the price agreed mid session, but a girl wanted me to get off the table and give her money immediately.

But I get why they do it, and the reason is too many cheap-ass m-fuckers.

Look at these boards. On any given day, a quarter of the posts are bitching about prices. A girl who provides services without negotiating first is going to end up with a $40 tip from a fat old man who will act like he did her a favor and she should be grateful. So, especially for services beyond the standard, there is almost always going to be a negotiation.

I would not do my job, and especially would not throw in extras for my customers, without a clear understanding in advance of what I will get paid. I don't just say, "Oh well, I will just do an amazing job and hope that the customer is so impressed I will be well paid!.[/QUOTE]I was thinking same thing last few weeks every place I go they want to know how much I'm going to tip before anything. It has never been this way I see 2 possibilities either the girls are getting stiffed, no pun intended or the girls are getting greedy. Where I go the massage parlors have doubled so more competition. No matter what you think 40,plus part of house fee is easiest tax free money these girls will ever make short of hitting lotto.

[QUOTE=Rydin;7202382]I was thinking same thing last few weeks every place I go they want to know how much I'm going to tip before anything. It has never been this way I see 2 possibilities either the girls are getting stiffed, no pun intended or the girls are getting greedy. Where I go the massage parlors have doubled so more competition. No matter what you think 40,plus part of house fee is easiest tax free money these girls will ever make short of hitting lotto.[/QUOTE]This is all solved if a MMS would introduce no tip at all. I spent some time around NYC in the fall and it was eye opening. $200-260 upfront for an hour with table shower and everything is available. And it really was everything. Not the version of "everything" we're used to in NH, MA or ME. Two girl is $400. No haggle, amazing service and happy times.

[QUOTE=Rydin;7202382]I was thinking same thing last few weeks every place I go they want to know how much I'm going to tip before anything. It has never been this way I see 2 possibilities either the girls are getting stiffed, no pun intended or the girls are getting greedy. Where I go the massage parlors have doubled so more competition. No matter what you think 40,plus part of house fee is easiest tax free money these girls will ever make short of hitting lotto.[/QUOTE]No, $40 is not "the easiest tax-free money" these girls can get. Particularly if guys are taking 60 minute blocks, which limits their ability to do more appointments.

And they don't get part of the house fee. Their income is generally 100% tips.

Guys being cheap is why negotiations are happening up-front for a standard handjob, which used to be expected and not require a negotiation. Some haggling was always required when there is a broader menu. But the reality is that too many guys don't pay the going rate unless forced to do so.

[QUOTE=MtnFunX;7202568]This is all solved if a MMS would introduce no tip at all. I spent some time around NYC in the fall and it was eye opening. $200-260 upfront for an hour with table shower and everything is available. And it really was everything. Not the version of "everything" we're used to in NH, MA or ME. Two girl is $400. No haggle, amazing service and happy times.[/QUOTE]That has legal implications for the owners, so I don't expect to see that in any place where there is not enough competition to require it.

[QUOTE=HottieMaybe;7209687]No, $40 is not "the easiest tax-free money" these girls can get. Particularly if guys are taking 60 minute blocks, which limits their ability to do more appointments.

And they don't get part of the house fee. Their income is generally 100% tips.

Guys being cheap is why negotiations are happening up-front for a standard handjob, which used to be expected and not require a negotiation. Some haggling was always required when there is a broader menu. But the reality is that too many guys don't pay the going rate unless forced to do so.[/QUOTE]Seems this will be a big surprise to many of you. The girls I know personally actually do file and pay taxes. They are here on work visas or have green cards.

[QUOTE=Sounds;7211481]Seems this will be a big surprise to many of you. The girls I know personally actually do file and pay taxes. They are here on work visas or have green cards.[/QUOTE]True, but what you fail to mention is that they only pay.

Bare minimum, not the cash tips only from house fee. They also get free healthcare.

[QUOTE=Sounds;7211481]Seems this will be a big surprise to many of you. The girls I know personally actually do file and pay taxes. They are here on work visas or have green cards.[/QUOTE]So if they file taxes and pay, but get more back in refund, it's still paying taxes? Smfh. Okay makes sense. Obviously you don't know as much as you think, yes some pay taxes, but majority do not pay shit to our government. They just take.

My birthday is coming up soon and I'm wondering if anyone knows any providers / places that do birthday specials anymore? I've had a few in the past offer something like a discounted or longer session. I've had two different AMPs waive the house fee (still had to tip) also. In all cases I had to show my license to prove it was my birthday. (Showed it in person and I covered everything except picture and birth date.) Some places would advertise it but I don't see that anymore. Any leads would be appreciated. Post or PM is fine.

For the last month, at one of my usual places for legit massage, they have had a masseuse who is so tired she has literally fallen asleep standing up at every massage I have had with her. (Four plus).

Besides this "issue" she is kinda adorable and very very funny, so I keep asking for her knowing that most girls there changeover after 4 weeks or so anyway. Sure enough, last Friday she informed me this coming week is her last.

In the past I have had girls look really really tired, but none actually fall asleep like this one. Maybe she really does have narcolepsy. If yes, then I can't see her surviving in this career for long.

Not sure why I chose to write this. I guess I just find it kinda funny. Wish I could be a fly on the wall to see how many other customers this happens to.

Z.

Places were shut down.

[URL]https://www.wmur.com/article/new-hampshire-massage-businesses-closed-710/65365044[/URL]

Be careful out there.

[QUOTE=DaveTracman;7337440]Places were shut down.

[URL]https://www.wmur.com/article/new-hampshire-massage-businesses-closed-710/65365044[/URL]

Be careful out there.[/QUOTE]Its so strange to me, I have not been to any places that the woman seem pressured or forced to do anything they do not want to and especially none of them seem beaten. You would assume the woman would be much younger and prettier also if this was the case. I mean why bring in older out of shape woman if you are trafficking them and forcing them to make money for you.

It would seem to me that people just don't want the "extras" going on around their neighborhoods and are using certain terms to make sure they are closed down quickly.